"An untold number of Americans will be paying a steep price for the
president’s unfitness for office in the weeks and months to come."

We've been paying it for a while. It's just more obvious now. I wish I never voted for him.

I wish you had thought a bit into the future before you voted him. Did you really think things wouldn't turn out EXACTLY the way they have? Honestly, it's to rime tell the truth here.

It's the Democrats who should have thought a bit into the future. It was the identity and known character and policies of Trump's opponent that tipped my vote to Trump. And no, obviously I didn't think things would turn out "exactly" this way. I thought if I put up with his repulsive manner I'd get maybe a third of his main campaign promises and that the GOP establishment would get the hiding it deserves. Boy, was I wrong.

I take you believe Hillary Clinton was worse than Trump. Fair enough, but do you still think our country would be in the state it is now? In what way could she possibly be worse than what we have now with Trump?

Quite possibly even more evil. Almost certainly more competent, aided and abetted by an MSM ready willing and able to carry her water.

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of either Trump or HRC. I voted for neither, but I have the luxury of living in a very safe state.

Anyway, there's no need to pile on Englewood, whose predictions about the future, based on Trump's campaign promises were wrong, that's all. (S)he had the sense to realize that he'd been took, and changed course as a result.

In those circumstances, too many people just keep doubling down instead.

I'm hesitant to agree with the general thrust of a post that characterizes Clinton as "possibly even more evil," but there was definitely a very strong feeling around that we needed a big change. There was a real high after Obama's election which then slowly turned into a resigned disappointment. By the end of his lordship over us people got really sick of the status quo and wanted something even more new and different and unprecedented, but this impulse was stronger on the right than on the left, of course, since they were out of power, even though Bernie was obviously strong as hell. Still, Big Change Bernie lost to Hold'em Steady Clinton fair and square, he wasn't cheated, because despite the disappointments of the Obama era for the left, most of us still recognized that yes, the president was a fairly slick politician, talented but often inscrutable, although by all appearances he was at least a pretty legit and more than halfway decent human being... so Clinton got the benefit of his aura, weakened as it was. That's partly why she won the primary, carrying his legacy, which was strong enough to beat Bernie but not strong enough to beat Trump. As for her own character, remember, Clinton lost to Obama gracefully in 2008, and then he asked her to be his Sec State. I wouldn't call her evil unless Obama is also evil, or just too stupid to realize that she's evil. Neither is true. Trump isn't evil either, a lot of what he does is evil, but of course we all do some evil now and then, there are no saints.

I agree that credit goes to Englewood.

So Wasserman-Schultz resigned just for optics?

She was a hardass, but that still doesn't make Clinton evil.

I was referring to the rigging of the nomination.

As for evil, HRC was the principal US architect of the war on Libya. "We came we saw he died!"

At Nuremberg, men hanged for such crimes.

The vote wasn't rigged, people voted for their preferred candidates, just like this time around. Nuremberg was for hanging Nazis who perpetrated the Holocaust, and they didn't even hang all of them. If Clinton should be hanged then Obama also should be hanged but even higher, and the whole Bush administration should be drawn and quartered along with every leader who supported the Iraq war, certainly the prime ministers of Britain and Australia for starters, but we're not done yet with the hangings and the drawings and the quarterings, we're just getting started.

The Nuremberg Tribunal wasn't (fundamentally) about hanging Nazis or the Holocaust - in fact the Tribunal explicitly stated that the fundamental crime for which men were punished was that of "waging aggressive war".

Regardless what punishment you consider appropriate, HRC, like her boss is clearly guilty of waging aggressive war. Just because she is not the only one (you correctly name the Bush Administration and others) does not make her any less guilty.

And there is plenty of evidence, statistical and otherwise, that, yes, the 2016 Team D primary was rigged. Isn't the whole point of rigging an election to make sure that the beneficiary gets more votes than their opponent?

