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David Chura • 5 years ago

When you said Yeshua is not coming back to Israel you are correct, An the phrase said in the clouds of heaven also has a hidden meaning,
It stands for the people of understanding
where clouds means an educated people, those above the average who look up,
Heaven is declared as an understanding,
All of which I said is found in the bible
You are the first person that I know of who knows the truth. especially if you follow my last statement.
I would like to know what group you are with. Very interesting.
The bible says his feet will stand on the mount of olives, But that is also not true, It means his origin was an will stand from the mount of olives,

maria • 5 years ago

The Lord will NOT be seen by any others than those who walks in (extreme) close relationship with Him and by that have, by obedience to the Holy Spirit and a totally dying from the own will for to do the Father's Will, caused a transformation of their mind to 'be' the mind of Christ.
That is why Jesus says 'do not follow them nor believe them when they say there He is', because only the pure in heart will see God! He will NOT come as a visible physical person but inside the Spirit of all (=the few who walks the narrow path) the obedient believers and He will arise IN THEM at the sound of the last trumpet.

What IS then the 'trumpet' and the 'sound' of it???
The trumpet (the auditory tube) is inside the human ear where God whispers and the believer then 'blows' the sound of God's word out through the mouth=trumpet sound) and when God has spoken to all those obedient believers who hear and obey Him and they in turn have spoke out His Word in those places and congregations to which He has sent them then His work is finished.
One of all those who now hear God or who in the very near future will hear Him is the one who shall be the 'last trumpet', the last one who will 'sound' what the Father says and then the 'Body of Christ' is complete(the whole body has grown up to the head) and will arise with Him who is the head. That is why only the Father knows the day and the hour of this because He is the only one who knows who will be the last one to speak His 'final' Words.
God only speaks to His own obedient people not to those outside and therefore is the only way to hear 'the trumpet' either directly from the Father in the own ear or through another person who speaks (only) what he or she hear the Father say. "My sheep hear My voice".

Not everyone will of course recognize the Father's voice, but everyone will despite that hear the words be spoken independent of how they will respond to it. Those who will 'hear and recognize' the voice are those who Jesus describes as 'ready' and 'His sheeps' and are those who will enter the door when He opens it (this will be a quick work) but those who will not recognize or will resist the Father's voice are those who in the same way as the ten virgins are not ready (no one of the ten virgins did see the Lord because none of them were ready nor did they have the true oil in their lamps, their 'knowledge of the Lord' were therefore not from the Holy Spirit, but rather from human traditional teaching about the Lord) and the door was closed before them.

Can one see God through a closed door? Only the foolish and not pure in heart will believe that they will be able to see God despite that He has told them in His own Word that He will be behind a closed door with only those who are ready and those who are pure in heart. Again, no one will therefore be able to point and say' look there He is! Those who will mourn Him are therefore not those who will recognize Him even if He so to speak will-through His obedient servants- stand right in front of them, exactly the same way as the Lord can speak to someone through someone today and the listener will still not recognize the voice of the Father.

The verse which speaks of that the Lord will come in the 'clouds' does not refer to a 'weather' cloud but to the 'fallen ones' The obedient believers are the fallen ones who shall be raised up with Him at the sound of the last trumpet. The greek word for cloud is nephele or nephos which is the same as 'nephilim' in Gen.6, the fallen ones - the same great cloud (nephos) of witnesses which is spoken of in Hebr. 12:1 which are we.
Jesus describes the 'coming' not from above to the ground as from a vertical view but as a horizontal view, from east to the west and He also describes it as a 'lightning' the same way as someone presses a button and the light suddenly shine in the whole house.

The horizontal view of His coming (or rather spiritual appearance) is also described in Acts 1:11 where they say that it is meaningsless to look UP to the sky because He will NOT come from above.
They clearly say that He will come IN THE SAME MANNER as He left, and HOW did he left? Jesus left from below, from the lowest status on earth that any human can be namely through the dying from self for to do the Father's Will. If one now understand why one must die from the own self will in ALL parts of one's life for to reach that point when one without exceptions and no matter circumstances obey ONLY the Father's voice and no man's voice maybe one now can understand why the Lord only will be visible to those who are pure in heart? They also say that Jesus is taken up 'from you' not from the earth in general which means that He will 'come' in the same manner - in or 'from' yourself.
"why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO into heaven. Acts 1:11

"as the lightning cometh out of the east (from one part of the Body of Christ), and shineth even unto the west (to the other part of the Body of Christ) so shall also the coming of the Son of man be Matth.24:25

"we (WE!) shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead (those who has died from self) shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed 1Cor.15:51-52

"Blessed are the pure in heart: for (ONLY!) they shall see God Matth.5:8

Now someone certainly will ask why the Bible says that He will stand with His feet on the mount of Olives, if that is not the sign of that He anyway will be visible as a physical person?
The parable of a mountain is many (living human) stones gathered together which will be a huge (spiritual) mountain. The olive represents something that has gone through such hard pressure that only the pure oil has developed from it which represents the spiritual anointing in the obedient believers who faithfully have gone through those tests and trials which the Lord has lead them through during the years with Him (or weeks/months because some will surely come quickly into perfect obedience to the Lord in this last hour).
Take notice of that He will stand with His feet, which are the obedient servants, on 'the mount'. His head will therefore not be seen, only the 'feet' which are a part of the body and because the Body are made of many believers one can not discern 'one' Jesus and say 'look there He is!'.

His face will only be seen when the obedient servant that day will look in the mirror and instead of seeing himself/herself he/she will see the face of the Lord in himself/herself in the mirror!
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
WHAT WE SHALL BE but we know that, when He shall appear WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM for we shall see him as He is (inside of us).
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself (so he can be pure in heart and see God), even as He is pure 1John 3:2-3
"For now we see through a glass (mirror), darkly but then face to face (in the mirror) 1Cor.13:12
"My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face (in the mirror) 2Chron.7:14
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness Gen.1:26
"the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ Eph.3:9

It is heartbreaking to see and read about all those who waits for the coming of the Lord but don't understand what Jesus says . There are no other words but heartbreaking because I know that the time is very short and that the sound of the last trumpet very well can sound or sounded right now or will sound tomorrow in another part of the world and the majority will never hear it nor will they hear the voice of the Lord say to them 'depart from Me I never knew you' because only those who hear God right now will hear Him at that day.

In the Lord/maria

David Chura • 5 years ago

Sorry the bible says every eye will see him !
Read what I said above

maria • 5 years ago

"how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself (only) unto us, and NOT unto the world? John 14:22

"the Spirit of truth (Jesus is the way the truth and the life) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not (see him not now and not at that day), John 14:17

"the world seeth me NO more but ye (who are pure in heart will) see me John 14:19

" (only) he that loveth Me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love (only) him, and will manifest myself (ONLY) to him John 14:21

"Blessed are (all) the pure in heart for (only) they shall see God Matth.5:8