Several of the sorta-pro members of the OLive commentariat have offered up various suggestions for adult beverages that Judge Anna Brown might consider to relax after a contentious day listening to certain defense attorneys and/or their clients. We realize that offering up such beverages might be considered to be contempt or an effort to sway the judges efforts in a particular direction and we would not want to do that. However, after the shenanigans are finished (probably a year from now) if said judge were to show up at a McMenamins tavern we could all agree upon, she would not need to spend any money, and she could bring along her clerks for good measure because they are also subject to the same abuse and don't get to stick their thumb in the idiot's eye.

I would gladly contribute from afar.

This is a fine plan!

I wonder if Judge Brown has a hard time keeping a straight face when confronted with these loony tunes, especially in open court. I know I would.

Judge Brown is probably wishing she'd taken a sabbatical.

Guaranteed Judge Brown has a flask under the robes. How could one deal with these wack-a-doodle non-persons without a little medicinal help? I wish her luck and hope she has good meditation skills, so she can do a mental cleansing prior to resuming home-life.

I suspect she was "armed" and ready when the first one showed up. It's not as if these people are springing up out of nowhere. She was probably prepared with appropriate legal boots-for-behinds within a half hour after being given the case.

While I agree that these whack-a-doodles can be amusing, do not underestimate them. They can be dangerous!!! A few years ago, two West Memphis police officers were murdered by two sovereigns after a traffic stop.

I was just thinking the same thing these two Nut Jobs could be another Timothy McVeigh

They could, yes.

I would love any of these nut jobs try to get froggy

there be fringed flags on the horizon - AHOY! AHOY!

although i do have to wonder what exactly he means by "make laws to make money from creating arguments between men and women.”

All I can think is maybe he blames lawyers for divorce. Maybe?

i was thinking that and child support or domestic violence cases / restraining order cases. if you look at a lot of MRA's out there and fathers rights people. they often come up with similar stuff that doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Who knows what's in the mind of a Jackass

that's a real possibility - there is often overlap between various forms of right wing extremism

That has to be one of the most awkward sentences I've read. I would have a hard time explaining what it meant to you because it makes so little sense at all. Taken at face value it doesn't mean anything.

I admit, that one is especially stupid.

Oh, now I get it! O'Hagan is upset because a lot of elected legislators are lawyers. These elected (presumably by the people) lawyers write laws on purpose that are so confusing to other people that it takes other fee-charging lawyers to figure them out. Ordinary people like "Dirt Dan" (below) who surely is not a lawyer himself, doesn't seem to mind using a lot of legal-sounding stuff as he attempts to muck up this discussion thread. IMO, it's the "mucking up" that's the point.

"`I don’t know what you mean by “glory,”‘ Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘

`But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument,”‘ Alice objected.

`When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master – – that’s all.’

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. `They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs, they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’

`Would you tell me, please,’ said Alice `what that means?`

`Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. `I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’

`That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

`When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `I always pay it extra.’"

--Lewis Carroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass, Chapter 6, pub. 1871

All I can say is that Humpty-Dumpty must have been a Sovereign Citizen.

Humpty Dumpty sounds kind of like the Virginia Supreme Court interpreting statues ;)

Quite so.

Or he understands the principle of deemed.

In a surrey with the fringe on top, of course...

did you notice that very familiar sounding "Matthew Hackney" Twoll?

