Wasn't it the pope's brother in revolt (Martin Luther) who said, Satan rules the world and there's nothing we can do about it?. How does Phrancis square that?

I for one am highly loathe to regard Ross Douthat -- as cited within the above -- as any sort of authority on such matters.

He meant that we should dismiss the CONTENT of the Pope's assertion, not that we should say "fiddle-dee-dee" about the appalling fact that the Pope said it.

"know" "no" and "no Hell" There are enough double negatives and homophones to confuse an expert grammarian. Truth is always simple.

"All the more reason for Catholics at the local level to up their ante and be more radiantly, positively, joyfully Catholic." I'm sorry but this is so insincere. How can we be joyful when the papacy is preaching heresy?

It is so saddening, pitifully saddening, to see our Pope thus so verbally engaged in spreading errors. How long, Oh Lord, how long? Stop and think, friends, what Vatican II wrought and brought about, i.e., the misinterpretation of the 16 documents, and therefore the applications of iconoclastic procedures, surely positing the path onto self-destruction, after the devil entered that open window. Orthodoxy in holding on to the scripture, and the explanations given by the fathers of the church re those scriptures is our only recourse. Vatican II needs to be revisited and clarified for all time. McCarrick needs to be laicized, and others of somewhat related ilk, like Cdnl Wuerl, should be sidelined, at least, so our Church can get on with its mission.

We should definitely pray for Fr. Longnecker. Yes, definitely. Follow and support him? No. His messages are always convoluted and confusing.

Because in the end he'll lose.

Truly, this pope does not share the sentiments for the true church, but only the church he is helping to erect. In the meantime he goes along with the program while everyone is looking, but behind closed doors he speaks as a different man. Still, I have to pray for this man. This is what we were told at Fatima, to pray for the pope, but it doesn't mean that we cannot disagree or resist error.

Praying for someone in error means praying that the error will be recognized and repented. For example, I pray for kith and kin to move ever closer to historic Apostolic Christianity, ultimately to become Latin Mass Catholics.

We all should pray that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis sees his many errors and corrects his ways and words, publicly.

It should be very apparent that we MUST pray for Pope Francis. Satan is attacking Christ's Church above all other things in the universe. The head of The Church, the sovereign pontiff, must be right in the Enemy's cross hairs. Satan knows PF's weak points and will attack him relentlessly.
That is why we must pray. Pray the the pope gets a truly clear head and is able to lead not only The Church but also the whole world according to the will of God.

Whether Frances is pope or not, or Benedict is, is way above my pay grade. What I do know is that I used to be grounded in the knowledge, as the good nuns taught me, that if I wanted to know the truth, follow the Pope. Well what do I do now? I feel like a ship at sea without a rudder.

Dear sinner, you most certainly do have a "rudder" when the church hierarchy is in ruins; it is our handy dandy Catholic Catechism that never fails to educate us on what EXACTLY is our doctrine. Of course you have to READ in order to find out what it is and not rely on internet clap trap...lol...I would stick to both the Catechism of the Council of Trent, 1985 TAN publishers, and The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism of 1962. Also keep in mind the words of our dutiful and faithful, Cardinal Burke who said recently at the "Amoris" summit in Rome: "“As a matter of duty, the pope can be disobeyed,” Burke said. “There’s an abundant body of literature on the theme." “The pope’s authority is not magical,” Burke said. “It derives from his obedience to the Lord,” once again drawing strong applause from the crowd gathered in a hotel ballroom. https://cruxnow.com/vatican...

I agree. Unfortunately, going to a state school in the UK didn't help my religious formation, I'm trying to figure out what is right and what is going on by reading the Remnant, LifeSite News and 1P5 etc. Sadly, I don't trust the Holy Father who should be guarding the Church. From only knowing post V2 Church, I'm getting more traditional by the minute. Still hoping for a correction from the dubia Cardinals.
Otherwise I think we're in for a big chastisement.

I know. I have just read a piece in 1P5 regarding a conference that tool place in Rome a few days ago regarding where the Church is going, speakers included Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider. I felt hope again. And a little confused as to what, if anything, I should do now. Anyhoo, still hoping. And praying.

Know the Faith. Follow the previous Popes and Councils. Ignore the current Pope. You have absolutely no obligation even to be AWARE of what he says and does.

"Follow the Pope" does not mean to hang on his every word. This wasn't even possible for Catholics until recent decades.

You have a rudder. If the pope fails in his office, God does not leave his children without help. So, you have a rudder. I don't know about many others in today's world where Sister Lucia said many will be lost. Why are they lost? Because they do not search for the truth, or they only search so much to appease a curiosity.

"When you have conservative Modernism (Ratz) and liberal Modernism (Bergoglio), what is your end result?" Your "end result" will ONLY interest those who are earnest in reading their pre-1963 Catechism...THAT is the only "result." Things are what they are. When people actually make it their business to read books with actual substance, Satan loses.

Have Mark Shea and Dave Armstrong attacked Father Longenecker yet?

