Bastards!

Short and to the point, aren't we? :)

bloated. cunts is short and to the point.

Full of pith and vinegar.

Rick, that would seem to be your problem. You may want to pirate one of those "makes you a bigger man" programs, that might help you out with your lack of... size.

What's with the penis envy? Can't deny facts so you go for the strawman? Oh joy, trollmail.

No penis envy, just making a joke... apparently nobody here has a sense of humor (or at least the posting bots haven't been programmed to have one).

bobmail

only $3,10 this time based on word count.. have you considered a per post payment. Your serious lack of both vocabulary and grammar is becoming a serious handicap to your career

Have you taken a break from raping children to bug us again with your pointless ramblings little man?

have you taken to stopping more fbi agents from missing kids cases to protect a music tune lately...
maybe your peeking in yoru neighbors window typhoid cause your a sick pervert too....after all most peoples operating system is called windows right.....

maybe your just a reallly greedy sick weirdo....yea
sick indeed

You really need to put a little more effort into your insults. Your intended victim shouldn't be laughing while reading them. Keep working at it champ. I'm rooting for ya kid...In that "I hope you get skin cancer sort of way." Good luck with the luck killer.

You attack him because you cannot contradict a single sentence that Rick wrote.

It only shows the idiot you are.

we living now in a dystopia , already they spy everyone and everything ( see whats doing USA , see UK UE , China and more ) all of they want TOTAL CONTROL , brainwashed stupid people easy to manipulate , obedient slavers for corporations , this wolrd is fucked !

they did this with TV by brainwashing fake news reports to the masses but now they've lost control over the internet and want to get that back -_-

I hate these pigs!

Read this bros:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Also, USA and UK are worse than China. I live in China on and off, and although the internet censorship is heavy, it's mostly aimed at things I don't give a shit about like Tibet, and Xinjiang province, which needs to be ruled with an iron fist because: Muslims. China knows how to deal with Muslims which really helps to have a safe society.

It's hard to express in words because it's just a feeling, but I feel "freer" in my every day life in China.
In the UK in contrast I feel "constantly harassed".

Contrary to the extreme anti-China propaganda pumped out by the Western media, China is a chill place to live for a white person.

CHINA GOT DA MOST PIRATES SO YEAH IT DA BEST COUNTRY TO LIVE IN.

Quit trolling. Falun Gong is considered a bigger threat to China than all the jihadists in the world- because the jihadists have been targeting (wait for it), USA and UK (and friends).

Tibet. Has. No. Muslim. Community. They're Buddhists who got invaded by a militaristic China. It's as if USA took over the entire Caribbean.

At best, you are a herp derp. At worst, you advocate state violence against practitioners of religion in a country that enshrined freedom of religion in it's constitution (whether it takes it seriously or not is beside the point).

Get out of my sight.

I'm fairly sure if the chinese government can garner more sympathy for their occupation of tibet by claiming the place is full of muslims, then every publication in english will be sure to carry many pictures of bearded talibans running rampant across the himalayas...

Their photoshop jobs are getting better.

Looks like the NSA's PRISM was just the tip of the ice berg. This is big time big brother freaky shit.

Looks like a war between the intelligence agencies. Former CIA employee leaking NSA secrets but nothing about the CIA. So the CIA wasn't doing anything wrong? I doubt that. Just another theory.

and its amazing if you compare the cable news reports on snowden and other events how they portray the people verse if you listen to things like c2cam and other web based reporting. USA and the world (cos they local news uses the same news clips) are spoon fed what the gov want you to believe not reality. same with copyright pushers. they spoon fed wrong info and stats to the public and trying to back their schemes to erode peoples rights

The leaks aren't finished yet. We've only seen maybe a quarter of what Snowden has. That's why the politicians are so scared of him. They know what he knows, and they know that it's only a matter of time until we know it too. This rabbit hole goes deeper than you can imagine.

Media organisations and their money will control more and more of the world unless people take a stand. Act now rather than when it is too late!

Typical of governments everywhere.

The US just seems to end up on top of the pile of shit<sentence for="" speaking="" out="2yrs," 5="" yrs="" or="" 10="" yrs?="">

fffft disqus

2, 5 or 10 year sentence for speaking out?

If you used Disqus then you can edit out mistakes.

