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LoneWolf1986 • 8 years ago

The less influence that AIPAC has over American politicians the better

lilian37 • 8 years ago

I wonder why some of the talkbacks have been removed. They are not even the anti-Israel ones, some of which call right wing Jews n*zis, the removal of which I would have understood, even applauded.

Big_pond • 8 years ago

there is not a more powerful pro-Israel group in the world than CUFI, hands down.. it is for more younger and more powerful...

JeffE • 8 years ago

Unfortunately, this isn't the first time that AIPAC has been acting to undermine Israel. Debbie Schlussel has been documenting for years how they have been becoming anti-Israel. For one example, see this link: http://www.debbieschlussel....

Kathleen Hoff • 8 years ago

What a piece of work Coons turned out to be! I can hardly believe it--but that's what I say so often regarding my country's reactions to anything that has to do with Israel these days! Is AIPAC too liberal for conservatives today? For some of the work I do, I rely on the Simon Wiesenthal centers because ADL is so liberal. Troubled times, my friends.

rsilverm • 8 years ago

disqus removed my comment? JPost removed it? It was marked "Removed" in disqus.

My offending comment: "I don't support AIPAC. I support the RJC, the ZOA, Atlas Shrugs, groups that are reliably pro-Israel."

R.L.Y. • 8 years ago

Mine too, making a similar comment to yours, though at greater length, was removed and I think quite a few others. I think the reason for the removal was the fact, as reported in the "letters" section of the paper, that Caroline had been mistaken in saying that AIPAC held a fundraiser for Coons. The fact of the matter, according to the note in the paper, was that Coons was the featured speaker at a general fund-raiser for AIPAC.

Though they have been cleared of the charge of holding a fund-raiser for Coons, I think that AIPAC were nevertheless at fault for honoring Coons, by inviting him to be the featured speaker at one of their fund-raisers, even though he had let both Israel and America down with his deplorable decision to vote in favour of the dangerous Iran deal.

Nevertheless, I still don't see the justification for so many of the (good) talkbacks being removed.

Javanne • 8 years ago

Ms Glick is right as usual, but she is expecting too much from AIPAC. Here, in the US, common sense is in short supply. So is pro-Israel sentiment among US Jews who feel less and less attached to Israel with each new generation. By supporting twerps like Coons, AIPAC's credibility with donors will be dropping; they may be committing suicide.

Gemm12 • 8 years ago

As a contributor to AIPAC, the decision to back Coons and any of the so-called pro-Israel Dems who voted for the Iran deal will have a impact on any further contributions.

Ken Waltzer • 8 years ago

Glick is way off on this, offering a sure formula for isolation. A majority of American Jews supported the deal. AIPAC went out on a limb ahead and apart from the community (yet in its name), and now Glick says "saw the limb off?" With such friends....

TerrorIsEvil • 8 years ago

The limb fell off the tree long ago and is rotting on the
ground in case you have not noticed. Obama made sure that
Jews stay down in the mud with him and never get to climb the tree again...
But we shall overcome!

The scarecrow needs a brain! The tin man needs a heart! The lion man
needs courage! And that’s exactly what AIPAC is missing—namely, all
three prerequisites for real leadership. In order to exact a price,
AIPAC must first find a leader who leads, a leader with a backbone and a
vision, not the rudderless and spineless wonder that exists today.

TerrorIsEvil • 8 years ago

This past election in Canada, a friend of Israel, Prime
Minister Harper, lost to a pro-Islamist, pro-Iranian, Justin Trudeau. The
Jewish mainstream organizations and big families either backed Trudeau or
remained deafeningly silent. Yes, we do ourselves a lot of damage; courting
enemies instead of backing friends. Leftism is more important to North American
Jewish groups than speaking the truth, shouting out what Jewish rights are in
the Land of Israel and defending our own who are under constant threat. George
Soros, the aging billionaire, is not alone in his quest to ruin Israel – many Jews
go along with the withered anti-Semite.

Masha S • 8 years ago

Not leftism, but own... erm... behind (LOL) is more important to majority of diaspora
Jews in USA and Canada. Def. not Israel, as much as they want to
convince everyone.

Masha S • 8 years ago

Not leftism, but own ars$$e is more important to majority of diaspora Jews in USA and Canada. Def. not Israel, as much as they want to convince everyone.

Nasdaq7 • 8 years ago

It's unbelievable and true. Jewish Defeatism.

dupree 7 • 8 years ago

Seems Coons made the right choice.He kept Obama happy and still has AIPAC support. We all know the Jews in the USA voted for Obama in greater numbers than all but blacks and likely they'll do the same in 2016 for Clinton. Defining being pro Israel means seems to include such a very broad spectrum of views it's an almost meaningless phrase, like being pro freedom or pro America

Al Learner • 8 years ago

You get Palestinian firsters who claim to be "American firsters".
Israel is a far more trustworthy ally than the Palestinians who sadly are a Hamas-Stan and future branch of ISIS.

