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Alleged-Comment • 5 years ago

Another name for demons or fallen angels.

Brandon • 6 years ago

Not mine, but seems relevant.

Gnomi Malone > Erin Gloria Ryan
10/24/14 8:43pm

Never seen one myself but I have a story from someone I trust. A few years ago, I asked my SO if he had ever seen a ghost. He got really uncomfortable and squirrelly, lots of hemming and hawing. Annoyed, I said "Just say yes or no! I won't judge if you think you have seen a ghost." (I'm a skeptic and figured he didn't want to sound like a rube or something). Turns out he was hesitant because he believes he saw one but it was while he was deployed on a mission in the Middle East, and he was trying to think of how he could describe it without giving up any classified info. The story is this:

He was in the spooky, vague "Middle East" when there was a commotion from the soldiers watching the perimeter. Apparently, they could see a man about 100 yards away from the camp. He had appeared out of nowhere, no one saw him walking up. The man was just standing there, not doing anything threatening. But since it was a strange man in a war zone, they broke out all the high tech gear to see what was going on. They could see his face, his clothes, his height, but he looked bizarrely distorted and was not giving off a heat signature (they have infrared jimjams and whatnot, it's the freaking military not a piddling ghosthunting troupe here). He was not the temperature of a human being, he was the temperature of the air around him. They had no idea what was going on and people were freaking out.

At this point I said some obvious stuff- "Maybe it was a scarecrow or dummy. Or a shadow. Or the soldiers were really tired and delirious and their eyes were playing tricks on them. Or it was a hologram weapon shaped like a human".

His response: They called different people up to come look at the man, it wasn't just a few soldiers who saw this- dozens of people came to look and everyone confirmed that it was definitely a person. Eventually they decided to send out a team to check this guy out. When they got about 50 yards away, the man started walking- only it didn't look like he was walking toward or away from them, only walking in place. They froze, expecting an attack. But the man never got any closer.

Me- "So he was, uh, moonwalking? OooooOOoohh a terrorist with dance moves, scary!"

His shaky response: It looked like it was trying to walk but instead of moving like a regular person, its bones were breaking and splintering backwards and forwards at the joints. I can't think of a better way to describe it. Its head was jerking around like a puppet. When the convoy got a few yards closer, it disappeared entirely. The team hauled ass back to camp and as soon as they returned, the man-thing reappeared in its spot. Everyone took turns watching it for an hour or so until it disappeared for good. Didn't walk away, didn't fly or melt or explode, just stood there for a looooong time then vanished.

The description of the bones breaking and bending the wrong way gets me every time. My SO still doesn't like talking about it and he is not one to make up stories or lie, he doesn't care about ghosts or proving their existence. But him and dozens of other soldiers were scared out of their minds by an inexplicable man-thing in the desert that night.

Dr. Victor Frankenstein • 7 years ago

"They are also known to lie, deceive, or manipulate humans, and to even possess them on occasion. "

These behavior patterns fit also the "Western" concepts of devils, deamons and poltergeists - pretty much the same thing and therefore not specifically restricted to the Arab world. Calling them "Jinns" just confuses the picture and creates appearance of differences where there are none.

J.Griffin • 7 years ago

You may find this GIF interesting.

Please watch it all the way through its short cycle-
It's pretty good.

Lon would probably share it if you'd like to use it.

He also just did an interesting article featuring several comments
about the Djinn at almost the same time you posted this....

This is a link to the article that featured this GIF:

http://www.phantomsandmonst...

This is for the Djinn article:

http://www.phantomsandmonst...

I'm not "parasite"-ing,
I just feel that they are germain since that bottom link also draws the Djinn into a comparison with Keel's ultraterrestrial hypothesis...

https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

DeckardB26354 • 7 years ago

Thanks for another insightful article, Brent!

I would just like to point that belief in the Jinn existed even during pre-Islamic times, and prominent writers in the Fortean field such as John Keel, and Rosemary Guiley have touched upon it (the latter in great depth). Keel especially came to the conclusion that what we see as aliens, fairies, ghosts/ shadow people are interlinked, they are 'tricksters' appearing to people from different generations in different guises. This is a key part of the Jinn's characteristics (which you have cited in your article).

I personally believe that what we perceive as shadow people and aliens are in fact, jinns or interdimensional entities as I like to call them, existing in a parallel dimension to ours.

I'd also like to say (in response to one of the comments above) that belief in the Jinn does not equate to one being 'primitive', I would say on the contrary that people who question the nature of our world, and the possibilties of alternate realities and entities - are anything but primitive! Yes, in certain countries superstitious belief can create problems (as I myself have witnessed on my travels), but I would put that down to a lack of education and social economic influences.

J.Griffin • 7 years ago

Pretty much.

People can "ignorantly" hide behind scientism
(which is what most of "science",falsely so-called,actually is)
just like those that they scorn for hiding behind so-called
"superstition".

However-
I would like to believe that most of us are capable of admitting
that there is more to the picture than meets the eye...

M. M. • 6 years ago

It says something about scientists when they dismiss the supernatural sightings of millions of people around the world throughout history, while not one of them has ever seen an atom but they all say atoms exist.

I'm sure atoms exist but so does the supernatural. Belief in the first should not preclude the second but scientists as a group have rather closed minds.

J.Griffin • 6 years ago

Science without Conscience:

Werner von Braun said that “Science does not have a moral dimension. It is like a knife. If you give it to a surgeon or a murderer, each will use it differently.”

He would know,
considering his experience with the Nazis...

Also,
many early surgeons and scientists openly mocked the concept of "germs" that killed people.

"Even if some living thing
too small to be seen
actually existed,
how could something so small possibly be dangerous?

Then came microscopes...

We can't see air,either-
but we sure need it!

Dr. Victor Frankenstein • 7 years ago

"People can "ignorantly" hide behind scientism"

There are many people out there, including scientists, that degrade the basic nature of science by trying to turn it into some kind of anti-religion.

Real science is nothing but observation/recording/modelling of reproducible observation. Any statements beyond that are intrinsically anti-scientific.

J.Griffin • 7 years ago


That's what scientism is.

"Scientism,
in the strong sense,
is the self-annihilating view that only scientific claims are meaningful, which is not a scientific claim and hence-
if true,not meaningful.

Thus,
scientism is either false or meaningless.

This view seems to have been held by
Ludwig Wittgenstein in his 'Tractatus Logico Philosophicus' (1922) when he said such things as
'The totality
of true propositions is the whole of natural science...' "
-The Skeptic's Dictionary

The ridiculous reaches made by
those in the white coats
are really an insult-
It's just a stupid game of claims.

They make a claim that then has to be disproven...
to their satisfaction.

That is VERY unscientific-
they make the claim,
THEY HAVE TO PROVE IT.

If the claim is made
regarding an object
(in spite of the evidence)
then that extreme claim requires extreme evidence to
disprove the existing evidence and testimonies.

They have reversed the scientific method and placed their claims as empirical...
which they are NOT.

It really revolves around the public's faith in "science"...
as it is currently misrepresented by the adherents of that which is actually SCIENTISM...
the scientists.

On a similar note,
just how objective is
"peer-reviewed science"?

Objectivity is
bound to be compromised
in such a case.

Et cetera,
ad nauseam,
ad absurdum,
ad infinitum.

Ghostdanser • 7 years ago

Thanks for an interesting article Brent!