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If anyone see this as "blasphemy" are you reading any books of Srila Prabhupada? Maybe put down the journey home book and pick up a Srimad Bhagawatam,or for those with "less time" pick up Brahmacharya in Krishna Consciousness by Bhakti Vikasa Swami, and turn to Brahmacharya reader (quotes from Srimad Bhagawatam and Srila Prabhupada) I think you will learn a lot about Vedic civilization and the meaning of sanyasi. Or just look of how Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was strict with people in renounced order of life who had any contact with women.
Sue me about what? Sue me about my claim that sannyasis should not have short chats with women daily?
And scumbag is who exactly? Everybody who doesn't agree with your ridiculous ideas?
Tell your guru that he should teach you how to lead polite discussion with devotees who are more than 25 years in this movement. I've never seen Sivarama Swami use words like "moron", "twisted headed dirtbag" and "scumbag". Now, you find yourself qualified, after using such words, to tell me that I am "offensive". Please cook your lunch and send your husband to discuss with me.
I recommend you get yourself A Brahmacarya reader there you will find lots of quotes from Srila Prabhupada and Srimad Bhagavatam about this issue so you can quickly show Shastric facts. http://www.bvks.com/books/b...
First of wall, calling other people morons and twisted-headed dirtbag just because they don't agree on your definition of sannyasi asrama shows serious lack of PR abilities.
Sannyasis have no business doing daily chat about practical issues with their female secretaries. We don't find Bhaktisiddhanta doing daily short chats with women. And we don't find such behaviour in Srila Prabhupada.
What happens when all other sannyasis and brahmacaries start having "short chats about practical issues"? So, it's bad example.
Feel free to continue with such practice, and I am feeling free to disagree with such behaviour.
Something is wrong in my head? That's because I read Bhagavad-gita:
There are so many rules and regulations to be followed in the renounced order of life. Most important of all, a sannyāsī is strictly forbidden to have any intimate relationship with a woman. He is even forbidden to talk with a woman in a secluded place. Lord Caitanya was an ideal sannyāsī, and when He was at Purī His feminine devotees could not even come near to offer their respects. They were advised to bow down from a distant place. This is not a sign of hatred for women as a class, but it is a stricture imposed on the sannyāsī not to have close connections with women. One has to follow the rules and regulations of a particular status of life in order to purify his existence. For a sannyāsī, intimate relations with women and possession of wealth for sense gratification are strictly forbidden. The ideal sannyāsī was Lord Caitanya Himself, and we can learn from His life that He was very strict in regards to women. (BG 16.3p)
So, Prabhupāda says we can learn from Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Read my lips: SANNYASI CAN'T HAVE FEMALE SECRETARY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. Prabhupada didn't have women as personal secretaries in any shape or form. Neither anybody else in our disciplic succession. This is imagination by Sivarama Swami and few others.
Look at yourself, after 25 years of devotional service, you are not able to provide a single quote from Prabhupada for your claims. Rather, you are talking about my balls. Is this is how chaste and shy woman behaves?
I am not afraid of you, and I am not afraid of your henpecked husband, if he had any control over you, he wouldn't allow you to have "daily chats" with sannyasis and you wouldn't behave in a manner as you are behaving. So, you are frustrated feminist woman who doesn't have any manners. And chatting daily with sannyasis makes you feel happy and important. Well, let me tell you, chatting with your own husband should be enough for you if you are chaste and shy.
In his books, Srila Prabhupada used term chaste and shy in relation to women over 1000 times. You are neither chaste, and you are not shy at all, because you are insulting other men as soon as you start speaking.
And, you just provoked me to make series of articles about your guru and his sannyasi practices.
Sannyasi should not chat with woman for 15 years for any reason. Quotes you provided are about anger, not about sannyasi-women association:
According to Vedic civilization, one's association with women should be very much restricted. In spiritual life there are four āśramas—brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. The brahmacārī, vānaprastha and sannyāsī are completely forbidden to associate with women. Only gṛhasthas are allowed to associate with women under certain very much restricted conditions—that is, one associates with women to propagate nice children. Other reasons for association are condemned. (CC Madhya 22.88-90p)
Anyway, you explained your side of story, your comments will stay so that devotees can see your side of story.
Dear Krisztina Danka, lets see, how sruti-smriti-puranadi-. pancaratra-vidhim vina. aikantiki harer bhaktir. utpatayaiva kalpate. [BRS 1.2.101]“Devotional service of the Lord that ignores the authorized Vedic literatures like the Upaniṣads, Purāṇas and Nārada-pañcarātra is simply an unnecessary disturbance in society.”
Your daily contact with SANNYASI ruin whole wedic tradition. SANNYASI is position in varnasrama-dharma and for this asrama exist norms of behavior.
CC Antya 2.117
prabhu kahe, — “vairāgī kare prakṛti sambhāṣaṇadekhite nā pāroṅ āmi tāhāra vadana
The Lord replied, “I cannot tolerate seeing the face of a person who has accepted the renounced order of life but who still talks intimately with a woman.
Purport: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura comments that saralatā, or simplicity, is the first qualification of a Vaiṣṇava, whereas duplicity or cunning behavior is a great offense against the principles of devotional service. As one advances in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one must gradually become disgusted with material attachment and thus become more and more attached to the service of the Lord. If one is not factually detached from material activities but still proclaims himself advanced in devotional service, he is cheating. No one will be happy to see such behavior.
I suggest show this page to Sivarama Swami. Let he comment on:
1 Your Behaviour during this discussion. Whether he was pleased such Behaviour of his students? 2 What Swami thinks about SANNYASI daily contact with female. Is this the right example for society?
IT would be better, if Swami Sivarama apologized for the impropriety in form of illicit communication with female and promised never do this. It will be fair.
