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Look at those beautiful young faces. They shame us all.
If you have something to reveal, let it go.
Why are you here? This is a progressive forum. You have no business here.
These "childish socialistic" young people did not create the world they live in. They've inherited the worst from previous generations, so why not speak out rather than listen to the empty promises of "vacuous adult neocons".
America produces and consumes 100 Quadrillion watts of electricity per year for 330 millionIndia produces 14 Quadrillion watts of electricity per year for 1 billion 350 million which grows at 13 million per year. India adds 1 Quadrillion watts per year by building Coal, Thermal, Nuclear and Hydro plants. It will take India 75 years just to catch up with America for a population 4 times larger.
Raise your hand if you want living standards equal to India.
Sweden also had an East India Company just like the British. Did not do that well but Sweden is not innocent of mercantile exploitation.
Who on earth said it was? The Dutch also had a very successful (exploitative) one. Nobody is innocent.
No company on the planet even today were as successful as the East India Companies. their commercial success led to the birth of the Colonial Empires.
That is true. But the Dutch exploitation of the East Indies (much of which is now Indonesia) was rather tremendous. Like Britain and the Raj, Indonesia dwarfs the tiny Netherlands.
The Swedish East India company went bankrupt. Compare that to the Dutch East India company. Valued by today's terms the Dutch East India company is worth 7 Trillion dollars. The British East India company, in its heyday, controlled half the world's trade and there were 5 East India Companies owned by 5 European Kingdoms/NationsThe wealth they made still defines the West even after the toll of the Great wars.
That Swedish girl made her statement on a day with a pleasant weather. She needs to travel to India and Bangladesh or live in a hut in that place and see what everyday life is like.
Greta (not "that Swedish girl", to quote your demeaning sexist and ageist language) is well aware of the havoc climate change is wracking on the poorest, including the relation between flooding and exploitative garment production in Bangladesh. Here is is contributing to the dire conditions in certain Central American countries that, like Haiti, are among the poorest in America.
How do you know she is "well aware" of the 3rd world? I would really like to know that.
Perhaps read up on her a bit more. I'm not your teacher and have no time to waste on it.
No Maria, Perhaps you need to pay attention to what I said. I am from the 3rd world and that Swedish girl is not. So you need to come down from your high horse and pay attention to 3rd world peopleas far as that girl's knowledge you made the claim so you prove it. looks like she does not have a clue.
I know lots of people from the 3rd world, who are progressive, mostly socialists, unlike you, and have travelled to parts of it to take part in seminars. For obvious reasons, I'm curtailing most air travel now. i DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU as I am absolutely uninterested in engaging right-wingers; it is a waste of time. This week, other than my paid and volunteer work, and campaigning for a left candidate in the federal elections, I'm attending the march and keeping up with kids far younger than I am. Kindly leave us alone and stop wasting our time.
Try telling a Bangladeshi kid that he will be in 110 degree heat, or else underwater, if we don't slow down global warming.Well add me to your illustrious list since I am from the third world and do not buy your clap trap.
America is not a country; it is a continent (though anglos sometimes say it is two, and an ithmus). These countries have a wide range of standards of living and energy use.
America is the only nation who uses that name. Other American countries don't. It is understood that "America" refers to the US.
In progressive circles, we avoid the term "America" to mean the US, as do many people in Latin American countries. By the way, where I live (Québec) is also Latin-speaking.
"Progressive" by whose definition? The word "American" is used across the planet. Maria please stop being a Politically correct pain
You come along here to needle us and accuse ME, among the founding members of rabble, of being a politically-correct pain? Look in the mirror. This is NOT YOUR PLACE.
No Maria, I made a comment and you have been tailing me. As for America what word would you use to call the people who live between Canada and Mexico? "United Staters?"I am proud to call myself a "Sri Lankan American".
Foreign interference in our election is now a fact with the treasonous release of the pics of Trudeau to American Time magazine. Where's our main stream media and the outrage. Not excusing the pic but the interference is beyond the pale.
MSM. Where do you think they are? Where they have always been, driving the Conservative message right through the homes of Canadians. ' Vote Conservative. We know what is good for us/you.. You do not'
Hey they bought that media fair and square!
Not nearly as treasonous as Harpers signing FIPPA.
Or the NDP's virtual silence.
You definitely have a point. Harper gave us the industrial sized RoboCall scam too and then the Phoenix sabotage. This new one is blatant though, don't have to look for the root because U.S.Time threw it out there. They don't care that we know they interfered. That's scary. And Canadian traitors helped them.
Foreign influence you mean like the Obama's team running Trudeau's election? Or when the movie stars, political groups, and activists came north to berate Canadians over oil? Maybe you mean like when MSM would interview Liberal friendly Americans, Europeans or Africans? Maybe the money from foreign governments that donate into the Clinton inspired Trudeau foundation then received favorable trade? I wish you could be more specific.
