"We want to keep our freedom to have guns, so instead we're going to take away privacy. That's fine, right?"

Mass surveillance is so very effective at catching wrong-doers too, I can't possibly imagine how this could go wrong. [sarcasm]

The FBI spent 6 million US tax-dollars to run down and shoot a decent family man.

The FBI "investigated" a whack job 3 times, failed to detain him, who then went on to kill 49 people.

Right now, the FBI is the very last entity I'd trust with any task, let alone national security.

To say nothing about Randy Weaver's wife.

I think your answer lies in the announcement last week that Jeh Johnson was now being tasked with reviewing what role his agency has in this matter. I do not think I am going to like the outcome as this is a territory war with the citizens in the middle.

Is that the way Putin does it? Doping for National pride turns to laughter.

Putin didn't obfuscate the motivation behind a mass killer of homos, that was Obama, with the help of the Attorney General.

Actually it's reality that crapped all over the right wing fantasy that this was about radical Islam. This was the action of a self loathing and rejected individual. He tried to cloak the action in daesh rags in order to make his actions appear more palatable to his bigoted father.

That's how I saw it, too.

Exactly.

"mass killer of homos?" my aren't you a pleasant fellow. You're obviously a Putin supporter so let me ask you a question, How fascism working our for you Russians? I know you fought like crazy against it back in the 30's and 40's. Such a shame it's won after all these years.

Putin ButtBoy

Putin is the son Stalin always wanted! Homosexuals in Russia live in fear!

when all the agencys fall under the DOJ,...and loretta lynch does the presidents doings
then there isnt any Justice
its a criminal government run amok,...committing crimes and treasonous acts against american citizens
on a arizona tarmac bill clinton and Lynch met for 40 minutes on her jet
The fly said he heard this
"Loretta,..I gave you your appointment
then pressured barry to make you GENERAL
now I have a favor ,..'YOU OWE ME',...now end the investigation on hillary
and when shes president,...you will be a cabinet member,...maybe secretary of STATE "
the corruption is on both criminally corrupted two party system,....of a Dictatorship !

If this is true, then my dreams of a $hillary and tRump indictment/arrest/sentencing/incarceration are in vain.

:(

Like that "pesky" $hillary clinton task.

If the bad guys need a gun they go to a republican red state.

Is that what all the gang bangers do in Chicago?

Chicago is about 1 1/2 - 2 hrs from the Indiana state line where guns are cheap & easy to get, much like you. The fact that 90+/- gun deaths in Chicago are due to gang & drug wars, shouldn't let that deter you from your Foxette narrative.
No wonder this country is so divided, intelligentsia has to speak down to the uneducated. Drumpf's main base.

So..... you're saying that criminals don't obey gun laws?

If you are confused, maybe you should look up what makes a criminal a criminal.

So you ARE saying criminals do not obey gun laws.......

I'm saying that a criminal is defined by "not obeying the law" (some criminals obey gun laws).

Now, why do we even bother with laws at all, if criminals won't obey them? If gun control laws don't "work" because criminals can get guns, do any other laws "work"? It seems we have antidrug laws, but criminals still get drugs. We have laws against murder, but criminals still murder (even sans guns!). We have laws against defrauding people, and yet con men are at it every day. Et cetera.

So what good are any laws?

Any good law is one that does not try and take away inalienable rights and liberty. Gun laws are contrary to this as well are drug laws. And as you have seen and stated the same in your reply DO NOT WORK. So in effect, the only thing guns laws bo is keep law abiding citizens from owning them. A well armed society is a polite society. The states with the toughest gun laws have the highest amount of gun related crime, the open carry states have the least. The 2nd was not written in case the deer turning on us, it was written to protect us from tyranny of our own gubment.

We do not have laws to prevent anything, we have laws so we can take action against people. Without laws, we can't lock anyone up for anything. Right?
So when Joe Cop finds Bad Guy illegally armed, Joe Cop can actually arrest Bad Guy.
Also, I put "work" in quotes, because you seemed to think if a law works, that means everyone obeys it. We know that's not true for any law - so if gun control laws don't "work", by your measure, then no laws ever worked, and none ever will.

You are also all over the place there - you say guns save us from criminality, then say guns are just to fight the government. And yet, can you have a MANPAD? How about a MANPAT? Can you even jam a drone signal? Can you REALLY have an arsenal of weapons to compete with our military? That war is over before it began - the government has any number of ways to track you, interfere with your movements, your spending, etc. They can eavesdrop on your calls to your fellow patriots and mess with your plans. This is all simple fact - the opportunity for the people to militarily take on our government has long since passed. So that whole "we're going to fight the tyranny" trope is just a comic book fantasy. We have the most capable military ever, and We the People are no threat to it at all (and if you care to say our loyal military would not go after the people, then whence the tyranny?).

