Gene,

Some questions for you:.

If Obama’s deal is such a bad one in the eyes of Bibi, why isn’t Abbas Araqchi jumping through hoops to sign off on it?

If Obama’s deal only delays the progress to a bomb, what are the Iranian’s really negotiating about?

If Iran chooses not to sign off on the deal, what should we learn?

Tell me what you think this deal will achieve if it’s signed off:

1) Give a green light to a nuclear armed Iran.

2) Give a red/amber light to a nuclear armed Iran.

3) Give a red light to a nuclear armed Iran.

This assumes the US traffic lights work like mine in Blighty, of course!

I really can't answer any of your questions unless there is a deal; and, if there is a deal, what kind of deal it is.

BTW, this has been doing the rounds : https://twitter.com/Partisa...

It's a lie. It happened a couple of years ago, not in response to Netenyahu's speech.

She's an Assad apologist and a fount of misinformation and lies and antisemitism.

http://www.thedailybeast.co...

Thanks, Gene, for linking to the speech. I've never heard Netanyahu performing before. A superb, inspiring address in Churchillian style. Obama can't compete. I'll bet he's smarting.

An other excellent article

More reactions from the American Jewish Community:

"How Bibi's Speech Raises Stakes for All of U

Editorial

http://forward.com/articles...

I doubt that any of this tendentious stuff will bother Bibi. He will win the election without too much trouble.

IMHO.

Here is a speech assessment by a Netanyahu supporter:

"Netanyahu’s Speech Didn’t Surprise. Its Consequences Might.
Netanyahu spoke effectively, if predictably. But what impact will he have?"

By Yair Rosenberg

http://tabletmag.com/scroll...

"

In the long-term, however, there is another
impact to consider: the broader toll on US-Israel ties, both when it
comes to Democrats and the current administration. Will the Obama team
still move to defend Israel as vigorously in international forums like
the United Nations? Will a bipartisan Congress pass newly proposed
legislation hamstringing the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement
by requiring overseas trade deals be conditioned on the boycott’s
rejection? Or will support for these and other initiatives flag in the
face of Netanyahu’s address?

None of these questions have clear answers...."

Why would the Israeli Prime Minister antagonize his American supporters?

It is this behavior that makes him (and his party) an existential threat to Israel.

"Why would the Israeli Prime Minister antagonize his American supporters? It is this behavior that makes him (and his party) an existential threat to Israel."

Let's wait and see whether the Israeli electorate concurs with this specious proposition.

The electorate of any country is not an infallible beast.

The proof of Netanyahu's existential threat will become evident over time.

I hope I am wrong, and unlike you I can't just pretend that Netanyahu's is the best thing to have happened to the Jewish people since Moses.

That is not my view.

But I see no viable alternative.

Perhaps you can suggest one.

FLG, I am aware of the history of the American Israel relation.

The US didn't endorse Israel as an ally till after the 67 war.

It wasn't ideology but power and reliability that made Israel a valuable ally to the US.

The power is still there but under Netanyahu Israel isn't seen as reliable as they once did.

Because of Netanyahu's myopia (thinking only about a single threat Israel faces with Iran) it's unable to focus on the assemblage of threats to Israel from Radical Sunni Islam, from the Palestinians and from the Arabs in Europe which is already influencing the way that Continent deals with Israel.

Then there are the internal socio- economic problems which is another kind of threat.

Of course it can.

What it can not sustain is the kind of condescension Netanayhu dished out.

What worries me as much as Netanyahu is the kind of mindless support he is getting from "friends of Israel" here.

They see critics of Netanuahu the way the old "anti-Communist right wing" saw any criticism of McCarthy and Nixon.

Projection.

You got the vocabulary but you keep misapplying it.

Just got this from the ruling party's propaganda machine: 'Churchill would be proud of this speech. I too am proud of Netanyahu'.

So it was about stopping Iran. Sure.

"So why don't you British people get off your high colonialist horse"

Don't despair. There are still people here who defend Israel and fewer I hope now that the country is waking up to the war it is fighting, a war you have always been fighting.

Your link deserves more interest. "Ad Standards ban ad on Jerusalem because it's not Israel"

It beggars belief.

The black block? Is that the Nation of Islam?

Nation of Islam, Islamic State, the Islamic Republic - one would guess they all had a common root(?)

vildechaye: You are becoming a parody of yourself. There is so much to comment on in this thread yet for your first comment you pick out the one person you have been harassing and intimidating with a gestapo-esque zeal (won't your parents be proud) for about two weeks now, with an irrelevant comment so that you can have another opportunity to call me real stupid. Your obsession is interesting.

