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wunsacon • 8 years ago

I find it interesting to read the Murdoch-wing interpretation of these documents. They downplay the "cui bono?" questions, in favor of narratives like "Obama underestimated ISIS" or "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" or "ISIS in Texas".

Will CNN follow Fox's lead? For a while, it seemed to me like CNN broadcast "ISIS, ISIS, ISIS" scare-mongering. How much daylight is there between CNN and Fox?

I wonder whether aggregation of media assets has led to editorial conformity and narrative consistency.

retired trucker • 8 years ago

one can only depend on the news to further the agenda of the globalists.....it's really a waste of time trying to figure things out. just listen to your gut and avoid the news like aids,herpes and vd.

david t. krall • 8 years ago

good point...but sheep, ostriches and similar animals don't last very long....I would hate to be an ostrich, with any social diseases lurking about, in that position ! Things are bad enough ! I prefer to take my chances with my head (and butt !) on or above the surface and still be able to know, figure out and able to decipher and decode the truth from the BS...at least the truth and lies could be seen and determined as understood and aware of.....Insightful and astute on your part !, but ...Besides, that's how we have been catching those diseases in the first place (!), which have effected, affected and infected both our brains and our nation..Think about it ! The very people who claim to be protecting us from Terror and War, and in effect pronouncing their faith and pleas (for more surveillance) to protect us, etc, are the very same ones exasperating and starting this insanity and literally laying down and in bed with, if not creating these monsters (and it would NOT-N-O-T- be the first time !!!)...I'm not bending over for anybody!!! Especially with my head in the sand...'cause that's just the way they want it ! Screwing us with lies, and insane and inane deceitful "explanations" for at least the last, almost, 53 years...what nation, what world power in the history of modern or even recorded history in a similar or appx 50+ year span has been the recipient of such repetitive supposedly random, -"unexpected"- "terror", fear, assassination (JFK) and/or lame-ducks/"cripplings" and more murders (MX, MLK, RFK, LBJ, RMN. JEC, Reagan {"almost"}, many others) , "spontaneous" provocations and wars, invasions, massive foreign bombings, and "police actions", and "out of the blue" and supposedly "unexpected" threats to its existence...??? and now CUBA and IRAN...if you thought it looked ugly in Jan. or Feb...just wait...these war-freaks and short-sighted chicken hawks can't wait to wreck or stop these major generational peace initiatives,aka "game-changers" regardless who's in the WH or his Sec. of State..It just happens to be Obama now...Huh ! ...a broken femur??? Maybe that was just a "preview"...They turned on IKE late in his term & tenure and things are now sure looking similar.....the next WH occupant...now that's who will have a "full plate" to deal with...

Brett Bullock • 8 years ago

total agree , the world is sinking in a refugee crisis because of this mess , they have formed their coalition to stop it !!! no they were meddling in syria supporting this to try end the assad govt ,

david t. krall • 8 years ago

"Something", some current phase of this neo-con CIA/Sunni/Mossad "war" must have been taking place for this extremely current influx and movement of refugees..akin to and what is indeed, a massive migration, in anthropology known as a mass migration....similar to, when birds and animals sense and "know" 'trouble" in on the way, very soon or "in the air". You remember some sci-fi movie about 10 or 15 years ago, where all the animals were all moving away, in very large numbers away from 'something" they sensed or felt??? Humans are the same and have the same capacity to sense this, especially if and when its THEIR OWN FREAKIN' HOMELAND FOR GENERATIONS, IF NOT FOREVER !!! And then Assad must have sensed or more likely had known "something" was "brewing" and then Putin & the Russians stepped in ( thank GOD!) and said enough of this crap and evil game... I'll bet anything, some "big" covert offensive by ISIS was in the works and was going to be assisted by US bombing "mistakes" on Syrian Army placements/locations in or near Damascus....That would explain the how and why, and also the "disappointing" tone of the Neo-con hawks showing annoyance towards Putin and how he is now "messing up the works" and and just "getting in the way".... Something must have been "in the works" (or still is...) by these no-cons that is shown by BOTH this "mass migration" AND Putin's and Assad's taking more aggressive, overt, honest, transparent steps against ISIS and the US reactions also to these steps by Putin...It seem too coincidental when you think about it and you notice the confluence and timing of all this in the last 2 to 3 weeks...you see or notice this?