DJT • 8 years ago

These people are openly writing about buying American politicians and will whine about anti-semitism when someone point it out.

DJT • 8 years ago

Coons is an American Senator. Not all Congressmen are Israel firsters.

Masha S • 8 years ago

May be you can explain how Israel "firster" is different from American one on JPOA issue?
For a few months already I'm trying to figure out, asking people around - nobody can give me legible answer.
Can you try?

hoptoit27 • 8 years ago

Stop worrying about what Aipac does or does not do. Israel must annex Judea & Samaria become independent from foreign aid from the U.S.

Niall Conneely • 8 years ago

American politicians, who accept funding from lobbies operating on behalf of a foreign power, are in a strange position. The money, or withdrawal of same, can make or break their careers. I sometimes wonder if this can be good for US democracy.

dupree 7 • 8 years ago

it stinks but they take from all lobbies ,business interests etc. so foreign powers are no different. want only billionaires running for office? then no need to accept funding from anyone.

Joel handelman • 8 years ago

Contrary to Ms. Glick, Coons supports the United States and the interests of the US people. This is why he was elected at the Congress and she was not.

George Kaplan • 8 years ago

Overwhelmingly, most Americans opposed the Iran debacle. Coons went AGAINST the will and interests of his constituents. Seems like you choose to ignore the will of Americans when they fall in line with Israel.

Guest • 8 years ago
Masha S • 8 years ago

Olive Oyl does not know we cannot elect anyone who's not running..

Coons was lying about how firmly he'd stand on his proclaimed principles.

Yidvocate • 8 years ago

Dah -yah think?

IsaacStorm • 8 years ago

How about AIPAC betrayed the Jewish people supporting such a stupid, foolish bill in the first place? Why didn't they support the Kirk-Menendez bill instead? Or in the alternative, put the onus on Obama to come up with 67 votes in the Corker bill? Or put pressure on the Senate to declare that Obama didn't supply ALL parts of the deal by the July time limit and pass a resolution of non-compliance? Why did some "unknown" AIPAC person come out and disparage and blame Netanyahu - talk about obnoxious and devastating - AIPAC takes the cake.

Because AIPAC only listens to itself and is only interested in being a big maucher.
They supported Obama after he reneged on his promise to them of a united Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty.

Right now a generation of Jewish Americans are growing up needing guidance - and what is AIPAC doing? Worrying about being "influential" with some jerkface who is going to stab Israel and the Jewish people in the back.

Al Learner • 8 years ago

This generation of Jewish Americans needs Jewish education.
Only 24% of American Jews believe that Judaism is based on Jewish law.
68% believe it is based on their personal definition of Social Justice and Equality.

thomasaikenhead • 8 years ago

"If AIPAC wants to remain relevant, (or reinstate its relevance) in Washington, it needs to follow a simple rule. It must support those who support Israel and oppose those who oppose Israel."

No.

AIPAC needs to avoid directly and publicly opposing a US government and its policies.

AIPAC was foolish to follow an Israeli Prime Minister who embarked on a political suicide mission and had suffered a devastating defeat as a result.

Just like the IDF, AIPAC relied upon the myth of its power rather than the reality and has now been publicly exposed as a paper tiger.

US politicians now know that opposing AIPAC and 'The Israel Lobby' and putting the interests of the US first will not be fatal.

AIPAC followed the wishes of Netanyahu and so has been complicit in destroying the bipartisan political support that Israel used to enjoy in the US.

Israel is now paying the price for the negligence and incompetence of AIPAC and Netanyahu, and will continue to do so for many, many years.

Guest • 8 years ago
StanleyTee • 8 years ago

Actually achin' head (I love it, even if my spell check doesn't!) always sounds stupid.

future • 8 years ago

The irony here is that it has been some of Israel's most ardent supporters who have caused this sea-change.
Starts with the invasion of Iraq, which got the America public sick of these wars.
After that -- no appetite for another, even worse war with Iran.
When idiots like Feith and Wolfowitz are breathing their last -- they can think about their decisive roles.
Then, years and years of alienating the American Jewish population as inauthentic and weak.
There was that comical video campaign to teach Americans how to be real Jews.
Message: you're stupid, probably not really Jewish, we speak for you.
And, morons -- keep sending money.
But the crowning achievement was Bibi's address to Congress -- that made support for Israel a partisan issue.
The New York Daily News, not exactly Al Jazeera, did a page one-story headlined "TRAITORS."
People who had to eat p00p sandwiches for years and years got their revenge.
Some 53 percent of American Jews backed the Iran deal -- putting their less well-educated fellow citizens in their debt, even if they don't realize it.
THAT probably was what really defeated AIPAC -- their most important audience gave them the shaft.

george • 8 years ago

As a separate reply, the victory over Iraq did make the U.S. a "hero", or at least garnered it respect for its strength. Recently Iran openly admitted that after the U.S. victory over Iraq, it had sent a communication to the U.S. that it is willing to negotiate on all matters, including recognition of Israel (as a legitimate Jewish state) and abandonment of Hezbollah etc. The U.S. ignored it. This has not been given nearly the publicity it deserves, because there is yet to find a Jew to blame for it.

