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That's nothing! One fine day, as I was innocently digging for pipis on Stockton Beach I uncovered the tip of a wooden object that appeared to be man-made rather than mere debris. My curiosity got the better of me. I excavated further. Two hours later, much to my astonishment, I had unearthed the prow of a Viking long boat! Upon further excavation, it came to pass that mine eyes beheld a sight not seen for more than a thousand years: there, some metres from the prow, lay a motley collection of shields, spears, tarred ropes, and what appeared to be helmets! Although all were corroded to varying extents by the ravages of time, they were recognisable, even to an amateur layman such as myself.The day lengthened. I continued to dig, despite the skin torn from my questing fingers and the nails torn and painful. Eventually, I uncovered unmistakeable human remains amidships! I wept uncontrollably for these ancient seafarers who had braved the oceans wide in their quest for new lands and who had the extreme misfortune to never again see the fjords and grassy meadows of their native land of the faraway north.What to do? I sat and pondered and eventually decided to re-bury these courageous venturers as they rested alongside their brothers. I was glad that a crowd had not gathered to witness what I had encountered and it is only I who can tell the tale or reveal the exact location of this ancient burial. I made a solemn vow to keep their resting place secret to the end of my days.Here endeth my tale.
it is a pity, that you did not record it or took pictures of it. Wayne Shipton and mayself found two large panels of more orthodoxengravings some 30 metres from the Glyph site, but had no camera, hence I am unable to prove it, unless I find them again.
Consider u tube my name. Watch the vid I left. Id love yo re find these other glypths for you. If any one can read them, its me.
I think it might have been a joke from Woy Woy's most famous citizen ,Spike Miligan.
which woy means much, and which woy mean water?
He told us he was sick!
well if you came all this way from Egypt, wouldn't you call in to Woy Woy as well?
Why on earth would the ancient Egyptians pass up Northern Queensland to settle at Woy Woy? All it needs to construct this site is a library book on Egyptian hieroglyphs, a small chisel and a lot of spare time.
There a few Experts, who can read Pre and Proto Egyptian Glyphs, Even Professor Kanawake of Macquary University could not read them but admitted they were Egyptian Glypth, the same as the Minister for National Parks and Wildlife Services admitted in a letter to me, that the were Egyptian Glyphs. But I am only partly interested in the Glyphs. The fact that there are Underground Chambers that need to be investigated by professionals would clarify the origin of the Glyphs.The fact that Nefer Djeseb describes in the glyphs certain aspects of the building of the underground chambers as well as from where the rocks came, that littered once the western plain above the Grave site, as well as the fact, that Nefer-Ti-Ru is buried in the red earth section. As the Red Earth section is the inside of the hieroglyphic site only, the red color was obtained from Iron Oxide, Red ocre to you..And incidently, the glyphs were engraved with stone chisels.
No worse than Aboriginal "dreamtime" stories, and in fact in many ways more credible.
Same could be said for Adam and Eve
But people believe those stories Vicky, some of us don't due to the lack of credible evidence.RegardsBob
That is a very long bow
Save this story for April the First !
All black races came from the Egyptians who were super intelligent & travelled the ancient world establishing other cultures such as the Mayans. It is highly likely that the ancient Egyptians were the fore fathers of our Aboriginies.
It is much more likely that the First Australians are the fore fathers of the Egyptians, but that is another story.
I think you may have an argument there with Steve Strong. Nefer Djeseb, who build the structure, was a descendant of Cheops (Khufu) about 4500 years ago. The Aborigines on the other hand, have been here much longer. See research at Lake Mungo.
Wow. Just wow.
I know of one ancient Egyptian who lives on the CC. He catches the 07:45 from Wyong every morning and uses his senior's card to purchase his ticket.