Una Wendt • 8 years ago

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truthynesslover • 7 years ago

Hillary is no lefty.She is a DLC Koch bro - Milton Friedman Republican neo-liberal.

The first people Hitler ,Mao ,Stalin.Pol pot rounded up was the LEFT.....

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david t. krall • 8 years ago

That is so true !!! And most may not realize it. It has played and continues to play part in American Politics.The "center" has been "co-opted" so to speak, for a very long time. And it takes certain politician to "break out" of it for him or her, of that, and offer genuine stake, a true and independent claim in that pol. spectrum or "clock". Today, the maxim you point out, could be best represented by Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, Rand Paul and Martin O'Malley, all of whom have made similar statements that have gone against the "flow" of the "war drums beat" for MORE war in the middle east and most certainly AGAINST the agenda of the neo-con/hawks in Syria, The Ukraine and elsewhere. Another example: after RFK was assassinated and removed from the 1968 race ( I always believed he could have mounted a strong surge and HHH's base would have evaporated or melted, or 1972 would have been his for the "asking"), after his death, a significant number of voters actually 'carried over" to George Wallace, as a sign of disillusionment with the system. Ironically look what happened to Wallace in May of 1972 ! Coincidence? Trump for all intents and purposes has really (so far) derailed the neo-con fueled and backed "Jeb train" to the nomination, or as arrogantly, early on, self described by Jeb, himself as "almost 45". Trump, Sanders, Paul and O'Malley are the CIA/Corp. neo-con/hawks worst nightmares. e.g. That whole Cheney/Baker/Rove "crowd" ( more like a major neo-con center) now truly despises Mr. Trump. And Sanders, Paul and O'Malley are not far removed from this hate. as well.

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

neo-con cia???? ummmmm you are aware that it is liberal lefty goons in charge right?

Gene • 8 years ago

Wow! You're a lost puppy in a sea of snakes. Please get an education.

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

im not indoctrinated into the liberal goon fantasies like you....i actually know what im talking about

decembre • 8 years ago

Left and Right, do you really believe in thar Bullshit still? Wake up my friend...

Gene • 8 years ago

He must watch he news and believe it, some people can't wake up.

david t. krall • 8 years ago

Gene,
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT...as I "warned" you...don't respond or get "drawn into" such BS, ...from either genuinely delusional or just "appearing" so....

david t. krall • 8 years ago

I agree !!! TOTALLY....and don't get "baited" or drawn-in--"right here"... if you catch my friendly drift !

ImBackBishes • 8 years ago

There is no hope for the congenitally stupid.

david t rall • 8 years ago

Yes!!! What can't be debated and denied are many operations and proposed agendas, declassified, & forced to see the light of day by concerned citizens and (mostly) European courts, e. g. Operation Gladio, The Brabant Massacres and The Westland New Post, Operations Mongoose and JM/wave, Operation Phoenix, "Executive Action", ZR-Rifle, The 40 Committee, Operation North Woods, Operation Underworld ( the first real "modern" -"understanding" and covert "agreement" between pre-ISIS--like thugs albeit domestically, & on a very wide scale ) and "its" mirror- Operation Ohio in Europe and parts of the middle east ( re: Otto Skorenzy ), Operation Paperclip, Operation Cyclone, Operation Ajax, The abduction of suspected terrorists ( some whom were innocent or of mistaken identity...) literally targeted on and lifted off the streets in European cities and put on CIA planes... kidnapped and tortured....Italian and Polish courts have since outlawed this CIA thuggery...This was never mentioned on US media outlets....When a prisoner in a US military prison in Iraq is described by his US military & CIA captors as, " AH! ! Here is man we can deal with...". and later is recognized as the leader of ISIS, and when that is the same exact scenario as which took place as described for usage and "recruitment" of people like Charles "Lucky" Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Carlo Gambino, Vito Genovese, Albert Anastasia and many others, used and "recruited" by a network Gov, Corporate, Legal & intell entities ( THE BIG BOYS ) as to be utilized via an "under the table" agreement and 'compact" for use worldwide in WW2 and later in the cold war ( operations Ohio and Paperclip are the Nazi linked "flip sides of this- operation underworld) )...All this is a mere and superficial indication of the current and consistent pattern and proclivity of creating, recruiting, secretly sponsoring and covertly arming & funding such thugs like ISIS and Al Qada thru a complex maze of dis and mis-information, and media manipulation, and an equal clever maze of dummy and "front" banks and similar institutions and cyber transfers...and use of regional, l "sympathetic" allies (check out: The Castle Bank, Nugan Hand Bank, The Double Check Corporation, Mary Carter Paints, Ron Rewald, Paul Halliwell, etc)....bye for now....

