There are millions who have lost their jobs from foreign outsourcing, as Trump himself as mentioned. Trump did not save all of the jobs in the Carrier plant in Indianapolis, and to save the jobs that are being kept there, Indiana had to give the company tax breaks. Poverty is a complicated subject. Uneducated people with an opinion are a dime a dozen in America. The lazy people are those conservatives with an opinion who didn't respect their teachers when they were in school, who only wanted to hear what they wanted to hear, and who didn't do well enough to go on to college (less educated people voted for Trump in much larger numbers than did college graduates). If someone had a bad experience and doesn't want to work for some corrupt corporation, more power to them. There are many small towns and rural areas were there are few jobs and no public transportation to speak of for those who cannot afford their own vehicle. As time goes on, many experts in technology are predicting that many jobs will be lost, as they have already been lost, to automation. Even radiologist, who are doctors, could partly be replaced by computers. This talk of lazy people comes from uneducated people who don't understand what economists such as Joseph Stigliz, who won the Nobel prize in economics and who grew up in the industrial city of Gary, IN, are aware of, that wealth has been increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few who continue to become richer and richer, as wages for the average worker have often stagnated. There are plenty of people who work but who don't earn enough to afford necessities. Cases of corporate corruption, such as Enron or the savings and loan scandal or the financial collapse of 2008, are conveniently ignored and edited out of the discussion, because many want to blame poor people, just as Nazis blamed the Jews for Germany's economic problems. And America is a country which has had a tremendous problem of discrimination and racism in its history, Some of these old attitudes have morphed into new forms of scapegoating.

You do live in America right? The first year any President is in office runs off the past Presidents accomplishments or losses.Trumps agenda started in OCT 2017. Your facts are also wrong.Consumer confidence is at a all time LOW. Now show me those numbers next year at this time and if they are up I will give credit where its due.

NICE TRY! But Obamanation has NO "accomplishments" to run off of. The economy started to turn the day we got rid of that incompetent piece of feces!

Boy, you sure like to make up your own facts - consumer confidence IS NOT at an "all time LOW." That was Obamanation's terms.

According to the FACTS, “Consumer confidence increased for a fifth consecutive month and remains at a 17-year high (Nov. 2000, 132.6),” said Lynn Franco, Director of Economic Indicators at The Conference Board. “Consumers’ assessment of current conditions improved moderately, while their expectations regarding the short-term outlook improved more so, driven primarily by optimism of further improvements in the labor market. Consumers are entering the holiday season in very high spirits and foresee the economy expanding at a healthy pace into the early months of 2018.”

LIE MUCH? Don't EVER let the FACTS get in your way.

Neither Trump nor the Republican Congress has done anything to significantly change the thrust of the economy as it developed under President Obama. In two years, when their policies have taken effect, you can brag, but I don't think you will be able to.

The Depression lasted for 8 years . . . poorest RECOVERY since WW II . . . what about that is complicated for you?

What caused the 2008 Global Crash ? ? ?
Do you even have a clue?
Mortages man . . . Trillions in Worthless Mortgages!
Where did they come from?
1993 Community Reinvestment Act . . .

"No one was making bad loans to unqualified people until Democrats came along and threatened to drag banks into court and have them fined and branded as racists if they didn't go along with the left's Affirmative Action lending policies...all while federally insuring their losses. Even the New York Times warned in the late 1990s that Democrats continuing to force banks into lowering their standards would lead to this exact catastrophe.

-Obama himself is even on the record personally helping sue one lender (Citibank) into lowering its lending standards to include people from extremely poor and unstable areas, which even one of the left's favorite blatantly partisan "fact-checkers," Snopes, admits (while pretending to 'set the record straight').

-Even The New York Times admitted that there is "little evidence" of any connection between the "Republican" deregulation measures Obama blames, like the Gramm-Bleach-Liley Act (signed into law by a Democrat), and the collapse of the housing market."
http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Partially correct but mainly wrong. It was the bundling of the mortgages and more in part the insurance on those derivatives that almost took the global financial markets down. Not the CRA.

Jason . . . the CRA was the vehicle that CREATED the enormous pile of worthless mortgages, banks sent them to F&F . . . and F&F created the Derivatives which Wall Street fenced around the globe.

F&F had to move the mortgages on . . . as they were running out of money. Worthless Mortgages created by the CRA of 1993 was 100% responsible for the Global Crash.
No CRA = No Mortgages = No Derivatives = No Crash !