Yeah...only about a few hundred posts from this guy. Clearly not Eduardo Garcia, because he's not bringing up Stalin's "monkey-men" or arrogantly demanding copies of our resume, and I don't think it's the foundation in honor of a 10-year-old English boy who died of allergies and other ailments, but I don't think it's the "Catholic, Conservative, Warrior for the West" we've been dealing with.
His endorphin loss will take longer to kick in, and his arrogance level and autism would require him to post his actual name.
No, this is a new guy, with a lot of time on his hands.

i'm not convinced its not the self proclaimed warrior for the west

he's has used socks before and "Mattie" immediately went after me personally - and he's posted some very things that sound very much like him - and i believe the self proclaimed warrior is more than smart enough to alter his style to try to hide his identity

and if its not him, its likely someonme who shares the same affliction and obsesssion

Great...then I have to tell Kiwiwriter to have a chat with him...I'm not sure if you're aware that our boy went pleading to Kiwi for help with his Asperger's, and for once, Kiwi was more forgiving than I was and is trying to help him, but he's being a mix of agreeing and intransigent...most folks are telling Kiwi that Brock just wants someone to say, "Poor dear, once you stop trolling and bullying, your life will turn out just like you dreamed it would as a teenager," but that won't happen as long as he's wrapped up in 12th-century ideas and doesn't do serious hard work on them.

If you want to know more about this, and weigh in with your views on what Kiwiwriter should do, reach out to Reynardine off-line. I'm joining others in urging Kiwi to drop Brock like the overheated teenager he is, but Kiwi says, "I can't ignore a fellow Aspergian in pain."

i'm not certain its Bwockie - i think its quite possibly Bwockie

and whether its Bwockie i don't think its a good idea to let him know that his stalking of me has been effective

I'll pass your concerns on to Kiwiwriter...I think he's a liar and a fraud. He apologized to you once before for stalking and harassing you and then started doing it again.
I deal with a lot of people in my job who make all kinds of excuses for their recidivism and inability to hold jobs, and they come to me for help after the latest firing or arrest, to intercede again with the manager or the parole officer, and I can't...the case is cut and dried. And when I have five other people who want that job, and are prepared to work and do that job, I have to do triage -- best prospect first, sadly.
That's how I feel about Brock. He had his shot at life, and he blew it. He'll be back on the internet in a month, maybe two, and hounding others for the rest of his life, as a "Warrior for the West."
I'm going to tell Kiwiwriter to have him read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer."

Based on his latest reply, I think he's already jonesing for an adrenaline rush, and he might well be the sock puppet stalking Her Radiance.

Cyberstalkers are invariably insignificant little people who get off on the endorphin rush of making other people bounce around...a pal of mine has often said that the internet is the best thing to happen to the schoolyard bully since the invention of lunch money.

He's absolutely right. BTW, I confronted Princess's latest stalker, whoever he is, and he backed off me so fast he left skid marks.

I'd like to see that little exchange...

One exchange ended when I started saying, "Now you're just posting to get attention from a real female, here's your five seconds," and a link to one of the e-cards that says "Aren't you just the most adorable black hole of need." He ran away.

The other ended when he called me a "coward" (I presume because he thought I was using a pseud) and I told him I used my real name and I dared him to challenge me to prove I wasn't who I say I am. He ran away again.

That would do it pretty efficiently...I would presume that the most attention he ever got from a real live woman was when she said, "Would you like fries with that, sir?"

He's been a sad, sad little man ever since he bit his girlfriend on the neck, her valve let go, and she flew out the window.

And that was as close as he'll ever come to knowing true, requited love -- without leaning out of his car window and paying $80 for it...

He's a Dame fool

My guess is that is the entry point to an anti feminist rant. I bet he has a website or blog somewhere if one wanted to go down the rabbit hole.

that's what I was thinking too

You consider them your enemy yet you don't take the time to know them - even for your own protection should you encounter them.

Oh, and the flags behind a judge are fringed - even in a civil court.

i've actually seen these sovereign citizens in action before, so i do know them - and i do not consider them to be my enemy - instead, i pity them because most have fallen victim to con artists (of course, you know the saying among grifters is that "you can't con an honest man") - as long as they limit their activities to making comments online and do not actually try the highly fraudulent schemes promoted by their ilk, they are simply deserving of pity. Once they cross the line into law breaking (as the Bundy Bunch has) they deserve to have the book thrown at them

AHOY AHOY the pirate ship sails for Austrailia at dawn!

