Where indeed. Conservatism is liberalism in slow motion.

For a relative newcomer to the Catholic faith, you have a very clear-eyed understanding of the situation. Keep reading and learning.

One must never - ever - give money to the mainstream church. Ever. In any form.

I am mostly stuck with the Novus Ordo. For 26 years (I am in my late forties) I have never placed a single cent or euro in the basket at Sunday Mass. Ever. I have never contributed to peter's pence. I have never - ever - given Easter or Christmas dues. Ever.

Until a pope submits to Our Lady of Fatima (in actual deed - not pretending to love Her like John Paul II but refusing to fulfill Her simple requests) I will never give a cent.

The so-called 'precepts of the church are non-infallible.

No point complaining if you do not break he habit of contributing.
Go to Mass but let the basket pass you by. Clergy: repent or starve.

Not to instigate but...if the Novus Ordo is that abhorrent to you...why go? That time is better spent praying the Rosary, which will never confuse you or enrage you. You're not stuck with the Novus Ordo. You can determine once and for all that it is not worth your time.

You of course are right. Thanks. Where I am it is harder than you think to get the TLM.

By the way, money going to the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and others still go to the overall establishment.

That is exactly correct.

My thoughts just traveled back to when St. Peter was fleeing Rome while the Christians were being devoured, and he was abruptly halted to return to Rome. Quo Vadis! It is a RUDE AWAKENING that every faithful of goodwill is now bound to pick up arms and fight.

All this was foreseen and prophesied; therefore, we should neither be weary nor discouraged. Au contraire, it is just when things seem hopeless that our Lord and Mother will perform the most beautiful MIRACLE......that of RESTORATION!!!

Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat!

While we're fighting in our parish and diocesan corners of the world, we also have to fight with our greatest supernatural weapon: Our Lady. Pray for the Consecration of Russia!

I concur with the call to fight, particularly this:
We will fight in our parishes, we will fight in our dioceses, we will fight every lupine shepherd in sheep's clothing, we will fight online, we will fight with our wallets, we must fight and never stop fighting. We don't fight in hopes of a truce or for some less-unholy middle ground. We fight for all of it. And we can never stop fighting until that day God calls us home or He decides in His infinite wisdom that His body has suffered enough and provides for that break in the front that will send the enemy scurrying.
I too have already begun the fight. No more sitting and complaining while things continue getting worse.

Love it! Churchill lives!

An opportunistic turncoat.
Must the Germans always be associated with evil?
They were the Holy Roman Empire.

They gave us Martin Luther; they started the Franco-Prussian war, WW I, WW II, and are the dominant force in the godless, neo-fascist European Union.

Easy, man. Uta may not be in the US.

I am in Ireland - so we don't like Churchill - a 60-yr freemason.

I like reading the exchanges he had with deValera. Winnie watch outclassed

The SSPX has held the Catholic faith ... it is the answer. The best way to fight is with prayer, the Sacraments, and the Rosary. These are the tools God gave us. Beyond that, God is in control.

To the moderator: Can ou tell me why my post was rejected? Just so I know what the parameters are? Thank you

Not rejected, just pending. Thanks for your patience.

Actually, so have I the opinion, it is no longer modernism that is dogging the Church, but postmodernism. The Pope's doctrine of "discernment", his rejection of the supposed abstraction-ism of the "layers of the law", his clear avoidance of the supreme Holiness of Jesus (= transcendence), indeed, his outright ecologicalism, all and more remind me more postmodern epistemology than of the modernists coming out of the 19th Century. Perhaps is would be more accurate to say that the Church suffers from modernism highly overplayed with postmodernism.

I don't believe it's a question of modernism, post-modernism, or neo-modernism. Rather, it's Transhumanism:

https://www.crisismagazine....

http://news.ugcc.ua/en/arti...

Those currently running the formal apparatus of the Church are fashioning a church-of-Transhumanism (which now increasingly embraces the abomination of LGBTrans) and are throwing their collective hat in with the one-world-government-Transhumanism of the George Soros variety. The extent to which they succeed in this diabolical enterprise will correspond to the emergence of Antichrist.

May God preserve us in this time of Transhuman tribulation, such as the Church and the world have never seen before. May God shine the light of His truth and holy love into the minds and hearts of those who willingly smear the wedding garment of the Bride with ghastly and anti-human fetishes. We must pray for ourselves and for all those responsible for this nightmarish scenario, as only the Lord can save us and deliver us all from the evil one.

Holy Family, pray for us!

St. Peter Damian, pray for us!

Correct, we are in the midst of neo-modernism. But it all amounts to the same thing, same results, same goals.

Amen. Excellent.

