I do not believe in the governments right to mandate vaccinations. This is far too much power to give to a government that has already shown itself capable of abusing it's powers.

Private healthcare can solve public health emergencies, which are largely caused by lifestyle choices anyway.

Rubbish. Most viruses do not spread through lifestyle choices. They are airborne, in particles - unless you call going into a room with other people a lifestyle choice.

There is a theory that vaccination is a scam to inject some slave behavior stimulator from the early childhood. At first sight it looks laughable but seeing how some people are ready to stay under the rule of some tyrant, I start thinking that laughs best who laughs last. At least until the middle of the XX century people survived without those vaccines, moreover even school children know today that viruses mutate so the dead or weak vaccine injected them is not a stable way to enforce immunity. There are more traditional ways to enforce immunity like eating enough and regularly including fruits and vegetables. It worked well until vaccination started so why was it started?

Web - I'll inject you with polio - you eat fruit and see if it protects you.
There are no natural ways to build up antibodies in the blood stream against specific viral antigens. Vaccination is the only way.

You may be right, I don`t argue with truth, this is not my goal at all, moreover if vaccination is really needed than it should go further on. But some scam could intrude in this program as nobody knows what exactly was injected for example in Soviet schools in 1980s. Some rumours tell that so called anti-smallpox injections were in fact injections of slavish humility stimulator. Soviet secret military science was huge, fundamental and cutting edge. And it could be used not only against enemies in the cold war.

I can see the potential but I do not think that vaccination would be used in that way - though in my novel Ebola in the Garden of Eden the government did try and bump off excess population through vaccination.

It`s enough to kill immunity through vaccination and the chance to survive is close to zero. It`s hard to count how many newspapers told that AIDS is a product of US military science. But if those mass media tell fake news then someone says them to tell the same fake news for years.

Tell me what you think of this quote from a globalist:

“Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy…it is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fiche laid it down that education should destroy free will, so that, after the pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished…Diet, injections and injunctions will combine from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities find desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.”
~Bertrand Russell(1872-1970) Philosopher, educator
Source: The Scientific Manipulation of Our Reality,
1953

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Or what about this one, also from a globalist:

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
-- Zbigniew Brezhinsky, National Security
Advisor to President Jimmy Carter and advisor to 4 other presidents, Executive Director of Trilateral Commission
Source: from his book, “Between Two Ages,” 1970

The worst legislation signed into law by Reagan absolved all vaccine manufacturers from liability for any defect in their product which caused any adverse reaction in the victims - i mean, patients. In US corporate law, corporations are required to maximize profit for the sake of the investors ... so, what happens to the quality control departments of such entities in light of the foregoing?

You obviously have not heard of Royal Raymond Rife.

Sorry, Webmaster...Eating spinach doesn't prevent small pox.

It is in the news a lot lately. We have illegals coming over the border with all kinds of disease. Then, in NYC, it is an issue with orthodox Jews. I don't know the issue there. Perhaps it is a religious thing.

If you protect your child, it shouldn't be an issue. I suppose a child could still come down with a disease but he should also be better able to recover.

I don't hesitate over vaccinations for my child. He's had them all (probably even fake ones in China). He has allergies and had pneumonia three times before he was one-year-old. I could blame it on the vaccinations. The most likely cause is the absurd levels of pollution in China.

Let the parents do what they feel is best.

Cullen rides.

When it comes to vaccination a lot of parents do not know what is best and are fed with false information. I think it is too important.

I trust parents before I would the government.

Then you know a different set of parents to me Leroy - many of them are shit ignorant.

Do you include yourself? Let me answer that question, "No". You don't feel that you are shit ignorant--but every other parent is, or, at least the vast majority of parents. You, sir, are an elitist. You believe that you have a superior knowledge and reasoning ability than the common man and that you and those like you should make the decisions for us deplorables. I rank myself as a common man. I do not recognize your superiority. You live in your mind in some fantasy world. You can believe whatever you desire, just don't force your nonsense on me.

We should require that all children be vaccinated before being allowed to enter school, with only medical exemptions considered. This would be for diphtheria,
tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella; and chickenpox. This is a requirement in many states, but most states allow exemptions for religious and/or personal beliefs.
I do not feel that beliefs of a few should jeporadize the health of many.

Exactly. They put other people at risk.

So would either you or Opher care to explain how unvaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk. Because to me it seems you are both co9nceding that vaccines don't work.
The only things put at risk by people refusing vaccines are corporate profits for the Big Pharma cartel.
I do not feel that the belief in authoritarianism of the indoctrinated few should put the liberty of the many at risk.

Quite simple-
They put every other unvaccinated person at risk, especially infants who are too young to be vaccinated. along with increasing the risk for those who have been vaccinated, but may not have developed a total level of immunity.
Vaccines work, but some people do not develop total immunity, and of course, some are allergic to certain elements contained within certain vaccines.
I am against the Big Pharma Cartel, as obviously you are, but for a person to not get vaccinated unless they are allergic to me is plain stupid and also inconsiderate of others.