It may be coming. Armstrong already labeled First Things and Crisis Magazine as "reactionary" (O, the irony) and has essentially lumped them in with the The Remnant. He also had a spat with neo-con King Karl Keating. Pope Armstrong may be coming for Longenecker soon.

Fr John Hardon SJ said that the Revolution in the Church will begin in Detroit. At this time it is erupting in Saginaw Michigan. So bad that the Bishop';s Ball was just cancelled there. And the local detectives have now soooooooooo much tied together.......appears we are weeks from this Revolution.

I would never quote Fr. John Hardon. Bing for "john hardon donald mcguire."

Dear Fr. Longenecker,

Welcome to 50 years ago.

Sincerely,
Suffering Catholics

That Fr. Longnecker waited this long makes his column that much more powerful. Perhaps there is a reason God opens peoples' eyes at different times.

Fr. Longnecker says, "Furthermore, while knowledgeable Catholics can dismiss headlines like, “Pope Says No Hell"", I really don't think we can dismiss such a headline, after all it is getting press around the globe. If we dismiss it, we make light of it, and that's something we shouldn't do.

You can only dismiss such a headline if you assume Pope Francis would never say such a thing. That's a big assumption.

Those who truly desire Truth will know when the Truth isn't being spoken.

Mr. Matt,
According to Canon law #1364.1 a catholic who commits heresy is excommunicated.
So, my question is: ... Is Pope Francis Catholic? If so he is no longer the pope. Am I correct in my interpretation???

Calling Pope Francis a heretic is above my religious authority as laity, but I think the question can (and does) need to be asked - and it sounds like it is.

As for Francis not being Pope, I don't know if I want to open the bag of cats that is sedevacantism...

The only bag to open is the bag of truth. Look for it. Drop the labels.

Well, we'll find out. Certainly this thing with hell is not enough to establish pertinacity. We don't know for sure exactly what he said, and there are other times when he acknowledges the existence of hell. So he needs to be corrected and then correct his error. Pope John XXII embraced heresy but didn't lose his office and was not excommunicated. We're not interested in rushing to judge the pope. God and a future pope will do that. It's our job to protest his errors and to call on rightful authority to formally correct him. Thanks for your comment.

Unless and until the process is interrupted and their game plan halted, all future Popes will be of the same kind. I mean they're not going to be tolerant enough to allow "heresy" to their point of view to be taught, are they? The mystery is why the Church allowed itself to be chipped to pieces in the first place. And the challenge is what to do about it. Do nothing and the process will continue until nothing is left and they fill the void with their own iniquities. Waiting on the Lord and the rosary are all very good, but He generally likes us to do things too....

And what exactly are you doing about it? We're out here undermining Pope Franchise every day, without declaring him an antipope. LifeSiteNews is blasting away in the same way, as is EWTN -- reaching millions. Pat Buchanan, multiple powerful journalists in Italy, many bishops now. Francis is crippled. His pontificate is a mess. And this is precisely because his most fierce critics are not disqualifying themselves by setting themselves up as his judge and jury. Screaming "anti-pope" and "false prophet" is easy, and it's also exactly what the Vatican wants us to do. No thanks, friend. We intend to win the war on Francis, not lose it.

Heresy is one thing. Apostasy is quite another. Heresy excommunicates you. However, apostasy places you completely outside of the Church. The Church Fathers all taught that if one embraces apostasy, that person is NO LONGER CATHOLIC. This is a whole new level- way beyond what Bergoglio has said and written up to this point. Perhaps the College of Cardinals can look past a heresy or two by a pope, but not one who goes into a state of apostasy.

There's a clear procedure for any Catholic being excommunicated for heresy. You have to be formally presented with the clear reasons why you're a heretic and given an opportunity to get your act together, humbly renounce your heretical views and do penance. Putting a Pope through all that procedure (and all the resultant P.R. drama) is, no doubt, something very few of the hierarchy want to do. Whether they have an obligation to do it is another story.

Again, We're not interested in rushing to judge the pope. God and a future pope will do that. It's our job to protest his errors and to call on rightful authority to formally correct him. Thanks https://remnantnewspaper.co...

With all due respect, Bergoglio already judged himself. It does not take a rocket scientist to know what that means.

Any moron can shout antipope and false prophet, and rend his garments on the Internet. It takes a strategist to understand the most effective way to oppose what is happening without becoming predictable and without taking oneself off the battlefield altogether. Please remember nothing would make the Vatican more pleased than if all traditional Catholics were to become ‘courageous’ sedevacantists and remove themselves completely as effective opposition to Bergoglio.