I have been studying Kariong for near on 11 years, I have more to do at 69 than waste my time. I study from a different prospective than Von Senff. Readers need to know that researchers who are not committed to Govt policies or wage systems also share our authenticity views. The last thing our Govt wants is truth, imagine the Egyptian, Phoenicians or Spanish making land claims along side our traditional owners.I wont share any UFO or star person dreaming, I only deal with whats in front of my face, I have visited Kariong numerous times and I have 1000's of photos, I have photos of OOPI's that are not part of the Oz bi-ota, landscape or cultural dreamtime, I have studied most claims re Gosford students and Syd. Uni students and any one who believes these youg persons could perform this artwork with a sidchrome wheel brace, well your as thick as the rock the glyphs sit on.If you want photos please feel free to contact me at firstname.lastname@example.orgBob CluttonHabana Mackay Nth Qld
Tim, dont know why you nominated Nth Qld. but you got that statement right. Everywhere from Cairns south there are landing points from either Egyptian or Phoenicians, -- we have off shore islands that have unexplainable mining, we have man-made ocean roads that any team of todays road builders would freak-out over, Yes we did have artefacts, but these have been "lost" in Govt analysis work, goggle Freshwater Point Qld for a starter, if its photos you want refere to my last comment and email address. In relation to Kariong there are to many OOPI's "thats Out Of Place Items" which dont belong, or are not natural to the Gosford area or landscape. I must emphasise that I believe in this ancient site, I believe in the work of vonSenff and his interpretation of the Ray Johnson papers, Hans does not get it right 100% everytime but He does keep working at it, he does seek comments and opinions from Egyptoligist I also find validity in reports from National Park Rangers who have witnessed kids,students and others making their mark, I also have photos of the 3rd wall which does have script, this could be what the Ranger saw? We are all to quick wanting instant answers and if one seks and thinks outside the square, one can find reason or expanations for each and every report. What one cant do is mary up a work time schedule to complete these tasks I have collected photos from other Kariong site visitors from 2001 - 2004 - 2006 and in my humble opinion the one item which I believe to be man-made and totaly unexplainable, is the trough type item 60 mtrs away, 2 levels up. I have sent photos of this OOPI all around the world, nobody can i/d it, I have had all sorts of bs rammed down my pc from Iron stone banding, nutural hydrothermal to indigenous birthing canal fairy tale, none of these claims have validity or back-up. This item is completly out of place. Do I have an opinion? I certainly do, too many research hours. I like vonSenff have nothing to sell contri to comments by others. I will be releasing a paper in the near future, be right be it wrong, this site does more world wide than any expensive advertising campain. Before closing I question all those who keep trying to discredit researchers, you have to question if they are trying to hide something. .
Bob...do you have an email address to which I can reply.
we have begun creating a documentary about this discovery. We are learning that many more "strange" artefacts have been found in Australia. Our film is combining scientific research with aboriginal dreaming stories to debate the possibility of a history we do not know.... the documentary is called Wirritjin.
Olivia, I was there when you followed Steve Strong into the Chamber, followed by your film crew. Please make sure that you don't edit out the part inside the chambers, show them, as they are. And let those, who believe in the Hoax Theory, howl in frustration, that their long held wish, was just that... a Hoax.
The fact is, I said nothing about the glyphs in the Press release. As soon as the word Kariong is mentioned, people jump to conclusions.The Press release showed other, underground chambers, which were not made public. The fact, that Steve Strong and a filmcrew entered the chamber from the East Wall, bottom end, shows, that it is accessible, not like the undergroud chambers, that have been blocked off byNational Parks and Wildlife Service. The roof of the chamber, adjacent to the Glyphs, must have weighted up to 200 tonnes. No white men in secret, could have moved it, no black men could have done so, because there would be no need for it, only the people, who needed the various chambers, to bury Nefer-Ti-Ru somewhere in it would have had a reason. And the reason is enscribed on the 2 walls, which, being written in Pre and Proto-Egyptian glyphs, proved too hard for the learned Egyptologists, who have a command of 1000 to 1250 glyphs.
It is good to see trained archaeologist and historians sound off about the chambers, but not one of them has bothered to enquire about them, before opening their mouth, or even asked for a copy of them. More the pity.
I also would like to thank Mathew Kelly, for writing a balaced article.
There is ZERO evidence (apart from crude hieroglyphs) of Egyptians living or operating in the area.
If there crashed their boat here, I'm sure they would have had much better things to do than sit in a cave for weeks/months chiseling these hieroglyphs out.....I don't know maybe they would have been better to spend that time repairing their boat.