So you would usurp to yourself the power to tell us all what we must and must not do. Typical socialist, a fascist in fool's motley. Here's a true story. My daughter is head of admin for a small company in France, in an area where there has recently been an outbreak of measles. At one stage three of her eight staff were down with the disease. Of those three two had produced medical evidence of their illness which also happened to show they were fully vaccinated with the MMR vaccine.
It has now emerged that many of the adults affected in that outbreak had been vaccinated with the MMR vaccine in childhood. Similar stories have emerged from
You should never conflate statistics with science. It has been shown by independent studies, (i.e. not funded directly or indirectly by Big Pharma, that injecting people with a dead virus and immune system stimulants produces a very poor auto immune response. Actually getting the disease, as I and my siblings and most of my generation did, confers lifelong immunity.
A statistic that nobody ever talks about is the astronomical rise in the incidence of auto - immune diseases since vaccines employing dead viruses and immune system stimulants were introduced. Kalpana told me that, I can't give her full name or link to her source, she's a senior doctor in Britain and as we all know, for a working doctor to criticise the Big Phama vaccine cash cow is career suicide.

Sluggo,
We do not know the long term consequences of vaccines, and there is some evidence they increase the likelihood of children's becoming hypersensitive to generally innocuous substances. The prevalences of allergies is also rising, and there's a general increase in other diseases, like cancer and heart problems, as well as declining life expectancy in the US. I'm not blaming vaccines per se, but I do see an over-reliance on the "health care industry," and the absurd notion that that the drug-pushing agenda improves health.

Question, Katherine.Is there a causal relationship between long term, i.e. a life time, of prescription drugs and increases in either or both cancer or heart problems, or is it possible the the increasing sizes of
the human body are finally reaching the point where the body's systems are no longer up to the job?

Ian,
I second that. The governments are practicing medicine. I would suggest looking at the stock portfolios of those who believe in mandates, then vaccinate yourself against government interference.

Same as always Katherine, if you want to get to the truth just follow the money.

Ian - if a virus is allowed to survive within a community it puts members of that community at risk. These diseases need eradicating through good vaccination programmes.
I am sure the drug companies are making money but that doesn't obscure the need for good vaccination programmes.
Polio is a good example. If people had reached herd immunity through vaccination polio would be extinct by now instead of infecting millions of people in Africa which means we all have to keep getting vaccinated.

Opher, you cite the prevalence of polio in backward, third world shithole countries. Three words: polio, dirty water, go figure.

Ian - using Trump's language? The developing countries are not shitholes.
My wife had polio as a child. She was lucky. She had years of treatment and recovered. Her school-friend wasn't as lucky.
That's in Britain - a shithole country?
Polio is a virus. It can affect anyone anywhere.
Vaccination is the only defence. If the Muslims had not kicked up a fuss (claiming that the Christian West was wanting to make them infertile) polio would now be completely eradicated. Instead we still have to go getting our kids vaccinated because those fools wouldn't.

Oph, I was talking to my son about this, his children are not vaccinated against polio and he's heard the argument that if everybody was vaccinated it would prevent thousands of children dying in Africa. And he said, "So I ask them how would my kids being vaccinated stop anyone in Africa getting polio?
Also you keep raising a piece of Church of Scienceology dogma about vaccines making diseases extinct. That is typical of the illogical reasoning of the science academe. With "herd immunity" (which does not come from vaccination but from survival of the fittest,) the disease does not "become extinct" it survives in nature but does not infect humans (or other animals,) in communities that have acquire herd immunity. However it may mutate at any time and re-emerge as something else.

Thoroughly agree Cullen. The link between autism and vaccination has been proven false. Something may be causing more autism but it isn't vaccination.
However, scare stories are causing huge problems in our fight against disease.
Vaccination has completely removed smallpox (one of the deadliest viruses on the planet) and was on the verge of removing polio (a terrible life-threatening disease that causes paralysis and severe disability). The Muslims in Africa spread a rumour that the West was vaccinating in order to make people sterile. Millions refused the vaccine. Polio, which was on the verge of extinction, is now rampant across Africa once more killing and crippling babies and putting the rest of the world at risk.
The one issue I would take issue with is your example of vaccination against cervical cancer. Is this a hint of misogyny in your post? Cervical cancer obviously only affects women. It is a killer and preventable. Most of it is caused by a virus - the Human Papilloma Virus - for which there is a safe vaccine.
Every year 12,200 women in the USA are diagnosed with this terrible cancer of which 4,210 die. A vaccination programme for young girls would save that tragedy from occurring.

Ignorance, lies and false propaganda kills.

Vaccines are necessary medicine with potential side effects that only a medical specialist can prevent. Take your medicine and watch carefully later.

Dino - one has to balance things - I reckon the benefits far outweigh any potential risk.

Yemen is facing the worst epidemic of cholera since records began. The disease has affected over 1 million people and caused almost 2,500 deaths.
With a simple oral vaccination programme that would not have occurred.

Opher,
Cholera is the direct result of poor sanitation, spread by the fecal-oral route. Are you suggesting vaccines are better than sanitation? Is there a vaccine against cholera?

Katharine - no I'm not. But if there is no means of supplying clean drinking water then vaccination saves thousands of lives.
Wars create massive problems.

Opher,
I looked up the answer to my own question. There is a vaccine against cholera, but it's largely ineffective. It is suggested for international travelers to endemic areas.