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Brandy Danforth • 8 years ago

I mostly like the schedule-Reign on Fri( which I expected), VD/TO Thurs( TO will have the best chance at keeping VDs audience)& Crazy Ex/Jane should be compatible.My only gripe is using the best leadin on new shows,they put IZombie and old SPN

Brandy Danforth • 8 years ago

UpDate:On Tues Aug 18 CBS released/confirmed Thier shows episodes orders & Reign has 22.Also,Feb 10,2015 on Take 5 Productions( one of the Candain companies that co produces Reign & BbatB) confirmed Reign got 22 episodes saying"Reign was renewed for a full 22episode third season in Jan".

My belef on what will or should happen at midseason:WLIIA replaces ANTM when it finishes its cycle,Reign stays on Fri the whole season.(I personally & strongly feel that if CW wanted to air Reign in summer,they would've given it 13 episodes & moved it there instead of a full season and starting in fall).I don't think Crazy Ex or IZombie get backorders and they get replaced with SPN moving to Mon at 9& Jane moving an earlier,and Legends,Containment take post Flash,post Arrow slots ( male skewing shows all of them plus CW should use thier two higgest rated shows/bestvleadins on new shows)with The 100 being moved to summer(Pedowitz did say some shows would move to summer,with The 100linited episode seasons& serialized nature a un interrupted d summer run seems ideal).I don't belive Vampire Thurs will break up at midseason either.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

They actually Gave Reign 22?!?! Wow

Good analysis. I wouldn't be surprised to see something to this effect. Thanks for the comment!

Brandy Danforth • 8 years ago

UpDate: Aug 29 spoilertv revealed yesterday Reign has a 18 episode third season

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

18? That seems kind of random.

Brandy Danforth • 8 years ago

Yeah as Radom as Nikita's six episode fourth season or The 100 16 episodes second & third season.I think it's so they can put The 100 or possibly Containment there at midseason and cut Reigns budget yet still be close to 70 episodes at the end if the season(Reign will have 62 episodes & Nikita,HoD ended in the low 70 as I suspect BatB will) so it'll only need 8-13 episodes to be 70 or over in s4 for short syndication.
Edit:Pedowitz did say in Jan when he renewed everything almost that some shows would have shorter seasons,some shows would move to summer or midseason & in Aug at TCS Summer that some shows might take breaks,He's said that Legends might have more than 13 and at point it was 15/16

Guest • 8 years ago
Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Actually, they were done in May! I did ABC, while Alan did NBC and FOX. Thing is, they got less than half the traffic that the most recent ones did. I unfortunately got too busy to do CBS and CW then, but I wrote these and figured better late than never. So glad I did them!

Anyways, I think if you use the search bar up top you should be able to find them. I'm also debating republishing them on days where we don't have articles planned. Thanks for the interest.

tommie • 8 years ago

They did pick up Cordon though - only it's renamed Containment and will air in the midseason ;)

I think they're trying to make sure iZombie has a loyal audience of 0.6-0.8 until they dare to move it - giving it another half of a season behind The Flash might help them establish that. I suspect it'll be moved to make room for either Containment or Legends of Tomorrow (although, I could see the later ending up on Thursday) come midseason. Also, both iZombie and The Flash being DC properties might've helped it staying put.

Reign will most likely get a fourth season, bad ratings be damned! If they can drag Beauty and the Beast to 70 episodes (and possibly more?), then they'll do the same thing for Reign even if season three is only 13 episodes (as rumoured).

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Dang name changes are messing with what I thought was picked up :). Thanks for that correction.

That's a good point about iZombie, I simply can't see it staying on Tuesday for a full season though with those numbers. I think Legends of Tomorrow will take over, with The Vampire Diaries staying on Thursday.

Where did you hear Reign may only get 13 episodes? I'd be curious to know.

tommie • 8 years ago

Someone found Reign's filming dates on the Canadian Actors Union site and they only have it listed as being filmed between July-December. This could be explained of course as them taking a winter break and the dates for the spring 2016 filming has simply just not been released. But a shortened order could make sense, considering how packed their schedule is.

