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saxony • 6 years ago

I wonder if this would have happened if he was the child of "refugees"?

Sean • 6 years ago

Nope. Pope would have freaked out. Gone ballistic.

slyphnoyde • 6 years ago

In these discussions concerning Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard, there is one matter that nags at me. What about the case somewhat the contrary? What if it is parents who decline or refuse medical treatment for their children? What about Jehovah's Witness parents who do not want their child to have a life saving blood transfusion? I recall a case some years ago in Oregon in which a child was born with a medical condition which was treatable by a surgical procedure that was medically well known and had been performed many times on many children born with that condition. Nevertheless, the parents refused treatment on religious grounds and insisted on resort exclusively to prayer. Were they justified on the grounds of freedom of religion and parental rights to refuse medical treatment for their child? The matter went to court, although I no longer recall how it turned out.

Alfie's parents had their decision taken out of their hands against their wishes. The Oregon couple may have had their decision taken out of their hands against their wishes. If the Evans should have been able to get further medical treatment for their child, should the Oregon couple have had the right to refuse medical treatment for their child? I don't have an answer.

Winefred • 6 years ago

When intervening, especially in the case of a defenseless child, the natural default position (best interests) should be in favour of life and maximum achievable health. If that is the operating ethic, the decisions are less problematic.

slyphnoyde • 6 years ago

Yes, but who decides what are the best interests? If there is the complaint in the Evans and Gard cases that the state should not have overridden the wishes of the parents, should the state not have overridden the wishes of the parents in the Oregon case? After all, the parents believed that in fact they were acting in the best interests of their child, believing that prayer was more appropriate than medical intervention. They believed that their course would lead to maximum achievable health. Medical doctors and the courts believed otherwise. Who decides? Why one case and not the other?

doceo • 6 years ago

Fr. Thomas O’Donnell in his standard work “Medicine and Christian Morality” (1991, pp. 65f) writes that in the case of an ordinary medical procedure that would save the child’s life, i.e., a blood transfusion, the courts may declare the child a ward of the state and allow the treatment against the parents’ beliefs - just like it would in general provide life’s necessities for a child whose parents were unable or unwilling to do so.

James • 6 years ago

Yes, the Semitic Fertility Cult (Carthage was Canaanite in origin and therefore linguistically and culturally Semitic) has been reborn in our age, a late stage of rebellion against Christ and the Mother of God and the Church of Christ. Abortion is our form of child sacrifice, and euthanasia is our form of adult sacrifice. And we certainly now have fetishized homosexuality and a large number of homosexual priests/ministers preying on boys and adolescents. Also, we worship material goods, which is the reason we use the name of a Semitic Fertility Cult god (Mammon) to condemn materialism.

Since the Reformation, since the beginning of the Modern world, we have been demanding to regress into paganism, calling it freedom, liberty, choice. Vatican II opened the doors and windows of the Catholic Church to that degenerative process that can end only in hell on earth.

Chris Fortin • 6 years ago

Another example of Moloch inspired Omnipotent British Government. But do not all Western Governments behave in the same likewise manner when it comes to prolonged life support for hospitalized individuals? I witnessed this this attempt with my father involved in a tragic accident requiring life support and a friend of mine who's father was very ill. Hospitals do pressure families to remove life support on loved ones. Its so terribly sad this happened to precious little child.

Sean Taylor • 6 years ago

We are worse than the Carthaginians & other Biblical abominators. At least they thought they were ding the right thing for the deities they knew about. We do such things for low "practical" and selfish reasons, and still consider ourselves "enlightened" and "good".

In the 20th century alone, there were over 1 BILLION victims of euthanasia and abortion.

Lord, have mercy upon us.

Dick Prudlo • 6 years ago

Vengeance will be meted by our Glorious Lord who sees everything and his justice will be real.