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Swags • 4 years ago

Great read! I loved the ominous warning section. The question that I have is how do we turn dogma storage into a kitchen pantry item. Is it just the softening of our pride or the passage of time?

The problem is I feel like this doesn't often happen anyway. For this reason: "I wanted to make sure I didn’t sign up to listen to others with dogmatic beliefs contrary to mine. I wanted to find facts". The problem is the "facts" that we often find are dogmatic arguments that support what we already believe. We live in a dogmatic world where people rarely share strong arguments that oppose their own view. I believe that we MUST listen to dogma on both sides if we are to truly confront our own bias in an honest way.

Of course that is if we even bother to take it out of the dogma storage. Unfortunately I have been mostly content to leave dizzying dogma in storage. When I am confronted with it in real life I would rather say "I don't know" than to feel the vertigo of honestly examining its contents.

J. Hathaway • 4 years ago

I think only listening to Dogma on both sides just leaves an individual lost. We become relativists. I liked Lee's quote in the article I reference above,

'The halfway point between truth and error is still error. But I am suggesting that at some level all ideologies are an enemy of the process by which truth is discovered.'

Dogma storage is for points that we are not sure are valid or at least supported well. I am not sure humility is how we move items back to the pantry. I think we throw them out or move them back when we have found the right foundational facts that negate it or support them.

Time is a must! Because proving something often requires research, thought, and support from others.

Swags • 4 years ago

Unfortunately the interpretation of foundational facts brings in the human element. You and I must be the one to interpret them and we may both think we got it right. Should we not talk to each other about how we got to our conclusions because we might get lost?

Humility has to play a role in moving items to the pantry. Missionary work! Hello? How may times was that the key factor to peoples conversion in the Book of Mormon? The only way one converts to the church is if they humble themselves enough to challenge their current world view. They have to ask themselves "Maybe the way I am thinking is wrong?" We would encourage them to ask that question. Believing in the church is certainly a dogma that runs contrary to most of the world. Should they not examine it?

J. Hathaway • 4 years ago

I agree that humility and meekness are how we recognize which of our beliefs are dogmatic. The willingness to listen to others that think differently than us is vital to break open the hard shell of our dogmatically held beliefs.

Once we put tentative views into dogma storage, then I am not sure that humility with respect to others is the tool that helps us throw the belief out to the trash or bring it back into the pantry. In fact, the deference part of humility may actually inhibit us from knowing what action to take.

Humility concerning God can help us find guidance from him on how we handle the belief that is in Dogma storage. I believe revelation is one of the keys to discerning what to do with items in dogma storage. However, it is just one of the keys. We must leverage other evidentiary sources like scripture, historical references, logic, life experience, trusted mentors, trusted thinkers, etc.