"...recall another fact one dare not forget. We belong to the Church militant; and she is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass her destruction. Not only the far-off centuries of the early Church, but down through the ages and in this our day, the enemies of God and Christian civilization make bold to attack the Creator's supreme dominion and sacrosanct human rights." Pope Pius XII

quote "...make bold to attack the Creator's supreme dominion..."
The day the Church stopped honoring Christ as a true and real King, "on Earth as it is in Heaven," was the day that we lost the battle.
They have uncrowned Him, and until we again acknowledge Him through a public act of homage nothing will be gained.

Thank you for this excellent reminder from a good pope.

Always be mindful of fatigue. Fighting in this war can tire you and cause spiritual harm. It’s always good to take a break, a retreat, refresh… don’t let your heart be bitter, Our Lady will help us.

Thanks Pat for a very Churchillian call to arms. Yes fight but how, when, with what, etc. What you are suggesting, it seems to me, is that we are not far off the day when we will have to become an underground Catholic Church like the two-church situation in China. What this would look like is that some of us would have a priest living with us who would say Mass in basements and living rooms, etc. for Traditional Catholics. Or we could become sedevancantists.

The ultimate worse case scenario is that Traditional Catholicism would be prohibited by the One World Government in league with the One World Deistic Church (including the former Catholic Church, Islam, etc) and Traditional Catholics would become as they were in the time of Nero.

SSPX has shown the way.

Well, just what is the Remnant's policy? Yesterday it was laissez faire contentment that we have the Faith (and we're not that fussed if others can't get it) or do we fight, fight, fight to keep what's ours and so pass it on?

I'm sorry, but did you read the article? There are many fronts where a Catholic can engage in the fight. As the author wrote, regarding why it is necessary to actively confront now, "But
with the current papacy things have changed, somewhat. Yes, more people
are waking up to the fact that there is no land left between us and the
tiger and it has us in its jaws. Feeling the clench and the pain,
there are those that are finally waking up to the reality of the threat
posed. There can be no doubt that this is a necessary and crucial step
to mounting any serious resistance." If you agree, then you can find the place and/or way you choose to engage the enemies of God's Holy Church.

Yes, Marianne, how do you explain all this to children, that the leaders they should look up to in the church, cannot always be trusted? It makes children suspicious or cynical, and the damage to their faith can be difficult to undo. I am a single parent, and took early retirement to home school my youngest, who has some learning disabilities. I actually took her to a sympathetic Byzantine Rite priest for her combination baptism, confirmation, First Eucharist as a babe, and brought her to that Eastern Rite parish for years. It was located way in another county, a risky drive in the northern winters, and in between we attended a fairly decent Novus Ordo parish. A few months ago I sold my house & relocated to another state to join a thriving FSSP parish. Best move I ever made for my child. Almost every family in that growing parish home schools, and my daughter is exposed to reverence & orthodoxy.

Excellent Mr. Archbold!!

FATIMA
SINGS

We battle for Mass
Daily it’s said.
We battle for schools
Where God is not dead.

We battle for books
Published and read
We battle for peace
Retreats are priest led.

We battle to shield
Motherhood’s plight
To let her nurse child
At home day and night.

We battle for men
Who quietly fight
Support them in prayer
To lead us to right.

We battle for truth
Professed in the Creed
Say “NO” to the wolves
Who twist it indeed.

We battle for grace
We drink it like mead
It quenches our thirst
Refreshed so to heed…

All that is said
By wolves wearing rings
Corrupting the facts
With traditional slings.

But triumph is coming
Heart Immaculate brings
‘Cause the war ain’t over…
Till FATIMA sings!!

I have been saying this for a long time, fight in your local Parish, interesting that Remnant now publishes articles agreeing with this statement. We have given far too much ground to the enemy in the church, the false Bishops, false priests and false Catechists... time to fight. We have set up on Facebook katolischeselternforumschweiz exactly for this reason. I am presently fighting for the return of the Latin Mass in my parish...who is the main opponent? You guessed it the parish priest.

A parish priest from Europe told me when asked if he could say the Latin Mass: "I don't know how and I have to have permission ...." That is probably true for 98% of them.

Truth! Thank you for standing up.

While I can appreciate the reverence, ceremony and august atmosphere of the TLM, what I cannot fathom is why its supporters are so obsessed by the use of Latin in the service. Today Christians in the 'Latin Rite' do not speak Latin or a form thereof in the home as their daily tongue. This has been the case at least since the time of Charlemagne. By all means have the traditional mass, but conduct it in the language of the people, not in some arcane and mysterious tongue.

Latin is essential to the preservation of the meaning of the liturgy. Latin is etched in stone and does not readily change. Vernacular languages especially English are extremely fluid and are in constant change. A generation ago the English word “gay” meant happy and lighthearted ; today it refers to the practices of sodomy. Orwell described the totalitarian state like modern US controls the meaning of words and reverses them so peace now means war(Americans always wage peace when they are bombing the hell out of another country), love means hate etc.. The Pennsylvania Dutch among whom I live still worship in the high German which their ancestors spoke when they arrived and they communicate with each other in a German dialect called Deitch which is quite different from the high German in which they address God. Almost all Jewish groups whether liberal or conservative worship in Hebrew. It is only Americans who want to worship in the language of their rock stars and sports stars. I grew up in the pre Vatican II Church where we prayed in Latin every Sunday, I really do believe that the blue collar congregation clearly understood the priest when he turned around and said “Dominus Vobiscum”.