The truth is usually the easiest and most logical answer....easiest and most logical - A local thought he'd have some fun and carve them, over time they have been added to by other like minded people.
That is just the Point, Frank, These Glyphs are Pre and Proto Dynastic Glyphs. If a Professor cant read it, because he studied Middle Egyptian, then how do you think, students could write the whole understandable text, including where the mummy of Nefer Djeseb is buried. That would be like the German pro-verb states. " The calf (students) are smarter then the cow (professor)."
Can't we get one of our universities to do a serious examination, and confirm or deny once and for all!Surely the funding would not be too great for a local expedition.
The Anubis figure has been photographed both with and before, without the middle line in centre of his ears. Macquarie Uni sent a team to study the 'glyphs'. Countless informed academics have pronounced them recent fakes. But nothing stops a true believer.
P.K. Your information about Macquarie University raises a valid point. You say that countless academics have pronounced them as recent fakes. Sorry, but Academics get it wrong, especially if they are just repeat, in parrot like fashion , what they heard at Uni. or read in the papers. The Point I am making is. Forget the glyphs, investigate the underground chambers, only two metres underground, Pictures were sent out in the Press release, Then, once the made an archaeological survey as regards to size etc. , all published, hence in the public domain, then let the same archaeologist come back, report on it, and apologise to the public. Or does anyone think, that a press release is sent off, based on wishful thinking, if one does not have the pictorial evidenceto prove the facts?
This is exactly what we are trying to achieve, protect the whole site, especially the underground chambers, which has been blocked off completely by National Parks. More important, the glyphs represent the (so far) oldest document in NSW, the text is known and all it takes are professionals, to investigate the site, which was build like a cardhouse. Only 1 metre below the surface, is the burrieddoor to eternity, some 9. metres long. What is needed is genuine Research, based on a visual inspection and an archaeological survey.
Being part "gypsy" I Might have some egyption in me -does that give me land rights?
Can't someone actually chemically date the length of time that the chipped away rock has been exposed to the air?
Why not do a course on rock chemistry and how it changes due to exposure to the atmosphere ?
Will it be as famous as Nessy? Maybe not !
Take it easy on the Schnaps Hans it can distort your perceptions and conclusions.
There is a famous egyptian hieroglyph saying "to know the truth you must use all your senses .. grasshopper"
So don't let your learned senses get distorted !
Thanks for the Warning. But you touch a valid point, because in International Law, once you can prove possession, no matter how long ago, you may have a claim, just like the Jews, who were given Israel in 1949, after having to leave it.
Your can pick your friends but you can not pick your ancestors!
Even the Egyptians were not prepared to live in Woy Woy!!!!
Entirely possible. Egyptians also had the Boomerang.
They say Woy, I say Woy not!
The glyphs are fake and one of its 'true believers' has been sprung faking an alleged 'Egyptian' artefact from Western Sydney. The glyph text is actually from a Wallis Budge textbook:http://karionghieroglyphs.b...
Here is an extract from the above web article: "My conclusion was these Australian glyphs were perpetrated by person(s) with more enthusiasm than knowledge sometime in the late 70s, early 80, using the cheap Dover edition of Sir Wallis Budge's Hieroglyphic Dictionary - which one should note contains no Egyptian grammar or orthography.
Years ago on the Fortean list I was asked to look at the Australian
Hieroglyphs for the group. I was given transcriptions based on tracings.
I concluded it was done by an English speaker with a shallow acquaintance of Hieroglyphics and here's the 5 reasons why.
1: There are numerous canonical errors (the serekh is a real mess and the image of Anubis is not in Egyptian proportions) and numerous orthographic errors, and the whole thing is crudely done. None of these things excludes an Ancient Egyptian author (Lord knows they left some right messes behind them on occasion) but the plethora of errors suggests otherwise.
2: All Egyptian sentences begin with a verb followed by suffixes to indicate subject. No such constructions were present, rather they followed English syntax with verbs placed midsentence.
3: Whomever wrote this assumed a class of hieroglyph called determinatives (a semantic clarifiers of the preceding phonetic section) were a ideographs that stood for the thing without a phonetic element. They then used these determinatives as logographs: a common error with modern beginners but not one a literate native Egyptian could have made.