Albert Speer was just one of many Nazis who wasn't convicted for waging aggressive war, because he wasn't guilty of it. He was convicted under the other major categories at Nuremberg, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Nazi medical doctors weren't guilty of waging aggressive war, but many were convicted for crimes against humanity for their medical experiments. Nazis were convicted for using slave labor and for a slew of other crimes that don't fall under aggressive war, such as genocide, the primary example that set a new precedent. Enslaving people, gassing them, cremating them, raping civilians, terrorizing, looting, experimenting on people, this is what most of the convictions were about, so I'd say you're pretty spectacularly mistaken on the basic facts of Nuremberg.

You're not mistaken about having the opinion that certain criminals should be hanged, you have every right to believe that, but in the interest of justice the convictions should achieve some kind of consistency. So if you hang Clinton, hang Obama and all the rest as well, hang both Bushes and Reagan and JFK and pretty much all of them, I'd say.

Point me to the evidence of DNC vote rigging, because I'm not wedded to an opinion, I like having my mind changed by evidence, in fact I welcome all new information. I don't care about the DNC, I care about getting it right and trying to guard the relative health of our democracy, and if the Clinton gang rigged the vote I DEFINITELY want to know about it. At heart I'm much more like Sanders than Clinton, I know all about his history of genuine commitment to the people, it's definitely better than Clinton's record, I like him personally much more than Clinton who is very easy to dislike, I understand that Sanders would never say such insane things about killing people, BUT, first and foremost I prefer assessing what I see with candor and without favoritism. In the larger scheme of human frailty and various government-sanctioned crimes, Hillary Clinton is pretty average variety. And she's still basically a liberal next to most Republicans when it comes to war. I don't buy it for a second that she would have started a war against Iraq like Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and the rest of the gang, for example. She gloated over Libya but putting her alongside Nazis will soon have you hanging half the world, at least if you're driven by consistency instead of mere spite.

Not all of the Nuremberg defendants hanged for waging aggressive war, but the crime of waging aggressive war was described there as follows: "
To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Libya alone was certainly enough cause for HRC, her boss, and yes, Iraq was cause enough for Bush, Cheney, Blair etc. to swing.

For if you read what I wrote, I am nothing if not in favor of consistency in the way war criminals should be treated, whether Team R or Team D. whether they are "ours" or "someone else's".

As far as the 2016 Team D nominating process goes:

http://www.p2016.org/chrnot...

It's gonna take me a little while to read this but I'll get back to you, thanks for the link.

https://thehill.com/opinion...

Republicans investigated HRC for thirty years and never found anything. Isn't it just possible that all those investigations were part of a larger political hit job? Trump was a known, bad, quantity before he ever declared his run. You didn't do your homework.

Read what I wrote regarding the War on Libya, for one. The fact that HRC is a sort of evil entirely conventional for our political class doesn't mean she is not evil.

No, I didn't vote for Trump.

Most military analysts were very concerned that Clinton would have launched WWIII with Russia even before being sworn in. Trump is no doubt a disaster and I did not vote for either of them but Clinton was far more obvious with her raving incompetence on foreign policies...

"Most military analysts were very concerned that Clinton would have launched WWIII with Russia even before being sworn in."

Bull.

It's better for Trumpism to have burst like a zit onto the mirror, no matter how disgusting, because it was all there anyway under Bush and Cheney, it was there alongside "Barack the magic... birth certificate!" You can fairly easily wash off the stain of Bush and Rumsfeld, you can sort of start to forget their sublime horror, the exact same level of lies and utter mismanagement, but you can't wash off a man like Trump, ever. His portrait will be in the White House so future Americans can see what we're capable of, and hopefully be more vigilant about the subtle and polished lies and civilized outrages. We needed this barbaric display to get some clarity.

"The president has been about the situation because he evidently cares more about the
short-term political implications than he does about protecting the public"

It's no different from the first two years of his presidency. He already betrayed those of us who voted for the America First promises on immigration and ending the wars. He spent most of his doing favors for Wall Street, Israel, and Saudi Arabia instead. Now he's going to betray the many vulnerable elders who voted for him, risking their illness and even death by his selfish evasions and lies. He's a con artist. A fake.

