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Southern Patriot • 6 years ago

Jimmy Carter gave the freedom away for the Iranian people and gave them over to a Muslim dictatorship of Ayatollahs. Obama gave the Ayatollahs the ability to become the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world, including advising the fatboy "rocket man" of NK.

I am glad President Trump is revisiting the worse agreement for the U.S. in our history. Make America Safe...Again!

Diogenes • 6 years ago

The worse? I don't know. There's a lot of bad agreements made by Clinton and Obama. Chinese trade agreement, NorK agreement to build reactor, NAFTA, Paris Climate Agreement - there's a lot of competition there.

Nuff said • 6 years ago

President Trump has tapped into the American psyche. That is what is so disturbing and disruptive to the 'Swamp Rats', both Democrat and Republican. What person, with an IQ above 10, would not recognize that the Iranian deal is a path to a nuclear armed terrorist state?

Maxi • 6 years ago

I has been a terrorist state since shah Reza has been thrown out. He tried to westernize and modernize the country and it was taken over by radicals.

Diogenes • 6 years ago

It was already on its way to being westernized and modernized back in 1953, before the Shah. That was part of what ultimately led to the country's radicalization. The Brits, with CIA help, overthrew the legit, elected, secular government in 1953, then backed the Shah, who later became a despotic monarch resisting the democratization of his country. His jailing and exiling of the people who were trying to make Iran a western-style democracy created the vacuum that allowed the Grand Ayatollah to step into the foreground and throw him out of power.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Pretty far off dude. The 1953 CIA coup failed and internal Iranian leaders immediately performed their own and successful coup. The Shah was a minor tyrant, you kind of have to be to control the muslims. However he brought them into the 20th century. Women could work, could drive, could wear normal clothes, could walk without escort and did not have to walk behind their escort. Colleges and schools were opened and gave politically soft educations. Now you want a hard core secret police, that arrived with the Ayatollah and was far more harsh than the shah. And it was the french and russians who helped Khomeini build a plot to overthrow the shah. But they could not do so until he was out of the country. When he flew into the US for medical treatment was when they took over.

Diogenes • 6 years ago

Far off? The internal Iranian leaders you refer to were those backed by the CIA. The nation of Iran was already well on its way into the 20th century when the coup throwing Mossadegh from office happened. All those things you say the Shah was responsible for were already reality under Mossadegh's government. There's several newly released CIA reports discussing Project Ajax. You might want to try reading them.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

I have read many reports including new ones and know that the rest of the documents will not be available for another 36 years. Many of the new reports are revisals.

Iran at the time was not a democracy by any means. The office of Prime Minister was nominated from amongst the Majles deputies by the Shah. In turn, the Majles members either voted for or against the nomination. He was never chosen to be PM by the Iranian people for either time (he was PM on two separate occasions). Mossadegh enjoyed massive popularity at different times during his political career but at the end, lost all his popularity. Women could not drive or work at the time, that did not come until much later. In 1953, He cancelled parliamentary elections, suspending any aspect of democracy. In February 1953 there were mass demonstrations against him.

Our onsite actor for the coup was Colonel Zand-Karimi. But he failed to arrest Mossadegh on the night of the 15th and on the 16th was himself arrested. The PTAJAX agent planner had no backup plan and our coup failed. On the 19th, the former PM and a general (not any of our onsite actors) performed their own coup.

Diogenes • 6 years ago

foreignpolicy(dot)com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Sorry dude, but that article has many flaws.
1. I know for fact that the CIA documents that described the actual events and failures were destroyed by order of the director. So to make up for that, the article goes to other historical documents plus the documents that were released by the CIA and tries to read between the lines.
2. Our reason for TPAJAX was not oil. It was russian communism inroads into the country thru the local tudeh party which was both ally and enemy to Mossadegh. Our president wanted to halt the russian goals. But we made a bad mistake in Iran and pushed Mossadegh to look at the russians for help. Now it was the British who both betrayed Iran on oil and in turn was betrayed by Mossadegh on oil. Between the U.K. and the U.S. Iran had no market anywhere for oil or wool or other products as the U.K. thought they could wait and get better deals. This forced the tudeh and mossadeq to sell to the russians. The russians bought some oil, but not enough and did not buy or trade wool for sugar (to iran). Because of turning to russia, our president ordered the coup. However the coup was betrayed by one of the onsite assets (Darftari) who multiple times gave away the plans causing the onsite AJAX planner to fire off warning flares to halt coup actions. Also Col Mumtaz who fought for Mossadegh instead of the shah.
3. Mossadegh tricked/forced the Shaw to leave/flee to baghdad which blocked much of our assets to get support documents from the shaw for the new PM and some Majles and government offices.
4. On the 17th we finally got in touch with the shaw who was confused but not bitter at the U.S. actions/failures. However the state department ordered the CIA to halt activities other than monitoring. At this point a lot of it gets confused and is missing. We know Mossadegh started a mini revolution to keep himself in power, He fired 30 majles for being bribed by the british. The Tudeh make a call to arms to overthrow Mossadegh and had partisans running and protesting in the streets. At some point here, the tudeh were attacked by Col Mumtaz and later Mumtaz was killed by our assets. Daftari was appointed military governor. Zahedi and some others on their own used tanks to attack Mossadegh and his people and on the 20th completed the overthrow. At that point Roosevelt and the CIA and State Department moved in to assist consolidation and schedule the return of the shah. At this point tons of games began to be executed.
However, the CIA did not effect the coup. At least not directly. Some of this is reported in some documents other parts are what I was told 25 years later when I became involved in Iran.

