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Calling J street and ADL Jews is an insult to real Jews who care about Am Israel. Bravo beloved President Donald Trump for having the fortitude to say openly what anti- Semites knowingly will distort into the usual anti- Semitic Tropes, (dual loyalty). Democrats of course ignore their real dual loyalty that includes enemies of the USA such as any Islamic terror gang they support with their support of their always in the news beloved anti- Semitic Democratic party quartet of "despicables." (A word Democrats created.)
I agree-J Street, Peace Now, Alternate Jewish Voices, Jewish Voices for Peace, Naturei Karta and their like are traitors as far as I am concerned. They are all anti zionists hate Israel and support the palesinians and the bds movement. So I wouldnt even consider these groups to be jews-maybe in name only-but certainly not to be listened to about anything important that concerns judaism or Israel. They dont realize that in Hitlers world they would still be gassed as jews. Donald Trump, for all his narcissism truly has been the best president of the united states for the good of Israel. Unlike Barak obama, who was an enemy of jews and did anything he could to show his disdain of Israel and Bibi. He was only too happy to give millions and millions of dollars to UNRWA, an organization that produced school books preaching hate for jews and is currently under investigation. as well as send planeloads of money to the mullahs in Iran. Obama will go down in history as perhaps the worst president, after the anti-semitic Jimmy Carter. I am appreciative of having such a supporstive president as Donald Trump
I totally agree
Actually, President Trump, blessed be his name, is the 3rd best Presidential friend of the Jews. The great George Washington and Harry Truman, blessed be their memories, are first and second.
President Trump is the only President thus far whose own flesh-and-blood (daughter and grandchildren) are Jewish.
I don't know why Trump's name should be blessed, but George Washington was probably the greatest friend of the Jews, and many others are up there (Lincoln, for one), but I suppose these comparisons are only being made post-1948. So there's Truman. Others have mentioned Johnson and Nixon. I think the main point is that anybody who thinks he is antisemitic is insane.
I strongly suggest that you try opening your mind by finding out why Trump should be blessed. I will start you out, but there is much more. Trump supports Israel in every way he can. He moved the US Embassy to Jeruselum, He boosts Bibi, he loves Jews and his daughter are family are Jewish. Please research yourself. You will find much more.
Blessed be his name is usually reserved for God.
I did not say "Blessed Be His Name" anywhere in my answer. We should all be blessed. I certainly have , by God in many ways. Both Jews and gentiles say "Bless you" or "God bless you" Trump has been a blessing to Americans and the USA and he will continue to be so for the next five years plus!
Alan prival did to whom i was responding. Im not sure how you came in.
I thought your Jewishness came through the mother. Ivanka is not Jewish. She is too the family liberal, so maybe she IS Jewish. And is pushing Red Flag gun laws.
Ivanka Trump Kushner was converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi and lives a Modern Orthodox life-style. That makes her and her children fully Jewish according to the laws of Halacha.
Agreed !! Thank you Rachele. Shalom
Shabbat shalom u-vracha.
Ivanka is definitely Jewish but she and Jared do not live an orthodox lifestyle today.
Not knowing them personally, I can only rely upon what I have read in the media. According to published accounts, they live a 'Modern Orthodox' life-style.
Perhaps -- but not in the minds of all other Jews. She is a little poseur.
From your comments, I understand that you do not accept the validity of conversion - Orthodox or otherwise. Fortunately, Jewish religious law (Halacha) does not agree with you. You have no authority to speak for 'all other Jews'.
Wavey Davey, in the mind of those who comprehend Halacha, she is 100%, Jewish there is no doubt about it
Their childrens' father is Jewish, and mother Ivanka has converted. What's your problem with that?
Who said you could speak for "all other Jews"? You don't.
How do you know he is Jewish.Wavey doesn't sound Jewish.
I don't. That's why the phrase he wrote is in quotes.
In your mind maybe. According to the Law, she is Jewish.
The Jews who disavow her are either the extremists of the Charedi community for whom no convert can ever be 'properly Jewish' or reform/liberal Jews and their supporters - sadly the majority of American Jews - who set such a low standards for conversion. Which category do you come into, Davey Wavey?
Charedim accept converts, too.
Israel would accept her conversion, which means the kharedim would as well. How she lived her life after conversion is a little less relevant unless it sheds light on her mindset when she converted--that is you can convert and be Jewish and then go away but still be Jewish. There are groups like the Syrians who don't (and I have heard in Argentina--presumably because of false converts), but most everyone else does. And they recognize that everybody else recognizes converts, just won't marry them themselves. Or anybody else practically. :)
How can you speak for "all other Jews"? YOu certainly do NOT speak for me nor any Jew who is a conservative/Republican/Trump supporter and there are many of us. More and more as time goes on and the minds and eyes of the people open to what is happening to our country.