Mark Levin states that the members of the Black Caucus in Congress applauded.

Watch the video. Several Black people are present, in the semicircular rows of seats; were these people not Representatives nor Senators?

Nevertheless most of them have pro-Israel voting records.

Most of those who stayed away from the speech are supporters of Israel. I hope the Israeli media have made that clear.

Mark Levin http://therightscoop.com/ma...

As I wrote yesterday, the MSM is out in full force to protect Obama. Push-polls, pseudo-fact-checking. It's all there. Barack hath decreed it.

It is beginning to sound like a cult. The 'dear leader' makes a statement, and all his little minions nod in agreement.

According to Pelosi, Netanyahu insulted the collective American intelligence. Aside from whether that is factual or not, how low can an elected US official stoop to make this comment about an elected head of state of another country? Does Pelosi ever criticize the deluge of foreign petty dictators that she visits or who visit her? What did Pelosi have to say about Bashar Assad when she paid him a visit in Damascus? Such hatred and bigotry displayed by Pelosi is nauseating.

Ah yes that towering intellect Pelosi, I remember her telling us that the Qataris had said that Hamas were not extreme and was wondering if they could be persuaded to help out over the most recent Gaza conflict.

She insults the intelligence of a brick.

Overleaf, why be in the least surprised? Pelosi herself is a walking insult.

The pelosi types have been swimming in their master's swamp for so long, that the words which they constantly hear in that bubble have become their 'norm'. They have no inkling how they sound once they step out of that bubble.

It really is no different from very young tots who come up with swear words. They could only have heard them at home.

Arab Commentators Strongly Back Netanyahu on Congress Speech, Iran Nuclear Threat:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2...

“I am very glad of Netanyahu’s firm stance and [his decision] to speak against the nuclear agreement at the American Congress despite the Obama administration’s anger and fury,” Al-Faraj wrote. “I believe that Netanyahu’s conduct will serve our interests, the people of the Gulf, much more than the foolish behavior of one of the worst American presidents.”

Surely not Barack Hussein Obama?

Someone who manages to piss of both Jews and Muslims to the extent that they can agree is indeed a rare animal.

I think it might be a first.

But not all muslims. He is partial to the extremists amongst them: the shia millenarian ayatollahs, as well as the sunni muslim brotherhood caliphate-promoters.

There have been one or two North American Jews that regularly post on this forum that claim the external dangers to Israel is exaggerated or a figment of others imagination. I notice they have yet to comment on this thread to repeat their assertions.

vildechaye: "you really enjoy talking out your arse, don't you?"

Again there is no engagement with my comment, just crude abuse. Your campaign of harassment and intimidation seems endless. Will your parents be proud that they have raised what could be mistaken as a Nazi for a son?

It is instructive to note that from the comments on this thread you have made so far (three our of four abusing me), you are more interested in harassing me than commenting on the welfare of Israel.

I share this sentiment with you. Vilde. can be quite abusive and when he is short on argument appeals to this mode of exchange. He is also known for stalking. He is a core leftwinger, but due to his loyalty to Israel, he can't just let go and attack people who have an anti-left outlook, as they are generally pro-Israel. If it were not for Israel, Vilde. would be frequenting Daily Kos where he belongs, not here.

Elsewhere in another thread he seems to suggest that he believes that the external threats to Israel are exaggerated or imaginary. I didn't get the impression he was interested in hearing the concerns of Israeli Jews. So at this point in time it is unclear to me how far his "loyalty" to Israel stance extends in reality.

I get the impression that many if not the overwhelming majority of contributors to this forum are not Israeli Jews, but an assortment of individuals from different geographical locations (Europe & N. America perhaps predominating) & Jews and non-Jews alike. I am also seeing various forms of different partisanships but haven't yet worked out all the different positions and sides being taken.

There have been one or two North American Jews that regularly post on this forum that claim the external dangers to Israel is exaggerated or a figment of others imagination.
File under: For a kibbitzer no bet is too risky.

A bad deal would tie Israels hands in fighting Iran's Nuclear program.

We have many other options other than direct war for sabotaging the Iranian Nuclear program.

Mossad and IDF still have many trick up their sleeves. When we said "Never again" we meant it.

As I've indicated in previous posts, I'm in favor of sabotaging Iran's nuclear program. None other than Barack Obama helped speed up the Stuxnet program.

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