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Jacob • 2 years ago

Is AMD R5 5600G compatible with a MSI PRO B550-A PRO motherboard? Or is it not? And is my tower's cooler going to be enough or will I need more cooling power?

Daniel • 2 years ago

That motherboard should support that CPU, yes---but it has to be at least on BIOS version 7C56vA7. So if you acquired that mobo a while ago and are only (or primarily) upgrading the CPU, you should update the BIOS to the newest available version with your current CPU before making the switch.

As to the second question, I'm a bit confused as you did not specify the cooler in question. Are you just asking whether the CPU Cooler should be enough without additional case fans? Or are you asking if the Wraith Stealth cooler included with the 5600G is sufficient to cool it? If either of those interpretations is correct, the answer should be 'yes.'

Pepe • 4 years ago

What about AMD Ryzen 3300x ? It's better than 3200?

Daniel • 4 years ago

Yes, it is. But it has a standard MSRP above $100, and at any rate it has been consistently out-of-stock from every retailer since its release back in May, making it effectively unavailable for purchase.

SethNW • 4 years ago

Personally, I think one should also include or consider extra costs to the CPU, like you have to buy cooler with Intel k chips and Z series motherboards are more expensive than B450, which can be used for Ryzen 3000 without losing overclovking. That is why in my opinion Intel is not worth it. price and feature locking, like they are still on top and AND is far behind. And while yes, if money is not an issue, Intel is bit faster, even if lead is smaller and smaller, more statistical than practical. Not to mention that it also required like 2080 Super or 2080Ti at 1080p to be noticeable, which once you drop to 300USD, buyer is very unlikely to buy.

Just saying, nothing wrong with article, just in case it sound like I am implying that. Just saying about bigger picture.

Syra Nyx • 5 years ago

So I've been trying to slowly upgrade my PC in a piecemeal fashion when I start to see issues with performance and I'm starting to see new ones. My CPU usage has recently shot up to where games that normally take up about 20-30% usage are jumping over 50%. I do regularly play games online and that is the main taxing thing I do with my PC aside from very occasionally streaming for short periods. I assume my CPU is in need of an upgrade next but I don't know much about equivalencies in performance or really PC-particulars in general. I have an AMD FX(tm) 4300 Quad-Core on a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 motherboard. I at least know the motherboard has some bearing on CPU choice but don't know to what extent. My GPU is a GTX 1050Ti which gave me a marked improvement in performance in the past but I don't know if it's working above/below/whatever in comparison to the rest of the components. Thoughts?

Daniel • 5 years ago

Well, it's hard to give you very precise recommendations without knowing more about your gaming preferences: what kinds of games you play, what age of games you play, what resolution you play at, and what settings you play at.

But your CPU is almost certainly the biggest bottleneck if your system, as it is much weaker than your GPU. Now, judging by the age of that CPU, I would venture to say that you likely purchased it around the price of a modern Ryzen 5 option. So that would be my recommendation for where to look first: at options like the R5 2600X or the R5 3600. There are motherboards that are compatible with either of those choices (such as B450 MAX and X570 motherboards), but your current motherboard would not be compatible with any modern CPUs.

The real kicker that makes CPUs such a hassle to upgrade, though, is that they often require new motherboards and new RAM. Unfortunately, that's the situation you're in right now. Your current motherboard only supports DDR3 RAM. So to upgrade your CPU you'll need a new CPU, a compatible motherboard, and DDR4 RAM.

As for the graphics card, a GTX 1050 Ti is overpowered for your current CPU, yet a bit underpowered for the CPUs I've mentioned above. So you could certainly upgrade just the CPU, mobo, and RAM for now---and then only consider upgrading the GPU at some point in the future if that doesn't bring you enough of a performance boost relative to your expectations.

Jin • 5 years ago

Is there a need to always buy an aftermarket CPU cooler? Specifically for AMD Ryzen 5 3600x.

Daniel • 5 years ago

No, there is not always such a need. Aftermarket CPU Coolers make the most sense in certain situations: overclocking, high-intensity workloads like rendering, and/or for users that are especially concerned about noise and temperatures. The R5 3600X comes with a Wraith Spire stock cooler, which is a quite solid cooler and should suffice for most non-specialized/non-workstation PC builds.

Tatsurion 1017 • 5 years ago

This is my first time building a PC and i mainly wanted run R6 Siege and a few others that you cant get on Playstaion like rust, would this build give realistic expectations.

AMD Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core
MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB
Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB
NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case
SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W Fully Modular

Daniel • 5 years ago

A build with an R5 2400G for its CPU and iGPU would fall under the category of the 'Minimum' tier of our general build recommendation chart. As such, we would expect it to be capable of 60ish FPS in R6S and Rust at 1080p, provided you are willing to play at medium/low settings (or higher settings on a lower resolution). It is worth pointing out, however, that Rust may give you more trouble in this regard than R6S.

