We Indians should use good language here .
It pays to be a nice debater .

Why would we buy a F-16 or gripe (the E which is just completed a demo flight) when we have something comparable. The only options are more Rafale, SU-30MKI/Su-35 or F-35 C (which would be greatly useful for the navy too). The latter is not available and will require considerable infrastructure development for integration with the Indian Air Force (and so is prohibitively expensive), unless the codes are provided by USA which is not even thinkable.
So its either going to be more Rafale, or More SU-30MKI / Su-35 or even a combination of both.

When india started building missiles and satellites same thing was said .we should walk before we run .tejas should be developed as long as it takes. Vested interests will always like this project to end

Indians have successfully reached Mars and Moon and could do successful indigenous development of Cryogenic engine technology. And India is the favorite country for low cost Satellite launching to other countries including the USA companies. What makes India lag behind in creating indigenous development of combat plane and Jet engines? We have brains to develop anything but Indian politicians think otherwise. Politicians in power would allot insufficient funds to R and D to go on for ever in order to make way for their greed to get commission in every Defense import deals. Importing Combat Jets and Jet engines are sizable deals.

Buying F-22s or F-35s is a more rational option

The Tejas is a disaster.

Amazing that nobody picked out the single most glaring and obvious hint of how outdated this article really is : Defence Minister Parrikar. Arun Jaitley is the Defence Minister for months now, and this report has been published now.

Don't ever trust this site. Ever.

Like Aadhar, NPA, Reservations and the Constitution, India is continuing to throw good money after bad and build upon failure.

from design to delivery: 30 years. making this newest jet also the oldest. :)
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then rejected by the navy due to lack of thrust.
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great great india. :)

then to tejas never failed in its flight test more than 1362 test have been passed,stop insulting tejas,we are not copying designs here, its true that tejas had many joint ventures and we have made it as we wanted which is to replace mig

well, well,well i was talking about the 1362 trials of tejas,which were all successful , one about rejection of tejas by navy side was because of overweight , india has well initiated plans to overcome this.

now coming on to your side ,let me tell you you people first of all dont show actual news in your channels, most of them are hidden and some are cooked up stories. f-22 took 30 years to come into production and you made 5th gen a joke, indeed your 5th gens will never be called state of art . may be we indians tech or stuffs are not that advanced as urs but we stand with truth and unity when comes to countries. is there any report on your failure? a power can never be a superpower till it faces hitches in its way.did ur fighters never faced problems?

its not that we indians hate china, but we love your infrastructures , jacky chan, kungfu,old traditions, curse of golden flower, dragons,your traditional music and instrument ,culture -but we hate your opinion,your insults, make people bend down. i felt really bad when no carpets were drawn for mr.obama,that showed the way you people are and how you behave. am 15 yr old and have such weird and worst thought for you people, .

If you look at our common enemies and our common shared cultural, economic, and democratic values, it is obvious that India and America are destined to be strategic partners and natural freinds / allies. What India needs is a squadron of F35's for that new carrier. That is a message China and Pakistan would get loud and clear. Why even invest in 4th gen tech? One F35 is worth 10 Tejas, which Is probably hindi for Target.

All things aside, hard to rely on a country which is at the precipice of a civil war, never mind a mentally unstable Head of state and a possible looming threat of nuclear war with NK.
But yeah, India, USA and Israel might need to stand by each other given how the geo-political climate is right now.

A little attempt at humor. No clue what it actually means. But it sounds like a real turkey. F35 unit cost heading under 80 million now. RCS of a flying b-b and gets better with each software update. The enemy dies before they even know you are there. Highly networked. Cant be targeted. India would be better off with 100 F35's than 1000 tejas. Best case scenario they get their 4th generation crapmobile program fixed in 10 or 20 years - which they probably wont. Time to just let it go and get with the winning program.

Tejas is a Sanskrit word meaning "radiance"

Hire The United States for security. Sign a treaty with the US, take the money you will save and spend it on mass transportation and highways. Do something for your people.

no it won't save any $$$ for the u.s. will demand india to buy everything in the highest prices, i.e. protection money. :)

The LCA might have taken a long time to develop but it should be noted that it was started from scratch and there was previously no aeroindustry in India.
Besides from thìs program India gain valuable technical know-how, experience, aerospace infrastructure and a working fighter jet.

Respectfully, India is so far behind in this area that it should just let it go. Best case scenario in 20 or 30 years you have a decent 4th gen fighter and are only 50 or 60 years behind in the stealth business. Try and buy the F35. Its what you need.

India has only 2 adversaries Pakistan and China. Both of them are backward in defence technology, so why should we waste resources in buying expensive F-35s. we should try to develop fighter jets indigenously and utilize the savings towards infrastructure development. You tell what purpose has your B-52 bombers, F-22, F-35 , large aircraft carriers , missile arsenal has served to common man of USA, absolutely nothing as these are merely show pieces. In daily lives we are more affected by Country's economic strength, which USA has lost over last 20 years. Your factories have shut down, people have become unemployed as China has filled your markets with their products. You people finance your adversaries by buying their goods that made them so well off that today they are preparing military strength to challenge you in Pacific. As far as India is considered we are making gradual progress, a country that has just completed 71 years of independence has already sent Moon & Mars Rover missions and preparing manned space missions. By the time India is 100 yrs young it will be a global power ahead of Europe, Japan and China.

see at this point of time it is very baseless to go for f-35. f-35 is a great fighter but we do not have the technology or infrastructure to support this kind of aircraft.
consider a case where u have a computer with RAM 512mb and u want to play GTA-V in the computer you can download the game but it wont run properly. for that u have to buy a good processor and a bigger RAM which will cost you alot.
similar is the case with f-35.
f-35 is made by lockheed martin and before this we never had any history with the company so this company does not have any of thir technology or experience in the indian sky.

no one wants u to interfare in indian matters,look

so mark2 is still the empty without the supplyer.

