I read your previous posts as well and think that two reasons for the Cult of Trump is that we reaping the results of almost 40 years of hearing the GOP mantra "Government is the problem", coupled with the demise of the FCC fairness doctrine in 1987 which has helped create the media bubble both progressives and conservatives tend to live in.
As much as I'm distressed about the current state of US politics, it has prompted me to study neuro-linguistics and psychology. What I would like to read are practical tips for "getting through" to the folks on the other side.

The people on the "other side" who elected and are the core supporters of this rolling catastrophe are the "every word of this Bible is true" crowd. There is no "getting through" to them. You (we) have to outvote them.

If only "every word of this Bible is true" crowd were the ones who voted for Trump he would not be President. You are not going to out vote us, he will get another term. Get used to it, he will win another term.

Here is something from your own side which explains why your prediction is no slam-dunk. The working class Trump supporters were really played for fools with the tax cuts, the deregulation, the tariffs to raise retail prices, and future guest workers. They may have figured it out by 2020.

https://www.nationalreview....

As for the white evangelicals who swung the last election with their 81% Trump support, they (you too?) are now a Trump Cult and CAN be outvoted. There are other people who believe more in truth and fairness than they believe in the Tower of Babel and related Biblical falsehoods.

I have read some of this somewhere recently, but cannot recall them off the top of my head. Something about being non-confrontational, and asking questions instead of making statements. As you let them speak of their own actual issues, and exibit good listening skills, they begin to pull the real issues in their hearts or minds away from the emotional conflict within their gut. That's the idea, anyway. Hope this helped.

Thanks. That sounds good.

RICK SHENKMAN RESPONDS

Another HNN blogger has a series of great suggestions, the most important of which is, if you are arguing with someone, to establish shared goals. See here: https://historynewsnetwork....

As I understand it, the White House is hereinafter to be referred to as the Tяump Cult Compound...

This is somehow an article? It is stupid. Insane. Here's the whole of it: grab some crazy story about humans in relatively modern times (and there are plenty!) and say it applies to Trump. Wow.

That's not rational. To be rational there would have to have been some development of the parallels. There wasn't.

How do you feel about the fact that they have found a strong correlation between those who voted for Trump and the level of opioid addiction? They have used every possible connection, and the only one that actually fits is opioid addiction, which doesn't even take into account the levels of heroin use in those areas where people can't get the painkillers they are dependent upon?

Who are "they"? It's always good to name the actual real people, fellow humans, who did this (or these) studies. More so the names of the actual people who did the field research, than the name or pub of the study.

I am a Trump supporter and voter not a cultist. I became a Trump supporter because, like him, I believe that we had let America slide way to far down into the Globalist's dream. He did not tell me about the spread of the U.N.'s Agenda 21 Sustained Development, I saw it myself. I already believed that Global Warming was a hoax being perpetrated to generate taxes to give to the rest of the world and control our energy choices. I was not at all happy with Obama's "Fundamental Changes" being one of that that believed in the Bible and the 2nd Amendment.

In my 75 years as an American Trump is the first politician that actually went to work keeping the promises he made while running for office. If it makes you feel better to call me a cultist go right ahead, you are still going to be stuck with Trump for another six and a half years.

When all og Obama's supporters were calling him the Messiah did you put them in the category of cultist?

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Trump and accomplished more of what he said he would do as President in my lifetime.

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"...being one of that that believed in the Bible...", which is the core belief of any Cult. Thanks for confirming the article's main premise.

You are as sick as the author if you believe that, a cult is not built up around the Bible, rather is is built around a personality.

Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religious millenarian cult and had nothing to do with the Bible.

918 Americans died in Peoples Temple-related incidents, including 909 members of the Temple, led by Jim Jones, in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones was a Communist, not a Christian.

Joseph Di Mambro Solar Temple cult was not based upon the Bible rather upon upon the ideals of the Knights Templar they said.

When on March 26, 1997, 39 followers of Heaven's Gate died in a mass suicide in Rancho Santa Fe, California, which borders San Diego to the north. These people believed, according to the teachings of their cult, that through their suicides they were "exiting their human vessels" so that their souls could go on a journey aboard a spaceship they believed to be following comet Hale-Bopp it had nothing to do with the Bible.

