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JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Is there any other word that's ok for some people to say but not others?

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Yes - pretty much every identity based insult gets co-opted by some members of the group it targets as a way of pushing back and taking out some of the sting.

Trump supporters understood Clinton when she called many of them "deplorables". Many felt genuinely disrespected and direct fury at her. They said "I am not deplorable just because I have different views".

Many others just defused the word by claiming it for themselves.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Feel free to answer the question.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

How can you fail to grasp what I just said?

It is OK for you to call yourself "a deplorable". It is OK for you to call a fellow Trump supporter a deplorable if he has implicitly given you permission.

Some Trump supporters will tell you "I know we both support Trump but I am not a deplorable." If you have any manners, you will apologize and not call him "a deplorable" again.

If I were to call you "a deplorable" you would be justified in taking offense. I would not consider it "OK" to call someone "a deplorable" unless I intended to be deeply insulting and was willing to accept the consequences of insulting that person.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

The word deplorable is used by all races, sexes, and people from all political parties. You still seem unable to answer the question.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

There is no MeAnd23 test result that defines who can and who cannot use the N-word.

A chapter in a high school American History text should probably avoid it. A scholarly historian writing about the history of Jim Crow can hardly avoid referencing it in quotations or in descriptions of things people at the time actually said.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Whites use the N-word and lose their job. Blacks use the N-word and sell records or get a show on MSNBC.

“David Dinkins, you wanna be the only N-word on television, only N-word in the newspaper, only N-word that can talk. Don’t cover them, don’t talk to them, ’cause you got the only N-word problem. ‘Cause you know if a black man stood up next to you, they would see you for the W-word that you really are.”
- Al Sharpton

RickLogic • 4 years ago

BTW - someone who called co-workers or customers "deplorables" in a professional workplace would also get counseled and warned that continuing could cost him the job.

Even on the roofing crew, he might get counseled or fired if he was creating friction that threatened productivity.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

BS

RickLogic • 4 years ago

If you have a job, it is for one reason, your presence adds more dollars worth of marketable output than it costs to have you around.

Become an impediment to productive collaboration and you may be on your way out the door.

Do you have some kind of job where your employer is not allowed to consider whether you contribute value more than you cost?

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Whites who work with other white guys filling pot holes or stapling down roofing get away with using the word all day.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Citation needed.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

I picked examples that tend to be small teams who learn what their team mates consider acceptable. I have been on such teams.

I am curious what sort of work environment you are personally familiar with.

Orange_of_Specious • 4 years ago

The only difference between this scam U and tRUmp University is...is...oh, yes. Prager hasn't been fined for the fraud yet.

Guest • 4 years ago
enterprise7 • 4 years ago

You forgot the alt-right

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Many blacks use the N word but apparently it’s only offensive when a white person uses it.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Are you really not smart enough to grasp that the insult is in the perceived intent, not in a particular word?

You may address your brother as "idiot" if you have a teasing relationship. That does not mean either you or your brother will be OK with me addressing him as "idiot".

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

So if I write "my N-word coworker is a nice guy" you'd be cool with that?

RickLogic • 4 years ago

If I said "At least your idiot brother is cheerful most of the time." would I be guaranteed a pass from you?

danielsangeo • 4 years ago

You understand that the word is used differently in different contexts. Y'all just mad that you can't use it in a different context than those "blacks".

Roddy • 4 years ago

If you identify as black like Rachel Dolezol or Shaun King is it morally acceptable?

danielsangeo • 4 years ago

Do you not understand what the word "context" means? Seriously? Seriously seriously?

Roddy • 4 years ago

Yes I do..but I fail to understand your point.

If it's socially acceptable for black people to use the term...if you identify as black although are biologically white I'm asking you if you believe it would be morally acceptable or not
to use the term.

On a side note, I don't know if you buy into all the 'transgender' nonsense

But can the race you identify with(edit:as) be different than the biological reality of your race?.

i.e can a biologically white person claim to be 'trans-black'..because they claim they are ..and would you recognize them as black if they
requested you do?

RickLogic • 4 years ago

What does "biologically white" mean?

danielsangeo • 4 years ago

I know you're desperate to change the subject, but I'm sticking to it. The context is important. One is a term fraught with discrimination and hate. The other is a term of endearment.

Think of it this way: I can call my brother an idiot, but don't YOU call him an idiot, since we're using the term differently.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Wut up my nagger.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Screwing with the spelling does not give you a guaranteed pass.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

People who annoy you = n*ggers

(naggers)

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Thanks for presenting the first line.

It is a very the clear indication that your intent was a thinly disguised race based insult.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Is this also a thinly disguised raced based insult?
https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

RickLogic • 4 years ago

I scrolled through the older posts and found where Sir Aloha first introduced it.

Given that you had just seen the gif minutes before, I am willing to allow the possibility that you simply had not considered that the quip might not be understood the same way by someone who had not seen the entire conversation.

I apologize.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

I am not familiar with the TV episode but my bet is that it was an insult directed at closet racist hairsplitters and excuse makers who think they are disguising their intent.

I have no information about the context in which Sir Aloha decided to post the gif.

Max147 • 4 years ago

What's holding you back? It isn't illegal.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Why are you nagging me.

Max147 • 4 years ago

I've asked two questions over a number of hours about your whining.
You have not had the nads to answer either.

JoseM4 • 4 years ago

Al Sharpton used the N word multiple times and was rewarded with his own show on MSNBC.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Anybody know the current status of attempts to circulate cleaned up versions of Huck Finn?

JeB • 4 years ago

"cleaned up version"

You can't wash that off.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Can't wash what off?

JeB • 4 years ago

Huck Finn

RickLogic • 4 years ago

You are not making any sense.

JeB • 4 years ago

"cleaned up versions of Huck Finn"

Is context a foreign concept for you?

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Are you someone who thinks that the book should just be burned and forgotten?

JeB • 4 years ago

No.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

OK -

Another thought comes to mind. Is it your point that the book is an accurate depiction of the place and time which should be presented to young people exactly as Mark Twain wrote it and discussed in the context of how he intended the books audience to be affected?

JeB • 4 years ago

It is just a book. I don't assign any great importance to it, but if it is to be billed as a book by Mark Twain, it should be his work, not an adaptation by someone else.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

It is a book that had been part of nearly every public school curriculum for many decades. A controversy erupted that divided parents and educators into at least 5 camps.

1) Remove it from public schools so kids don't need to to be reminded of the N-word

2) "Clean up" the text to replace the N-word with something else

3) Pretend it is better to use some typographic hack so every kid knows every instance the word appeared but is spared "seeing it".

4) Have kids read the book exactly as Twain wrote it and train teachers to address Twain's use of the word in the context of the setting and of the messages he intended for his readers.

5) Have kids read the book as written and talk about anything except the N-word in class. Tell kids to ask their parents about the N-word.

I am not aware of anyone insisting Barnes and Noble should be prohibited from selling the original

JeB • 4 years ago

1) It is just a word. Some people just want to whine.
2) The book is already written. Feel free to ask Mark Twain if he'll change his words.
3) Has "seeing it" caused anyone to burst into flames?
4) Training teachers to address... presumes that your interpretation of Twain's intentions is better than the teacher's. That is suspicious.
5) Talk about it. Say the word even. There is no reason to fear language.

RickLogic • 4 years ago

Your entire post is shown to be irrelevant nonsense by the fact that the battles over teaching Huck Finn in public schools were real, hard fought and passionate.

Parents and teachers by the thousands "burst into flames" over what to do about the book and the language in it.

Whether you consider it "suspicious" or not, teachers are there to guide students in interpreting what they see and read.