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Aaron Poisel • 7 years ago

And if law enforcement decides to truncate its service to black communities, does that, too, meet the criteria of racism? Now, some will undoubtedly retort that cops should be able to protect and serve high-crime, predominantly black neighborhoods, sans profiling and potentially sparking deadly confrontations. The veracity of such assertion should be repudiated, chiefly, because all of the variables involved specifically account for themselves: high crime warrants more police interaction; predominant racial makeup entails more police interaction with blacks; an exorbitantly higher percentage of violent crime is oftentimes salient of these communities; and profiling likely suspects and their accompanying MOs are encompassed by the aforesaid elements. The quandary between all interested parties can only be remedied NOT by law enforcement's restraint and subsequent thought that WILL compromise the invaluable variable of time (shall they just count to "five Mississippi" prior to reacting to every situation where time is of the essence?), but by members of the community who are expected to exercise civility and conduct themselves in a fashion consistent with being a law abiding citizen. At some point shall pride and lethal ignorance be superseded by much more than what Obama's America and the plethora of fallacious narratives have contributed. Either way, these facts are overwhelmingly accurate, and must be propounded into the thinking of those who misapply dangerous narratives so that a sincere panacea may be pursued to quell the conflagration of civil unrest.

fspiceland • 7 years ago

"And if law enforcement decides to truncate its service to black communities" - they essentially have in Baltimore. Murder rate is rising.

Robert Cloutier • 7 years ago

And why do you suppose police are truncating services in black communities in Baltimore? Because they don't want to be race card patsies or get killed defending those that won't defend them.

fspiceland • 7 years ago

Exactly. To clarify what I mean by "truncating services" is that police are leaving that department. They're down over 6% this year.

liberaldisgust • 7 years ago

Chicago .....

Honest Abe • 7 years ago

Law Enforcement Officers are remarkably trying to do their jobs in Chicago.

Aaron Poisel • 7 years ago

Mac, you're conveniently omitting perhaps the most striking Stat of them all: black ON white violence as opposed to white ON black crime. Before I do that, I understand that white on white crime can parallel an incidence ratio similar to blacks, but even that fails to account for the amount of violent crime that STILL occurs much, much more relative when compared to the data WITHIN each group. Yes, it still far exeeds the aggregate total of incidents we have observed amongst whites. Forgot about that one, too, eh?

Let's go back to racial animus and how it engenders an exponentially ridiculous ratio between "race on race" crime. Simply put, whites are 37 times more likely to be targeted by blacks than visa versa. I needn't exude any more of my bias, sir, I get it. Lol.

Aaron Poisel • 7 years ago

We see more police involvement in trailor parks, replete with white trash criminals; we see more cop presence near bar districts leading up to the hours of closing time; we even see speed traps where suspected motorists have a higher propensity to disobey traffic laws-- heck, many of them are fashioned along arteries that lead to opulent (well-to-do) subdivisions (yeah, that's instant revenue for the city, because wealthier folks tend to actually remit fine payments on time); and we should just expect to see the men and women in blue wherever research reveals all illegal activity occurring.

bebe • 7 years ago

You sure do know a lot of big words.

Mac Attack • 7 years ago

The facts may be accurate but they are being presented in a manner that form a bias. "Most black people kill other black people" ...well I can say that most white people kill other white people, and still be right. People being outraged by police brutality is wholly justified and has nothing to do with a white person bringing up crime rates in Chicago to detract from the current conversation.

Honest Abe • 7 years ago

?? The police usually respond to calls, They rarely just go into the bad areas of a town for a joyride! The current conversation is about how the police aren't really racists, they shoot more whites than blacks, contrary to what the media and local governments want you to think.

scotsims • 7 years ago

Take a look at the FBI statistics. Table 43.

You're mainly wrong.

Robert Cloutier • 7 years ago

Nice wording lol. "Mainly wrong" what a subjective statement

scotsims • 7 years ago

Incorrect in some areas, correct in others. BFD

Anna Tropik • 7 years ago

this table is interesting...
does this mean the article was wrong when it said 66 to 75 percent of some crimes were commited by black people... it does not reflect in the table...
stats are tricky things, easy to make them say what you want...

scotsims • 7 years ago

It's called cherry picking. The GOTP is very good at it.

churl • 7 years ago

Nice word salad.

scotsims • 7 years ago

One of the major cures to this situation is providing the same quality of education so minorities have the same opportunities as white children in life. Add to that food and good nutrition as it's impossible to learn when you're hungry. Mandatory family planning and sex education for all races and access to contraception - free.

There's blame to be assigned to all sides, but all factors should be on the table.

Robert Cloutier • 7 years ago

Govt doesn't give white people anything for free. We "make to much" to get assistance. I "made to much"as a young man and couldn't get assistance because my minimum wage job paid too much lol. But minorities at minimum wage did qualify. I'd say minorities have enough entitlement programs. Perhaps they should get jobs.

scotsims • 7 years ago

If a white person and a minority person make the same amount of money over a certain limit neither gets EBT, if one of those individuals had a dependent they would probably qualify.