I suggest that you get educated on just what cult is before you start spouting off. Members of the Catholic and Protestants Churches are not cultist as they follow doctoring not personalities. The people in America who support Trump are no more cultist then the people who supported Hillary. Although Hillary supporter come much closer to the definition than do Trump supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Of course, a cult is built around personality, as Christian cult is build around legendary personality of Jesus Christ... Take away, Jesus Christ story and Christian faith would not exist as an independent religion; it would remain Judaism, no more no less.
Thus, Christian faith, in general, is a Cult.
Secondly, you claim: "Jim Jones was a Communist, not a Christian. It's half crude distortion, half a lie.
From Wikipedia:
"James Warren Jones (May 13, 1931 – November 18, 1978) was an American religious cult leader who initiated and was responsible for a mass suicide and mass murder in Jonestown, Guyana. He considered Jesus Christ as being in compliance with an overarching belief in socialism as the correct social order.[1][2] Jones was ordained as a Disciples of Christ pastor, and he achieved notoriety as the founder and leader of the Peoples Temple cult."
That why U're the one who is sick and deranged liar, like cultivated by the ones like yourself US president...

From reading this respond I must confess that you are so locked into your POV that any time I spent correcting your distortion would be a a wasted effort, so I will leave it at that. Think of us Trump supporters as you will, but you will, nevertheless, have Trump to deal with for another six and a half years, and his V.P. after that, so get used to crying you have a long cry ahead of you.

I'm not happy with my intellectual and factual victory over U, 'course I have beaten to the ground many dishonest ideologues that way on HNN site and beyond, so this a casual event to me...

You have no victory over me other in your mind, and further comments will be to yourself as I will no longer respond. Enjoy your delusion, and try and explain to yourself just why Trump will win another term if you are so right.

First, any unbiased witness of our exchange will tell U that I did win by rebutting your distortions and lies with undeniable facts and iron-clad logic, and not just because you believe in supernatural creatures and things, while purporting to judge on purely earthly matters.
Second, I never suggested that Trump will or won't win another term, the issue that has little, if anything, to do with our argument.
BTW, your repeated attempts to switch our debate to completely different issue is one more indication that U lost the initial argument.
Bye, loser.

Be that as it may, Trump will still win a second term regardless if you think I am a looser or not.

Illiteracy is also a trait of Trump cultists.

As per your statement, "Trump and accomplished more of what he said he would do as President in my lifetime." Since the only way to make this statement intelligently would be to compile a list of all of his promises and compare that against his accomplishments, then do that same for the other 10 or so Presidents of your lifetime, I would be very eager to see your analysis. Would you be so kind as to forward?

That is there for even the most causal observer to see, if you are to blind to see it I will gladly leave you in your ignorance. As a horse trainer I know full well that I can take a horse to water but cannot make it drink. I do not have to justify my observations, I just report them as I see it. Take it or leave it. You will be putting up with Trump for another 6 1/2 years.

There is nothing I could say to change your mind so why should I take the time?

As you can see, I did not attack you, but merely asked for the evidence underpinning your assertion. Asking people to produce evdience to support their assertions is a useful tool to expose who has truly thought about their assertions and who is just in an emotional state of frenzy.

If you feel comfortable in relying completely on your unfounded beliefs while ignoring empirical facts, then you have fulfilled the textbook definition of a cultist. And one bonus contribution for you to chew on while your feeding the stock, the idea that Obama was or was not a cult figure has no bearing on whether Trump is or is not.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a derision upon the one needing educated. I do not believe that there is anything I can say to change your mind, and what you are asking me to do would take a hell of a lot more time than I care to put in this discussion with a person I believe locked into a point of view so tightly that there is no chance that any of my words would change you mind if I was to take the time to do as you ask.

"...the idea that Obama was or was not a cult figure has no bearing on whether Trump is or is not." True enough, but was not the point of that comment, the point was that the author would never dream of calling Obama supporters what he was accusing Trumps supporters of, when they gave so much more example of the attitude than any Trump supporter ever did. I just had to go back to my records for these examples:

Ezra Klein said in January 2008 in The American Prospect. “He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair. The other great leaders I’ve heard guide us towards a better politics, but Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves, to the place where America exists as a glittering ideal, and where we, its honored inhabitants, seem capable of achieving it, and thus of sharing in its meaning and transcendence.”

Oprah Winfrey. Both spoke like preachers on the old-time gospel hour — about Obama. “I give all praise and honor to God,” Obama said, according to Politico. “Look at the day the Lord has made.” Meanwhile, Winfrey spoke about a quasi-holy man. “We need a leader who’s going to touch our souls. Who’s going to make us feel differently about one another. Who’s going to remind us that we are one another’s keepers. That we are only as strong as the weakest among us.” The once-popular daytime talk show host also spoke about “The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman,” a novel and movie from the 1970s. This old woman would ask all children, “Are you the one? Are you the one?” “Today we have the answer to Miss Pittman’s question,” Winfrey confidently predicted. “South Carolina: I do believe he’s the one.”

