Citation needed. When did anyone in Black Lives Matter specifically advocate killing cops, or even condone it?

Or did they pull this one out of the same place they pulled the "Sandra Fluke wants taxpayers to pay for her birth control" BS?

What does "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em (nice English) like bacon" mean to you or anybody you associate with that bears the same low IQ

Black Lives Matter, by their own definition, is a collective and has no leaders. Therefore, those in the movement inciting violence are speaking for the movement. Can't have it both ways.

The right wing don't need no stinkin' citations!

same butt. Ailes can hold quite a few

They heard it here in this video which was also shown on Fox but edited out of what MM presented to you, perhaps because it was part of a different segment.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.c...

Did the protesters chant it or not? You were there. I have been to numerous contract rallies( I have a been a union member for 18 years), political rallies and picket lines.often people get caught up in the moment. I was holding signs for Liz Warren and had to watch the Scot Brown supporters do the tomahawk chop mocking Warren's alleged Indian heritage. I wouldn't hold that against all supporters of Scot Brown

It never is. They are always misunderstood. I saw you.

I think they have a reason. But I also think they have picked a horrendously self destructive way to respond to it. They need a leader and what an unparalleled pity it is, don't you think, that the first black President ever plays golf while his brethren turn back the clock on race relations by 2 decades.

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a lot easier."

- worst President ever, George W. Bush

Are you angry because race relations haven't been turned back 160 years?

You know, y'all criticize white people 24/7 and then screech racism every single time anyone questions anything coming out of the black community. Why doesn't that make you feel uncomfortable about yourself?

You sir, have no empathy. You don't care, and that's evident.

What can you buy with empathy? Better education? Better clothes? A get-out-of-jail-free card? What does it cost to provide empathy?

you're just proving his point but you are stupid and lack empathy, and that, at your age, I am sure cannot be fixed...
and not worth my time...so I'll save it for someone who can think and cares about humanity (and not just the racist white part )

Its not that I lack empathy. I had tons of empathy for a family member who was hooked on opiates. The empathy got him nowhere. Made it worse, in fact because it excused and enable the destructive behavior. Then he was administered an intense dose of tough, row-your-own-damned-boat-or-sleep-under-a-bridge style love and he is doing quite well now. We have hope. And so does he.

You are also not that bright. Racism and Conservatism are usually the province of the viciously stupid. Peer-reviewed research backs this up.

The fact that "empathy" in you is dead speaks volumes. Empathy is the first step to understanding, let alone 'doing something about', a problem outside of yourself or your group.

Jim, the reason you can't understand these major racial issues is that you're dead at the starting gate.

See my response to suetriggers and reconsider.

Where is it? Link?

It was like three comments up the thread

Jim Bean suetiggers • 8 hours ago

Its not that I lack empathy. I had tons of empathy for a family member who was hooked on opiates. The empathy got him nowhere. Made it worse, in fact because it excused and enable the destructive behavior. Then he was administered an intense dose of tough, row-your-own-damned-boat-or-sleep-under-a-bridge style love and he is doing quite well now. We have hope. And so does he. see more 1

"...first black President ever plays golf while his brethren turn back the clock..."

Yeah, sooo not interested in gaining perspective. I'm sure there's dozens of comments where he's accusing POTUS of being the divider in chief or flaming racial tensions.

There are lots of ethnic groups in this country. All interact harmoniously except one. I'd like to see that resolved.

Think about that for second, assuming you're correct. How did the ancestors of today's Americans of African heritage arrive on this continent? Did they decide to emigrate from the land of their birth, as the English & Irish & Scottish & German & Czech & Chinese & Vietnamese did? No, they were kidnapped and shipped here like cargo and treated like commodities. Maybe that, and the hundreds of years of forced servitude and imprisonment and abuse is why people have had enough. It didn't end with the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation and institutional racism didn't end with the signing of the Civil Rights Act. And many aspects of slave-like mechanisms still exist, such as the lop-sided justice system that black people have to contend with, and voter ID laws which are total bullshit designed to keep minorities and anyone else who might lean Democratic from voting. And #BlackLivesMatter is a movement, it's a declaration that black lives NOW matter, when historically in this country, black lives have NOT mattered. That isn't a political position, it's a fact. It is NOT designed to drive ANYONE to go out and murder police. It's designed to stop the police from murdering black citizens. It's also seems to have struck a nerve with the racists in this country who don't want things to change, EVER.