Diogenes • 6 years ago

You know for a fact all CIA documents were destroyed? Then what are these documents that Foreign Policy looked at, something they made up? Strange how your version of what happened differs from what everyone else describes.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Read what I wrote. I did not say all. I said the CIA original documents that described the actual events and failures (the 17th-20th) were destroyed. not ALL documents. The critical documents of the failed coup and what happened next and the successful coup. There were other documents from State and such. And much of what I described IS documented by the CIA reports, just not the conspiracy theories that arose out of not having access to the documents. If you researched it, you would find that the facts that I specified did happen. It is the conclusions that others reported that are not factual. Such as that the major US interest was Oil when it was at most a secondary interest to help the U.K. The US had no positions or interest for oil in Iran at the time.

PatrickJ • 6 years ago

Trump is going to do the right thing with both Iran and North Korea. My guess is, it will include some military actions. About damned time, in my estimation.

The game so far has been, at least with most of our recent presidents, threaten them and they will give you more money not to act so nasty.

Trump represents a new game I think. Not only will we not give you more money because you act nasty, we will simply cut off all aid to your worthless country and then we will act nasty too.

Forgive me, but I would not want to be one of these countries on the receiving end of Trump's anger. All of you saw the speech he gave at the U.N. Trump is fed up with the whole thing, and I don't blame him one bit.

hacksaw • 6 years ago

it is good to finally have a President who will stand up against these rogue nations instead of kissing their rear ends!

obama 2nd class • 6 years ago

President Trump will put it this way " Either give back the $300 billion or else !!!" nuff said !

granny4 • 6 years ago

Of course Zarif would make negative comments about the President's speech - as well as Kerry - Zarif was in Kerry's daughter's wedding while these negotiations were moving forward .... interesting!!!

eddie47 • 6 years ago

Trump is only out to create new enemies especially the other countries that agreed to the deal. More threats to get his way regardless of the consequences. No wonder a country like North Korea won't back down for Trump because they see how he is playing the devil's advocate, as Kim Jung does himself. . Now Iran will just go back to their old ways just to stick a middle finger in his face.

Nuff said • 6 years ago

Hey, dumb-a$$, before Trump was elected President, after the thing was signed with Iran, under the Obama administration, they were threatening our ships and our aircraft to stick a finger in our eye. Have you, conveniently, forgotten that?

kate • 6 years ago

It is called "selective memory".

alicia • 6 years ago

Eddie is a full fledge MORON: ignore his comment. its worthless.

Nuff said • 6 years ago

I know.

eddie47 • 6 years ago

You really should bone up on what you "know".

eddie47 • 6 years ago

Alicia; Except that it was their territorial waters. International waters are only about 12 miles wide in the Straits of Hormuz. Iran can come right up to our ships or any other ship and still be legal by international law. You are under the assumption that we somehow own their waterways. I wouldn't want any Russian,Chinese or Iranian warship off of our coast and I would expect our Navy to intercede and give them a warning. Do you understand international law or is it more convenient to call people names?

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Except they are not allowed to attack our ships or threaten our ships which they have done as international law allows traffic of all kinds in straits and narrows between countries.

eddie47 • 6 years ago

They haven't stopped any ships or tankers so you are blowing smoke.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

They have fired over our ships, in front of our ships, they have made multiple forays against our ships and harass them all the time. They even kidnapped a boat full of navy.

Nuff said • 6 years ago

It is easier to call you a name, an idiot, at that, because we do not normally operate in their waterways. They do not recognize international waters. Try again!

eddie47 • 6 years ago

Yes we do "operate" in their waters. Don't be so naïve! Our Navy is all over that immediate region . So they do "recognize" international waters. You want to try for 3 strikes out?