Not for long. Look at its Integrated missile development program and space program. India today has all kinds of missiles. JEt engine technology is all about material and testing once you crack that, turning out new products in less time is realtively easy.

it's not from scratch, it's just a 30-year old mirage. and india gained valuable technical know-how of a non-performing jet, that's great, it suits india very much. :)

The Mirage is of a highly inferior airframe design compared to the LCA Tejas. Mirage is a stable airframe design compared to the highly maneuverable unstableTejas design with Quadruplex Digital Fly by Wire system.

of course the lca should have a better airframe as the french technology evolves too over 30 years. :D
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and no delta wing has stable airframe, most modern jet fighters have to rely on computer assisted avionics to make them fly stably anyway.
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....and everything said, the tejas is still a 30 year old "new" plane. :P

we do not do reverse engineering stealing tech ..we believe in our self ..if some one want to be our partner and share his knowledge then we do not have any problem ..

Don't be jealous. It is a supersonic jet with advanced weaponry and avionics. Improvements in it are going on day and night. Small technical superiority here and there do not enhance wartime capabilities to a large extent.

jealous when everything is just brought and put together? oh sure, haha....
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and when you can't even do the technical parts correctly, you can save your time talking about wartime capabilities to a large extend. :)

Except the engine everything else is indigenous to large extent!

really? who made the radars? who provided the technology and knowledge for making the airframe? who made the weapons? who built the avionics and developed the flight and combat software? why is it rejected by the navy right away? india might have made the wheels alright. :D

At least we did not steal the designs as one of our neighbours did

Look at the serial production status by Indian companies catering to the production of Tejas. And don't tell us what happened 30 years back. Be jealous but you will soon have to realize the power of determination of Indians. Whatever we focus on we achieve excellence. To cut it short, full production by Indian companies have began.

sure we have looked at the serial production status of the tejas before i came out with the questions. care to tell us who made the radar for the tejas just to start with? :)
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and why should i be jealous for a 30-year old "new" jet with almost everything imported and rejected by my own navy? :D

You don't understand what happens in a serial production. Except engine, All components are being made in India with or without license, we don't need to reinvent the wheel.

not correct.
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why not tell us who makes the radar and the sensors on the jet? and who makes the weapons too? they don't sound like indian but jewish and russian to me, hehe....
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as for the wheel thing, i must say the only parts that india has made for the jet could be wheels. that's why you don't have to reinvent them. :P

AESA Uttam radar made by DRDO. Wepaons- ASTRA made by DRDO.

Do use google for relevant information rather than resorting to strawman arguments and whataboutery.

Chinse did not dare to fly there coffin "J10" in front of LCA in BahrAIN AIRSHOW.

if THEIR j10 AND j20S ARE SO GREAT WHY cHINESE ARE BUYING rUSSIAN sUKHOI AND tURBOFANS IN LARGE NUMBERS?

sure, but you have skipped the most important that:
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THE RADAR IS AN ISRAELI JOINT VENTURE AND IT'S ALL ISRAELI TECHNOLOGY.
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THE MISSILE IS DESIGNED AND BUILT BY THE RUSSIANS AND FRENCH IN INDIA ONLY.
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widow maker is the entire indian air force, want to tell us how many planes the iaf has crashed so far? :D
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why would china send any j-10 to Bahrain? china won't have to show off any 30-year old "new" aircraft either, haha....
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the su-35 that china has bought has a different role than the j-10s and the j-20s, so why is china not allowed to buy advanced jets to fill the production gap? and what is wrong when the engines are bought as a package? can you tell me what engines are used in the j-10s and j-20s today? :D
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China just stole Russians designs and reverse engineered Russian planes like they do with everything else

You are completely wrong. Uttam AESA radar is an Indian technology and Astra missile is completely Indian as well. You should hide your face in some dirt, jealous fellow! India is a super power now!

sorry but don't think i am wrong....
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uttam radar: does the isreali elta el/m-2052 radar sound familiar to you?
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astra missile: basically the indian version of the russian r-77 and it still has to rely on critical russian technology for it to work.
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i don't see how india is a super power.
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India has used the 2 foreign armament as you mentioned, however, there was no technology transfer in either case. Uttam AESA and Astra mark I BVAAR, are separate projects which indigenous technology. Hope you understand this now. India is the third largest country in the world in terms of GDP measured by purchasing power parity of goods and services after US and China. I think now you would understand this, unless you are a Pakistani Spy looking to acquire information from various sources.

Not a Pakistani .lot of Chinese everywhere

there is of course no tech transfer, india is simply using Israeli and russian products.
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india maybe the third in gdp ppp ranking, but did you know the actual value before you said so?
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china: t$23,122,027 million
e.u.: t$20,852,702 million (not count as a country)
u.s.: t$19,362,129 million
india: t$9,446,789 million
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india has almost the same population as china, but see how much india is lagging behind? :)
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india's poor performance has nothing to do pakistani spy. :D

Yeah well, at least we didn't blatantly infringe and steal IP And copyrighted material. Copy away chinki :)

may or may not, no one cares too much about india on that as it's just an old fighter and it can't build things right anyway, hehe....