The institutional church has been methodically and deliberately destroyed for almost 60 years starting with V2. Everything has been monkeyed with. the mass, the liturgy, the sacraments, consecration of bishops, ordination of priests, dogma. There is no rush to judgement in 60 years and anyone and everyone should be shouting. Maybe this accounts for all the evil in the world. It used to be (pre-v2) that every minute of every day and every night somewhere in the world, the holy sacrifice of the mass was being celebrated, raining down graces and blessings on our world. Now the mass is nothing but a protestant 'service'. Catholics no longer even use the term 'Mass'. The concept of the sacrifice of the mass has been jettisoned, the liturgies that were around for 1900 years were junked, beautiful prayers and psalms were deleted, heresy was introduced into the Mass. transubstantiation is no longer taught or believed in by the majority of catholics and likely no longer occurs. Powerful prayers of protection were removed from the sacrament of baptism. Confession is junked. Priests, instead of being confessors, now refer you to Jewish psychotherapy which teaches you must be totally sexually liberated to be happy. Many religious orders were sexualized with these ideas. Seminary training is severely deficient and priests are no longer trained to be exorcists ( and we don't need that any more do we?) nor are they being properly trained in the languages of the original scriptures. You might think the FSSP priests with the TLM are the antidote but they are required to perform the heretical NO Mass and the heresies have crept into the TLM as well. I appreciate that FSSP is trying to keep alive the ancient liturgies but the TLM will be forbidden in a few years. Archbishop Lefebvre had expressed his concern that the our episcopal consecrations may no longer be valid due the change in wording. Think about what that means and how diabolical that is. And again, wouldn't that explain all the evil in the world? If the bishops are not validly consecrated, they cannot validly ordain priests. If they are consecrated but they use the new words of ordination, the priests are still not validly consecrated. the change in words of ordination dates back to 1968 so it may be impossible to find validly ordained priests in the institutional church. So then we have no transubstantiation during the mass, no confessions, baptism that doesn't protect the child, last rites that are watered down. There was an attempt at one time by FSSP priests to be re-ordained by validly consecrated bishops (sspx, sspv). But JP2 put a stop to it. How do we stay in a state of grace?
And if you think you can go to the SSPX, think again. Fellay has been collaborating with Rome since the late 1990's. ALL SSPX ordinations have to be approved by Rome. You may also have noticed little to no condemnation of francis and his complicity in protecting homo sex rapists by Fellay, Davide Pagliarani, or the head of the American SSPX. SPPX is huge, has world wide properties lusted after by the homesex perverts of the institutional church so of course this big plum was infiltrated. LGBTQ theology is now being pushed into catholic schools by SSPX. So far one school in britain and some schools in Canada. Still they have validly consecrated bishops and ordinations, a valid holy sacrifice of the mass and transubstantiation.OK, so you are staying with the institutional church. What is your plan besides whining about the apostate in the papacy? If you have a plan, you should stop beating up on the sedes. Their position is not dogma. They are simply trying to be faithful catholics. We all need to band together. Maybe we need a well controlled mob to descend on the vatican. Imagine 10's of thousands of people descending on the vatican and every cathedral and basilica in the the entire world to pray the rosary for several days or on the first fridays and first saturdays of every month. The coast to coast rosaries are great and we need to continue expanding them. We need to be relentless. Just like the demonrats. We should carry signs too. Things are so bad, the only thing that will help is divine intervention. But maybe this is the time for the prophecies to come true and we will have to give up the institutional church and its properties and survive as a remnant. Should we give thought then to how we will elect a Pope for the remnant?How we will remain in touch?

exactly Remnant Moderator! That was OUR error back in 1967-69! We should NEVER have left our Mother church. NEVER. I was one of them. But i am back and there will be many more like me once they find out what this is all about! Almost 200,000 priests, 75,000 nuns and millions of laity left the church in disgust back then. We couldn't see the ploy, the game, the wager the enemy of the church used to smoke us out. We ran away because we could not bear the discomfort of seeing the mockery being made in our faces. We ran away like a bunch of ninnies and cowards. We did NOT bear our crosses when the church needed us more than ever. The Trojan Horse was let right into the front door (see Bella Dodds congressional record on the CPUSA who recruited 1200 men to enter seminaries in U.S.A. during 1930's, 40's, 50's. It was a grand plan. All inside job. No bars. Satan got his way alright...but for how long? it was very very organized and well planned out. We made a terrible mistake back then leaving the church and just blaming others. That's not going to help at all.. Let us not make the same mistake again!!!! We all need to RETURN to the church in droves, not run away!!!!

Well, apparently, way too many cardinals need lessons from those of us uneducated pew sitters on how to do their job. And, for the record, I would appreciate you not inferring that I am a moron. I have well over two thousand comments on the website with nearly triple the number of up-votes. I would appreciate a little charity.

Al,

RM was speaking generally, not about you personally. You're a lot of things but not a moron. So hang in there and Keep the Faith!

Margaret

The Church is not a democracy, and neither is "saving" the Church up to us. God will save His Church in His own time. All we can do is hold fast to Tradition, resist the errors and pray. Nobody died and made us judge and jury of the pope. The Church is very clear on this: Only God and a future pope can judge the pope. If Francis becomes a manifest heretic then he will be a manifest heretic, i.e., all will see---and our job remains the same: hold fast to Tradition, resist the errors and pray.

He has already revealed himself as a manifest heretic and you (and many others) are unwilling to believe it. This is normalcy bias. And they love, love, love it. Thus the Anti-Christ Agenda moves forward like a Tank crushing all things in its path.

I NEVER said anyone died and made us lay folks the judge and jury. I only made the observation that Bergolgio judged himself. As all the rest, I agree with you.

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