It is already well known that airliners are just another petri dsih for bacteria and viruses. Older people should be well aware of this without any additional warnings from a government agency.

However, I agree with the author that the Trump administration's response to CV-19 has been abhorrent...

Imagine if the Obama admin did this, it would be the headline for weeks.

But since the Trump admin is such a dumpster fire, it's a minor foot note that is soon lost in the din.

You wait. His fanatic "base" will start saying things like "well, sure, he's risking the health and maybe the lives of our elderly parents, friends, and relatives, but don't forget SCOTUS."

That's his religious base. His "fanatic" base would never acknowledge that he had ever risked the health and lives of their loved ones. Well, not until some years from now.

"His fanatic base" is going to have more than the coronavirus effects to consider this time tomorrow. Trump and his good friends the Saudis are about to tank world stock markets.

Happily, the damage from all of this is surely mitigated by the fact that the thinking people among us have never taken this man seriously, and there are likely extremely few people left on the planet who do.

Sorry, there's nothing he could do that would lose his base. Their belief in him is the real trump derangement syndrome.

Except kill a lot of them off?

The population most at risk for this supports him far more than the general public does.

Of course, if a large number of senior citizens do die, I suspect Trump will a) try to blame the Democrats, and b) suggest that they get to cast posthumous ballots in Novermber.

It's a matter of him losing (say) 10% of his base to voting the other way or staying home, and shifting the swing vote.

Over the last few days, you've been proven right.

Trump can't tell the truth about anything... neither will he ever admit a fault, ever... It's really high time that every time he opens his mouth, everyone shouts back at him, "Really?" or more often maybe, "You lie!" and then try to move on and do what has to be done without him or his input. Maybe it's time more people in gov or state gov, anybody who's not under his thumb in some way, just defy him to his face and do the opposite of what he says... yeah I know... lots of unintended consequences could arise. anarchy, break-down of the rule of law... I dislike all those options, yet somehow there needs to be some unified resistance to this man...

Things move between overshoot and undershoot.

What president Trump & his team downplayed seriousness of the plague, they have lost credibility. If they don't admit their mistakes and tell Americans true and deal with the plague, they will lose all credibility. After that, people tend to believe most extreme "advises" from self claimed "medical experts".

Denial won't work, especially a few days later, hospital emergency room are packed with people of high fever. At that time, weakness of American medical system will be exposed and liberals will have many to say.

Having a mentally ill, incompetent, ignorant, self proclaimed "stable genius" with "great and unmatched wisdom" is getting really tiresome about now.

It is like a retail investor face stock market crash. Initially, he tells himself, tough out, it comes back. He even cites "free" analysts said on media - this "correction" tend to be short lived.

It takes courage to face problem but we do need a leader isn't hesitate to face problem. Yes, it is election year but demonstrate your competency, even though economy might tank for a while, is better than assume things will end up your way. Trump ran casinos before thus should know how his customers lost money there.

It is not too late yet. If we don't face it seriously but keep worrying stock market, one day, we will see hospital emergency rooms overflow and paralyze the healthcare system. At that time, not only stock market will crash, the plague will spread, but also not just cost your re-election but also Republican's long time philosophy - free market is the best solution.

We want a government not to meddle in everything but while an epidemic comes, it can function to properly address the problem.

Show your competency in handling the plague.

"It is like a retail investor face stock market crash."

In other words, like millions of Americans this morning.

What is really perplexing is that the coronavirus gives him a perfect out for a market drop. Just blame all bad economic data on the virus. Trump never takes the blame for anything but, by downplaying this crisis, he will have nowhere to hide. He isn’t even a very good conman!

Trump's Waterloo? Yet he keeps yapping and tweeting as if a biological thing with a mind of its own will respect his ego...

The worst aspect of this sits deep in the mind. This article is a classic case of the Mind Virus running wild.