Hypersycos • 5 years ago

Is the 3900X meant to be listed as a runner up, or is that a mistake?

Daniel • 5 years ago

That's definitely a mistake! Thank you for pointing this out. I'll have it fixed as soon as possible.

David B • 6 years ago

I am building a set for Emulation and to run a couple of modern game as well, you advise in your guide for Emulation for Mid range budget a i5-8500 but I might have a budget to increase to a better CPU and I was looking in this section and I saw the i5 9600k and the i7 8700k how will these cpu perform on Emulation CPU based?

Daniel • 6 years ago

Those CPUs (the i5-9600K and the i7-8700K) would undoubtedly be excellent for emulation. As we say in the guide, the vast majority of emulators rely primarily on the speed of the first (and sometimes second) core of your CPU---and both of those CPUs have excellent single-core speeds. Just make sure, if you go with the i5-9600K, that you also select a compatible motherboard (example builds featuring the 9600K can be found in the main chart on our homepage).

David B • 6 years ago

So following your recommandation I went with this setup

CPU i5-9600K 3.7Ghz 6 Cores
Graphic Card MSI GeForce GTX 1660Ti 6Gb
Motherboard Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X
RAM Trident Z RGB 16Gb DDR4-3200
Storage 1 WD 1Tb 3.5'' 7200RPM
Storage 2 Samsung 860 EVO 500gb SSD
Power Supply EVGA Super Nova G2 750W 80+ Gold
CPU Cooler Dark Rock 4
Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX
Operating system Windows 10 Pro

Daniel • 6 years ago

I think you're going to be very pleased with the performance of that system in emulation (and in ordinary PC gaming, for that matter).

Duck Ling • 6 years ago

So I have a GTX 1660 Ti and was wondering which cpu I should get to take full advantage of the card. Any ideas?

Daniel • 6 years ago

A few balanced choices for the GTX 1660 Ti would include the R5 2600X, the i5-9600K, or an upcoming 3rd-generation Ryzen chip. Just be sure to also get a compatible motherboard for which one you choose.

Tactical Cactus • 6 years ago

all you really need is 8 gigs of ram but if your streaming 16 gigs is perfect, and by the way you should aim for 3000mhz ram or better it helpes with better speeds. ( I recommend you use pc part picker to find the parts u need because it goes from different retailers and finds the best price for the parts your looking for).

McDowell • 6 years ago

sorry hopefully this is the last question. Do I need 16gb ram or just need 8gb ram?

Daniel • 6 years ago

You can definitely get away with a GTX 1080 Ti and 8GB of RAM without taking a noticeable performance hit! (Just make sure the price of the 1080 Ti you're looking at makes sense, as their current scarcity has led their prices to be inflated. And we would still recommend dual channel for your situation, so if you get 8GB of RAM---try to get a set of two 4GB sticks instead of one 8GB stick.)

McDowell • 6 years ago

basically
View distance: Epic
Shadows: off
Anti aliasing: off
Textures: Epic
Effects: Low
Post processing: Low
I will be playing, Recording, Video editing, and Streaming at 1080p

Daniel • 6 years ago

Okay, for playing Fortnite at a mix of very high and very low settings, streaming while playing, and aiming for at least a consistent 240 FPS at 1080p, we would have to recommend a rather powerful PC---something like the 'Exceptional' tier of our general build recommendation chart. The 'Outstanding' tier might be able to hit your 240+ FPS goal some of the time at those settings, but almost certainly not while streaming.

McDowell • 6 years ago

Do I have to user the rtx 2080 or can I used the ttc 1080ti? And would I be okay with a one tb of storage ? One more question what is a ssd, what does it mean when people say "without moving parts"?

McDowell • 6 years ago

Hi I just want to play fortnite nothing else, above 240 fps and be able to video edit with adobe pro premiere, and wanted know what pc parts i need

McDowell • 6 years ago

I will be playing at steamer settings

McDowell • 6 years ago

I don't need anything overkill

Daniel • 6 years ago

We would be happy to help with this, but we'll need you to clarify a few things. When you say you'll be playing at streamer settings, does that mean low settings or high settings? Along the same lines, does that mean you'll be live streaming while you play? And finally, what resolution will you be playing at?

Briganthy • 6 years ago

Would it be a sound plan to OC a 2600 to be level with a 2600X, and pair it with an RTX2060?

Daniel • 6 years ago

Yes, it should! The resulting PC would be roughly comparable to the 'Great' tier of our general build recommendation chart.

Katman 19 • 6 years ago

Hi guys! I am interested in building my first gaming pc, and I preferably want it to be under or around $700. I want to be able to run a certain game, cities: skylines, at maybe 50-70fps for 1080p. My 2015 Macbook Air only does 2-5 fps. NO JOKE! I was looking around, and I want to use either the ryzen 2600x or the intel i5 9600k, and because I am new to to this, i dont know what else to do.
If you can, please share some suggestions on a good build with these ideas in mind. Thank you so much!

