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I have a theory on why the Giants' rookie position players, for the most part, have not succeeded when called up to the major leagues this year.

Two years ago, the MLB limited the number of players that a club could have in the minor leagues. Because of the limitation, the Giants decided to go with 12-13 position players on each of their minor league teams. All teams carried at least two catchers and sometimes three catchers. The result of this was that position players, including the DH, played at least five to six times a week and faced all kinds of pitchers, both right-handed pitchers and left-handed pitchers. They got into a groove of playing almost every day .

When they were called up, for the most part, they became platoon players , sometimes going three or four days without getting into the starting line-up . So, when they did play, the pressure was on to hit, knowing that they may not get another chance for a couple of days depending on who was on the mound for the opponent . This took them out of the rhythm that they had been accustomed to while playing in the minor leagues where they were putting up solid numbers.

The exception to this for the Giants' is Patrick Bailey, but he had two things going for him that the other called-up rookies did not have-- (1) he played catcher and the Giants were badly in need of someone to take over the position, and (2) he was a switch hitter so he played regardless of who was on the mound. Had Bailey only been a right-handed hitter, I suspect that he would have shared the catching duties with Blake Sabol.

It is my long-held position that a team should only bring up "rookie" position players when they are going to play every day as they lack the experience to be able to come off the bench once every couple of days and successfully hit major league pitching like a Wilmer Flores, Austin Slater or even Joc Pederson can do.

I realize injuries and unforeseen circumstances arise that requires rookies to be called up for short stretches, but I still believe their their only chance to succeed is to put them into the starting line-up and keep them in the rhythm they are used to while playing in the minor leagues.

There was a reason why back 10-years ago bench players were used primarily as pinch hitters in a game and defensive replacements. These players were usually older veterans on the down-side of their careers.

Just my thoughts which probably aren't worth two cents.

Villar and Schmitt were brought up and given a long stretch of playing every day and failed.

Matos, too

I think this is very valid as a theory.

Perhaps Vint. can repost this and the prospect repots on new page?

pin worthy?

DeJong in, Camargo out—as most of us expected. And DeJong batting ninth and playing SS today.

In case it wasn’t posted earlier:

Wade DH
Estrada 2B
Flores 1B
Pederson LF
Conforto RF
Davis 3B
Bailey C
Meckler CF
DeJong SS

P-Alex Cobb (be the stopper!)

For the Phillies: Michael Lorenzen (aka the guy we should have traded for!)

So is Casey officially out of the everyday rotations?

Greetings from Comerica Park!! Tigers vs Cubbies. A Tigers win helps!

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Enjoy! Go Tigers!

The Giants rookie threw four-seam fastballs on 47 of his 65 pitches. The Phillies swung at 23 of them. They whiffed 11 times. That’s a whiff rate of 48 percent. If you aren’t sure what to make of that, the highest four-seam whiff rate of any major-league starter this season is 33.5 percent, and it belongs to the Seattle Mariners’ Luis Castillo. New York Yankees ace Gerrit Cole generated a 37.5 percent whiff rate on his four-seamer in 2019, which is the highest by a starting pitcher in the past five seasons.

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Small sample size

Not only can't Z get top FA's to sign with the team, he has to beg even marginal up players to show.
How do you know he begs, player opt outs, not the team's.

The Giants aren't the only team offering opt-out clauses (begging) in their contracts, it has been a trend for the last several years in major league baseball.

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Tough one today. the 200+ Ks in one season: there was only one answer per team on which I felt comfortable; same as many others it appears.

And then when looking at the possible answers…Doh!

Al West getting interesting Tex has lost 6 in a row...Hous 1/2 back Mariners 1. If both move ahead of Tex, they could miss the playoffs. Would be a stunning fail with all their moves.

Teams go through cycles in a 162-game season. Some right the ship, fasted than others.

That's crazy!

I would love to see it happen along with La Atl Hous getting knocked off in the playoffs.

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I feel like FZ's PR team slyly stoked the TWG conversation to make Kapler the whipping boy. I don't hate Kap, I don't really like Kap all that much, but in no way is he the top guy to blame. He was also handpicked by the one who shares the majority of the blame. FZ signed seven "bigger" FAs this year. They've almost all been busts. That is why this team is now on the outside looking in and has 2011 Giants vibes on offense.

I'm not ready to get rid of Farhan, but I have one more off-season left in me to see what he can do to put an actual contender on the field in 2024. It will be his sixth year, excuses are out. Next year needs to be a combo of youth contributing with better veterans.

Kap is doing what he is told as the type of lineups Zaidi wants.

This Cluster***K is Zaidi's work. Kapler is just a puppet.

Which is why the roster, and the man who assembled it, should receive exponentially more blame than the one responsible for seemingly moving deck chairs around the Titanic.

Yes. Absolutely. Fire Zaidi, and may he never sit in the big chair for any MLB team again. Ever. Time to end this Analytics b.s.

Machiavellian in fact.

Pretty convinced that many GMs and Agents don't particularly like to deal with FZ and many FAs wary of the Giants because of style of play. As you point out, FZ signs questionable FAs and the current cadre are various degrees of bust.

Don't think either should be fired midseason. Can see how GK could be scapegoated.

This is what is beginning to concern me the most. The biggest FAs and their agents don't want to deal with the Giants, who obsessively deal on the margins, and only are willing to offer FAs what the spreadsheet permits. All the while, if the FA signs, he'll be paired with platoons all around, openers, etc. It's almost like in trying to gain every advantage on the margin it has the appearance or at least feel of not truly taking the game seriously. This organization cannot go more than half a decade without being able to sign one god damn premium FA. Otherwise, a change needs to happen.