Pedowitz have made comments earlier about how they want their spin-offs to stay independently from each other, of course, this was before he paired up The Vampire Diaries and the Originals. However, considering how strong both Arrow and The Flash have been at anchoring their respective nights, do they really want to waste another potential anchor behind The Flash? If anything, I see them trying to give Containment the strong lead-in and try to see if Legends can stand by itself.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Maybe, but if Legends underperforms anchoring Thursdays, could it be too late to try to salvage it? I think it would be best to premiere it after The Flash and keep it there for a little bit, but maybe that's just me.

tommie • 8 years ago

They could always do a double-whammy - premiere it after The Flash then move it in the Thursday time slot two days later since they have 15 (?) episodes ordered of it. I guess it depends if they'll do a "The Messengers" to Containment or not, but I don't see that show as having enough hype to anchor a night and going by the successes of The Flash and Arrow (especially it growing in the ratings due to the success of The Flash) I see it as the only viable option as a potential new anchor.

Or if they're REALLY shameless they could always to this for it's premiere week:

Tuesday:
The Flash / Legends of Tomorrow (cross-over episodes)
Wednesday:
Arrow / Legends of Tomorrow (cross-over episodes)
Thursday:
Legends of Tomorrow / (The Originals or The Vampire Diaries or whatever)

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

They're probably bound to do a crossover episode, and the one under The Flash's title may even be able to break a 2.0

Let's make it an interesting week and say that NCIS:LA:NO and Law&Order:SVU Chicago Fire, PD, and Med. And maybe a Bordertown Guy episode too.

HV • 8 years ago

The biggest question for the CW, I think, is where are they going to put their mid-season shows? That really depends on if Crazy Ex-Girlfriend gets a full season and if iZombie gets a full season. Here are three possible schedules:

Crazy Ex canceled, Zombie picked up:
Monday
8:00 Containment
9:00 Jane the Virgin
Tuesday
8:00 The Flash
9:00 iZombie
Wednesday
8:00 Arrow
9:00 Supernatural
Thursday
8:00 Legends of Tomorrow
9:00 The Vampire Diaries
Friday
8:00 The Originals
9:00 The 100
(Reign put on hiatus)

Zombie canceled, Crazy Ex picked up:
Monday
8:00 Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
9:00 Jane the Virgin
Tuesday
8:00 The Flash
9:00 Containment
Wednesday
8:00 Arrow
9:00 Supernatural
Thursday
8:00 Legends of Tomorrow
9:00 The Vampire Diaries
Friday
8:00 The Vampire Diaries
9:00 The 100
(Reign put on hiatus)

Both picked up:
Monday
8:00 Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
9:00 Jane the Virgin
Tuesday
8:00 The Flash
9:00 iZombie
Wednesday
8:00 Arrow
9:00 Supernatural
Thursday
8:00 Legends of Tomorrow
9:00 Containment
Friday
8:00 The Vampire Diaries
9:00 The 100/The Originals
(Reign put on hiatus)

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Personally, I think Crazy Ex-Girlfriend will get a full season just like Jane the Virgin did. The flaw I see in your schedules is that all of them have Legends of Tomorrow on Thursday. My guess is that they premiere it after The Flash and move it to Thursday in fall 2016.

HV • 8 years ago

It will be interesting to see how Crazy Ex-Girlfriend does. On one hand it is airing on Mondays and doesn't look like it will get the support that Jane the Virgin got last season. On the other hand, this creates for a very compatable Monday night, and it could do well. Speaking of compatability, it's crazy how compatable they have decided to make their Mondays-Thursdays. Thursdays are super compatable, Mondays and Wednesdays are also really compatable, and Tuesdays are compatable too.
Anyway, speaking of Legends of Tomorrow, I think it will get its own night because The Flash did last season, and Thursdays are struggling now, and it seems likely to be a hit.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

That's what I'm starting to like about The CW, it really is a smart scheduling strategy. Compatibility does matter (prime example being ABC comedy 2013 v 2014).

tommie • 8 years ago

Another interesting note is that the combinations are CBS and Warner shows being paired together (going by the main distributor, some are co-produced like TVD and TO but has WB as it's main distributor):

Monday: CBS / CBS
Tuesday: WB / WB
Wednesday: WB / WB
Thursday: WB / WB
Friday: CBS / CBS

Significant Mother seems to be mainly a Warner Bros show - I wonder if that'll impact it's renewal chances?