DJT • 8 years ago

"victory over Iraq" ....Yeah right. We eliminated Iran's mortal enemy Saddam and gifted the Shiite majority country to Iran. Where do you jokers crawl out from?

george • 8 years ago

As I made clear in the other linked to this chain, if this was followed through properly then the victory would have meant something positive. You should educate yourself on all the opportunities that opened up but were deliberately rejected.

future • 8 years ago

Pouring trillions down a rathole and creating an alliance between Iraq and Iran IS "heroic" -- if you believe that Allah uses morons for his purposes . . .
Never heard of this Iranian reaction, but they were getting a very strong "you're next"message. Laughable, ultimately.

george • 8 years ago

The point of mentioning the Iranian offer is that if the events (and not just the Iranian offer, but certainly that was important) were followed through properly then none of the ensuing disasters would have occurred.

future • 8 years ago

Well, your ideas are made into porridge by the no-Jew-to-blame-for-it stuff.

A proper follow-up for 9/11: If there was a country the US should have invaded after 9/11 -- Saudi Arabia is it. Teamed with the Jordanian armed forces: its king is a direct descendant of Muhammad and religiously and intellectually qualified to be the guardian of Mecca. Instead, Saudi involvement was whitewashed (wasn't us, just some of our most prominent citizens!)

george • 8 years ago

I don't see how not invading Arabia is connected to making porridge from no-Jews-to-blame.

future • 8 years ago

I think you don't see a lot of things.

george • 8 years ago

do a web search on Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann. The Washingtpost (18 June 2006 by Glenn Kessler) also discusses it and the communication/offer from Iran to the U.S. via the Swiss ambassador, as well as the then-recent disclosure of the actual document containing the offer.

future • 8 years ago

Oh, don't doubt the possibility. But as things turned out, Iran had little to fear.

Masha S • 8 years ago

No more laughable then you blaming Jews for Iraq war.
You must wait for a few more years when it will be obvious how devastating JPOA is, to say that Jews are guilty for it too: look how many Jewish senators voted for it!
LOL

future • 8 years ago

Wolfowitz was Deputy Secretary of Defense, he was "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and ... its most hawkish advocate.In fact, "the Bush Doctrine was largely handiwork."Donald Rumsfeld in his interview with Fox News on February 8, 2011, said that Wolfowitz was the first to bring up Iraq after the 9/11 attacks during a meeting at the presidential retreat at Camp David.

Feith joined the administration of President George W. Bush as Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in 2001. His appointment was facilitated by connections he had with other neoconservatives, including Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. With his new appointment in hand, Feith proved influential in having Richard Perle chosen as chairman of the Defense Policy Board. Feith was criticized during the first term of the Bush administration for creating the Office of Strategic Influence. This office came into existence to support the War on Terror. The office's aim was to influence policymakers by submitting biased news stories into the foreign media. Feith played a significant role in the buildup to the Iraq war.

These are facts. Being Jewish is not a decree of blanket innocence.
But some low-lifes like to hide behind their religion, play victim when they are exposed . . .

Masha S • 8 years ago

There are Jews in US government, that's not a revelation to anyone. No news to anyone that all Jews are smart and stand tall for Israel and American interests - after all, look at all Jewish Obama supporters!
You forgot who (or rather what) was to decide on war or no war.
Hint: that's American Senate. Now count how many non-Jewish senators voted for that war.

No, Hillary is not Jewish, even with a Jew as SIL. LOL

future • 8 years ago

You're trying to divert attention from the fact -- as In outlined in my original posting -- that some 53 percent of American Jews backed the Iran deal, that year after year Netanyahu and the rest of his fanatics have lectured American Jews, denigrated them and even questioned their Jewishness.
THAT's why AIPAC is up that creek with a broken paddle.
And, to sanitize another smear from you -- I never said "Jews" were responsible for Iraq.
Unless you think that Wolfowitz and Feith are the only two Jews in America.
Your brand of slimy tricks are a fanatical Zionist trademark . . .

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Masha S • 8 years ago

//some 53 percent of American Jews backed the Iran deal//

That's NOT the fact, as much as you try to present it as such.

Why you insist on it if you deny accusing Jews in that war?