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Jim Hadfield • 7 years ago

So many LIES, INACCURACIES, COMPLETE FABRICATIONS.... HOW can you publish such TRASH..!!!
The pipeline DOES NOT even come near Native property, and the so called "Sacred Sites and Burial grounds were moved years ago at the Sioux tribe's request and direction. If you check the facts, there is Already ANOTHER DAMN PIPELINE functioning right beside where the new one will be placed..!! The Water intake for the Natives has been moved MANY MILES downstream, closer to the road and railway bridges that the Oil is currently being transported across..!!... Again at the Native band's request..!!.. And then the pathetic protesters beg the public to bring them GASOLINE for their vehicles because they used up all their fuel running their vehicles to stay warm..!! Brainless and hypocritical idiots..!! The Damned Natives cant seem to get their own story straight, and simply want lots of publicity and attention, since they are all lazy and unemployed.!!! They managed to get the Veterans to come and support their protest, promising that there were accommodations and food, etc waiting to take care of them... And when they arrived, there was NOTHING but tents blowing in the wind and snow... and WHERE Was the protest leader, Wes Clark Jr..?? Holed up in a Ramada INN, snuggled up and warm, stuffing his face in the restaurant..!! I guess he pocketed the millions of $$ he raised with crowdfunding, instead of taking care of the pions he suckered into protesting..!!

They start a protest by trespassing on Private and Government property, burn and vandalize military vehicles and equipment, throw Molotov cocktails at police who are simply standing and not attacking anyone.... They damaged/destroyed a pubic bridge and roadway, now have left behind TONS of garbage and other crap from their encampment... WHO pays for all their nonsense..??

And now, all that is left is a small batch of non-local professional protesters, not the Sioux Natives at all.... What a Pathetic bunch of Morons and Mental Midgets..!!! And we patronize and encourage them... GET A LIFE, FOLKS..!!

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

I would really like to know, with so many inaccuracies in this article having been repeatedly pointed out, with evidence provided, it has not been updated. This really damages your credibility.

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

There are a number of things that are inaccurate in this article and it really disappoints me that Bill Moyers imprimatur is on this. First of all Snopes has debunked the myth that the pipeline was re-routed from Bismarck due to concerns about the water supply. That was a very early proposal, and was rejected by the Army Corps of Engineers for a number of reasons, of which only one, and not the most important one, was the Bismarck water supply. #2 The pipeline does not threaten the Standing Rock water supply in any significant way because, unbeknownst to most people who are all in to this protest, the Tribe owns a brand new water processing facility, that just went on line, and whose intake valve is 70 miles from the pipeline. http://www.reuters.com/arti...

I am a strong Liberal and always have been. But the degree of misinformation that is being spread around about this situation is shocking. We have no leg to stand on in arguing that the Right is a gullible bunch of fools who don't factcheck, when this thing has turned into a complete circus based on so many inaccurate points of information. The land is not part of the reservation. Archaeologists employed with the State of North Dakota scoured the land and found no human remains. The Tribe says it is sacred for other reasons, that I frankly, do not understand because as a secularist, I think the idea that any land is sacred is ridiculous. But we have to draw the line around what is and is not a burial place, and I think that having human remains buried there is a pretty good definition.

J.Y. Paulos • 7 years ago

I would really like an objective, fact-based, report on what, if anything, the Executive Branch can or should do to help resolve the situation. Everyone seems to be demanding that Obama do something. What can he do, legally, within his Constitutional powers? Everyone is also up in arms about the USACE eviction. Is it an eviction or a proposal to move the protesters to a safer place? Couldn't the USACE have negotiated this better?