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Try reading international law on traffic between countries in straits and narrows.

eddie47 • 6 years ago

I did years ago .

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Then why are you protesting that these are their waters when international marine law specifies that straits and narrows between countries are open to international traffic.

Maxi • 6 years ago

these people are probably planning to take over anyway so I would suppose you liked it when Obama was an enabler for these countries. Just stick your head in the sand and let life go on till it does not any more. that may be you. obama had a more sinister agenda.

alicia • 6 years ago

We will see.

MJC • 6 years ago

Not interesting, disgusting. But what else can we expect from swiftboat kerry?

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

What a farce. Like Zarif has any room to talk. He and his leaders and his people chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" all the time and he thinks straight talk from the president is medieval. Or the other idiot who said no one would trust America again. News for you dude. Obama did not commit America to this treaty, if he had wanted to, he would have taken it to the senate and gotten it ratified. He had 3 years to do so and he did not. Just like he also made false treaties in Paris and the U.N small arms treaty and I think one for Cuba. Obama had no concept of following the constitution. He thought (and still does) he was the emperor of the U.S.

betterboy • 6 years ago

To get a real look into Obutthole, if you have Amazon prime watch the movie "dreams from my REAL father". His real father was a communist and so is Oturd.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

While he was a citizen due to his mom being a citizen, his upbringing programmed him to a foreign viewpoint and anti-Americanism. That is precisely why the founders put in a natural born citizen statement in the constitution. So we would only have presidents who were raised in America and loved America.

Jim • 6 years ago

The "Deal" was not approved by Congress so it's actually a deal between Obama and Iran. Now Obama is out and deal is void. Hope Trump displays some _alls and pulls out. It's a shell game anyway. Iran is still working on it and they are getting help from from Rocketman.
Iran's army and its people shout "Death to America" and they were shouting it one day after the deal. At best it's a delay because they will have the right by the deal to become a nuclear power in ten years anyway so the "Deal" at best kicks the can down the road to our kids and grand kids. That was very nice of Obama. He'll be back in Kenya by then so he doesn't care. Good grief. Pull out!!!!! Then, destabilize them anyway we can now.

Greg • 6 years ago

Unfortunately there is some obscure law that says that if the President signs an international agreement and Congress does not pass a bill to disapprove it, it is deemed approved. That's why, if the President decertifyed it, Congress must act on that within 60 days. If Congress does not act, the President's action is moot.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

That law (if it exists) denies the constitution which specifically states a treaty must be approved (concur) by 2/3s of the senate. Not congress.

Greg • 6 years ago

You are right. It is not a treaty. Still binding, just like Paris.

J. Ellyssen • 6 years ago

Not sure what you mean by binding. It is not a treaty and has no binding force of any kind. Now that does not mean the presidents cannot try to adhere to it. But we have no legal or international commitment to do a single thing for it. We can toss it as is going to happen. That is one of the many reasons obama was such a poor president. He did not believe in the constitution and felt he could do anything he wanted without paying attention to the law, the constitution or even the oath he swore.

hoover • 6 years ago

If you are referring to the Paris Accord, that is not binding on the US.

Greg • 6 years ago

Then why have they given us a timeline on how long it will actually take us to get out? Read more, post less.

hoover • 6 years ago

What's the recourse if we just say 'nope, we're not doing that'?

eddie47 • 6 years ago

"destabilize them any way we can"? Cold War tactics seldom worked so why keep indulging in them? Eventually the saboteurs get outed like with the Russian hackers. All that did was set back relationships with Russia and did them no good. So if a nuclear deal with Iran is "bad" then why should North Korea be willing to give up their nukes?

CBB • 6 years ago

Obama was the worst president in our history!! I pray President Trump ends the deal with Iran. Obama did the deal just before he left office, because the muslims are his people!! Remember he sent a military cargo plan to Iran, and it had so many billions of dollars in cash to give to the Irans!! The whole nation was upset about it. We have millions poor people in the US could have used that money...so yes President Trump...cancell that dumb deal!! We don't owe Iran a thing. They've done nothing for us!!

jimbo • 6 years ago

Remember I said this,We Are Pulling Out

Tony • 6 years ago

Considering that Trump SUPPOSEDLY made his decision during the campaign -- according to his campaign promises -- I've been wondering what's been taking so long. Now I know.

In spite of his campaign promise, he really didn't know what he was going to do. Sounds very much like another broken promise is on the way.

alicia • 6 years ago

no it doesnt. He will cancel it. Wait and see. And, what other broken promises have you seen by the way??? If I might ask?