Obama himself is even on the record personally helping sue one lender (Citibank) into lowering its lending standards to include people from extremely poor and unstable areas, which even one of the left's favorite blatantly partisan "fact-checkers," Snopes, admits (while pretending to 'set the record straight').

That was back in his "Community Organizing" Alynski days working for Acorn . . .

Here is a novel idea...try READING that report instead of spewing your own fallacy-laden opinion.

https://www.dallasfed.org/c...

The Federal Reserve in Dallas published a report that stated that more than 50% of the "bad" mortgages and home equity loans had no connection to the CRA. So, yet again you are wrong.

Beyond that, let's assume you are actually right on that point even though you are not in reality. Your argument then goes on to excusing the financial institutions who bundled the mortgages up as derivatives along with the investors who bet against those derivatives. Complete intellectual dishonesty on your part.

So YOU are going to believe the FED? The organization that has been robbing Americans for 100 years?

That only leaves close to 2 TRILLION in F&F mortgages . . .

I stick with REAL Economists and FACTS !

Even Bawney Fwank admitted he dropped the ball after he retired.

Klinton OWNES the 2008 collapse . . .

....which was the result of giving big loans to people with bad credit or insufficient income, because "all Americans DESERVE to own a home." If they hadn't been forced by the government made all those bad loans, price wouldn't have shot up like crazy and a bundle of mortgages would not have been a bad thing to invest in.

Again, partially correct and mainly wrong. Do some reseach on AIG. AIG didn't sell mortgage-back securities. AIG sold insurance on financial and investment instruments. The proverbial "sh*t hit the fan" when everyone realized that AIG was about to go under.

Now if you want to remain ignorant regarding the situation and only blame the people that took the loans out, that is on you. But there is a trail of blame far beyond those people to include mortgage underwriters, ratings agencies, investment banks and AIG who are all also at fault.

You misunderstand me. I am not blaming the people who took the loans. I would do the same thing. I'm blaming a system, including all the entities you listed PLUS the government, for getting us into this mess.

Now, that's not an answer... I guess you meant to so say "no." pathetic!

The great triumph of our far-left – communists, Marxists, socialists, liberals, progressives, and Democrats – was to call us, normal Americans enamored of the Constitution and limited government – the far right, the Nazis, and the fascists. Let us remember the real name of the Hitler’s party, namely “Deutsche Nazional-Sozialistische Arbeiter Partei” –or in English “The German National Socialist Workers Party”. The name of the Mussolini’s party was “Partito Socialista Italiano” – i.e. “Italian Socialist Party”. Their names, their politics, their methods were of the extreme LEFT kind! In this our left has adopted the propaganda language of the defunct USSR.

If you knew the actually definition of Socialism, you would understand how clever Hitler was to use that word. It was propaganda, plain and simple. Tell the people what they want to hear and they'll believe you. Just like the populist message Obama and Trump campaigned on but never had any intention of instituting. Like a media outlet that calls themselves "Fair and Balanced", and is anything but. It's propaganda 101.

Trump is actually implementing the agenda he campaigned on. That's why so many people are scared!

No he's not. He campaigned on a populist message. He was closer to Bernie than Hillary was. The great thing about the internet is, anyone can go back in time and see and hear what Trump was saying during the campaign. He talked about ending our occupation and war in the middle east. Instead, he's tripled down. He talked about tighter restrictions on banks. Instead, he's done ever greater deregulation and gave them more financial handouts than Obama and Bush combined. He talked about fixing economic inequality. Instead, his tax bill gives 73% of all benefits to the top 1%. He talked about cheaper, better, more accessible healthcare for everybody. Thank God his bill didn't pass, because it would've been just the opposite. Just like everything else he's done. He said he would "Drain the swamp". If you honestly believe he did, then he obviously found his cabinet buried in the ground water.

We know what Trump said, and he is keeping his promises as he can. The fascist left (Democrat Party) is desperately attempting to obstruct and stop him from obliterating Obammie's destruction of America. All Trump obstructed was the final destruction of a constitutional republic by beating Hillary...MAGA!

Really? It's the Dems stopping Trump? Trump holds the Whitehouse. The Republicans have the majority in the House and Senate. The Dems can't stop Trump from doing much of anything. The truth is, the Republicans are the ones who've stopped Trump. He can't even get his own party in line.