Daniel • 6 years ago

With a budget of $700, you would be able to build as high as the 'Good' tier of our general build recommendation chart (and you could get even closer to your budget by substituting in the R5 2600X, as you desired). And we would expect a build with an R5 2600X and an RX 570 to be capable of your desired frame rates in Cities: Skylines at 1080p with maximum in-game settings.

so i decided to change my CPU and motherboard..at the moment i have intel i5 6400 and MSI H110M PRO-D..my other components are NVIDIA GTX 1060 6 GB, 16 GB ddr4 2133, samsung SSD 860 EVO 250 GB..the thing is i decided to buy Ryzen 5 2600 and MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON..i need help choosing best CPU cooler for this components and im planning to overclock it not max but still..what CPU cooler can keep my CPU under 70°C and its like under 50€..or anything just comment me what Cooler is best for this components? BTW im streaming etc..could i stream 1080p 60 fps without Overclocking with this components?? thanks so much guys

Daniel • 6 years ago

For overclocking that chip, we would usually recommend either a Scythe Fuma or a Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4. And yes, we would expect a build with an R5 2600 and a GTX 1060 6GB to be capable of streaming Overwatch while staying above 60 FPS at 1080p with stock settings.

sorry that im so annoying but i have 1 more question..i noticed i have 350W PSU..what should i buy for this components till 50€?

Daniel • 6 years ago

At that build level (especially if overclocking is a possibility), we would recommend a 600 to 650 Watt supply like this one from SeaSonic.

thanks so much guys..you helped alot 👌👌

j • 6 years ago

is the 9600k stronger than the 2700x in terms of gaming? and would it be a good pair with the 1070 ti with minor bottlenecking?

Daniel • 6 years ago

That's a very close call, but the i5-9600K may be ever-slightly stronger than the R7 2700X in some gaming applications; at any rate, an i5-9600K would pair well with a GTX 1070 Ti (likely without noticeable bottlenecking).

Campag • 6 years ago

I'm interested why the i3-8100 isn't listed as an option for lower tier builds? The reason I'm interested in it is because I read your article on building a good emulation PC, and you said that single-core performance is important for emulation. And when I've checked benchmarks, the i3-8100 seems to be slightly better than comparable AMD chips like the 2200G.

I suppose if someone didn't plan on buying a graphics card then the 2200G is a better option, but since I probably will get something like a 1050 Ti so I can play the latest games on high settings, I'm thinking the i3-8100 would be a better CPU choice.

Thanks in advance if anyone reads my boring post and responds.

Daniel • 6 years ago

The tiers in the main chart (and by extension, the recommendations in this article and in the emulation article) factor in relative build budget. So if you take the 'minimum' tier of our main chart, for example, someone looking into building that tier would be a user that wants to build the best gaming PC possible for less than $375. Under that constraint, getting the R5 2400G for $160 and taking advantage of its Vega 11 iGPU makes more sense than getting the i3-8100 for $115 and trying to use the savings of $45 to somehow get a discrete GPU that outdoes the Vega 11 (that's certainly not enough to get your hands on a GTX 1050, which typically costs around $125 on its own). The same logic applies to the 'Poor' tier with the R3 2200G, and a budget of $300.

But setting that aside, a build with an i3-8100 and a GTX 1050 would make for a great and well-balanced gaming computer, roughly comparable to the power of the 'Modest' tier of our main chart. Just make sure you get a compatible motherboard for that Intel CPU.

karl • 6 years ago

hi, i hope you can give me recomendation, right now my gaming pc is i5 3570 and gtx 1060, im playing at 1366*768, and im fine with that, i dont have any intention at the moment to change my old monitor, and mostly all of the games i played run smoothly with this combo at 60 fps, because i turn the vsync, without vsync my monitor tear so much, now my question is, when i play games like shadow/rise of tomb rider, gta V, i can play it smoothly @60 fps, but sometimes when it enter crowded area it drop, and cpu usage go to 100% while my gpu usage drop to 50%, it still playable because it drop only to 40-47 fps, and very very rarely drop to 30 fps, i want to upgrade my cpu so it wont bottleneck my gpu, and still gonna play @1366*768, so do you have any recomendation for cheap cpu that wont bottleneck my gtx 1060, in my head i want to go between r5 2600 for amd or i3 8100/i5 8400, if you have any cpu recomendation that cheaper than that im maybe gonna buy that cpu. or should i wait for next gen proc ? im considering g5400 but when i see youtube pair with gtx 1060 the cpu always hit 100% while gpu only 80-90%.

Daniel • 6 years ago

Typically, to go with a GTX 1060, we would recommend something like an R5 2600 or 2600X. But if you're not in any hurry to upgrade, then you may want to wait for the Zen 2 chips (just announced) and the i5-9400 to release, to see if they any of them appeal to you as options or if any of them (at least) bring about price drops to earlier chips like the 2600.

karl • 6 years ago

wow thank you very much. for your answer.