Guest • 7 years ago
Veritasortruth • 7 years ago

The MSM has done a terrible job of reporting on this Pipeline Fiasco. The Pipeline Company went through all the proper procedures and got all the required permits before this project was started. The Pipeline is NOT on Indian Land as has been falsely reported by many media outlets. There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines across the country safely transporting natural gas, crude oil, refined oil, gasoline and other materials. This pipeline is no different.
I'm old enough to remember the protest against the Alaska Pipeline. Many environmentalists insisted that the Alaska Pipeline would destroy the environment. It didn't and these people were completely wrong. Add to that the new pipeline technology is EXTREMELY safe and reliable. Many technical improvement have been made since the Alaska Pipeline was constructed. Pipelines are far in away the safest way to transport oil. Look at the recent disasters which have occurred when trains transporting oil have had derailments and destroyed property and killed people.
This "so called" protest is a joke. This pipeline needs to be completed.

nickgen • 7 years ago

Actually the mainstream media national news is NOT covering this much at all after all these months we see almost NOTHING on NBC< CBS OR ABC news- I ask WHY NOT? and where is their investigative reporting?

BatLady • 7 years ago

There are huge gaps in factual information from the Standing Rock Tribe. None of the mainstream media want to be seen on the UNemotional side of this conflict.

nickgen • 7 years ago

Nor do they wan to do any REAL investigative journalism. The truths might show there never was a treaty selling this land. That 99 percent of ALL treaties ever were broken and continue to be.

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

"Truths"? And here I thought there was only one.

Yes, most treaties have been broken. That sucks. But stopping this pipeline for irrational reasons is not going to make up for that.

gltoffic • 7 years ago

And yet another "in depth" news account that somehow fails to mention the Northern Borders pipeline that is ALREADY there. For 34 years, since 1982, a 43 inch in diameter, 2,400 million (MMcf/d) pipeline has already been there. Yes in the same 41 mile long, 150 foot wide right of way that Dakota Access is to use already has a very large and very USED pipeline already there. And again the "in depth" reporting here fails to mention that the EXISTING pipeline had the 100% backing of the Standing Rock tribe. The story here is again just what sort of news gathering bubble do we all seem to be again being subject to.

Guest • 7 years ago
gltoffic • 7 years ago

It is my understanding, and I could be wrong, but the DAP is planned to follow the same Right of Way for the 41 miles west of the Missouri River through the disputed area as the Northern Border. I am not suggesting switching gas for oil in the Northern Border. I am suggesting that if indeed the tribe approved the right of way for the Northern Border in 1982 it should have no problem using the same path again. It seems to me that the spirits of the ancestors would not much care if it is gas or oil.

While pipelines do not have a 100% safety record their safety record as opposed to the three alternaties, ie rail car, truck tanker or river barge, is by far the best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Which brings me to your final comment. I honestly was opposed to the currently proposed path of the DAP until discovery of the Northern Border. However as events have unfolded I have found certain things keep coming back to this confrontation.

The vast majority of non tribal support for opposing the current path has nothing much to do with the path itself as much as the fact if is being by oil companies to transport oil anywhere. ANYWHERE.

And yet, ironically when I see the wide shot views of the hundreds gathering in the area to protest all I see is a sea of very heavy, full sized pickups. Gas guzzlers the lot. Not a lot of chartered tour buses. Not a sea of Prius or Smart Cars. Full sized pickups. To protest big oil.

DIsclaimer on my part: I have not owned a personal vehicle now for 34 years. My part.

Wind and solar do have their advantages. And some pretty destructive issues with plant and wildlife. To say nothing of storage and cost. Long term it is in the mix. But shutting of all other forms today is not the answer.

Which brings us back full circle to the crucial truth. I believe that in good faith the planned current and approved route of the DAP is the best alternative. I also believe that the vast majority of people, both tribal an not, are using this confrontation to further agendas way beyond the actual path of the pipeline.

I also will agree that the DAP forces have used some unbelievably poorly thought out strategies and miscommunication in their pursuit of a settlement. This does not, however, negate my view that the current path is the best alternative.