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Wow, I never even noticed that! Thanks for pointing that out. That kind of pairing almost makes it seem like instead of one unified network, it's just two production companies time-sharing a channel on the television. Seems to be that the production company for The CW really matters a lot.

Considering all the WB shows, I think Significant Mother being a WB show where their two most comedic are CBS may actually hurt its renewal chances.

HV • 8 years ago

Makes sense how they would pair those shows because Monday and Friday are the CW's least-watched nights and WB shows are a lot better rated than CBS shows.

I'm glad you brought up Significant Mother's production company, I hadn't thought of that. I don't think that the production company will have as much impact in the summer for a half hour comedy, but it could have some impact.

tommie • 8 years ago

It's officially co-produced by both The WB and CBS, but the WB seems to be the main distributor and it's obvious it's from their studio so I'd be willing to be CBS's involvement is in name only, much like WBs involvement in Reign (as an example).

But yeah, being a summer show means it doesn't have to compete for time slots, then again, if The CW wants to start experimenting with half hour comedies and Significant Mother turns out to be a success I guess they could upgrade it to mid/in-season.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

An upgrade in time slot for Significant Mother may be good for the show, but could scream desperation for the network. Wouldn't want to see another network have to do with NBC did this season with The Night Shift and Undateable. It will be interesting to see how this one works out.

HV • 8 years ago

Yeah there isn't really a spot this season, but maybe in spring 2017 they could air Significant Mother season three and/or the second season of another comedy if they are successful.

tommie • 8 years ago

Perhaps, but who knows what The CW are planning at this point with their absolutely full schedule? With Significant Mother having the slightly odd episode order of 9 episodes, them ordering 13 further for some time in the midseason would mean they've produced a full season of episodes (22) within a year much like how Undateable got 10 episodes in the spring (13+10 = 23) and The Night Shift got 14 episodes (8+14 = 22).

I have absolutely no idea what The CWs strategy is beyond the fact that they'll put a lot of muscle trying to launch Legends of Tomorrow. Containment might or might not get The Messengers treatment, iZombie has absolutely no guarantuee of getting a full season two (despite being higher rated than Jane the Virgin and Reign). If Crazy Ex-Girlfriend flops maybe they'll try somehow pairing Significant Mother and dramedy Jane the Virgin on Mondays? They really have very little compatible programming for Jane and with two full seasons it's likely they'll drag it to four seasons.

I think the main problem with The CW is that they now have a few low-rated shows that are half-way (or closer) to syndication - Reign and The Originals both have a season to go, Jane will have two seasons. The 100 is an unknown factor - they've never really had "limited" series last until season three, but it will have 42 episodes at the end of this season.

Will they finally retire The Vampire Diaries after this season (despite it probably being slightly higher rated than The Originals)? Will Crazy Ex-Girlfriend flop from the moment it debuts? Will Containment a horrible treatment?

HV • 8 years ago

Containment is surely going to be this season's The Messengers/Star-Crossed/Cult. Jane will get dragged to syndication, as it is CBS produced. The only shows that really have uncertain fates are Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Legends of Tomorrow (which will most likely be a hit though), The 100, and iZombie. I really hope that The 100 and iZombie get renewed though.

tommie • 8 years ago

In a weird way it wouldn't surprise me because it's the only new CBS pilot they ended up ordering and considering that they went through the trouble of re-developing it for The CW it might be another case of them throwing CBS a bone after they dumped both Cheerleader Death Squad and Tales From the Darkside reboot. So we might see surprisingly low ratings and scratch our heads at a full season renewal come fall...