Then I was shown photographs - and that changed everything: inarguable proof beyond doubt this was a modern hoax.
4: There were glyphs present that were not in use until the Middle and New Kingdoms.
5: Palaeographically, glyphs were drawn in different ways in different eras, so at a glance one can tell which era the text was written it.
And this ladies and gentlemen is the nail in the sarcophagus.
The Australian glyphs were in a style known as "Budgite" which is to say they were drawn in the style of the Hieroglyphic Font simplified and designed by Sir Wallis Budge for his Hieroglyphic dictionary in the early part of the 20th Century - style that never existed in Egypt.
My conclusion was these Australian glyphs were perpetrated by person(s) with more enthusiasm than knowledge sometime in the late 70s, early 80, using the cheap Dover edition of Sir Wallis Budge's Hieroglyphic Dictionary - which one should note contains no Egyptian grammar or orthography.
1920. An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, With an Index of English Words, King List and Geographical List with Index, List of Hieroglyphic Characters, Coptic and Semitic Alphabets, etc.. (London: John Murry. Reprinted New York: Dover Publications., 1978)
As you can see the Dover edition was printed in 1978 which is in the right era to fit into the timeline of events , even the original copy printed in 1920 could be valid but the cheaper,smaller Dover edition was used by local schools as a reference book."
Thankyou!!! Very concise. I thought the photo made it obvious though. If they were carved thousands of years ago there would be noticeable wear and tear, they wouldn't look that freshly carved. Cleary this was to publisize and sell Dr Hans book, Egyptians in Australia.
Im with the Doc.
I live in Sarina Qld and I have found a "sling stone" in an area reported to have been mined for malachite (copper) calaverite, (telluride gold) and other things.. so my question is how the hell do boomerangs get to Egypt and sling stone's come to Australia??
The only link I can see, would be boats sailed from one place to another and a swap of cultural items.
There is also much evidence supporting the theory that a polymorphic cement (in this case made from a mixture of lime stone pumice stone, dolomite and crushed furnace slag) was used commonly in the area for the construction of slabs up to 12 inches thick on inshore harbours, some even had a non slip surface of an inch thick layer of cement and shell grit!
Oh and "where is the evidence", only "all around the bloody place", if you doubters and academic know it all's ever bothered to actually visit these sites you would be amazed.
Like Bob Clutton said, the islands which have been mined (for the finest Turquoise, Copper, Iron etc) have had roads built (with mining overburden) back to the main land and are clearly seen with the use of Google Earth these can be walked on at low tide even to this day.
These types of operations do not happen overnight, which means that there is a reasonable likelihood, that these settlements were here for centuries.
I have heard that the advent of town expansion has not only thwarted but also covered vast areas of land which had formerly been the settlements. In fact although there will always be doubters, it is said that as much as half of the town of Sarina has been built smack bang on top of the ancient settlement.
I mean why make new roads when the existing ones just need to be widened.
There is ample evidence, in the form of furnace slag, which indicate that someone has been not only mining, but also crushing and smelting metal from the rock right there on the beach...
And in addition, how the hell did millions of tons of rocks end up on only the north facing neck of the freshwater point isthmus?? When one looks at the south facing neck there is nothing.
Again these rocks appear to be mining over burden and this is what struck me as strange about the area when I moved here recently. Particularly as there are chunks of calcite and quartz, as big as and bigger than you fist just lying there, when you see what I mean with your own eyes it is obvious that none of this rock was from here and has been laid down to assist in access to and from the sea, in terms of reducing the impact of the local mud and mangroves which occur just after a small sandy section of beach ( the same as on the southern facing neck).
As much as one respects the Aboriginal history, there are no prizes for guessing that the Aborigines are not responsible for these impacts on the local environment and technology used here.
At one point, the leading historian/archaeologist in the area took some James Cook University boffins to the site of an ancient fish trap. It was a strange occurrence as the boffins made it quite clear that while they are here out of interest "they are not here" and would deny that they had come if any one ever asked them.
After seeing the fish trap (in an effort to debunk without evidence) it was claimed to be an aboriginal enterprise.