It also allows you to get a nice graphic icon like my one but better. LOL

It's like the MAFIAA is a collective with the hive mentality and unfortunately, they have schizophrenia. They're not accomplishing anything with their millions of relentless take-down notices, and the only thing their lawsuits achieve is alienating the very market they should be schmoozing, and draining tax payer's money with needless court costs. They surely can't be getting any of the insane amounts of money they're awarded. The lawsuits aren't changing anything, so what's their goal... simply to leave people homeless and dependent on their governments? The idiot politicians actually support this? Wait... never mind, of course they do, cause they're idiots and they get lots of money! I have a Schnauzer...wonder if they'd come in and take him too...

You can always choose not to pirate and risk lawsuits. They built a business model based on existing laws and your decision to violate these laws doesn't put you on a higher ground in the fight. Copyright or no, you can't expect something for nothing.

their business model simply doesn't work anymore, you cannot make digital items scarce, since they are available in unlimited supply

adapt or die

> "You can always choose not to pirate and risk lawsuits."

But then again, you suffer a greater risk of being struck by lightning, regardless of if you pirate or not.

> "They built a business model based on existing laws.."

No, they expanded their business model in the seventies to include selling a nicely packaged product that society had a demand for, a product that consumers couldn't easily manufacture themselves, and therefore felt had some economical value.

Those criteria no longer exists. The product is obsolete, it no longer holds any economic value. No economically sane person will pay anything for something that holds no economical value.

Please, take an economics course and you will learn this fact once and for all, and then maybe, just maybe, you can participate in a rational discussion about these topics.

> "..and your decision to violate these laws doesn't put you on a higher ground in the fight."

It most certainly does!

First of all, society has no proven need for regulation of non-profit use in the copyright monopoly, so that regulation should be there to begin with.

Secondly, no independent scientific evidence exist that corroborates the thesis that non-profit piracy constitutes any kind of problem to neither society, the economy, culture, the artists or the culture industry's current record revenues.

As such it is every citizens duty to disregard the copyright monopoly, to make sure that it doesn't damage society and deprives it of the infinite value copying creates one second longer than necessary, and doing that definitely puts you on a higher ground compared to the fascist demands of a weak failed industry that demands something that it shouldn't have in the first place.

> "Copyright or no, you can't expect something for nothing."

Well then it's a good thing that the culture industry and the artists currently makes more money than ever before, that copyright isn't needed, that pirates are the biggest spenders, and that piracy isn't a problem of any sort.

Was there anything else you needed cleared up in your end?

Btw, have you learned now since the other day what speech in free speech actually refers to? You seemed to believe it referred to the sound of a speaking voice earlier.. =)

So is this the most common posting name for UraPhake? Nice stuff.

No economically sane person will pay anything for something that holds no economical value.

You need to go back and re-read the 3D printing thread. Plenty of people in there willing to pay out the ass to make their own lego blocks, which have no economic value.

Your mistake is assuming that consumers act sanely. Clearly you didn't take all the classes, because you missed the key point that consumers are NOT rational.

Maybe you should take the economics courses first before you get all huffy.

lego bricks do have economical value
you can sell or trade them

try doing that with a song you downloaded from itunes

lego bricks do have economical valueyou can sell or trade them

If the other guy has the same 3D printer and the same files, and the same material cost, you cannot sell or trade them for anything more than cost, which is a business null.

For someone who doesn't have the 3D printer, unless you blocks are truly, truly unique, then they are better off buying a whole bag of them for less than your special one off brick would cost.

In the case that you have a truly unique product, you again face the reality that anyone else with the same printer can replicate your results. Thus, you still have no real extractable value.

Simply put, the value is mostly in your head, not in any real business sense.

I don't think your incoherent ramblings even deserve a reply.
I started this 10 cent per word as a joke, but then I (tried) to read what you posted...

Can Google translate interpret gibberish?

Can Google translate interpret gibberish?

it must, because I can read your worthless posts just fine. Are you Mary / Phake whatever troll name of the week?

of course you can still sell or trade them
most likely for much less than if you had a monopoly, but you can still sell and trade them
so it does have an economic value, albeit a small one.

as I said, try reselling a song you bought on itunes
since that is impossible, that song has no economic value whatsoever.

You are working hard today, with the discounts you have earned $1.12
You are a credit to the company and we are proud to have you as a colleague

Just for that statement Im going to get a 3 d printer and prints the fuck outta some lego bocks.

"You need to go back and re-read the 3D printing thread. Plenty of people in there willing to pay out the ass to make their own lego blocks, which have no economic value."

No you need to read it.

There's economic value in the ablitiy to make their own. That's what I and others would pay for.

"Your mistake is assuming that consumers act sanely. Clearly you didn't take all the classes, because you missed the key point that consumers are NOT rational."