Steve Baker • 7 years ago

I'd like to hear about pipelines already in the ground and working. What is their operational record ? What was their construction record? Is the DAPL using the same ROW ? Let us see unbiased reporting on the "whole story" with a bit less emotion.

gltoffic • 7 years ago

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corp site. A reputable international news organization.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/busi...

The web site of the Northern Border pipeline and links to its history.

http://www.northernborder.com/

Further information.

http://thehill.com/blogs/co...

Randy Breeser • 7 years ago

I suspect that if this was about white ranchers right to graze their cattle on our public lands for free, these conservatives would be all over BLM with assault rifles and roadblocks.

Christine Adams • 7 years ago

Racist.

Randy Breeser • 7 years ago

You want to explain to me why it is racist to state facts referring to actual events that demonstrate double standard racist policies. Do you honestly believe that any non-white groups would have been allowed to get away with an armed standoff for months because they thought they had a right to profit by not paying what they owed?

Christliche • 7 years ago

Avoid hype, seek truth.
http://standingrockfactchec...

Wade Branstner • 7 years ago

This fact checker is full of crap. The whole wide world with half a brain already knows about the "private land" argument. Nobody, NOBODY who is important in this dispute pretends otherwise. The "private" land is protected by treaty meant to safeguard Sioux and other Natives in the cases where important lands were not ceded but still confiscated but continue to have major importance to the well being of the tribe. Grow up and read something that wasn't packaged for your comfort and ease.

Emily Sinclair Montague • 7 years ago

Your "fact checker" is completely sponsored by a pro-oil interest group. They have plenty of "hype" on their own page.

atsf1920 • 7 years ago

The crucial question is not, Who sponsored the site? but rather, Is the information true and accurate? The same questions should be asked of information put out by the "water protectors." Not, Who sponsors the information? but, Is the information true and accurate? Tainting by association is a classic fallacy in logic.

f boyd • 7 years ago

How many of us ever sat in during the North Dakota Public Service Commission hearings held in various places in North Dakota for the DAPL permitting process?

How many of you are aware it was reported that a elderly member of the Standing Rock tribe died of hypothermia in his home in 2014 due in part to a lack of affordable propane fuel to heat his home and that other members were also suffering from the same lack of fuel?

How many of us can ponder what "might have been" if not for the development of the North Dakota Bakken oilfield in 2008-2014 what with the United States' dependence on foreign oil and deepening trade deficit?
How many of us really do not appreciate cheaper fuel prices and more disposable income or would much rather expend $5.00 per gallon of gasoline? DAPL protesters main slogan these days is "Water is Life - Oil is Death", well, try to live just one day with out the use of fossil fuels. This is something I personally would like to observe as Earthjustice' board of directors try to jet-set around the globe living in plush parts of the US and "wintering in the Keys"!

It is claimed that DAPL is desecrating sacred grounds. DAPL is paralleling Northern Pipeline, a natural gas transmission pipe line which was installed in 1982. I believe the US government was monitoring cultural sites back then and would not have allowed it to desecrate sacred Native American lands back then! Please remember that when the protesters purport to have been attacked, the pipe line workers were legally doing their work upon privately owned land of which the landowner granted and easement for construction of the pipe line and the protesters trespassed on the land towards the workers approximately one-half mile from public roads!

If one is to agree that these privately owned lands and the adjoining Bureau of Land Management land (for that matter, from sea to sea) are still in fact Native American lands, well, we of European heritage had better deed over all of the privately held property to the tribe nearest oneself, shut-off the electronic device by which one is reading this and any other media, stop using any and all fossil fuels, and go chop some wood and draw some water from the nearest river! Pay no mind to the bacteria which may be present in the water, remember the survival of the fittest will weed out the weaker ones!

Ms Ablow, please try to be a true journalist, by personally visiting with all parties involved and then reporting both sides of an issue. Of course for you to do so, you would probably need to utilize some petroleum products! Good luck on getting your horse hitched up to you buggy!