Toni Morrison, the person who once called Bill Clinton America’s first black president, in January of 2008, she wrote a letter praising Obama for possessing “a creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom.” He had an “un-embargoed” “moral center,” she gushed, according to the New York Observer. He had “courage instead of mere ambition.” Indeed, the novelist most famous for being forced upon a generation of American high schoolers babbled: “There have been a few prescient leaders in our past, but you are the man for this time.”

San Francisco columnist Mark Morford frothed in June 2008 that Obama “isn’t really one of us.” “Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.”

Eve Konstantine, some leadership coach and Huffington Post blogger. “He represents our diverse whole: he’s brown, book and street smart, somewhat androgynous, strong while adaptive, and, above all, purposeful,” Konstantine wrote of Obama in February 2008. “He’s an amalgam of all that we are. He knows where he’s going, he understands what’s possible, he sees the current imperative, and he’s voicing it for all of us. He is a necessary response to the current zeitgeist. He’s our representation of who we might be as caretakers of the planet. He comes at the hour of our greatest darkness, after we’ve hit a national bottom on the world stage. He’s Everyman, in a way a that [sic] fine white male, brimming with integrity, or a competent white female simply can’t be.”

Democratic politician Gary Hart identified Obama as “a leader” for a “transcendent moment” at HuffPo. “He is in fact an agent of transformation,” Hart explained. “He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians, and this makes him seem elusive to the conventional press and the traditional politicians. His instinct for the moment and the times is orders of magnitude more powerful than the experience claimed by others. Experience in the old ways is irrelevant experience. ”

In February 2008, Politico, a suburban Virginia blog, noted the messianic effect Obama was having on many Democrats — including celebrities. Take George Clooney, for example. “He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere,” the hunky college dropout said. Another celeb, Halle Berry, indicated her own cultish devotion to Obama. “I’ll do whatever he says to do,” she swore. “I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.” The Politico story also has this interesting tidbit about Obama’s shtick. “The campaign works hard to cultivate the rock star image,” it said. “After he’s introduced, Obama routinely waits about 30 seconds to enter the arena.”

In June 2009, then-Newsweek editor Evan Thomas called Obama “sort of God,” according to the Media Research Center. “We’re not just parochial, we’re not just chauvinistic, we’re not just provincial,” Thomas told MSNBC host Chris Matthews. (Thomas was talking about the Middle East, not defending his cocktail-circuit friends.) “We stand for something – I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God.” Ever the powerhouse intellectual, Matthews responded, “Yeah.”

In December 2009 that Politiken, a leading Danish newspaper, proclaimed to the world that Obama is far greater than Jesus Christ because Obamacare had “passed through the American Senate” but all Jesus did was offer up some miracles “which only benefitted a few.” “Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus – if we have to play that absurd Christmas game,” the newspaper instructed. “But it is probably more meaningful to insist that with today’s domestic triumph, that he has already assuAred himself a place in the history books – a space he has good chances of expanding considerably in coming years.”

I’ll stop with Michelle Obama’s “We have an amazing story to tell, This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light.”

As Stephen Hawking was fond of saying, "The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." This isn't about my beliefs or even your beliefs, it is about you making a rather sweeping assertion about President Trump that you have not a single shred of actual evidence to support. If you were able to conclusively demonstrate you are correct, I would widely proclaim your findings. Moreover, if you wish to be considered an intellectually honest person, you should stop repeating your baseless claim. Until you can demonstrate your assertion, it is merely an Illusion of Knowledge.

The fault dear Brutus lies not in our stars, but in ourselves...

My dear sir, I am under no obligation to prove anything to you, that I see it and understand it as I do is plenty good enough for me. I assert equivalently that Trump will win another term for the reasons I have asserted. I am not the only person who see Trump as a promise keeper, promise made, promise kept is a common refrain in reports of what he has done and is doing.

Time will tell that tale, and when it is told I am sure that you will be very sad.

By the way it was Daniel J. Boorstin who coined "The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." not Stephen Hawking, did he give credit when he quoted him? As to your "This isn't about my beliefs or even your beliefs,,,", I beg to differ, we act upon what we believe, it is our beliefs that guide up in the path that we walk both in the world and in our philosophies.