Good morning everyone! I thought I would check-in before we start our day. We were out and about yesterday, and will be again today, finding some vegan restaurants, trying some oat-milk latte, and vegan-based ice cream. So, needless to say, we did not see young Kyle Harrison's debut; although I caught the highlights. He looked really good to me. It will be such a treat to watch the Bailey/Harrison battery for years to come and if they can be as good as the Buster/MadBum battery.

I looked at some of the comments below regarding Kapler and Zaidi. I think we're all in agreement. I know LDF is. Noce is just checking the box scores going forward. During the last homestand, I did not watch three games because I was just so frustrated with the results and the performance of the team. I feel you Noce.

The 2023 Giants, at least since July 19th, the day after they scored 11 runs in Cincinnati, have gone missing and it's been as bad as a botched crime scene. 2 detectives were assigned to the case, Det. Zaidi and Kapler, working out of Precinct 24 sought out to solve the case. After interviewing several coaches, fans of the team, and even vendors, the two bumbling detectives reported back to Police Chief Posey and Commisioner Johnson. Both Zaidi and Kapler reported that they came up empty on the search for the Giants. A whistle-blower, who would be protected, stepped forward and shared with The Chronicle that it was in fact that Zaidi and Kapler were guilty of killing the Giants 2023 season. Both were fired from their positions and the whistle-blower,, Pete Putila was named the new President of Baseball Operations. The team would become full again.

Okay, so while that may not make a good mystery novel, this is where we're at though. I have tried to remain optimistic through this season, but my optimism is being severely tested; almost to the point where it is running dry. 36 games left. Show us something.

"my optimism is being severely tested; almost to the point where it is running dry. 36 games left. Show us something."

My feelings exactly, crawnik. Really felt it last night.

BTW, did not know you or Mrs. crawnik were vegan. Good to have a couple other vegans on TWG! Truth be told, while Mrs. tf is strictly vegan, I'm more "flexitarian". Gotta get my carnivore on every once in a while!

Well, I do from time to time, have shrimp, but have been 100% meat-free since the beginning of the year.

Problems with the Giants are from the top, not the fans nor the players. Could be more veteran player talent of good health and that is on FZ, Team could be managed better by GK in a sounder and more sustainable manner. Rookies surprised and great for the fans. Bailey would likely not have been called to SF save for the Perez injury.

I know it's not the fans. Perhaps you didn't read it right. In my "trying to be comical" paragraph of where Z and Kap are detectives, they interviewed coaches, fans and even vendors. Is that what you were implying or just mis-read it?

Neither. Reflex to throw in positive statement that fans and players not responsible and did not read as deep and with the comprehension and post is humorous and my brain is spazzed.

When things are going bad, this board is a trough crowd. Especially with new material.

Not worried about it all. This is what happens when our team goes south and there is no quick fix.

The kid did better than I thought he would, kept the walks and hits down. Is he next Ace, no. Will he be a good 2, looks like it, especially I'd he can get a 3rd pitch batters respect.

I differ with you in that I believe that Kyle Harrison will be the next ace. His first game stats are very comparable to those of Tim Lincecum and Madison Bumgarner and many other top line pitchers who enter the big leagues in mid-season. Harrison is only three years removed from pitching at the high school level and did not go to college.

I agree. He looked good last night in his first time on an MLB mound, and he will only get better. I hope he pitches every fifth day for the rest of this season.

Mrs. TF walked by the TV in the first or second inning and asked "is that the young phenom? Wow, he looks like he's about sixteen years old." Harrison is also one of the few players we see these days with no facial hair whatsoever.

" The baby-faced assassin"

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FARM REPORT

Position Player of the Day: Bryce Eldridge (ACL Orange) who was 1-3 with a 2-run home run, his 5th home run in 51 at-bats. Hope he gets moved up to San Jose for the play-offs.

Pitcher of the Day: Julio Rodriquez (San Jose) who threw 2 innings walking 2 and striking out 5.

Other notable performances:

Sacramento River Cats ( Won 9-6)

- Tylwer Fitzgerald was 1-5 with a home run and 3-RBI

- Joey Bart went 1-2 with 2-BB, a 2B, SF and an RBI

- Brett Wisely was 2-5 with a 2B

- Armando Alvarez went 2-5 with a SB and 4-RBI

- Mitch Hanigar was 0-3 in his first rehab start

- Eric Miller threw 0.2 innings allowing a walk while striking out 1

Richmond Flying Squirrels ( Lost 4-2)

- Andy Thomas was 1-2 with a BB, HR and 2-RBI

- Ben Madison threw 2 innings allowing an unearned run on 3 hits and a walk while striking out 3

Eugene Emeralds ( Lost 9-3)

- Zach Morgan was 2-3 with a RBI and a BB

- Carter Howell was 1-5 with a solo home run

San Jose Giants ( Lost 12-2)

- Turner Hill was 2-5

- Cole Foster went 1-2 with a BB, Hr and 2-RBI

-Scott Bandura was 1-2 with a 2B

-ACL Orange ( Won 2-1)

- Justin Wishkoski was 1-2 with a BB

- John Brebbia threw an inning striking out 1 in his rehab assignment

- Shane Rademacheer threw 2 innings walking 1 and striking out 3

- Lisander DeLaCruz threw an inning striking out 2 for the save.

Haniger and Brebbia playing in rehab assignments. Thank you, Vint.

Promoting Eldridge would be great. I thought they promoted R. Crawford last year at t his time but I was wrong. So maybe they do not like to make such moves?

Thanks for your report today.

It was announced E is heading to SJ.

I should have read this before I commented.
This is "The Year of Quick Promotions" still.

Hoping for a Happy Flight, but can’t help but notice Cobb is starting a day/away game. Not a formula for success.