Robert Cloutier • 7 years ago

Maybe if they didn't sell their food stamps for drugs they wouldn't be hungry.

scotsims • 7 years ago

Food stamps are no longer issued, EBT cards are which function like credit cards.

The fraud rate is under 3% for EBT, most of which is committed by the store. Positive drug tests are +/- 1-2%. Hundreds of thousands are spent for a program which doesn't produce the savings promised.

scotsims • 7 years ago

Food stamps are no longer issued, EBT cards are which function like credit cards. The fraud rate on EBT is under 3% - most of which is due to the retailers fraud. Drug tests have shown a positive test in roughly 1-2% of those tested which means hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted on nothing.

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Robert Baker • 7 years ago

I know, the same as long as there is a knife, hammer, etc. The first murder was with a rock. Poor guns.

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Ichneumon Jones • 7 years ago

I'm proud to have played a small part in getting Congress to ban the agenda-driving CDC "research", and I'm not "the NRA" (not even a member).

The Sloan/Kellermann group backed by CDC wasn't doing actual research, they were a propaganda factory, dressing up their predetermined "conclusions" to look like valid studies when they weren't. They deserved to be banned from spending taxpayer money on partisan political garbage, and thankfully they were.

There's still plenty of federal research into violence, firearm-related and otherwise, it's just the CDC that is rightly barred from continuing their dishonest shenanigans. Doctors make crappy criminologists and legal analysts in any case, they don't have the proper training, knowledge, or background. Gun crime is not a disease or physical ailment.

I read their "studies", I got copies of their datasets, examined their methods, found the flaws and missing data and misrepresentations, compared their claims against those of more competent researchers, and so on. Their work was crap, but are still the favorite "studies" cited by anti-gun crusaders (gee, imagine that).

Want a concrete example? Here you go, my quick synopsis of one of their "studies":

Sloan JH, Kellermann AL, Reay DT, et al. "Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities". N Engl J Med 1988; 319: 1256-62.
This is the one that the anti-gun zealots like to claim as "proof" that implementing gun control laws works.

Main methodological problems: Compares gun-controlled Vancouver (Canada) to less gun-controlled Seattle (America), finds a lower homicide rate in Vancouver, declares "all else is equal but the gun laws" between the two cities, concludes gun control saves lives, QED.

I am not making this up. Do I even *need* to point out the methodological holes in *that*?

Conveniently "forgets" to point out that Vancouver had a 25% RISE in its homicide rate after the gun control went into effect there. Also conveniently "forgets" to mention that although the study claims with a straight face that the two cities were :air-quote: "demographically similar", in actual fact (according to the study's OWN DATA TABLES) Seattle had a significantly higher percentage of blacks and Hispanics, and (still according to the study's own data tables) the homicide differential between the cities is comprised ENTIRELY of the higher homicide rates and size differential of these two sub-populations, while the majority white population (70+% of the population in both cities) had an almost identical homicide rate (indeed, Vancouver's white homicide rate was slightly *higher* than Seattle's). So unless the authors want to put forth the amazing proposition that gun control only works on black people (and also causes a city's black population to drop), the only valid conclusion (as opposed to the one they actually made) is that the homicide differential between Seattle and Vancouver is entirely due to the socioeconomic demographic differences that the authors attempted to dismiss, and that gun control actually doesn't do crap.

Your tax dollars at work. Well, not anymore, and that's a good thing.

Harlon Katz • 7 years ago

The issue is that the "progressive" CDC has predetermined results that they want to "research".

Myomoto Mushashi • 7 years ago

These statistics show the real facts. There are other statistics that are exactly the same. More blacks kill blacks and it is ridiculous to say that the police (white only) target black males (all over the country and all white cops) just because they are black. You have to very myopic to have this view. The responsibility is on all sides. When stopped by a police simply keep you hands where they can be seen, don't be a criminal, and only do what they say. You will have no problems unless you are doing something that you should not be doing and/or acting like a criminal. This goes for everyone.

BubbyBadazz • 7 years ago

THANK YOU! Maybe #BLACKLIVESMATTER advocates should be promoting how to PROPERLY interact with law enforcement when being questioned. It's the culture of CONTINUED HATE towards local officials that produces uncooperative black men.

If you aren't doing anything illegal there should be no problem with answering a few questions, clearing your name, and (in the end) helping police get to the real bad guys

fujimo1 • 7 years ago

According to the FBI website there were over 13 million arrest in 2015. Let's go with the biggest number from killedbycops 1186 and over 500 of those were white people. So over 13 million arrest about 320 were black and 200 were Latino were killedbycops....How is this an epidemic? I'd say the cops are doing a jam up job.

Nehmo Sergheyev • 7 years ago

I never said the cops as a whole are racist. That's just blacks playing the race card because it works. However, that doesn't mean the cops are innocent of excessive violence. They kill people for the slightest provocation - and sometimes for nothing.