PS A well armed society finds all its problems can be solved with gunfire. That saying you quote is from a work of fiction. Catchy, but nonsense (or do you have a factually sourced citation, with numbers and statistical analysis and such?).

Edit to add: Another quote from that same story: "Naturally food is free! What kind of people do you take us for?”. Are you ready to sign on to that policy?

Come and get 'em ...... May your chains lay lightly...

I don;t want your popguns, but don't for a moment imagine that armed citizens can engage our military. That's why we are allowed some weapons - we are a threat only to each other. IF we really had a tyranny, you wouldn't even know a drone had targeted your cell phone. But durn if you can't fend off the local constabulary and your neighbors.

See you in the comic books!

I have been wondering and asking my friends that are ardent supporters of 2nd amendment rights if they are as committed to the protection of the other amendments as well, notably the First and Fourth. I invariably get blank stares confirming my suspicions that these are not true Americans defending their rights but selfish little children who fear their toys may be taken from them. A real American doesn't pick and choose. We get to bleed equally for all of them.

EXACTLY! They are selfish and self centered haters and bigots.

I suggest everyone read Ruth Ginsburg's opinion on the second amendment and it rights and what she believes it means. I saw the article yesterday. She lays out a very good analysis (balanced) on the gist of the issue.

"Hmm, how do we solve this problem without losing profit and lobbyists?"
"How about mass surveillance?"

The Republicans are SICK! They always use tragic events and shootings to reduce our privacy rights rather than reduce gun rights. They are always anti government and screaming states rights about everything yet are always in hurry to hand the government more power and control over us. Conservatives are hypocritical wack jobs.

Those who believe this is a partisan issue are doomed to lose at the hands of their own saints.

The right hates freedom of speech because it might go against them.

silly, silly comment. McCain is an idiot I'll give you that and his amendment won't go anywhere, but, he's also not a conservative in any respect. The people of Arizona do what most do, they keep voting in the same old, old incumbents.

Pardon Edward Snowdon, he wears a white hat.

Drug tests for our elected officials... and their browsing histories.

How foolish of us all not to realize guns don't kill people Facebook posts kill people.

Responsible people would NEVER let their children grow up as ignorant right wing nuts. But as we all know, you can't fix stupid but maybe we can sterilize them. Heheheheheh Most of them are fat and ignorant so we could easily control the spawning of more ignorant conservative sucklings by neutering wing nut ranks using their rampant inhalation of fast food, sugary sodas and cheap beer as a vehicle.

What can go wrong?

Cruz and Rubio voted yes to advance this ammendment. Paul voted no. Final 58 Yes, 38 No. 3/5 senators didn't vote. Motion was not agreed to (because required 60 yes votes to advance was not achieved). Senate majority leader entered motion to have vote reconsidered. Motion was entered.

I'm okay with this as long as the only people whose privacy they can invade are the people who own guns. I don't own any guns. I'm not a threat, so stay out of my private life. If you want to buy a gun, then you have to allow them to invade your privacy. Fair trade.

Although I support the Second Amendment, I am not a gun nut by far. With that said, the suggestion(s) contained within your comment are utterly ridiculous.

Why didn't the FBI read the e-mails of Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames?

Apparently the writer isn't aware that the Supreme Court just took away our 4th amendment rights; now they CAN get our email data etc. WITHOUT A WARRANT.

The browsing history they can access if given the force of law is what your Internet Service Provider records. It will still take legal grounds to search your computer legally. However police may not see it that way just as they used the right to seize drug related goods to seize virtually anything they want since every dollar in circulation a few times has illegal drugs on it. They could even just steal your smart cell phone and drop it someplace to have a third party find it and turn it into police lost and found where a search is done to identify the owner first, opening up everything on the phone and if equipped with remote use software your PC as well. It is time for Arizona to not re-elect John McCain over this bill.

Republicans coming for my browsing history? They'll be disappointed. It's all hetero-related! /s/

Don't worry they'll find something to use against you.

Freedom of speech is seen as more dangerous and more of a threat to republicans than assault rifles
Let FreeDUMB ring

Oh no! Not my browsing history!?! They may see how I search Amazon for for wireless external hard drives for my mobile devices and groupon for cheap vacations!

Go ahead, get it done already...pound the mind-control / locator chips in our heads to make all our lives a blissful Shangri-La, free from the tiresome stress of always worrying about who the new guy is at work, or what he's doing with that smart-phone. After all, with gov-gov in full control, what can go wrong?