Luther introduced the vernacular into the liturgy in the Protestant Rebellion. What was the response at the Council of Trent?

"Session XXII - Canon IX.—If anyone saith that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; OR THAT THE MASS OUGHT TO BE CELEBRATED IN THE VULGAR TONGUE ONLY; or that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema."

Latin is one element of unity and universality in the Church. Have you never heard of the various and terrible translations of catechisms and missals into the vernacular of some languages?

The Holy Ghost preserved Latin as the official language of the Church for a reason. But the knuckleheads though they could whip up a new rite in months that was better than the traditional Roman Latin rite which naturally developed over centuries. How is that working out?

My understanding of why we use Latin is that this language cannot be tampered with. Just like the TLM can't be perverted into a Church picnic like so many NO masses.

yes, and this is why all the major religions do not use a vernacular in their worship.

Over time words and phrases of living languages evolve and can change meanings and intent. This can and has caused havoc with many aspects of our culture, but most regrettably with the liturgy of our faith. Latin, being a dead language will never change. Personally and admittedly very subjective I believe the Latin is a much more beautiful and uplifting way to pray. And the way most of the great saints of the Church have prayed. I'm also pretty sure the mass that Charlemagne assisted at was in Latin.

I remember my priest once saying "Do you really want to pray to God in the same language you order a cheeseburger?"
People seem to have forgotten when they assist at a Catholic Mass, they are leaving man's world and entering God's. The Mass is not a form of entertainment, and its intent is not our convenience.
I have this conversation with NO Catholics all the time. "It's just boring, and repetitive, and I don't get anything out of it".
I just say "Then stop going". If they don't know why they're there...don't bother.

There are 23 rites in The Church, each with a different mass, except the Latin rite that has two.

And what is this obsession with Mass in the language of the people? I live in a small town right on the Canadian border. Many of the people speak French as well as English, and until a year or so ago the Mass in French was offered at least once every weekend. I can literally walk across the border and in a few minutes be at the Canadian diocesan Cathedral where they offer a Mass in English and one in French every Sunday morning. I know very little French, so which Mass do you think I would attend?

The reasons for the use of Latin can be found in several old Catechisms and other books readily available on Google books and the Internet Archive.

You might want to look up in "The Sources of Catholic Dogma" aka Denzinger's the condemnation of the Synod of Pistoia for some insight as well.

"[N]o ancient Christian liturgy is in the daily language of the people." I must respectfully disagree, although I suppose it might depend on what you mean by the "daily language."

In recent times I have attended Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom, one of the truly ancient Christian liturgies, at the Russian Orthodox cathedral in Washington, DC. Note that this liturgy is also celebrated by Byzantine Rite Catholics as well as Orthodox Christians. This truly ancient liturgy of the church is offered twice at the cathedral, in English and in Church Slavonic.

Please note that formally and ritualistically it is comparable to the Traditional Latin Mass, even when it is in English. Granted, the English is in a formal, sort of "King James English" style, which is not necessarily the way people speak every day, but it is fully understandable, and yet I would put the ritual aspect on a par with the TLM. I suppose that some Byzantine Rite Catholics also use a formal form of the local language, so ancient liturgies are not necessarily celebrated just in the ancient languages.

It has nothing to do with Latin being a commonly spoken tongue. St. Jerome translated the original scriptures from various languages into Latin to prevent the mistranslations that were happening at the time by inferior translators. Latin is a fixed (some call it 'dead') language, with never-changing definition to its phraseology. It is a form of protection from the innovations brought to other languages. For instance, imagine if the word 'gay' had been part of the liturgy when it was first formulated. At that point, the term would have meant 'happy' or 'joyous'. In Latin, that definition would never change, but if you change it to English, the evolution of that language now defines that as a homosexual.
Also, and this is what few people realized at the time, when the innovators did change the language to the vernacular, it was done so as an opportunity to deliberately mistranslate it. For instance, during the Consecration, the term was "For you and for many". This was deliberately mistranslated for years as "For you and for all".
Missals have the translation, so you can follow it in English for convenience sake, but for its own safety, the liturgy must remain in a fixed language like Latin, or Greek.

1. The priest isn't talking to you.

2. Latin doesn't change.

3. Latin being universal, promotes unity.

4. Latin enables us to read the fathers of the Church unfiltered.

5. Mystery is a good thing. Since God's almost entirely mystery, a liturgy lacking mystery is not an authentic encounter.