I am a liberal Democrat and an American Jew. I hate Donald Trump. But calling Ivanka not Jewish is also anti-Semitic!
you're pathetic, charlie. Still dishing out the Jew-hating Democrat party slop I see.
Based on what facts do you "hate Donald Trump". Remember, I stipulated "FACTS" not the propaganda liberals are being fed.
You hate Trump, America, whites, Christians . . . not Muslims, though.
If she has been converted by an Orthodox Rabbi she is 100% Jewish.You are correct that an individual born of a Jewish mother is Jewish, but those who convert willingly by acceptable sources are also Jewish,
Before people started munging the language, a Jew was a descendant of Judah. And all the hocus pocus magic in the world cannot make you descendant of Judah.
Furthermore lineage is not passed on by the mother, a novel idea that arose in 200 BCE, but throughout the Tanakh was always passed on patrilineally. And the reason for that has been revealed in modern genetic science: the pure genetic lineage is only contained in the Y Chromosome, which is possessed only by the male.
Remember King David? He is the descendant of Boaz, whose wife Ruth Moabite, and his mother, the Canaanite harlot Rahab!
Im sure you know that youre making up the 200 bce nonsense. In the time of ezra it clearly wasn't patrilineal or he wouldn't have forced the jews to give up their wives.
Every people in the world has a means of joining the people. We are no different.
And the jew young is just stupid. It's an English word to describe someone who is part of the people of Israel, whether levite, benjamite, simonite, convert or other.
>>"Im sure you know that youre making up the 200 bce nonsense."
That's merely a matter of historical record; the way I learned it anyway.
The matrilineal idea came up in 200 BCE during Roman occupation. Romans raping Jewish women was so commonplace, that no one could be sure who the father was.
Torah was alway patrilineage, as well as the Jewish writer of the Gospel of Matthew. Mathew presents typical Jewish genealogy when presenting the lineage of Jesus, who was also Jewish. Matthew presents 42 generations back to Abraham, and only the male line was mentioned; no females.
Matthew's genealogy was obviously obtained from the Temple records where such legal information was stored.
You mentioned Ezra, and indeed the intermarrying thing was a total mess. But you know, it ch. 2, Ezra records the genealogy of the Levites, and a number of them were excluded from the priesthood because they could not produce legal documentation of their patrilineage.
The debate rages to this day, and neither what you believe, nor what I believe will make much difference to the controversy. No matter what you believe, will not change what I believe or vice versa. You will enjoy believing what you believe and I will enjoy believing what I believe.
That's a pretty obstinate statement if you actually mean it. I mean I supposed what I "believe" shorn of fact shouldn't affect much, but my "belief" and most folks' beliefs, have kernels of fact that should be able to impact you. Why did this class you took that taught you patently false things affect your "beliefs"? Here's to hoping you didn't mean what it sounded like you said.
First, our premises. I admit that I have a bias that unless our tradition states to the contrary, these hoary laws and traditions of ours do trace back to Moses. However I understand why others wouldn't have that bias and am able to see Jewish tradition through the skeptics' eyes. So let's grant that at some point between Moses and the 1st Century BCE there was some change. I don't think that's true, there's no evidence for it, but let's pretend it's true. Now let's examine your ridiculous statement (which I now understand you were "taught").
First, who the heck picked 200 BCE out of a hat and why? I mean we have the entire time from Moses to the Roman arrival for the wily sages to change the Law and pretend that it's always been that way. Why pick a time when the Jews are settled in their own land with their own government? We'll get to the Roman rape idea in a minute, but just taking this at its own value--is this the first time that Jews were raped? The Jews were exiled from their country en masse a few hundred years earlier. Why not pick then? I mean seriously, these clowns just randomly picked 200 BCE.
Okay now to Roman rape, The Romans first arrived in Israel in when Aristobulus bribed them to lift the Nabatean siege of Jerusalem in 63 BCE (in turn requested by his brother Hyrcanus who was vying for the throne. Pompey's men did enter the city and perhaps that would have been the first opportunity for Roman rape. But things calmed down. That certainly wasn't the first time the Jews had been attacked in war. And it was almost 150 years after your date. Of course they want to move the date back because it would be preposterous for people to be teaching about matrilineal descent 100 years later and claiming it went back to Moses when it was only 100 years old.
But in 200 BCE the Roman Republic had just defeated Carthage and gained its North African foothold. It had not even reached as far east as Greece. The Jews, for their part were under peaceful Greek rule, 25 years before Antiochus IV Epiphanes even began his rule.
Tribal affiliation, etc., was always patrilineal, and the purpose of the Gospels was to show that J was from the Davidic line. Joseph wasn't even J's father so Matthew's lineage is kind of silly. Mary's lineage is traced in Luke. But that whole thing is a mess and cant be used to show anything. Not to mention that even your teachers would agree that the Jews had been using matrilineal descent for membership in the Jewish people for over 250 years at that point.