You seem to be extremely confused about the point I'm making which is unfortunate because it is exceedingly simple:

If you care about intellectual integrity and intelligent debate, then you won't make wild, unsubstantiated claims, when the outcome you assert is actually falsifiable. Again, the fact that others agree with you has no relevance to whether or not what you stated is true.

On the quote issue, again you are incorrect. Boorstin's quote was : "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." I corresponded with Hawking's assistant at Cambridge few years before his passing to confirm the quote which he did directly from Dr. Hawking. You need better sources.

People have different ways of looking at the world, no argument. At the same time, there is a big difference between facts, ideas, false statements and irresponsible speculation. The problem I've observed with dogmatists and Trumpists is that they don't understand the distinction between those different concepts.

"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.” Francis Bacon.

1- Daniel J. Boorstin quotes (showing 1-30 of 68)

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
― Daniel J. Boorstin

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“No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever.”
― Daniel J. Boorstin

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“A wonderful thing about a book, in contrast to a computer screen, is that you can take it to bed with you.”
― Daniel J. Boorstin

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2- You do not get it, I don'r care what you think of me or any other "Trumpists". We will put him into office for another term, and there is nothing you can do about it.

"...a big difference between facts, ideas, false statements and irresponsible speculation." I have not uttered a false statements, I have offered my opinion, and my own personal observations, i.e. Trump has deliver on more promises than any other president in my lifetime. And there is nothing irresponsible about speculation regarding the midterm elections and the 2020 Presidential election.

Now as to facts, they is a different kettle of fish. As Nietzsche said, "There are no facts, only interpretations" just as the interpretation of a book is up to the reader, so too is the interpretation of our world is up to the person(s) observing the facts. Facts do not explain themselves, they must be explained by an observer. Facts can be explained to tell many differ ant stories, as any courtroom drama will point out. I hold a Bachelor of Science in Electronic Engineering, another in Computer Information Systems, these required I pass courses in physics up to and including wave theory. I also earned an MBA with an emphasis on management which means, among other things, a lot of studying of statistics and forecasting. I have well demonstrated my ability to understand the distinction between those different concepts you point to. This is the problem all you Trump haters have, you vastly underestimate his supporters. I am a Marine active in the Marine Corps league for the last 30 years. You would be hard put to find a Veteran that thinks the way you do, out of the hundreds I curently know only two look at Trump the way you do.

We are not going to come to a meeting of the mind, you will not convince single Trumpists to change who they will vote for, you are just going to have to grit your teeth and bear it. I am retired some time back and now train horses for a living. I am a Marine active in the Marine Corps league for the last 30 years.

This is me in the middle. Bty, those two Marines beside me see Trump the say way I do

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First of all, I do not hate, nor dislike Trumpists, and I am very, very proud of our military. Your need to paint this as an "us vs them" issue is not scientific, nor statistically relevant. My only point, which you have chosen to completely ignore, is that you initial statement that "Trump and accomplished more of what he said he would do as President in my lifetime" is not a fact, however, it could be verified, if you were truly concerned about having an intelligent debate, based on facts and evidence.

Objective truth is not relative, no matter how casually you treat it, it is a process of discovery, as great thinkers have pointed out for over 2400 years. And the only way mankind has discovered to move intelligent debate forward is by systematically removing error, bias and falsehood from our discourse. This is and has been my only point. If you were to agree to embark on that intellectually honest and essential journey with me, then I would recognize you as a brother in arms and welcome your input, despite the fact that we view the world in different ways.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts,” Bertrand Russell

"When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable,he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason." Thucydides

Whether you hate Trump or not, you come across like a Never Trumper.

You said, "My only point, which you have chosen to completely ignore, is that you initial statement that "Trump and accomplished more of what he said he would do as President in my lifetime" is not a fact, however, it could be verified, if you were truly concerned about having an intelligent debate, based on facts and evidence."

I have no desire to debate you about my assertion, I can gratuitously assert anything I may wish and you can just as gratuitously deny it, which you did without proof of any kind. This is a "us vs them" with the Progressives on the one side and MAGA on the other, there can be no compromise for the two sides are diametrically opposed and cannot meet in the middle. You are going to lose the election, both the midterm and the Presidential in 2020. That is the issue you do not wish to debate as it will be decided at the polls. Either you are right or I am right, there is no middle ground.

It's not about compromise or 'meeting in the middle', it is about having an intelligent productive debate that can yield real solutions. Jefferson referred to America on several occasions as "The Great Experiment" and one cannot conduct a useful experiment if facts, evidence and truth are casually disregarded.