For you better communicate with maharadja through your husband. It is not prohibited. what difficulty to follow Fundamental Principles for Initiated Devotees?
Krisztina, or Krishna lila devi dasi
1 my initiated name is Anandapurna das, name of my guru is Caitanya Candra Caran dasa, disciple of Jayapataka Swami you can talk to him through your husband. I am not one of those Ritviks rascals, I am ISKCON member.
2 Yes, my English needs some serious polishing, I am from Ukraine, English not my native language
3 It's a pity that having a Bhakti-Shastri as well as a PhD in Vaishnava Sacred Literature you have not learned:
Sannyasis should be served by brahmacaries.Women can cook for sannyasi, clean his room, but they can't communicate daily with sannyasi and be in his association.That is deviation.Even married man should not communicate with another man's wife, and this not "twisting the shastras according", this is shastra.
mātrā svasrā duhitrā vānāviviktāsano bhavetbalavān indriya-grāmovidvāṁsam api karṣati
I can not believe that in ISKCON there are no brahmacaries who can be a secretary for guru-sannyasi.
4 You are right, for "those Ritviks rascals who are just out there desperately looking for crap to put their noses in"your behaviour is good issue.
5 About "basic common sense"I am working for software company with lot of girls. I ask my demoniac Colleagues,what they think about "monk have the female secretary". Even atheists find it strange.
6 In your country it is norm for sannyasi have two female secretarys:Manjari devi dasiKrishna lila devi dasi
In my country it is norm for sannyasi dance with a woman in karmic clothes and sing karmic songthis is a good attempt convert revolutionary spiritual preaching movement to insignificant part of Vagina-licking civilization
yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas tat tad evetaro janaḥsa yat pramāṇaṃ kurute lokas tad anuvartate
7 Prabhupada: Topless, bottomless. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham kanduyanenakarayor iva duhkha-duhkham, trpyanti neha krpana bahu-duhkha-bhajah. Bahu-duhkha-bhajah.Krpana. The rascals. Krpana means non-brahmana, without any spiritual knowledge. They are neversatisfied, the vagina business. Trpyanti neha krp— although it is followed by so much miserablecondition—bahu-duhkha-bhajah kandutivan manasijam visaheta dhirah. One who is dhira, sober, hetolerates little itching sensation: "What this nonsense?" And if you practice toleration, there will beno more. Finished. You become liberated. Therefore, from the very beginning of life, childhood, thisteach him, that "Don't be a vagina-smelling animal." Brahmacari. Brahmacari guru-grhe vasandantah. To learn how to control the senses, that is brahmacari. Where is that civilization? Soestablish. Give them food. Give them shelter. Give them knowledge. That is para-upakara, doingwelfare to others. But don't be entangled in vagina civilization. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham.It is most abominable civilization, tuccham, condemned civilization.[February 25, 1977, Mayapura]
Now you see. Where all these problems are coming from. She has a PHD in Vaisnava literature. Why is that people who have PHD's in Vedic studies from mundane universities always create disturbances in Vaishnava Society? Because their heart get polluted by listening to their professors. I think we have to redefine PHD - Permanently Head Damaged....
Prabhupada gave us mission to defeat those people, not to take instruction from them.
Especially the demons in the Indology department. They do more harm than any scientist have done...
So, now you claim that Prabhupada communicated with his female disciples on daily basics for extended time? :D Nice fairy tale.
Prabhupada was travelling all the time, and since women didn't travel with him, I find it hard to believe that he had long conversations with particular female disciple for extended period of time. It's not physically possible since all his servants and secretaries were male.
If Prabhupada traveled around India for a few months with a crew of 10 devotees, few of them being women, that doesn't really count as intimate association. Chatting alone with Swami for 15 years is improper and trying to pin it to Prabhupada is really crazy idea.
Dear Krisztina mataji, I am ISKCON member and follower of His Holiness Bhakti Vikasa Swami maharaja. Did you read his book “Mothers and Masters”? Srila Prabhupada was so clearly against “women’s liberation”
Prabhupada: They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated, coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage. They distribute pills. I have seen the boys and girls dancing together, embracing, in the school film. That ruins the career. Both of them are ruined. That is very regrettable. Then you shall require this sterilization, pills, another big program. They are creating animal civilization, and when the animals are disturbing, they are trying to find out some other means. This is their program. First of all create animals. Then, when the animals behave like animals, then another program. Why do you create animal? Woman brahmacarini, this is artificial.Tamala Krsna: In our centers, though, there are so many brahmacarinis, and even sometimes they’re encouraged to remain brahmacarini.Prabhupada: That they cannot. As soon as they will find opportunity, they will become vyabhicarini [sexually deviated]. For woman, protection.(April 29, 1977)
Following rules of etiquette is an indicator of level of culture of any society these rules are eternal and to follow them is obligatorily for everybody.
Yes, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada came in USA alone and nobody except him can not teach first students.And you are really consider that this standarts mast be forever? For whom Prabhupada wrote his books
niṣkiñcanasya bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasyapāraḿ paraḿ jigamiṣor bhava-sāgarasyasandarśanaḿ viṣayiṇām atha yoṣitāḿ cahā hanta hanta viṣa-bhakṣaṇato 'py asādhu
Greatly lamenting, the Lord then informed Sarvabhauma Bhaṭṭacarya, “ ‘Alas, for a person who is seriously desiring to cross the material ocean and engage in the transcendental loving service of the Lord without material motives, seeing a materialist engaged in sense gratification or seeing a woman who is similarly interested is more abominable than drinking poison willingly.(Cc. Madhya 11.8)
Hey Krrrrisztiiinaaa, where are You?Did your memories come back and You are not able to handle it?1st husband! 2nd husband= lovely story!!!!!!!!! 3rd husband= Hulk?