As a side note, there is an opinion in Jewish law that both parents must be Jewish, but that is not a majority opinion obviously.
Dear KC... A Gentile that converts to Judaism is considered a Jew. Also known as a "Proselyte" . Shalom
IVANKA TRUMP MARRIED A JEW. THAT DOES NOT MAKE HER JEWISH BUT PERHAPS SHE HAS IMBRACED THE JEWISH RELIGION AND IS RAISING HER CHILDREN IN THE JEWISH TRADITION.
Not perhaps. She had a good kosher orthodox conversion. She's fully Jewish. Even if she God forbid goes back to christianity.
I know lots of Christian Jews. Your beliefs do not change your lineage.
It's okay to be wrong. That's what liberty is all about
That's what lineage is all about.
Lyndon Johnson was clearly the best friend to Israel of any US President. Kennedy was probably second. Eisenhower was clearly the worst and Ford was second worst.
Barack Obama has a Jewish half brother.
Franklin Roosevelt has Jewish great grandchildren. While he was President his anti-Semitic political opponents accused him of having Jewish ancestors on both his mother's and father's side. There is no real evidence for that but he did not take it as an insult.
Thomas Jefferson has living Jewish relatives. I am one of them. I am not, however, a direct descendant.
Given that every US President other than Martin Van Buren is a direct descendant of King John Plantagenet, and that Van Buren shares Dutch ancestors with the Rooosevelts, every US President has multiple Jewish relatives.
They had a funny way of showing it. The fact is that they hid it. At least Trump has the batzeem to do what he believes and not hide it out of fear that someone might not like it. Thats what a real leader does. BTW, Roosevelt turned a shipload of Jews fleeing Hitler back to Germany. It’s what a person does that defines him, not what he says.
Well then, let's see what Trump has done: Given tax breaks to his friends (not you), set up concentration camps at the border, insulted several allies (and did another just today.) Grabs women by the short hairs and is proud of it. Infidelity X2 at the same time!! Encourages White Supremacists...And stupid? Unbelievable! 80 word vocabulary. Racist. Rich guys don't want to pay for social security or medicare...I guess we'll just have to take it from them. So, yes he is what he has done.
I see your talking points are taken from that well-known scholar and economist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. These so-called concentration camps were actually established under the Obama administration. As for insulting allies, Mr. Trump would have a hard time competing with Obama on that score. One of Obama's first acts as president was a tour of apology to the Middle East. In Egypt, he spurned Hosni Mubarak's invitation to address parliament, instead choosing to speak at Cairo University. Aware the Muslim Brotherhood was illegal in Egypt, he demanded they be present at his speech - a direct slap in the face of Mubarak, a loyal ally of some 30 years. This directly led to the overthrow of Mubarak (forced by Obama), the 'election' of Morsi and his attempted overthrow of the secular state. This, of course, led to a popular revolution, which ousted the Brotherhood and installed Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. Needless to say, al-Sisi has found it prudent not to trust the U.S. and has allowed Russia to establish a naval base at Alexandria. (This, after Egypt had expelled the USSR some 30 years prior!) The so-called Arab Spring (Winter!) can also be directly traced back to Obama's policy, as can the Syrian civil war - which has killed and displaced millions, and which we have yet to see the end. The migrant invasion of Europe is another direct consequence of Obama's Middle East blunders.We also have yet to see the full extent of the damage Obama's Iran policy has caused. His pressure on European allies - and pallets of American cash - have brought Iran closer to nuclear capability than they ever dared dream.There is so much more, it would take a book to tell even half. You (obviously) have no idea.
Thanks, Rachele, but the truth is wasted on bigots like Davey Wavey and Nichus Block who lack the capacity to understand anything other than the anti-Trump / anti-Israel propaganda which flows from the Democrats.
The Arab Spring & Syrian Civil War: When the Civil War started, I told a friend that its purpose was to flood the world with Muslim "refugees."
Obama is a Muslim Globalist. What he did is part of the Kalergi Plan, UN's New Deal, Green New Deal, Sustainable Development, Agenda 21, 2030 Agenda, White Genocide, the Great Replacement. Islam is the only "religion" that can be counted on to cull populations & control the survivors. Replace the two * with . for link to work:
So far Trump has insulted at least Canada, U.K., Germany, Denmark, South Korea, Mexico and France (he likes their military parades, however), while he seems to be quite supportive of countries led by strong men such as Philippines, Russia, China (not withstanding the trade war), North Korea and Brazil. If Maduro wasn't a communist, the U.S. would probably be on the side of Venezuela as well. Obama may have had his faults, but to believe that Trump is the "chosen" is just speaks to a very blinkered view of reality.