Pointtaken. McConnell chooses to not employ the constitutional option, so he is a huge problem. In fact, the Senate GOP seems to be the 'swampier' part of Congress...

Perhaps we could agree that the vast majority of Congress, republican and democrat, are dredged from the swamp. Trump is not the problem as much as he's a symptom of the problem. Both parties sent their thoughts and prayers to the Florida shooting victims and their families, all the while, collected tens of millions of dollars from the NRA and both parties loosened restrictions on gun purchases. Both parties agreed to increase the already over bloated pentagon budget to the tune of 160 billion dollars. Both parties overwhelmingly agree to bomb and invade more foreign countries. Both parties agreed to deregulate banks and wall street. Obama had a filibuster proof house and senate for almost a year after he got elected. He didn't crack down on the banks and wall street. He didn't give us single payer healthcare. He didn't pass gun legislation. He didn't pull out of the middle east. So the notion that people think he's some kind of fascist or worse, a liberal, is just blind party allegiance. He's a corporatist, just like all the rest of them. Our party leaders are not interested in, nor practice, serving their constituents. They're running a game on the American people, pitting us against each other based on fear and ideology, and we are fully buying into it. I guess we deserve what we got.

The swamp needs drained, but is is extensive and seeps down to the local level. Lots of work to do! MAGA!

And Trump is NOT gonna do anything to change the current system. Why would he? He's benefitting from it like he never did before. He has a majority, he can pretty much pass anything he wants. He has executive order privilege. What exactly, specifically, has he done to help the American people?

Agreed, additionally, he walked among these slimy creatures for many years and knows their schemes and games...THAT scares the shit out of them!! MAGA!

If I knew . . . lol
Let's ask an Expert . . .

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Vladimir Lenin

Obama was a Marxist . . . just ask Rev Wright, Frank Marshall Davis and his Grandfather!

"Fascism" is a term that was originally coined by the Italian dictator Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after World War I. Mussolini's Italian Fascism was a nationalist form of extreme socialism whereas Trotskyism was/is a internationalist form of extreme socialism -- with Leninism being somewhere in between.

First of all, just because Lenin was a dictator doesn't make him an expert on all governing bodies. Secondly, traversing socialism to communism was Lenins' agenda, not the agenda of socialism. That's like saying, "All speed limits are meant to be doubled" Certainly there are those who would think that's a great idea, but it's not the intended purpose of the speed limit. Words are used for propaganda all the time. Fox News has made it a staple. They are the TMZ of politic news. There is plenty of information available to help you understand what socialism actually is. There's even multiple countries who practice socialism. Yes, they pay higher taxes, but they benefit from a higher standard of living. And unlike here, the home of democracy, those people are actually represented. For healthcare, add up your premium, deductible, co-pay and incidentals. Your paying more than people in Canada. Add to that, you have to keep your fingers crossed that your insurance doesn't deny your claim. Yes, that actually happens. But guess what, not in those countries. You don't living in a Democracy. The U.S. is an empire, fast approaching it's demise, as all empires have before. The political parties are nothing more than theatre to keep us distracted. The politicians are actors who obey their donors, not their constituents. It's all corrupt and your asleep.

Everywhere "Socialism" has been practiced on the planet it has led to your Freedoms being eroded and Failure.
Venezuela is the perfect example today . . . a decade ago it was hailed by Sean Penn, Mickey Moore and probably YOU as the new socialist paradise. Not working out well I would suggest.

ALL of the Euro socialist states are Failing today . . . Marxism/socialism is now the mantra of the DNC.
Most Euro countries today are being overwhelmed by new arrivals from the middle east . . . who have no intention of joining society and working hard . . . they just went there for the Socialist Handouts. And govts like Sweden is arresting real citizens for objecting to the invasion.

Canada's healthcare . . . lol
Hurry up and WAIT is the motto . . . and only getting worse.
In most provinces HC now takes over 1/2 of the entire Provincial budget. But patients are waiting longer.
Taxes in Canada are far higher than the USA . . . and it was Obama and his insane ObyCare that really pushed the envelope in the USA.

"The politicians are actors who obey their donors, not their constituents. It's all corrupt and your asleep." ? ?
That is exactly why in 2016 the Thinking Citizens elected a Businessman to run the country. Time to weed out the useless politicians in Both Parties . . . as well as the corrupt individuals in the Govt who stay from one adminstration to the next.

