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Barbara • 1 week ago

A former drug dealer lies about numbers on streaming service. Gee what a surprise.

Jallarhorn • 1 week ago

Should be easy enough. Just compare the data with the payout. If they match....

Binky Melnik • 1 week ago

Paragraph 13 covered that. It says they matched perfectly.

Jallarhorn • 1 week ago

Well, if it walks like a duck..
Jail next for fraud.

Binky Melnik • 1 week ago

More like “If it raps like a duck ...” 🤪 but yeah; loooks to me like they’ve been caught with their sticks in their hands!

Urbeka • 1 week ago

One small example (out of thousands) on the data in this study, for a given person;
- At 09.30.57 she starts the first track, «Pray You Catch Me». Halfway into the first song, at 1 min 14 seconds, she restart the track from the beginning. She then listen to the rest of the record. The seventh track she listens to two times, then drops last track.
- At 10.30.57 she starts the first track, restarts it at 1 min 14 seconds, listens to the seventh track two times, then drops the last track.
- At 11.30.57 the same happens.
- At 12.30.57 the same happens.
And again.. and again… and again…

RickTFBsince2015 • 1 week ago

Jay Z has to get Tidal out of Oslo, because DN is going to keep writing theses stories. Why are they so obsessed with Tidal?

Morpheus • 1 week ago

"This is a smear campaign from a publication that once referred to our employee as an “Israeli Intelligence officer” and our owner as a “crack dealer.”

We expect nothing less from them than this ridiculous story, lies and falsehoods. The information was stolen and manipulated and we will fight these claims vigorously."

that Racist Nazi newpaper they've been writing negative stories about Tidal since it's inception..

eucliditis • 1 week ago

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

Phantorang • 1 week ago

Explain how every single user of 3 million can play the same album 8 times a day for 10 days?

Explain how people who never listen to Beyonce or West can have 60+ plays of their albums?

Phantorang • 1 week ago

They wouldn't write anything if they just could show they didnt cheat. It is obvious cheating when every single Tidal user played the Limonade album 12 times every single day, at specific times. Tidal can easily stop this if this is not true, they can prove what is right. When they choose not to do it, but only send threats, it looks bad for them.

Morpheus • 1 week ago

FAKE NEWS media does it all the time!

Phantorang • 1 week ago

Tidal can prove DN wrong, and forever ruin their reputation, just let someone look at their internal database, very simple, then bye bye DN.

But they won't ever do that, they will only send threats, nothing else, thats very strange when they have the power to destroy DN, or is DN right? Which of course they are. Explain how every single user can have played the same album 8 times every single day for 10 days?
How can users have played Limonade 60 times in one day when they never listen to it?

Tidal can prove DN wrong, very easy, if DN is lying, but seems to me Tidal is a huge scam.

RickTFBsince2015 • 1 week ago

What's DN's perspnal beef with Jay Z? Or who's paying them to smear Tidal? DN called Jay Z a "crack dealer" and one of his employees, an "Israeli intelligence officer" (Jewish guy). Definitely seems like Apple or Spotify are paying DN and other outlets to smear Tidal. Apple did the same thing with Drake's album, and most of the media stayed quiet. All of theses streaming services are lying about their number, so why does Tidal always receive the negative stories?

Creamy Lollipop • 1 week ago

The newspaper is one of Norway’s most renowned news providers, and the journalists behind the Tidal story have been given the Norwegian version of Pulitzer price just a short time ago. Tidal has their main office in Oslo, Norway, hence the attention from a Norwegian newspaper. NTNU (Norwegian University of Science and Technology) is a state owned university, and the Norwegian equivalent to MIT.

Cunning_Linguist • 1 week ago

tick tock...

Morpheus • 1 week ago

This obviously "fake news" A smear job to stop Tidal from competing with Apple and Spotify, How come no one is at Apple or Spotify doing an "investigation" into their numbers? When artist gain control of their art the powers that leech off them make sure they stay in their place. Micheal Jackson was cool until he bought the Beatles catalog then he got smeared by the fake news media as Wacko. We've seen this movie before..

Binky Melnik • 1 week ago

How do you know that no one’s investigated Apple and Spotify? Maybe someone did and they found no impropriety, hence no need for headlines. They’d be pretty boring headlines if they investigated and found nothing. (“Apple, Spotify not faking their bookkeeping.”)

Whenever there’s money involved, someone, somewhere is looking at it, looking for funny business. I’ll bet there’re even people looking so they might find a way to start some funny business of their own.

Having said all that, I’d like to point out that not everything is a conspiracy. I’m finally getting used to people seeing conspiracies in absolutely everything, including school shootings. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, to borrow a useful phrase from an unrelated industry.

Phantorang • 1 week ago

So because no other company has been cheating the way Tidal has, its unfair? You think every single Tidal user played Limonade 12 times a day? Im sorry this hurts, it does, but its true, and whataboutism doesnt make this ok.

afhtown • 1 week ago

It's fake... because you don't like the conclusion? Whataboutery tends to be a poor argument in response to specific accusations. Michael Jackson was wacko because (and I can't believe I have to list these in 2018 but hey): facial surgery, skin colour, behaviour around children, withdrawal from public life, dangling kid over balcony, etc etc. No-one is writing exposé articles about people who are really in control of their music (see Bandcamp). If you think Tidal or any other rich man's vanity project is above reproach you're making a naive mistake. (And to your point, perhaps people should investigate Apple and Spotify too. The risk of this Ponzi cheating applies to all streaming services. Doesn't get Tidal off the hook though.)

Morpheus • 1 week ago

"This is a smear campaign from a publication that once referred to our employee as an “Israeli Intelligence officer” and our owner as a “crack dealer.”