The irony is. that there was an aboriginal fish trap, which could feed approximately 20 to 50 people per day
The aboriginal trap was estimated by Val, to have been made by using stones from a much, much bigger and older fish trap, one capable of feeding upwards of 500 people per day..( and remember that 3,500 years ago this place would have been teeming with fish).
When Val invited the local Mackay Aboriginal elders to come and look at the fish trap, they asked " where is the fish trap?" To which it was replied " your standing on it!!"
"What!! this here you mean"?? ( as they stood on the massive stone wall of the ancient bronze age fish trap). Yep...
To which the elders replied " Nahh That's not our work, we didn't build this mate"
There has been LOADS of evidence found, from stone anchors, to a significant section of an ancient "sun stone" as well as a whole chariot axle and complete with centre hub, an ancient ceramic bowl with a bull glazed motif, none of which would have been used by aboriginals
Anyway, I have no doubt that the anglophile Australian history books, which say Australia was discovered by Captain Cook in the late eighteenth century will be difficult to change because the victors write the history and no upstanding Queens council would ever argue the point, Furthermore no university historian would ever argue with the very same books he had to reference while attaining his degree (eg, BA = Books Available MBA = More Books Available)
My degree is in science, but it doesn't stop me from being able to identify rocks or furnace slag for that matter, nor hinder my ability to see structure and order and anomaly. These abilities have been learned and have been tested many times over the years of fossicking and the fact that my father was both a design and structural engineer who taught me ALOT and my grandfather was an engineer for BHP in Newcastle as a metallurgist, both of them responsible for testing and developing the pearlite industry in Aus as well as the stainless steel welding rod and the "silent coupling" which we now use in heavy transport with prime movers and is used all around the world since BHP took the idea.
Ok my degree isn't in History or archaeology but the evidence and the facts remain here as well as in other places in Australia despite what the poo hooers say.
It is not worth their while to investigate this evidence, because they would be the subject of ridicule themselves and besides that, they get paid well to sprout those balls of knowledge about Captain Cook. Otherwise they would be like the Doc and Val and Don and a growing amount of others who are ridiculed by people just like them.
Well the world isn't flat boys and if you look at other lands where the Phoenician, Yemenite and Egyptians have set up camp, these sites are exactly the same..
Oh yeah and before I sign off, can any of the ridiculous university boffins come up with any reason why water buffalo (a native of Asia) could come be in central to north Queensland??. Perhaps there was an ancient land bridge??
Or perhaps someone brought them here in big boats and picked them up in Bali or Siam, and used them here for beasts of burden to cart rocks and pull carts for the crusher to be smelted and the bullion taken back to Egypt with articals such as the boomerang and the turquoise and the gold and gemstones etc..after the collapse of the bronze age sea trade, they (buffalo) along with the remaining evidence were left and remain here to be seen to this day.Australia was known to the Egyptians and named the great "Land of Ophir".According to Val Osbourne, a round trip journey could have taken up to two years or more as the boats would stop along the way at various places and always return absolutely laden full of gold, turquoise, silver, gemstone. copper and even mercury. One can start to feel sorry for the poor bloke who got stranded down south (son of the Egyptian King) he was probably on the journey of a lifetime and would have returned home to a worthy son, travelling to the ends of the earth to the great land of Ophir and returning with ceremony proving his status as a triumphant son of the King. But all he got was a broken ship, its no wonder he described being in "this wretched place carried by ship"
LOL. Have known about it for years. Only the nuttiest nuts believe it's anything but the work of an amateur.
so if a professional did it you would be convinced?!?!
Yes Martin, provided they were international experts, not people, who sight unseen, declared the site a hoax. The problem is, there is so much professional jealousy about this matter, it will have to be resolved, one way or the other. Incidently I just got information, minutes ago, of Glyphs found in North Queenslandin Proserpine and reported in the Queensland Press. The reaction of the then QLD. Dept of National Parks is identical to those comments made in NSW. Once I get the full details, I'll report on it including a transliteration of the glyphs, if possible.