But . . . when you look around the world . . . no other country has the Freedom of the USA. NONE !
USA is an "Empire" ? ? ?
What is becoming an empire today is China . . .

You are aware that "Socialism" is the Economic Engine of Communism . . . ALL totalitrian regimes of the 20th Century were Socialists. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Castro, Chauvez, and likely dozens of others.

Thatcher was correct . . . Socialism = shared poverty.

Have you ever read Karl Marx ? ? ?
He is credited with being the author of socialist doctrine.

"Fascism" is a term that was originally coined by the Italian dictator Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after World War I. Mussolini's Italian Fascism was a nationalist form of extreme socialism whereas Trotskyism was/is a internationalist form of extreme socialism -- with Leninism being somewhere in between.

So was Mussolini a totally original thinker?

Mussolini was quite intellectual and his thinking was in fact much more up-to-date than that would suggest. He was certainly influenced by Marx and the ancient world but he had a whole range of ideas that extended beyond that. And where did he turn for up-to-date ideas? To America, of course! And the American ideas that influenced him were in fact hard to miss. They were the ideas of the American "Progressives". And who was the best known Progressive in the world at that time? None other than the President of the United States -- Woodrow Wilson -- the man who was most responsible for the postwar order in Europe. So Mussolini had to do little more than read his newspapers to hear at least some things about the ideas of the very influential American Progressives.

" There's even multiple countries who practice socialism. Yes, they pay higher taxes, but they benefit from a higher standard of living. And unlike here, the home of democracy, those people are actually represented." ? ? ?

Like Venezuela today . . . .

Socialism is about the "Collective" the Universal Good . . . rather than the US Constitution Model . . . the Freedom of the Individual. Socialism has been a failure all over the planet . . . look at Europe today . . . In Britain, Sweden, France and Germany you can get arrested for being Critical of Izzlam.
How insane is that . . . izzzlam is an ideology . . .

You mention Canada and their dismal HC . . . are you aware that in many Cdn Provinces near 1/2 of their budget is for HC? You can wait up to a year for some procedures, and conditions are getting worse daily.
Income Taxes are HIGH, Gasoline is over $5 a gallon in many cities . . . and the Parliament is passing Speech Laws to protect Izzzlam today ! The PM is an Abject Moron . . . but like many US Dhimmikkkrat States they luv their morons.

Ontar-i-owe is the most indebted jurisdiction per capita in North America . . . California is I think second. Perhaps you have checked out the conditions in Socialist CA lately? Streets of downtown San Fran are covered in Human Waste and Homeless encampments. LA has over 400 camps . . . ALL due to lame Progressive nonsense.

"The U.S. is an empire, fast approaching it's demise, as all empires have before. The political parties are nothing more than theatre to keep us distracted. The politicians are actors who obey their donors, not their constituents. It's all corrupt and your asleep." ? ? ?

I would argue that is exactly what Trump ran against . . . and is attempting to change today . . . with much squealing and protesting by the Progressive insane left !

Venezuela is a tired argument. Clearly you don't know the history of Venezuela, or your choosing to ignore it. The U.S., and to a lesser degree, Great Britain have decimated Venezuela since the 50's. We've occupied them, assassinated their leaders, instigated coups, sanctioned them, embargoed them, funded and trained Death Squads and done everything short of war to suppress them. MSM doesn't report such violations, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. To suggest that socialism failed in Venezuela is disingenuous and shows how uninformed you are. But by all means, keep rolling this propaganda out, I'm sure you'll find an enthusiastic and uneducated audience.

As for Trump, once again, he ran as a populist. We've been over this. He said he'd get out of the middle east. Result: We are still there. He increased drone strikes 400%. He's helping Saudi Arabia in their war with Yemen. He dropped the Mother Of All Bombs. He increased the Pentagon budget, twice in one year, to an additional 160 billion dollars.

He said he would reel in the banks and wall street. Result: He did even more deregulation. His tax bill gives 83% of the benefits to the top 1% of the nation. Trust me, you aren't one of them.

He said NO CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY. Result: He's cutting 800 billion dollars from the program. Ironically, that what this years Pentagon budget is.

I get that you probably get hard knowing that half of your tax dollars go to military spending. It shows how great and mighty this country is. Meanwhile, you pound your fist in disgust at having to spend $34 dollars a year for social programs. I'll bet your a good, God fearing christian too.