HV • 8 years ago

I really wish Cheerleader Death Squad had gotten picked up, it sounded really interesting.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Probably had to do with how the pilot turned out. Rumor has it the same happened to the NBA pilot as with Chevy. Then there are shows that really interest me on paper but aren't executed to my expectations. So it's hard to say if it actually would have been good.

tommie • 8 years ago

The CW wasn't happy with the direction that the Cheerleader Death Squad pilot went in - in late May the producers were looking at possibly retooling it and trying again, but nothing's been heard since. It's obvious that when The CW weren't happy with either CDS and Tales From The Darkside CBS dug up Crazy Ex-Girlfriend to have it retooled for the CW so that they could at least get one new show on the air. Makes you wonder how bad both CDS and TFTD must've been...

Guest • 8 years ago

CW always keeps their freshman shows in place for them develop unless they flop (see The 100).

HV • 8 years ago

It's unusual when they have the network's biggest lead-in though (see BATB)

percysowner • 8 years ago

I'm guessing Reign is the Madam Secretary of the CW. They are hanging on to get it into syndication. Rumors say that it isn't that expensive to produce, foreign sales are supposedly good, CBS owns it and it's getting near syndication. Why not dump it on Friday and let it's fans follow it. They may not be as...intense as BATB, but they seem to faithful. If the show deals with the triangles in a way that pleases fans, it can limp along to syndication land. Note: I don't watch Reign, so my remark about the triangles comes from message board comments I see. I see a lot of the same arguments for why Reign is still on as I do for BATB. BATB hasn't hit 0.0 and seems to have "stabilized" at 0.2 so Reign may well do the same. If the CW is happy and they can keep the affiliates happy, then why not?

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Reign better be cheap to produce for the sake of The CW. In 2014, they only charged $29,848 for a 30-second ad, just is almost 60% less than that of The Vampire Diaries. Being on Fridays with no lead-in my best guess is that next season's rate will somehow manage to be a lot less. In fact, only The 100 and Jane the Virgin had lower ad rates for scripted series.

The fact that Reign made it this far really surprises me, but like you said if it made it this far, why quit now?

tommie • 8 years ago

Also, another argument for a season four of Reign is that it's possible that they can make the show even cheaper than it already is. While Reign mostly is historical fanfiction written by teenagers on crack they do tend to try and stick to some key plot points - Francis is unlikely to survive season three if it's a full 22 episode season I think. In season four they could very well send Mary to Scotland, which means that they could get rid of most of their main cast, bar maybe one or two of Mary's "ladies", cutting cast costs considerably by hiring new cheaper actors for whatever will happen in Scotland.

I just don't see it getting cancelled before a final fourth season, unless Tribune start putting too much pressure on The CW on getting their own programming on the network, leading them to cancel Reign to make room. But even then it's possible that they'll be able to rework a potential season four as a summer program a la Beauty & The Beast because of said possibilities to cut costs.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Makes sense. Of course, part of it will have to do with ratings this season. I wonder how the whole Tribune contract will work out, what do you think?

tommie • 8 years ago

I don't think Tribune will dump them, especially if Legends manages to stay around at least a 1.0 - I think at most they might be able to get one of their own shows in the regular 2016-17 season (possibly at the expense of a WB production?). Maybe they'll get a show on in the summer too.

tommie • 8 years ago

I'm not sure if Reign will fall more due to being moved to Friday; I can see it doing a Hart of Dixie and staying put at 0.3-0.4 - and it's not like there's going to be static before 8PM, just various local programming. It doesn't necessarily mean a bad lead-in for Reign in all territories.

Bill 2 • 8 years ago

Per RKJ on SpottedRatings, The CW's local programming at the 7pm hour in the summer has been around a 0.6-0.7. However, local programming and prime time are a whole different thing, as was pointed out to me, so its lead-in probably won't matter too much.