Railcar79 • 7 years ago

i sat in on those meetings. I know what itt akes to construct any utility in ND. the process takes years, call the SHPO office and ask to see the report on DAPL....you will see it was surveyed in detail, and there is no burial sites.

violinsensei • 7 years ago

Have you ever stood on the northern plains on a cold snowy night. There is enough unused wind power in ND to run the entire Northern Region. Every residence in ND should be wind and solar sustainable. If Germany can do nearly 80% so can we.

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

Germany uses COAL!

thall0mon • 7 years ago

Except Germany is literally the size of a state. It is not comparable whatsoever. The infrastructure required to store and transfer energy at that magnitude is massive. If it were so BLINDINGLY simple do you really think no company would have done it by now?

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

It's being done nevertheless, all expense aside. West Texas is the site of incredibly thousands upon thousands of wind turbines, often sharing the same vast spaces with oil-well drilling. It takes similar billions to frack and drill and transport oil and gas (pipelines are a case in point!), so your argument is apparently irrelevant. As companies HAVE indeed done exactly that sort of investment in wind energy in the U.S.

f boyd • 7 years ago

violinsensei,
why yes I have stood on the northern plains all hours of the day and night as a matter of fact and if my recollection is correct, perhaps 50% of the time would be truly favorable for wind generation. One cannot generate wind powered electricity when the winds fall below or exceed certain speeds. To date, there is not a viable means of storage for electric energy to meet the needs of ND when wind is not generating enough to meet the demands,or any other state for that matter. As to your assertion that Germany is powered by 80% wind generation, please, can you provide your information source(s)? My research indicates only in December 2015 did wind generation exceed coal generation in Germany, not to mention electricity produced by oil, natural gas or wood fired generation in Germany. I applaud all sources of power but until it is economically beneficial to snub out fossil fuels, let's not "shoot ourselves in our own feet"!

Oath Keeper • 7 years ago

So you want some facts or just hype?
Here are facts....
1) DAP offered to pay the tribes $56 million to run the pipeline on the outer edge of tribe land. The tribe refused, so DAP moved the project and bought federal land not owned by the indians. The idians got angry because they wanted to extort money from DAP and get far more money thank the $56 million offered. Thats when the tribes got mad. This isnt about water its about money. If it was about water the tribe wouldnt have tried to get more money for the pipeline to run on their land. Since they had a price, this has nothing to do with water or artifacts.

2) The protesters attacked DAP workers. The protesters stabbed and assaulted the workers before any of them were bit by dogs. The dogs and security were trying to stop the protesters from attacking DAP workers.

3) The protesters were tresspassing on private property. They caused extensive damage to DAP equipment on private property.

4) Soros is funding this uprising and sending black lives matter to these protests.

5) The media is lying to people and twisting the actual truth about this situation. Research for yourselfs.

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

I was paying attention to your argument, because I know some points of it are true, until you brought the ridiculous claim about Soros into it, and now you have no credibility. Isn't there a pizza restaurant with underground tunnels and child sex slaves you need to go check out.

Steve Baker • 7 years ago

Does anyone have independent verification of the 56 million offer to the Standing Rock tribe ?

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

One flaw in your argument--"The tribe refused." And "If it was about water the tribe wouldn't have tried to get more money for the pipeline torun on their land." If it wasn't about water in the first place, the re-routing certainly DID make it about water, because the new route puts the pipleline under the Missouri River in a location above the reservation. Just as a city did not want the possibility of a pipeline incident above their location beause it puts citizens at risk, so the re-routing puts the tribe at risk. No, who made this about being angry? I'd say the pipeline folks wreaked a kind of revenge here. Back at 'ya.

Oath Keeper • 7 years ago

The tribe could have accepted $56 million and took care of their "lands, artifacts, and remains" before the pipeline went in. They chose to try and extort more money from DAP. $56 Million is a lot of money. That pipeline is being ran 100% legally. It passes stringent EPA guidlines & regulations. This isnt about water, artifacts, or remains. The indians are mad couldent extort more money from the pipeline and instead ended up with nothing. They over played their hand. Someone took the $56 million deal, why didnt the Indian Chief see that coming?