Hi Dr Hansvonsenff, some friends and i have recently begun to study this whole subject in depth. I am wondering if you have anymore information about the glyphs you heard of in Nth Queensland. If so, can you let me know please. (email@example.com). Much appreciated. Jo
and the earth is flat
Egyptian hieroglyphs found in New South Wales: Wollombi west of Cessnock.The hieroglyphs tell the tale of early Egyptian explorers, injured and stranded, in ancient Australia. The discovery centres around a most unusual set of rock carvings found in the National Park forest of the Hunter Valley, 100 km north of Sydney. The enigmatic carvings have been part of the local folklore of the area for nearly a century with reports of people who sighted them as far back as the early 1900's. The site was secretly visited by families "in the know" in the 1950's and fell back into local mythology for a couple of decades until it was accidentally rediscovered by a man looking for his lost dog. The carvings are in a rock cleft, a large block of split sandstone on a cliff-face that has created a small chasm or "chamber" of two flat stone walls facing each other that widens out from two to four metres and is covered in by a huge flat rock as a "roof" at the narrow end. The cleft is most cave-like and only accessible by a small rock chute from above or below, well disguised from the average bush-walker. When you first come up the rock chute and climb into the stone hallway you are immediately confronted by a number of worn carvings that are obviously ancient Egyptian symbols. These are certainly not your average Aboriginal animal carvings, but something clearly alien in the Australian bush setting. There are at least 250 hieroglyphs. At the end of the chamber, protected by the remaining section of stone roof, is a remarkable third-life sized carving of the ancient Egyptian god "Anubis", the Judge of the Dead ! The hieroglyphic text was apparently written under the instruction of a ship's captain or similar, with the corner glyph on the wall displaying the title of a high official or chief priest. The scribe is speaking for his Highness, the Prince, from this wretched place where we were carried by ship. The expedition's leader, is described in the inscriptions as the King's son, 'Lord Djes-eb', who came to grief a long way from home. The hieroglyphics sketch his journey and his tragic demise. Burial rituals, prayers and preparations are described. For two seasons he made my way westward, weary, but strong to the end. Always praying, joyful, and smiting insects. He, the servant of God, said God brought the insects. Have gone around hills and deserts, in wind and rain, with no lakes at hand. He was killed while carrying the Golden Falcon Standard up front in a foreign land, crossing mountains, desert and water along the way. He, who died before, is here laid to rest. May he have life everlasting. He is never again to stand beside the waters of the Sacred Mer. Mer meaning 'love'. There was a moat around the pyramid called the "waters of Mer". The second facing wall, which was much more seriously eroded, details the tragedy further. This wall begins with the badly eroded glyph of a snake (Heft), with a glyph of jaws (to bite) and the symbol for 'twice'. The snake bit twice. Those followers of the diving Lord 'Khufu', mighty one of Lower Egypt, Lord of the Two Adzes, not all shall return. We must go forward and not look back. All the creek and river beds are dry. Our boat is damaged and tied up with rope. Death was caused by snake. We gave egg-yolk from the medicine-chest and prayed to Amen, the Hidden One, for he was struck twice. We walled in the side entrance to the chamber with stones from all around. We aligned the chamber with the Western Heavens. The three doors of eternity were connected to the rear end of the royal tomb and sealed in. We placed beside it a vessel, the holy offering, should he awaken from the tomb. Separated from home is the Royal body and all others. Here is inscribed the extraordinary story of the death and burial of 'Lord Djes-eb' one of the sons of the Pharaoh Ra Djedef.
did they include the rarely seen heiroglyph for drop-bears??
what a lough. No, there is no glyph for a drop-bear which is, as you know, restricted to Australian Pub dwellers, however there are two glyphs of Australian Ticks hidden among the new found glyphs, one panel of glyphs found by Jake Cassar, the other found earlier by Dan Collins, who also discoveredthe Basalt Chisel close to it. So, you may laugh, but it is correct.
OR, show us your evidence ~ not simply your wishlist, "Dad"..
You can see pictures of the Kariong glyphs and other engravings around that area here... http://sydneyrockart.info/b...
A bad transliteration, Dad. The real transliteration is far more detailed. You find it on the internet. Just look for "Ancient Egiptians in Australia" or my "Such spake Nefer Djeseb"