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kiwiinamerica • 6 years ago

What's Francis' favorite word (apart from "rigid")??

Yes, that's right, it's dialogue! He's always blathering on about "dialogue"........dialogue with Muslims, dialogue with Protestants, dialogue with homosexual activists etc etc.

Yet when four Catholic cardinals ask for "dialogue", they can't get a reply. All of a sudden, the disciple of dialogue clams up and won't talk.

Can you say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?? Can you say m-o-n-s-t-r-o-u-s, h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-c-a-l b-l-o-w-h-a-r-d??

jdumon • 6 years ago

Hypocrisy has been risen up to the level of a true and complete Art.

Mark Anthony Beale • 6 years ago

Yes, he states in AL that we need dialogue, yet never provides it when it concerns his allowing of heretical teachings and practises. Just another day in the Bergoglian Papacy.

Dankin • 6 years ago

Stalin is nothing compared to this Pope who scares the truth.

c2 • 6 years ago

And Stalin killed bodies but not the souls...this 'pope' allows bodies free license & destroys souls

Pope Francis knows full well that the 4 cardinals are trying to stop the use of the strategy which allowed Vatican II to be hi-jacked. Write a document which is vague enough to be explained one way to the bishops who have to vote on it, and then another way to priests, seminarians, and laity which will give them the license they need to effectively change the doctrines which the authors of the document told the bishops they were supporting. It is a very old Jesuit ploy. The pope knows that if he answers, he MUST answer that he holds to the "permanent Magisterium" and ancient practice of the Church. That would be simple, if he wanted to say that. He doesn't. If Pope Francis grants the 4 Cardinals an audience, I will be looking out my window to watch the wing-ed pigs flying over my rectory!

Guest • 6 years ago
GoldRushApple • 6 years ago

Pacwa and Barber are just two. Nonetheless where there's modernity to be found and advocated for within the church a Jesuit is close by, or so the saying goes.

Guest • 6 years ago
GoldRushApple • 6 years ago

Give another two. And then another. And then another.

Ƅlter und weiser • 6 years ago

Drops in an ocean of error Joseph.

winslow • 6 years ago

On the nose, Father. YOur description of the Pope's scheme is exactly what he's doing. He is a liar, deceiver and a hypocrite.

standtall909 • 6 years ago

Indeed Msgr!!!!!! When pigs fly we will see the 'Pope' answer the Cardinals. He doesn't even have the courtesy of a reply to them nor seemingly the courage to give them an audience. And.............................................he won't.

c2 • 6 years ago

Depressing, but thank you for the clarity Father

Totus tuus • 6 years ago

Love this! Hey, with God all things are possible.... even flying pigs šŸ·!

LB236 • 6 years ago

I wonder if this letter being made public will cause Francis/Bergoglio to fly into yet another one of his infamous temper tantrums. Because it certainly does nothing to advance the narrative of Francis/Bergoglio as "the most humblest pope EVAH!"; rather, it makes him look like a petulant child who doesn't have the stones to meet with those who express disagreement with him.

The week's homily should be most interesting . . .

Guest4ever • 6 years ago

Dialogue anyone?

Ivan mi je ime • 6 years ago

We should go back to his 'homilies' after the 25 April. I bet, we can find his 'answers' on this letter too.
...Speaking about temper tantrum, this crossed my mind again: http://disq.us/p/1jkzqmy
"Wait! Stop! I thought it was Burke, but now I see - it's Caffara!"

Mark Docherty • 6 years ago

Oh I bet he is in full rage mode at this very moment.

MaryKJ • 6 years ago

The letter was dated April. It's hard to hold a tantrum for 2 months.

Guest • 6 years ago
Ivan mi je ime • 6 years ago

I think a grudge cannot survive if it's not fed by anger and hatred, which is tantrum, but the inner, hidden one.

Guest • 6 years ago
Ivan mi je ime • 6 years ago

Thank you my comrade Benedict! :-) ;-)
I am very grateful for quick answer as explanation.

MaryKJ • 6 years ago

True enough.

Dennis_Moore • 6 years ago

You're obviously not Irish

MaryKJ • 6 years ago

With a name like Mary Katherine Philomena? Just a little.....

Guest • 6 years ago
MaryKJ • 6 years ago

True. The pope does not like public criticism.

Netmilsmom • 6 years ago

Time to step up the prayers for the Dubia Cardinals.

Margaret • 6 years ago

And fasting.

Mark Anthony Beale • 6 years ago

I think at this point we moved from prayer to fasting to....flagellation!

c2 • 6 years ago

Maybe I should start up a hair-shirt store.

Cetera • 6 years ago

What is next? Unmasking, Schism, and War. The entire world slouches towards the same evil ends, each day. Terror attacks everywhere. Election deniers, assassination attempts, the loss of faith, the corruption of the innocent, and the slaying of the innocent. The good guys seem confused, scattered, disorganized. The bad guys are rabid, full of hateful energy.