Christliche • 7 years ago

We are only seeing part of the truth here, and you make some really great points. As you said, research for yourself. But folks won't do that, will just be overly emotional and take the first thing they read or hear about the situation as truth. It seems that this is about $$$$$$ (on all sides, of course).

Robert Dess • 7 years ago

Stupid......Bismarck didn't want the pipeline because they were afraid it was a risk of polluting their water source......what's the difference here? How about let me bulldoze your dead families remains? And put oil in your drinking water? Sound good? Not to me.

rebeccagavin • 7 years ago

Wow. As for the Bismarck claim....http://www.snopes.com/dapl-routed-...

Archaeologists employed by the State of ND scoured that land and found zero human remains. How about you check you facts before posting?

Oath Keeper • 7 years ago

Got $56 million? If so you can dig wherever you want. The remains of my family members that passed 6 generations ago are of no concern to me. Running oil through pipeline is safer than putting it on the roadways. Do the protesting indians drive cars? If so they need to stop immediately. Decrease the demand for oil.

Ira Mathis • 7 years ago

Where are these dead family members? Did they did them up when the first line was laid? Please provide an accurate source for your claim so I may be able to oppose this as you do

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

The Atlantic

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"These documents provided some of the first evidence that state authorities had missed major archeological discoveries in the path of the pipeline. For instance, they described a large stone feature that depicted the constellation Iyokaptan Tanka (the Big Dipper)—a sign that a major leader, likely a highly respected Chief, was buried nearby.

'This is one of the most significant archeological finds in North Dakota in many years,” said Tim Mentz, a Standing Rock Sioux member and a longtime Native archeologist in the Great Plains. “[Dakota Access Pipeline] consultants would have had to literally walk directly over some of these features. However, reviewing DAPL’s survey work, it appears that they did not independently survey this area but relied on a 1985 survey.' -- well-researched analysis of the legal case in The Atlantic, http://www.theatlantic.com/...

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

Apparently, the land ultimately chosen also involved tribal land appropriated in 1958. Did you read the article?

Cody Summers • 7 years ago

This is an example of how certain people think they're above the consequences of their actions. That makes me sick. A common sense that so many people have would be to consider possible consequences before looking at the benefits. This is a way of life. Before taking action, consider the outcome of it, good and bad. That way, if it doesn't have enough benefits, you won't regret it later because you choose to do something with a better outcome. These people who are trying to build a pipeline for transporting OIL over a FAULT LINE through NATIVE LAND aren't looking at the possible events/tragedies that could occur later on. All they see is $$$, more Jobs for People, and oil transport benefits. That's a sadistic way of looking at things.

Ira Mathis • 7 years ago

The line is not on NATIVE LAND! Facts

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

"And while the land being used for the pipeline is not technically on its reservation, tribal leaders argue that the federal government did not adequately engage the Standing Rock Sioux during the permitting process—a requirement under federal law."--Time Magazine, October 28, full article below

http://time.com/4548566/dak...

Robert Dess • 7 years ago

1851 treaty says it's Standing Rock land.

Railcar79 • 7 years ago

they sold the land to the US government for a total of $5,251,533 dollars in exchange for the formation of lake Oahe. Public Law 85-915
September 2, 1958 | [H. R. 12662] 72 Stat. 1762

jillscherb7 • 7 years ago

If it's a lake, where is the pipeline being built?

Railcar79 • 7 years ago

It is being directional drilled 90 feet under the lake bed. A process that is used quite often.

energyscapes • 7 years ago

One more item: An arrest warrant was issued by ND authorities for Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman who was reporting on site when the private security firm set the dogs on Native Americans. September 13 is a day of global support for Standing Rock. If you drink water this issues matters to you.

Kat Herine • 7 years ago

And her cameraman.