David T. Krall • 8 years ago

and oh yes, another creation by the US sectors and jointly formed with a similar group of "sympathetic" allies and client states in another part of the world (Latin America) , a true megalithic and monolithic entity, created and sponsored, based on terror, fear, kidnapping and large scale murder, on the heels of the "secret war" of terror against Castro's Cuba : large scale covert ops and programs for the formation, "recruitment", sponsorship, funding and arming in that "war" ( Operations Mongoose & JM/wave-- very similar pre-ISIS scenario recruitment ops) involving gangs and murderous militias, cadres and proxies, utilized, armed and funded on a large, wide and massive scale intended to enhance, effect and result in regime change--sound familiar ?)...check out something called Operation Condor...The flip side and Latin American version of Operation Phoenix, and involving 4 or 5 nations....similar to Operation Gadio, but "ignited" in Latin America,and for time, even MORE wide spread, as best demonstrated by the Assassination of Orlando Letelier, in, of all places, Washington DC in 1976.....The birth place of many cold war and supposed war on terror "Frankensteins" .....

Human • 8 years ago

The "liberal lefty goons" are following NeoCon orders.

david t. krall • 8 years ago

In order for me to reply in some of type constructive manner and dialogue, I need need you to elaborate and expand upon your statement. And explain what your are attempting to convey???

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

you made the statement about neo-con cia...except you disregard the fact that liberal goons are now in charge of our agencies...this mess is a direct result of democrat liberal ideology, therefore, squarely on the shoulders of liberal dems...can't take the truth, huh?

Tannenhouser • 8 years ago

Get a grip. There is ZERO difference between Obama's 'liberal policy' and Jr's 'conservative policy'. The same ideology rules both main parties in the states. The whole left /right thing is just a sham. They ALL play for the same team they just wear different team colors. Reply here with one just one policy by Barry that is 'left'. I'm not talking about all his smooth talking forked tongue leftist rhetoric, we are talking actual POLICY, you know things that are actually done. Betcha can't. Truth doesn't have to hurt eh. Good Day

Trisha Lynn • 6 years ago

DACA

david t. krall • 8 years ago

You got that right, my friend!!! IF, Barry or "The Donald" ever get 'close" they will be shut down and "done and gone", if you catch my drift. Only because the BIG inside $$$$ has already "invested in, and "bet on" perceived "better horses". The inside networks, as you know have become so integrated and solidified ( & stratified) within the electoral side of politics, like a corrosive, unseen ( to the public) and unaccountable influence that if someone came along, who might be able to correct or change things, he would or will be stopped in any number of ways. (hint: we already seen "it" happen) This you already know,,, It's about control and influence, and here, it's about about being "sold", conned and duped and/or manipulated into "signing on" to or "approving ( as if he, Obama has a choice, right???) an operation, that is really an agenda, in most cases, already in motion, to some degree. He can't always be the last know (!!!) , but we sure as hell know (!), he's not the first... to know !!! I like your style and your comment !!! Good insight....I agree.

lvginclp • 7 years ago

Challenge accepted: The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111–2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That's pretty leftist.