Thats right , let teachers spread their propaganda, filling young minds with a totally one sided look at climate change, scaring them to death, and then using them as useful idiots. Yes, very commendable !!!
Oooo bad teacher propaganda
Who even are you?
This is obviously a right-wing, climate denying coterie trying to get us off track. Please, friends, share experiences organising the climate strike in your regions, communities, workplaces. And support our evil teachers!
"No country would find 173 billion barrels of oil in the ground and just leave them there."...
I don't know which is more distressing... a pm that utters these blatant contradictions... or those that swallow them.
Gas fracking is almost as bad, yet the NDP/Green government in B.C. is promoting and subsidizing it.
Rick, are you attending the march where you live, or just sniping at everyone. We are well aware of the shortcomings of that government.
"The kids demanding climate action in New York, across Canada, and around the world have it right -- It is about their future."Not of the 6 billion living in the 3rd world with immense resources of Coal, Oil, Hydro power and even Thorium. This world is fighting to raise their standard of living after 500 years of Colonial exploitation and watching the First world live the highest standard of living partly due to that Colonial heritage.
Try telling a Bangladeshi kid in a hut under heat of over 100 degrees with no air conditioner, no fan and watching his parents toil the field in that blazing sun that he should give up a coal driven electricity for alternative energy which costs so much more.
Add to that India grows at 13 million per year & South Asia (total population: 1 billion 800 million) grows at 25 million per year. These governments are under heavy pressure to provide basic electricity at the cheapest cost.
Try telling a Bangladeshi kid that he will be in 110 degree heat, or else underwater, if we don't slow down global warming.
There are definitely protests in Bangladesh, which is not only a very poor country, but a very low-lying one. Thus at very great danger of dying in the climate emergency, more than, say, the Netherlands, which is just as low-lying but infinitely more wealthy. Even in the Guardian; you don't have to look at a specialised source.
Try telling a Bangladeshi kid that he will be in 110 degree heat, or else underwater, if we don't slow down global warming.Bangladesh is within the world's largest Delta and includes the world's largest Mangrove forest called the Sundabans 4 major rivers empty into that delta. Among them is the Ganges and the Brahmaputra. A good deal of Bangladesh gets flooded during the MonsoonsSee this is why Americans need to learn about the nations they want to change.
Perhaps USAmericans have to learn about that, but this is not a forum for that country.
You are a strange bird. now you are telling me what is good for the forum.
It is my forum, it sure as hell isn't yours. I am a founding member of rabble. You are lucky that we are so tolerant of right-wingers.
I had no idea this was your forum. That explains a lot. You understand that changes nothing as far as my right to free speech. So use your power to do whatever you see fit.
You have no right to free speech that contravenes the guidelines of this site and forum.
What you are offended by is the fact that advocates of global warming have lost due to America pulling out of the Paris Summit and the alienation of China due to Trump's economic war with itWhat really gets your goat is that Global warming advocates cannot do a darn thing without the full cooperation of the 3rd world. That is what is getting under your skin, not my comments which point them out. As for that Swedish girl how dare she lecture the 3rd world after Europe has vandalized exploited and left the 3rd world poor. that girl is fat and happy in Sweden with a lifestyle the rest of the world is trying to regain. That too gets under your craw.,
You're suggesting that the 3rd world can only make things better for themselves by exploiting oil, coal, hydro & thorium. Maybe check around and see how other countries are doing with that method. Companies move in, extract the resource, pollute, buy the government and exploit the local population. The worst examples are in South America, Africa and Asia.
Why would the environment be so oppressively hot in Bangladesh or India, requiring everyone to own an air conditioner just to survive? Could it be the unrestrained extraction and burning of oil & coal and its effect on the climate?
Don't get me wrong, I'm in your camp when it comes to accusing the 1st world of exploiting the 3rd world. It's been that way for a long, long time. It would be a big improvement for the people of the 3rd world to directly reap the benefit of their own resources but extracting more oil & coal, damming more rivers or digging up more radioactive rock is not the best direction forward.
You also need to know that both India, especially south India and Sri lanka are considered "Hydraulic civilizations' where these societies had a fairly advanced technology on the use of water including ancient dams and irrigation projects which rank among the best in the world. Damming Rivers goes back eons.
I meant modern dams and hydroelectric projects. They are on a much larger scale than in ancient times. Vast areas of land that were home to farms, animals & people are sacrificed because modern civilization demands exorbitant amounts of electrical power.
Countries like India were probably doing fine until colonization by more powerful empires decided that they needed to conquer then to extract and sell all of the resources they could find. But hey, abandon your peaceful & productive agrarian lifestyle, move to congested cities and work for peanuts for the new order.