Consumers are not rational, no. But they are also not idiots. Even you as a consumer will use certain arbitrary criteria to decide and make purchases based on your wants and needs.

In the case of piracy, the situation is clear and cut. DRM causes a pirate to lose perceived value in a product for example which leads to the pirated copy being vastly superior in their view.

"Maybe you should take the economics courses first before you get all huffy."

Maybe you should.

Unlimited supply makes anything worthless. Enough said.

Unlimited supply makes anything worthless.

it's why you would pass the class but fail in the real world, because there is no unlimited supply. Somewhere in the chain, there is always a limitation, always a reason why there isn't more... it's the nature of the game.

infinite reproduction only raises the issue of what limited thing you are trying to reproduce. All the torrent files and bits and bytes moving around are meaningless as sand if they do not represent something of value because of it's scarce nature. You are not pirating blank files, you are pirating scarce new movies, video games, and the like. Without the source material, your infinite replication is an endless series of blank copies.

In the case of piracy, the situation is clear and cut. DRM causes a pirate to lose perceived value in a product for example which leads to the pirated copy being vastly superior in their view.

Short term gain, long term pain. By failing to participate in the funding of this project, the pirate in turn makes it harder for the next project to occur. The transaction part that pays for the creation never happens, and thus the economic cycle is not complete.

Some try to make up for it by selling t-shirts and other stuff as a replacement for that lost income, but generally those things pretty much fail - especially when the low price knock off artists get in and kill the market (cheap knock off t-shirts are a prefect example).

So the reality is your unlimited supply comes only when you fulfill your part of the economic puzzle. Without it, you have nothing to replicate.

Cause meet effect. This is why the old marginal cost pricing system doesn't work in the modern economy. It's not the cost of replication that is a factor anymore.

If your correct then why is your opinion the minority... A serious minority of 1 percent maybe?

While you may be prolific, our accounting practices dictate that we can pay you $1,23 for this post.

While the word count is acceptable, we have serious doubts about the grammar.

As a company we sponsor verbal diarrhea and we expect our employees to conform to the company culture

Should you fail to observe this notice, the company reserves the right to commence disciplinary proceedings

"it's why you would pass the class but fail in the real world, because there is no unlimited supply. Somewhere in the chain, there is always a limitation, always a reason why there isn't more... it's the nature of the game."

I'd fail at life because I'm "wrong" in a binary question? Put the broom away because you're terrible at sweeping generalizations.

I fail however to see how supply is not unlimited.considering there is no limit to the amount of copies one can obtain and spread on the internet,

"issue of what limited thing you are trying to reproduce. All the torrent files and bits and bytes moving around are meaningless as sand if they do not represent something of value because of it's scarce nature. You are not pirating blank files, you are pirating scarce new movies, video games, and the like. Without the source material, your infinite replication is an endless series of blank copies."

So you're going to the point that they wouldn't make the movie/ game? Considering I already ave made the game/ movie the point is moot. They've made it thus the number of copies of it is now limited only by who it can reach on the internet.

"Short term gain, long term pain. By failing to participate in the funding of this project, the pirate in turn makes it harder for the next project to occur. The transaction part that pays for the creation never happens, and thus the economic cycle is not complete."

It is not for consumers find profit in creation. Tat is the creators job.

"Some try to make up for it by selling t-shirts and other stuff as a replacement for that lost income, but generally those things pretty much fail - especially when the low price knock off artists get in and kill the market (cheap knock off t-shirts are a prefect example)."

Not really. Japan makes an absolute killing in the anime industry, not off the show but off the fandom they can spawn off of said show.

Where I have provided an example of the opposite happening you can only cite a lack of examples as your example.

Lastly, T shirts are a horrible example of franchising.

"Cause meet effect. This is why the old marginal cost pricing system doesn't work in the modern economy. It's not the cost of replication that is a factor anymore."

Marginal pricing will always be relevant because it's how the economy actually works and in your case YOU'RE ARGUING FOR IT. Did you actually take an economics class? If you're saying marginal pricing isn't relevant you're saying profit is meaningless and we both know tat isn't the case. In any case, we've established yet again, you know nothing about economics and hurl the terminology like a spoiled child

Hollywood wants to maintain stupid high margins and ignore the fact their "costs" of reproduction hit zero in the virtual domain. But Hollywood wants to scream that there isn't money to be made there.

I fail however to see how supply is not unlimited.considering there is no limit to the amount of copies one can obtain and spread on the internet,

Again, all of your examples are specific to a given thing that you already have. You are not very good at considering the reality of things in general. Specific exceptional instances will always exist, but rules are not made by them.