So long as everyone stays in their place and does what they are told the Masters will be happy and the fairies will come again, right?

Why does Old Glory have Fringe around her? It's Military Rule, LOOK IT UP! It means Law of the Sea, Admiralty Law, look it up. Why would we have "Law of the Sea" fringe on our flag, when we live on the land? Since the US is in fact a corporation (Act of 1871), my recommendation is to research what you do not know, because what you learn, might just knock you on your Azz!

I have a throw pillow in my living room with a gold fringe. I won't let it enter the bedroom, because that would be weird.

Yeah, no you need to do your research on the word fringe. The fringe is only on certain Ensigns and command flags for decretive proposes only. Who ever told you about the Law of the Sea lied or is laughing at you really hard. I do agree that corps. have been corrupting the government for a long time, but before telling people to do research about something you might want try it out for yourself.

You are referring to the Organic Act of 1871, which revoked the charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown, and instead treated the entire District of Columbia as one entity, because the Distict's population had greatly increased after the Civil War, and the areas outside the cities of Washington and Georgetown lacked sanitation and decent roads, so they needed some government to ensure sanitation and roads?

That is SO FAR from what you are claiming, that you might as well be in Mongolia. The United States is a country, not a corporation. I did look it up, thankyouverymuch. And I found you're an idiot.

"Congress passed the Organic Act of 1871, which revoked the individual charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown and combined them with Washington County to create a unified territorial government for the entire District of Columbia.[6] The new government consisted of an appointed governor and 11-member council, a locally elected 22-member assembly, and a board of public works charged with modernizing the city.[7] The Seal of the District of Columbia features the date 1871, recognizing the year the District's government was incorporated.[8]

The Act did not establish a new city or city government within the District. Regarding a city of Washington, it stated that "that portion of said District included within the present limits of the city of Washington shall continue to be known as the city of Washington". In the present day, the name "Washington" is commonly used to refer to the entire District, but DC law continues to use the definition of the city of Washington as given in the Organic Act.[9]"

Yep. No government corporations in the US. Our towns, cities, burgs, villes, etc. are not incorporated are they?

"Government services Corporations" are NOT the lawful
government: Very few people believe all Federal, State and Local governments
are corporations!

WELL for those of you that don't believe it, read it
and weep ...

The Data Universal Numbering System, abbreviated as
DUNS or D­U­N­S, is a proprietary

system developed and regulated by Dun &
Bradstreet (D&B) that assigns a unique numeric

identifier, referred to as a "DUNS number"
to a single business entity.

DUNS Numbers of the US Corporate Government and Most
of Its Major Agencies

United States Government­052714196

US Department of Defense (DOD)­030421397

US Department of the Treasury­026661067

US Department of Justice (DOJ)­011669674

US Department of State­026276622

US Department of Health & Human Services (HHS)­Office
of the Secretary­112463521

US Department of Education­944419592

US Department of Energy­932010320

US Department of Homeland Security­932394187

US Department of the Interior­020949010

US Department of Labor­029536183

US Department of Housing & Urban Development
(HUD)­Office of the Secretary­030945779

US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)­931691211

US Transportation Security Administration (TSA)­050297655

US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)­056622429

Bureau of Customs & Border Protection (CBP)­796730922

Federal Bureau of Immigration & Customs
Enforcement (ICE)­130221646

US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)­057944910

National Aeronautics & Space Administration
(NASA)­003259074

National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration
(NOAA)­079933920

US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)­364281923

Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)­037751583

Federal Communications Commission (FCC)­020309969

US Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC)­003475175

US Public Health Service (USPHS)­039294216

National Institutes of Health (NIH)­061232000

US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention
(CDC)­927645465

US Food & Drug Administration (FDA)­138182175

US Internal Revenue Service (IRS)­040539587

Federal Reserve Board of Governors (Fed)­001959410

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)­878865674

National Security Agency (NSA)­617395215

US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)­167247027

Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms & Tobacco
(BAFT)­132282310

Federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM)­926038563

Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)­926038407

DUNS Numbers of Each US Corporate State and Its
Largest City

State of Alabama­004027553 City of Birmingham­074239450

State of Alaska­078198983 City of Fairbanks­079261830

State of Arizona­068300170 City of Phoenix­030002236

State of Arkansas­619312569 City of Little Rock­065303794

State of California­071549000 City of Los Angeles­159166271

State of Colorado­076438621 City of Denver­066985480

State of Connecticut­016167285 City of Bridgeport­156280596

State of Delaware­037802962 City of Wilmington­067393900

District of Columbia­949056860 City of Washington­073010550

State of Florida­004078374 City of Miami­965299576

State of Georgia­069230183 City of Atlanta­065372500

State of Hawaii­077676997 City of Honolulu­828979612

State of Idaho­071875734 City of Boise­070017017

State of Illinois­065232498 City of Chicago­556057206

State of Indiana­071789435 City of Indianapolis­964647155

State of Iowa­828089701 City of Davenport­963855494

State of Kansas­827975009 City of Wichita­069862755

State of Kentucky­828008883 City of Louisville­943445093

State of Louisiana­0612389911 City of New Orleans­033692404

State of Maine­061207536 City of Portland, Maine­071747802

State of Maryland­847612442 City of Baltimore­052340973

State of Massachussetts­138090548 City of Boston­007277284

State of Michigan­054698428 City of Detroit­021733631

State of Minnesota­050375465 City of Minneapolis­009901959

State of Mississippi­008210692 City of Jackson­020864955

State of Missouri­616963596 City of Kansas (City)­832496868

State of Montana­945782027 City of Billings­068925759

State of Nebraska­041472307 City of Omaha­926604690

State of Nevada­123259447 City of Las Vegas­019342317

State of New Hampshire­066760232 City of Manchester­045009073

State of New Jersey­067373258 City of Newark­019092531

State of New Mexico­007111818 City of Albuquerque­129962346

State of New York­041002973 City of New York­021741036

State of North Carolina­830979667 City of Charlotte­809275006

State of North Dakota­098564300 City of Bismarck­080245640

State of Ohio­034309166 City of Columbus­010611869

State of Oklahoma­050411726 City of Oklahoma (City)­073131542

State of Oregon­932534998 City of Portland (Oregon)­054971197

State of Pennsylvania­933882784 City of Philadelphia­929068737

State of Rhode Island­008421763 City of Providence­069853752

State of South Carolina­067006072 City of Columbia­878281562

State of Tennessee­04143882 City of Memphis­051386258

State of Texas­002537595 City of Houston­967421590

State of Utah­009094301 City of Salt Lake City­017096780

State of Vermont­066760240 City of Burlington­037442977

State of Virginia­047850373 City of Virginia Beach­074736299

State of Washington­079248936 City of Seattle­009483561

State of West Virginia­828092515 City of Charleston
(West Virginia)­197931681

State of Wisconsin­001778349 City of Milwaukee­004779133

State of Wyoming­832826015 City of Cheyenne­021917273

DUNS Numbers of the United Nations Corporation and
Some of Its Major Corporate Agencies

United Nations (UN)­824777304

UN Development Program (UNDP)­793511262

UN Educational, Scientific, & Cultural
Organization (UNESCO)­053317819

UN World Food Program (UNWFP)­054023952

UN International Children’s Education Fund (UNICEF)­017698452

UN World Health Organization (WHO)­618736326

Grammar. Proper sentence structure. Capitalization. Punctuation. Try them some time.

Oh, and by the way, that weird formatting of your post reveals that you just did a cut-and-paste from elsewhere, cupcake. So on top of everything else you are definitely a lazy little monkey, and probably a plagiarist.