david t. krall • 8 years ago

I'd hate to burst your bubble, but liberal dems, one of which I am not, are NOT running the CIA , or the covert operations wings of the CIA, or the Covert operations wings of the various military intelligence agencies. And so-called liberal dems were not caught spying on its own Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee, not once, not twice but 3 times ( known) in the past year, resulting in nothing more than a mild slap, more like a love tap, on the wrist. Even CIA head John Brennan laughed and mocked at such things when once confronted and asked about this, and it being captured on film on C-Span ( I saw it and I recorded it), last year, with the immortal words, with a smile and an obvious smirk, "oh... we would never do that..." and that was BEFORE THE 2nd and 3rd times his agency was caught doing so. Not sure what you refer to as "can't stand the truth", (?) other then superficial labels and references, if any, without any substance. E.g., I would NOT call Rand Paul a Liberal Dem. nor Angus King. The ability to see thru a lie, should never be confused with or clouded by political considerations or biases. It's about clarity, backbone and seeing through the maze of political prisms of manipulation and political expediency, regardless of the source of the lie. When somebody has the ability to do that, they are free enough to see thru any lie, from ANY political sector, enclave or direction. Assuming one desires to see and know the truth...not "political truth".

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

and what the hell would you know about covert operations? be careful...posting classified information on the internet might get you in trouble

Stockinator_9mm • 8 years ago

Some government officials can get away (so far) with treating classified information as if it's for sale, their own personsl property, or just not important enough to keep safe. Ask Hellary

david t. krall • 8 years ago

How would you know what would or would not get me in trouble regarding the related subject matter??? You have a supreme and admirable ability to avoid and deflect the matters discussed. I salute you for this recognized trait. I see no reason to respond further to such uninformed whining. Or some other agenda here.

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

i know because i once held a security clearance...have you?

decembre • 8 years ago

So, americans should leave the US if they want to say and write what they want?

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

do you even know what a security clearance is? wow...reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

david t. krall • 8 years ago

Good question...great question....!!! that should not even be asked, or have to be asked. But I see and know you asked this person, that question to make a point....I kindly suggest you not even enable somebody either masking an agenda under supposed whining or the other way around...

decembre • 8 years ago

Still, no answer to my question...

david t. krall • 8 years ago

You are right...and don't hold your breath either...!!! See above, my own recent comment/reply and Tannenhouser's awesome and insightful comment also !!! That "comment" to me and no response to you is a "beacon" not just a hint of the source.....or its mind-set.

Stockinator_9mm • 8 years ago

Could you mishsndle classified, top secret, and above top secret info the way Hellary has done and staybout of jail??

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

no which is why she does belong in jail

Gene • 8 years ago

Liberals and Conservatives are illusions of choice. It's the oligarchs that control both. If you can't see the truth, it's sitting right in front of your face.... I can't begin to tell you how lost you are. Princeton University study the U.S. is an oligarchy.....data driven analysis using the scientific method......... http://www.bbc.com/news/blo...

david t. krall • 8 years ago

Right on !!! Right on, my friend...!

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

wow you so desperately want your stupidity to have substance...but it just doesn't

Gene • 8 years ago

You must dig for the truth, it's not going to present itself to you, like I just did. Please wake up.

Trisha Lynn • 6 years ago

Word.. And put your boots on cause shit us getting deep

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

rofl rofl rofl dig deeper then because all you come up with are lies

seekaz • 8 years ago

You can tune in to nightly news for the lies. Truth requires a bit more effort,
Seek and ye shall find, faith without works is dead...

Gene • 8 years ago

It's probably to complicated for your small mind, here's the study in a nutshell, using the scientific method reviewed by peers Cambridge and Northwestern Universities...data driven... that's using facts, not your fox news regurgitation.

"Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."

I know you don't like facts, but shove them where the sun don't shine, you foolish person.

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

yeah keep patting yourself on the back moron

Gene • 8 years ago

You keep hiking you're smarter than one of the most prestigious colleges in the world.
I prove to you, without doubt, that what you know is a lie, and this is your response? Yeah, I'm the moron.

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

colleges are no longer in it for education purposes...mostly indoctrination...and all colleges are businesses so what they do is for money...thanks for proving me right...you are a moron

AmerizonWarrior • 8 years ago

yes you are a moron...there is much more to life than what you can get in your liberally indoctrinated college

Human • 8 years ago

There is much more to life than worshipping Israel and American imperialism.