We expect nothing less from them than this ridiculous story, lies and falsehoods. The information was stolen and manipulated and we will fight these claims vigorously."

Keep listening to that Racist Nazi newpaper they've been writing negative stories about Tidal since it's inception..

Guest • 1 week ago
afhtown • 1 week ago

all of your criticisms of the industry are valid. But it's not slander if accusers provide evidence. Which the journalists have.

Norm Karsh • 1 week ago

“These numbers meant that, on average, every single TIDAL subscriber would have had to be playing the Kanye album over eight times a day.”

I think it is VERY possible that a person would play a Kanye album eight times in a row. I do that most days because the racket keeps away deer, squirrels, and rabbits from my garden.

Jakob Skouborg • 1 week ago

Hahaha, I fucking love this :)

You use Tidal, not to listen to the music yourself.......... but you use Tida to scare away animals from your garden?

That's hillarious.

Tidal > too shitty for human consumption > uses it to scare away animals......

Sorry, this is too funny......

Kris • 1 week ago

Not to mention the number of people who signed up for "free trials" when albums like TLOP and Lemonade dropped so they could listen for free but deleted their accounts before the trial period was up. It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that millions of people signed up for free accounts to listen to a new Beyonce album. She's the most famous living musician in the world, so the "every tidal subscriber...eight times a day" quote is technically inaccurate because it only accounts for paying subscribers.

Trond Michelsen • 1 week ago

You should look at the report. Users has started listening to the album at exactly two hour intervals, to the millisecond. They play the songs in the same order, including skipping from one song to another at exactly the same time, every time they play the album. They find the same patterns across 1.7 million users.

Kris • 1 week ago

I saw the report. I agree that seemed odd to me but for all we know that's just how it gets logged into the system for simplicity. I don't know. All I know is that millions of people signed up for free accounts after TLOP and especially after Lemonade, from all over the world. I mean Beyonce is literally the most popular musician in the world today. 100 million streams even wouldn't have been too far-fetched. But I can only speculate.

ShandoStorm • 1 week ago

I actually did that, definitely not that many plays but about 4 album runs in a day

Kris • 1 week ago

Exactly, and given Beyonce's global popularity there were definitely millions of free sign-ups after the Lemonade release. The "3 million subscribers" claim doesn't take that into account.

Art Haack • 1 week ago

Oops!

Andrea Pantoja • 1 week ago

Wow!

Christopher Øien • 1 week ago

Hope West ends up in prison for this, mooching off of other artists who actually makes good music, disgusting. He probably think thats ok, being a "gangsta" and all. Moron.

Kazz Man • 1 week ago

I'm not thrilled with Kanye, but I'm not going to lie on him either. He has never portrayed himself as a gangster, so you have probably never bothered to listen to any of his music; however, it's obvious you are a racist PO$ who associates every black rapper with the word "thug". That's like saying every white Italian is in the Mafia.

Pepe Rana • 1 week ago

West? He did absolutely nothing in this case. WTF? You are a moron. And clearly a cuck, leftist, Jay-Zero supporter. I bet your hangnail is Trumps' fault.

hii hehe • 1 week ago

Your comment is so contradicting it's sad. You point out that West has nothing to do with this case, but he has way more to do with this case than Trump. You're gay for Trump.

Marcus • 1 week ago

Wow you're an idiot. First he does actually make good music. Second how is this Kanye's fault. Third LOL at him ending up in prison. Stop

Wsims • 1 week ago

Also didn’t he leave Tidal and have an odd falling out with Jay Z?

John Locke • 1 week ago

Kanye hasn't made a good song in over a decade, and he is completely hopeless in making beats with any originality. He is not a genius. He had some talent making beats once upon a time and that was about it. He's completely gone off the deep end and his wife is an idiot too. He lives in his own universe completely detached from reality. His shoe line is getting dropped and he's lost the respect of the entire black community after saying slavery was a choice. That fact that you defended Kanye on the Internet just days after the beginning of his fall shows you are also a moron.

VitoMaserati • 1 week ago

his shoe line is getting dropped? where do you idiots come up with this bs. Adidas just came out and said they will do nothing about his contract based off his recent opinions. Why would they drop a line that sells 400k pairs in 30 seconds. Thats right they wouldnt.

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Christopher Øien • 1 week ago

West is still in Tidal, he hasn't left anything. He would never give up a deal where he can mooch and steal from other musicians.

LJ • 1 week ago

SHUT UP BITCHES DONT BE JEALOUS GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...WHY LOOK INTO IT NOW AFTER ALL THIS TIME,JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE WEALTHIER NOW..THTS STUPID...WE WILL PROTEST AGAINEST THIS SHIT JUST WAIT AND SEE.

Katarzyna Anna • 1 week ago

Thanks Mate . Good job 😃

Kalifornia Kitsune • 1 week ago

You're the bitch. Looking at MY DATA (I downloaded the archive) and it says I listened to Lemonade over 60 times. I don't like Beyonce. I prefer 8Ball/MJG (which is why I signed up in the first place.) So you're a fake lying ass bitch that's trying to defend some lyin' ass hoes.

Christopher Øien • 1 week ago

Its you who are a bitch, stupid mooch lover.

trehcurb • 1 week ago

A very normal reply.

NMiguelCosta • 1 week ago

Kanye West being a con man like his idol and mentor Donald Trump. Nothing shocking here except if you tell me Russia also was entangled in this operation.

imbruglia • 1 week ago

the writer doesn't even know how streaming number works. lol
250m in 10 days meaning, 250m tracks, not whole album. so it means 3m user play 8 track out of 18track album, 1 time per day for 10 days. huge difference.

musicbizworldwide • 1 week ago

No it doesn't. It means 250m stream-equivalent albums. Peace & love.