Beware, Scairp: trying to engage Jimbo in reasonable discourse can be deleterious to your well-being. I thought that common sense and facts, such as you've employed in the above post, would be useful in a give-and-take with Mr B. I discovered that this is NOT the case, and in fact after a few exchanges with this execrable intractable ideologue I could feel my IQ being pulled down.

I'm better now. :-D

Yes, I can see. ; )

i didn't say I was "good"; I just said I was "better"...

The risk of a black being murdered by a cop is miniscule and virtually non-existent if he doesn't start a confrontation with the cop trying to detain him.

The risk of a black being murdered by another black however, is quite high - 15 times higher than any other demographic.

If the BlackLivesMatter was really about what it claims, it would be protesting black behavior, not police behavior. That would most assuredly save more black lives.

Every black slave descendent here today is far better off than if his ancestors had been left in their native land. They've got no personal claim to residual damages from slavery. Just the opposite, in fact. They owe a debt of gratitude.

As I said to someone earlier, white folks like me had nothing to do with slavery and don't feel any obligation to do penance for it. Likewise, you were never a slave and are entitled to nothing in the form of reparations.

I could go and refute all of your points one by one, but I have better things to do with my time. And I hate to break it to you, but you benefit from generations of white privilege and you never had to lift a finger. Same deal with slavery, ALL were responsible.

I spent three quarters of my working life doing heavy labor jobs alongside many blacks who worked just as hard and who received equal reward.

You're doing yourself a disservice by thinking something is owed you today because of something that happened nearly 150 years before you were born because it ain't never coming. But its your life. Make what you will.

You don't get it and you clearly never will. The world is not just, and simply because you have an anecdote about hard working black people making the same money, (as good as white, eh?!), isn't proof rampant racism and unprovoked brutality by police isn't real. The gains made are not even close to bringing equality to blacks. And for the record, dude, I'm a white woman born in Kentucky, and I say your full of it.

and I'm an older white woman in Baltimore and I agree with you Scairp 100%
but he's such an idiot, he is so not worth my time...
even if he's not honest enough (and/or smart enough) to know it, he IS an angry, racist old white guy

And I say you are correct that the world is not just. As for racism, its not an exclusively white phenomenon.

No one is arguing it is exclusively a white phenomenon you clown...as it is not germane to the point....but nice try at trying "hey...but both sides!!!!!"

Actually you cunt....something IS OWED to African Americans for the way they have been and continue to be treated by clowns such as yourself. This nation and the general social/economic position of white people did not fucking happen off the mere strength of white ingenuity.....or your "Christian values". Funny how you mouth breathers have absolutely no problem with other wronged people recieving reparations for the terrible things done to them...but doing the right thing for African Americans is a bridge to far......

You are way overestimating the role of slavery in your dilemma.

http://www.bbc.com/news/wor...

Actually, no....I am not.....slaverly it's little brother Jim Crow...and the economic/social red-lining of black/brown people to this very day effectively robs those aforementioned people of wealth generation. There is a reason why on average white families have an over-all wealth that exceeds that of black and brown people by close to 100%. All of which is DIRECTLY linked to slavery. It was slavery that made these ongoing issues possible.....
....and I what the fuck did you hope to achieve by posting a link about S.Africa?

You also need to check your math. Remembering that Black people didn't even get to vote (widely, because although the 15th amendment gave the right on paper, there were so many clauses that only 3% of blacks were allowed to vote) until the 60's (after the 24th amendment made it a much easier process - and it's HORRIBLE that more people do not take advantage of that privilege afforded to all Americans) and lived in places where they were segregated in schools, communities also in the 60's and that's only been 50 years. Listen, I can't give you a history, and sociological lesson here but just with those two examples you can see clearly this is not something that was 150 years ago. @Scairp has made a cogent argument to your comments and it affords me little pleasure to go off on another long soliloquy to impart knowledge to you. You may very well have worked with blacks that earned the same as you, but I will tell you with all due respect that is NOT always the case (nor is it for women). You, sir, have been afforded privilege and are probably quite unaware of it - lucky you. Everyone has not had it so well. We ALL must make of our lives what we will, but every black mother tells her child you have to work TWICE as hard as a white man to get HALF of what he gets. Many are empowered by that truth, some give up. ..... ooops, i'm going on and on.... For myself, I don't expect any special treatment - I've never had any yet, but I at least recognize that there IS something owed because the playing field is not LEVEL - don't believe me? Resume bias: black sounding names don't get called back at the same rate. PERIOD. watch this: http://www.upworthy.com/dan...

