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Ju Sta • 1 month ago

I expected something better for such a famous Charakter

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

How is BS 10 and the ability to fire both his guns twice, or run and shoot and use their profiles in CC and get BS10 Overwatch bad? Granted it's not OP but I bet he would be fun to use.

Threllen • 1 month ago

If ICs with Infiltrate actually granted any squad they join Infiltrate, I would totally use him.

But he's pretty unuseable for Chaos Space Marines right now since there's nothing good to put in a squad with him :-(

I wish there was because I always thought he had some of the coolest rules with the double shooting and the pistols in CC.

Bakvrad • 1 month ago

If you use him along his formation in the old dataslate you get 3 infiltrating chosen units that know no fear as long as they are within 12 inch...

Threllen • 1 month ago

Yeah, but Chosen, in general, are overpriced crap.

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

Team him with Ahriman because his Warlord Trait allows up to 3 units to Infiltrate.

Threllen • 1 month ago

I'd prefer Huron in that case since he's quite a bit cheaper. It's doable but it makes for quite the investment on top of Cypher's 190 points cost himself (which does seem a shade overpriced even if he's still not bad).

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

It's ok, the normal Fallen get Infiltrate in the formation.

no thanks • 1 month ago

STR 7 AP 2 attacks at initiative 8 are nothing to sneeze at, especially not at 190 points. He does lack the "real" durability you'd expect from such a legendary character but his special rules typically mean your opponent is not going to score much off of him.

Overall I'm dissapointed that his retinue got more expensive, but the addition of full BS (10) overwatch is nice but he should have stubborn too if they're giving him DA rules.

Threllen • 1 month ago

BS10 overwatch isn't new. That was in his old dataslate IIRC.

no thanks • 1 month ago

You're correct, surprised I never noticed that before - not that I remember anyone actually charging him in the few games I've played with him. It is buried in the "blazing weapons" rule though which is pretty huge.

BrianDavion • 1 month ago

to score off him an opponent would have to get into "melee ranges" whic is a definate risk

Threllen • 1 month ago

He's essentially got a BS10 plasma gun and boltgun (since he can fire the pistols twice). With shrouded, eternal warrior, infiltrate, etc.

And he's got WS7 with half of his attacks being S7 AP2 in close combat (at initiative).

301stFeinminsterArmoured • 1 month ago

And, if I read the entry correctly, those S7 AP2 attacks do not have Gets Hot!

RanVor • 1 month ago

No, they don't. Neither do his shooting attacks. It's all in the video.

Magnus • 1 month ago

Well with BS10 Get's hot becomes somewhat of a small issue :P

Threllen • 1 month ago

No they do not, which is great.

But he's BS10 so you have a 1/36 chance to get a Gets Hot roll with his shooting anyways so the fact he's using plasma is pretty moot.

Magnus • 1 month ago

Characters tend to not be all that good though. Some are awesome, but most rarely see play.

CrimsonOracle • 1 month ago

After the major rework Celestine got, it's definitely a little disappointing that he and the fallen are nearly unchanged from 6th ed

Threllen • 1 month ago

Him and the Fallen were actually pretty decent already, though. He's got some fun, unique rules. I'm just glad they got rid of all the "fight against Dark Angels" crap from his dataslate which just bloated all the rules.

Bakvrad • 1 month ago

They are still there on another page

Sharrowkyn • 1 month ago

So has he lost infiltrate, hit and run, fleet and ATSNF which were in his data slate?

Adrian • 1 month ago

We are missing the whole left hand side of his profile though, where they'd be listed right? Same with the fallen...

Or have I missed something?!

Mr.Custodes • 1 month ago

No you're right, they're's a peek of another rule there.
Remember, they only show new special rules, like the Fleet and FNP missing on Guilliman.

Demonhunt • 1 month ago

The German version has them all listed

Koth • 1 month ago

Well, unless the sword is no longer a "relic" this isn't all his rules... if i remember... it gave him eternal warrior last time

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

He just has them listed in his Special Rules now.

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

He still has them

MajorNese • 1 month ago

All rules still present. To translate the german USRs listed there:

Die keine Furcht kennen - ATSKNF
Ewiger Krieger - Eternal Warrior
Infiltrieren - AlphaLegioning (or something like that)
Schleier - Shrouded
Sprinten - Fleet
Unabhängiges Charactermodell - independent character
Zurückfallen - Hit and Run

So, essentially a simpler version of his dataslate. Instead of having a sword that only gives him rules, he has those directly listed.

Mağıć Kʀâm • 1 month ago

Alpha Legioning? That's a abdominal awesome term

Sharrowkyn • 1 month ago

Also his sword gave shrouded and eternal warrior!

Mr.Custodes • 1 month ago

We haven't seen the "normal" rules yet. Just the unique special rules. Remember how we didn't know that Guilliman had FNP and Fleet?

Vargist • 1 month ago

They're there in German. A lot of them are easy to work out for an English speaker. :)

Kurt Lewendon • 1 month ago

Zurükfallen is the only one im not sure on. Anyone let me know please?

Kurt Lewendon • 1 month ago

Never mind. I worked it out. Hit and run.

Magnus • 1 month ago

Hit and Run and "Falling back" isn't exactly the same, so yeah I had to get that one explained too :P

Sharrowkyn • 1 month ago

So rules are same as the old data slate then

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

Probably but there's only so much you can do with a guy armed with two pistols and his rules are pretty perfect for him as they are. Only downside to him are his points.

Trillium • 1 month ago

In 40k where many warriors have guns but prefer to fight hand-to-hand, a guy who has a sword but prefers guns even in close quarters is quite refreshing for a change!

Blindfly • 1 month ago

Cypher is like the RPG character of 40k. He's an edgelord and he carries around a sword that he doesn't even use because it helps min/max his stats with those rules it provides. Also when he "dies" he escapes to fight another day aka respawns. I think 40k is the matrix

Trillium • 1 month ago

At least he doesn't teleport behind enemies and stab/shoot them saying "Nothing personal"...

Benderisgreat • 1 month ago

He doesn't respawn, he just doesn't count for victory points.

Blindfly • 1 month ago

Taking this too literally, thinking of this through a RPG scope.

Benderisgreat • 1 month ago

Even in video game terms it's not a respawn, he just disappears and doesn't count for points.

Blindfly • 1 month ago

You're mistaking my analogies for miscomprehending the rules for him as written.

Ok another example: In Pokémon when you "die" you black out and wake up at a poke center. Because it's a kids game they don't say die but it's the exact same mechanic as most other games. Yes he doesn't get to come back that game, but the point is narratively that he lives to fight another day. The exact same.

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

Well, to be fair that sword is too big for him to wield effectively and is "possibly" still broken? (I'm not big on DA fluff)

Jonathan Lees • 1 month ago

And I just started working on painting a squad of chaos bikes and a couple CSM... I better pick up my speed so I don't shelf him too long before I start painting him.

Titus • 1 month ago
Titus • 1 month ago

Posted by Badtucker on Atia's site.

DAMO.R (the real one) • 1 month ago

And now Cypher doesn't have to worry about his Fallen buddies not gaining Infiltrate.