Marginal pricing will always be relevant because it's how the economy actually works and in your case YOU'RE ARGUING FOR IT. Did you actually take an economics class?

Marginal pricing is defective on it's face when dealing with things which have high up front costs and low reproduction costs. Marginal pricing models generally work when the cost of reproduction represent the highest part of the cost of the product. When you start getting into things where the costs are almost all up front, marginal pricing fails because the price for a knock off of the original (or a copy) is so much lower, giving no simple way to recoup the up front costs.

it also brings up the simple failings of every argument about piracy. Marginal cost models assume that you are discussing only the costs of an additional unit AFTER all up front costs / sunk costs have been accounted for in an existing production run / selling cycle. When you start from zero, the marginal cost price of something (say a DVD or a book) is not the significant cost of producing that unit. If it cost you 1 million to make the thing and 1 cent to replicate it, you cannot sell it for slightly more than the marginal cost and expect to make your money back.

Remember too: markets are not infinite. For any given product, there is always a limit to the number of buyers. The market may replenish itself (food buyers get hungry again, example), but generally there are always limits on the demand side. So in bringing any product to market, you generally have to figure how many units you can produce and sell, and then roll your up front costs into whatever price you will have to charge in order to break even or be profitable. In the 1 million / 1 cent a copy example, if the market is for 1 million units, then your market price has to be at least $1.01 per unit to break even. The marginal cost of 1 cent and even selling it for 10 times your marginal cost would increase your required market size 10 fold, which in many cases is unlikely.

Movies are a good example. While you would say that the potential market is "the world", there is hard reality out there that says even the very best selling movies of all times so far rarely generate even 1 billion of income. Only a dozen or so movies have ever done that in our history. So even with such huge potential the market is still incredibly limited. The marginal cost to reproduce / duplicate a movie / digitally share it is effectively negligible. The infinite supply theory of marginal costs say that the movie should be free. But anyone with even a feeble brain can figure out that without income, the movie would not have been made. At that point, even the most feeble minded can agree that the marginal pricing model fails, because it is unable to allow for the concept of infinite distribution making the production of the product all but impossible.

So as a society, if we want to continue to have the nice things we enjoy such as the movies you all desperately pirate or the TV shows you can't wait 3 hours to see, we need to come up with business models that allow this to happen. The marginal pricing models just don't work in a way that makes this possible, so pointing at them and saying "see, it's FREE!" doesn't work out.

"Again, all of your examples are specific to a given thing that you already have. You are not very good at considering the reality of things in general. Specific exceptional instances will always exist, but rules are not made by them."

The costs of reproduction on the internet are zero. The cost of storing those reproductions is very near zero.

This is all I've argued and while informative your posts is largely lost on me since I already understand these concepts and they hold true. You just come to insane conclusions like "they'll stop making movies/TV". I'm still waiting.

... actually, the cost to make a film is rather low. Any Joe Shmoe with a camera can make one. Short films, from A Fistful of Rupees to Modern War Gear Solid to Mario Warfare are either self-funded, crowdfunded, and most importantly, cost far less to make than any TV pilot (which are notoriously low budget).

The cost of making music is near zero, apart from time. I've got MuseScore, I've got a mic, I can do nearly anything. Music is plentiful, and cheap.

While we are more than willing to pay for a nice shiny case we can show to friends, the average DL/er wouldn't pay for a digitial file that you can't show to friends.

Welcome to the digital world.

Your FIRST mistake is using the word "Piracy" to describe those who freely share information. Real "Pirates" don't share a damned thing. They loot, pillage, and SELL the booty,
You are not too good at coherent trolling are you.

Your mistake is assuming anyone gives a shit about what some little angry prick has to say about anything. Go back to your Foo Man Chu Market and peddle your bullshit to the peasants.

and your mistake was assuming anyone thinks your not some crazy fucking wing nut that has some issue with men .....i think your like bobmail and need actual treatment for your issues...

both of you are exhibiting the signs of psychosis. After all coming to a website you are not welcome at and on purpose trying to shove your anger and crazy thoughts at when the rest of us just laugh and go yup thta ones a nutter....is another sign of you need help.

GO get some ....and im not talking about your 2 inch dildo....

and i have a degree in business administration that makes me 50 times more qualified then you my crazy person dear......the second you and bob and fetty start trying to say its everyone else but us that crazy its time to start locking you nuts up....

We monitor our employees and while we have little interest in their sexuality, your rather pathetic, unconvincing attempt at a female persona is quite embarrassing.
Please do not do it again