The Second Coming has been imminent for 2000 years now. Each day, it becomes a little more imminent-er. Matthew 24 is not a fun read, when each verse seems applicable to so many events today.

William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Pablo • 6 years ago

"The good guys seem...disorganized."

I am certain this is one of the main problems.

Margaret • 6 years ago

Yeats' poem was cited here too:

http://remnantnewspaper.com...

Paolo • 6 years ago

Sandro Magister, who first blogged on the yet unanswered letter of the four cardinals, requesting audiencein Italy, among others, reports:
"In Turin, the Catholic priest Fredo Olivero has confirmed that
the interconfessional group ā€œBreaking breadā€ in which he participates
meets once a month to celebrate the Eucharist now according to the
Catholic ceremony and now the Protestant, all of those present receiving
communion. He has said that he is sure this is the true ā€œpersonal
thinkingā€ of Pope Francis, according to what he said on November 15,
2015 during his visit
to the Lutheran church of Rome. He added that the dogma of
transubstantiation must be reinterpreted in a ā€œspiritualā€ vein, and that
according to Jesus the Mass can be celebrated by anyone, not only an
ordained minister. Fr. Olivero made this disclosure in the latest issue
of ā€œRiforma,ā€ the weekly of the Waldensian Church.,"
UNBILIEVABLE!!! But Fatima's prophecy is being fulfilled and we should now be prepared for chastisement. My guess is that we are just at the beginning.

Parce nobis Domine!

Rocky Barber • 6 years ago

Every time I read something like this, an old saying from my youth comes to mind: "I want to vomit twice and die!"
The stuff coming out of Rome and this unholy "pontiff" are enough to make any faithful Catholic sick.

James • 6 years ago

There might be a silver lining here. The further these bold acts of heresy go the clearer it becomes with what we are dealing. Paolo's citation is heartbreaking, but it casts the raking light on the pastoral malfeasance of the pontificate and will in time allow this fraudulence to be brought to account both in Heaven and on earth.

Susan Lauren • 6 years ago

How many are going to read that website/ article? How much attention will it draw? And maybe more importantly, how many Catholics are so ill-informed about their faith that they think that "Breaking Bread" is long overdue and that it should have been this way many years ago?

Catholic and Protestant, there is no difference. All religions and all paths lead to God. There is no devil. All will be saved or alternatively, for those who aren't saved, their souls will be annihilated. No, I do not believe any of that (above); but it seems to be where we are headed.

James • 6 years ago

Its not about numbers.
And it is very much where we are headed, and that is why the action of the four Cardinals are so important. That they are pursuing this course of action is historically unprecedented. That he silently hides behind the faƧade of the papacy bespeaks the threat that fidelity to the perennial Magisterium holds for him and his sycophants.
Its about the Truth.

Susan Lauren • 6 years ago

Yes, Francis hides. Yes, all of this is unprecedented. Does the average Catholic care about truth? I think people want what they want: divorce, remarriage, gay marriage, the welcoming of homosexuals (don't dare speak repentance and conversion), open communion, etc. Does the average Catholic know the doctrines and beliefs of the Catholic Church (no, not the forked tongue innovations)? I believe Francis is 100% on board with what most of the Catholics in our culture want today. I truly hope you are right that the perennial Magisterium is a threat to him. I am not as optimistic.

James • 6 years ago

We have two generations of baptized but uncatechized, erroneously catechized, inadequately catechized. They don't care. Its all about "feeling good." He was catechized and well formed in the faith. He knows he is on thin ice and in the middle of nowhere. To answer the dubia would be to try to make it back to shore, but he can't move or the ice cracks and he goes down. If he doesn't move, he goes down.
Its not going to happen tomorrow, but he and his element are going to face a rude reality sooner rather than later, both on earth and in eternity. Given their faith comportment they are far more likely concerned about the former rather than the later.

c2 • 6 years ago

That explains the purple spots

John P Glackin • 2 years ago

The Chastisement is occurring know with lockdowns and masks mandates. But the Chastisement is not effecting the Clergy. Only the laity.

Guest • 6 years ago
Willard • 6 years ago

Your scenario has one gigantic problem. Pope Francis has precedent on his side. The Dubia Cardinals accept the legitimacy of the pontificate of St. JPII and he is the Pope who allowed public heretics and schismatics to receive communion in his 1983 Code of Canon Law. If one falls, the other has to fall for the law of non-contradiction to hold. And, in case you're wondering, officials in the Vatican are aware they hold this trump card.

Zippy • 6 years ago

The precedent goes deeper than that. Try 1830, not 1983.

https://zippycatholic.wordp...

c2 • 6 years ago

Oh crap.

Guest • 6 years ago