I do believe there is bias. But I don't the bias come them learning about slavery and Jim Crow.

we have a disconnect here - this is not about LEARNING about slavery and Jim Crow. It is embedded in the culture from the history that includes slavery and Jim Crow.

As I've said elsewhere, it isn't things embedded in culture from history that causes the black child to make the decision to drop out of high school, after which, his future prospects are dismal at best.

here's where you and I will have to agree to disagree. (i have moved on, and I'm sure you have too). Perhaps my economy of words is not conveying my meaning very well, but INDEED the culture that grew from that history DOES contribute to that decision. NOBODY in my family would make that decision, but all black people have not shared the same experience. But I believe I was not talking about drop outs, but about those who actually finish school and then are not afforded equality on something as benign as their name. But I'm all talked out. I get it - the problem lies within the individual. how bout them Dodgers...

As a White person I'm an offendend by your comments. You are an effing idiot if you believe half the crap you've written. There I can't waste any more time on an idiot like you.

"Every black slave descendent here today is far better off than if his ancestors had been left in their native land. They've got no personal claim to residual damages from slavery. Just the opposite, in fact. They owe a debt of gratitude."

I find this statement utterly disgusting. Black people owe a "debt of gratitude" for 400 years of enduring cattle slavery, rape, pillaging, followed thereafter by murder without justice, segregation, mistreatment, discrimination, and more? -- How dare you?!

You are such a major know nothing. You imply that black people would be living worse off in their native homelands if it weren't for their "liberation" by becoming (and being treated as sub-human) slaves to white masters? Do you not have any idea how many of the nations in Africa came to be in the state they are in today? Africa had a major disadvantage due to the pillaging of its resources and due to a large population being removed and transported to foreign lands. Not all of Africa is what you think or believe it is either for you to even ponder that black people outside of Africa should somehow be grateful for being forcibly removed. You're completely ignorant...in fact, you can take your white saviour attitude and shove it far up your rear orfice!

"Black people owe a "debt of gratitude" for 400 years of enduring cattle slavery, rape, pillaging, followed thereafter by murder without justice, segregation, mistreatment, discrimination, and more? -- How dare you?!" Easy. YOU weren't in the group and don't get to include that in your injustice collection, and given the chance, they would not go back to the motherland. Regardless of what caused their failure to launch, those countries are what they are.

You can think whatever you want of me but you/they still need to stop thinking about how you/they 'feel' long enough to at least understand how WE 'feel' because we have an influence on your/their outcomes as you/they are incessantly reminding us. Most of us don't feel pity when you/they pretend to be walking arm and arm with people that have been dead for 100 years. We feel disgust.

http://www.therichest.com/b...

"Most of us don't feel pity when you/they pretend to be walking arm and arm with people that have been dead for 100 years. We feel disgust."

It wasn't that long ago when the civil rights movement was fought. There are people STILL alive today have gone through the maltreatment (which can still be seen today, and its effects are still rippling throughout the generations -- Yes, the effects have been passed down which is a concept your thick head cannot comprehend). Parents and grandparents can tell their stories of the harsh racism and discrimination they have endured...Ruby Bridges, the first black child sent to integrate an all-white school in Louisiana was sent death threats at 5 years old. Her family endured discrimination and job loss....she's 60 years old today.

I don't get the point of your link....you think because they are black in those countries they are therefore inherently and genetically predisposed to being poor? "No global or economic injustices here to see folks,just black people...being black" *eye roll*

https://www.youtube.com/wat... (because you like to throw out links that you believe to prove your ignorant viewpoints).

And YOU and your ilk disgust me.

You're last line it the epitome of racism.

The 'effects rippling through the generations' is the result of people cultivating and fueling the hatred because they think they can get something out of it and that they can use it excuse a behavior they shouldn't have engaged it. IMO