"Venezuela is a tired argument." . . . . lol

Venezuela has some of the largest Oil Reserves on the friggin planet ! Yet today after a decade of Socialism they CANNOT load a SINGLE Oil Tanker.

So how about we talk about the Soviet Union = failure !
Or the Socialists cities in the USA . . . Detroit, Stockton CA, Baltimore, San Fran, LA . . . and I could go on and on.

Failures ALL . . . some have declared Bankruptcy already, many more to come . . . will Chicago be next. But in your weak mind we just have not done it correct . . . yet !

Trump is doing a great job . . . ISIS all but eliminated, the Economy doing the best in Decades.
Unemployment at 17 year low . . .
Black Unemployment lowest in recorded history . . .
Taxes DOWN . . .
Business confidence and expansion best in decades.

But you being a "Socialist" are against that . . .

The world is a dangerous place today . . . as the Chinese are getting more and more aggressive, you want a Weaker Military? Then factor in the second biggest problem in the world today . . . the Insane Ideology of Izzzlam.
Are you aware that in Germany, Holland, Sweden, Britain and France . . . the most COMMON NAME for a Newborn is what ?
MooooHAMed ! ! !

It is becoming obvious to many in Europe today that izzzlam and Western Democracies are Incompatible!

Bet you were just beside yourself when Obama gave Billions of dollars and Weapons to Morsi and his Moooslim Brotherhood gang in Egypt . . . and you were likely just as upset as Obama was when the Egyptian Military took the tyrant Morsi out !

"Tell the people what they want to hear and they'll believe you." Actually, it is "Tell the people what you want them to hear...", and you are defining NYT, WaPO, MSNBC, & CNN,

I won't argue with that. MSM is bought and paid for and only report what their donors want reported. But thats ALL MSM, including Fox. If your certain that NYT, WaPO, MSNBC & CNN are all corrupt because they've been caught spreading "fake news", then it's impossible to believe that Fox is the only bastion of righteousness. They've been caught out too.

I agree; there are many times I turn Fox off these days...they sometimes tell half of a story, or totally ignore a bigger story for silly, trending topics...

If it's possible for you to comprehend the quotes you cited with an open mind, then perhaps you could see that those very quotes describe where America is right now. 90% of ALL the media not only in this country, but globally, is controlled by 6 corporations. Each of those corporations are run by 12 individuals call board members. As such 72 people control all the media(TV, Radio, Print, Internet) you ingest. Not necessarily government run, but still a minority ruling the majority. Mr. Bezos owns the Washington Post and has a 600 million dollar contract with the CIA. Is it possible that the Washington Post could become a propaganda outlet for the CIA? Since you seem to enjoy using quotes to make your point, allow me the same discretion. "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws". Mayer Rothschild, the champion of capitalism. I suppose the countries who are governed by Democratic Socialism are lying about their economic, health and welfare index, all of which it better than our index. You've been lied to and indoctrinated, please free yourself. Your blind and ignorant ideology is rendering you a fool.

You are correct about the media . . . I have been saying that since the late 80s . . . media control started long ago . . .

J.P. Morgan, the Council on Foreign relations US media exposed.flv
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Read Gary Allen's book in the 70s on the Rothschilds and the numerous groups like the Fabian Socialists, US Progressives, and Marxist sympathisers like Jacob Schiff . . .
Mussolinin and Hitler looked up to Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

The entire DNC has today been infested with far-left loons . . . and there are some on the Repub side as well.
But the real problem is almost 1/2 of the US population today is Willing to Trade their Freedom for FREE STUFF.

The disease of Socialism is pushed in out schools by Union Teachers, has pretty much taken over our Universities with Marxist Progessors . . . Obama's favorite folks . . . as he said in his book.

Just watching the students from the High School in Florida as they rail against guns in a mindless rage on CNN is more than disturbing in the new Millennium. Not a lot of critical thinking going on any more. Historical Illiteracy is rampant.

I guess I'm not understanding your complaint. Your upset at kids protesting the fact that they shouldn't have to worry about going to school and being shot? My complaint is that these kids in Florida are sounding like kids in a third world country. Perhaps that is exactly what this country has become. Talk about fascism. Every text, email and phone call is monitored in this country. The NSA program that does this is call Trailblazer. One can't walk around a city without being monitored by cameras. Now Trump is calling for teachers to be armed in classrooms. This sounds like something they do in Russia, China or North Korea. If this is were we are as a country, and we are there, than perhaps democracy and capitalism has failed.