BubbyBadazz • 7 years ago

At the end of the day, the more support local police officers receive from their community, the more efficient they will be at ridding the streets of crime.

less crime = better communities, better education, more local business, and MORE OPPORTUNITY

dscottv • 7 years ago

Obama ought to address the fact that 60% of violent crime is committed by blacks event though they are only 13% of the population. That is indicative of a huge problem...much bigger problem than the relatively small number of blacks shot by white cops.

BubbyBadazz • 7 years ago

COMPLETELY RIGHT EVERYONE! ITS OBVIOUS COPS (OF ALL RACES) AREN'T CAPABLE OF DOING ANY GOOD. LETS JUST PULL THEM OUT OF ALL THE CRIME STRICKEN COMMUNITIES AND THEN WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THE STATISTICS NEXT YEAR.

James Madison • 7 years ago

"Hey, lets go buy a home in a black neighborhood"!

Said no one ever.

Real estate values in predominately black areas are much lower than predominately white neighborhoods. The reason IS the disproportionate crime within black areas. The statistics don't lie and nor does the housing market or better yet, when it comes down to it, nor do peoples wallets: liberal, conservative, doesn't matter...no one wants to live around blacks, especially blacks that have done well and have chosen to live in nicer (i.e. white) areas.

Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit 60-70% of violent crime. The FBI and DOJ both provide the stats. No agenda, just the truth.

As soon as the pattern stops being enabled and the vast majority of blacks, especially black men start manning the f*** up and raising families, holding down a job, not having a big f***ing attitude that makes no one want to be around them (I grew up in an area with lots of blacks and have seen it first hand, time and time again), as soon as they stop being disproportionately involved in crime as the statistics prove and generally become accountable for their actions then perhaps, perhaps we may see some actual progress.

Until then. Keep making excuses. Keep enabling this behavior. Keep blaming whites or cops or slave owners from 200 years ago or George Bush or whoever is "oppressing" you. Keep denying the statistical reality and nothing will change but it will only become worse.

Trytobeobjective • 7 years ago

"Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit 60-70% of violent crime."

What happens when you control for poverty?

Handsome Jack • 7 years ago

Poverty does not equate to crime, it only raises the likelihood of crime. It is a correlation, not a causation.

Hop • 7 years ago

If I have three children - two girls and a boy - and they all are breaking the house rules but I'm only punishing the boy by not letting him go to sleepovers, out to the movies with friends, etc., but I still allow the girls to hang out with friends....it would appear to the people outside of the house that the boy is the only one who is breaking the rules. This is why you think Blacks account for more crimes than Whites.

Handsome Jack • 7 years ago

Your claim of it only appearing like black people commit more crimes does not have evidence to back it up. Claims of racism are too subjective to stand on their own.

V Saxena • 7 years ago

Poverty is not an excuse. I got family members in India who are dirt poor -- way poorer than the black people in America -- yet still do not commit any crimes. Sup with that, huh?

ronno • 7 years ago

they still do more.

Oatmeal • 7 years ago

Then his bullshit is meaningless. That's what happens. What happens when you control for the enormous discretion of individual officers or prosecutors? The underlying claim is that minority classes are more prone to criminal behavior. That claim is, simply put, a heap of horseshit.

Handsome Jack • 7 years ago

Minorities are not more prone to commit crimes. You cannot lump all non-whites together. Minorities come from many different backgrounds and cultures. The only thing they have in common is the fact they are outnumbered by white people in the US. That in itself is meaningless. African-Americans are disproportionately less successful than other minorities, mainly because their culture is driven by fear, mistrust, entitlement, and willful ignorance. African-Americans are the only minority to prize the "us against them" mentality.

Oatmeal • 7 years ago

"African-Americans are disproportionately less successful than other
minorities, mainly because their culture is driven by fear, mistrust,
entitlement, and willful ignorance".

Please reflect on your statement. It is plainly a generalization. It is plainly small-minded.

Heath Zumstein • 7 years ago

The mainstream media is responible for inciting all of this hysteria and violence by shoving a false narrative that isn't even remotely supported by the facts down the throats of the American people.

Do yourself a favor and look into what sort of people it is that control the media in this country and you'll start to understand what their agenda is.

Mark Malmin • 7 years ago

The sociology of victimization and the collapse of the family play a big role in this morass as well. My own journal article Police Misconduct, Racism, and Excessive Use of Force-Failure Analysis, Commentary, and Recommendations delves into these issues.

DMZ • 7 years ago

KILLED BY POLICE SO FAR IN 2016
race

White 494

Black 258

Hispanic 172

Other 38

Unknown 28

Thought-criminal_Sisyphus • 7 years ago

494 may not be more than 258 in the new 'common core math'

Sarita La Cubanita • 7 years ago

Black Lives Matter is a propaganda organization meant to distort facts, then present them distorted. Whoever gives its blessings to this organization, is doing wrong. Mr. Obama has given the blessings to this organization. Ms. Clinton as well. The media, nearly all of which is on board with Obama and Clinton because these two (and all career politicians) represent Wall Street (and have been heavily financed by them), are promoters of this propaganda.