You are the one that wanted this discussion. I have responded logically intelligently, and with courtesy in all of my replies. The upcoming elections are a continuation of the American Experiment, its outcome will be the proof of the pudding. I have ignored no evidence, in fact from my point of view you have absorbed a lot of propaganda about Trump supported. Which blind you to what we really are, and what we are rally doing.

Obama, with his "Fundamentally Changing" of America was the greatest attempt yet to move us from Jefferson vision for America. Then came the choice between Hillary and Trump. Hillary mote the same of what Obama had laid the path for, or Trump's MAGA. Trump won and the Progressives cannot stop crying about it, and the reasons for their appointed heir to Obama was first the Russians did it. But that has about blown its course and petering out with the arrest soon of the FBI agents who cleared Hillary and trumped up the Trump Russian Collusion fiction to get him impeached.

Now the whole emphasis is on the way he is handling the illegal aliens crossing the border. That want hep their cause, as we are not cultist, but people who's eyes have been opened.

I can carry this as long as you, for I am not going to let you have the last word.

Jim Jones committed suicide along with 918 of his followers, 304 of whom were children. It can happen again.

I told you, he was a Communist and a Democrat to boot.

JIm Jones was a popular Evangelical christian pastor which would have likely made him a HUGE Trump supporter!!!!!

Example of the Trump Effect:

U.S. Economy Leaving Europe and the Rest of the World Behind Share Print
BY TIMOTHY H. LEE
THURSDAY, JUNE 21 2018

[T]he U.S. has deregulated and cut taxes since the dawn of the Trump presidency, whereas Europe micromanages its economy in the manner preferred by Obama Administration alumni and their domestic apologists.

It wasn't supposed to happen this way.

The 2016 election of Donald Trump was supposed to usher in an era of economic mismanagement and market decline, while our European exemplars flourished under their more enlightened socialized model.

The late satirist H.L. Mencken once observed, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." In similar vein, liberals aghast at Trump's victory anticipated and even hoped for the United States to suffer as retribution for Flyover Country voters' poor life choices in November 2016.

Literally on election night, for instance, the political left's favorite economist Paul Krugman predicted market crashes from which we would "never" recover. And just this month, latenight comedian Bill Maher spoke for many when he openly hoped for a catastrophic American recession:

I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point. And by the way, I'm hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession. Sorry if it hurts people, but it's either root for a recession or you lose your democracy.

Lovely.

Well, a funny thing is starting to happen, much to their dismay.

Namely, American economic growth is leaving the world behind. A month ago, The Wall Street Journal noted the emerging signs under a buried Page B12 headline "Bond Gauge Signals Confidence in U.S.":

The gap between the yields on 10-year U.S. Treasury notes and German government bonds reached its widest in almost three decades, a sign of investor confidence that growth remains steadier in the U.S. than in Europe. The gap last week hit 2.445 percentage points, its widest since April 1989... "That spread is probably anticipating the U.S. economy is going to grow stronger than the rest of the world, and Germany in particular," said Jack McIntyre, who manages global bond portfolios at Brandywine Global Investment Management.

Then last week, the European Central Bank announced that it would maintain interest rates through next summer, which manifests its concern that Europe's economy shows increasing signs of fragility.

In contrast, the U.S. Federal Reserve last week not only raised our benchmark interest rate by one quarter of a percentage point, but also suggested that it could accelerate the pace of rate increases going forward due to our suddenly booming economic growth and employment gains.

Accordingly, our economy is accelerating just as others are slowing, which breaks from an extended period during which the world's major economies had been trending uniformly. And it's not just Europe that is slowing down, as the Journal noted:

Europe isn't the only region to show signs of cooling down. The People's Bank of China this week also left a suite of key short-term interest rates unchanged. New data showed business activity, including investment and retail sales, slowed in May, suggesting the world's second-largest economy is facing growing headwinds. The disappointing figures "warranted China to take a cautious tone," said Tommy Xie, an economist at OCBC Bank.

Meanwhile, the Trump economy has already averaged 3% growth in the first year of his presidency, which Obama Administration officials rationalized was a thing of the past. And it's only beginning to expand even faster. For the second quarter that just ended May 31, analysts predict growth exceeding 4%.

What explains all of this?

Well, the U.S. has deregulated and cut taxes since the dawn of the Trump presidency, whereas Europe micromanages its economy in the manner preferred by Obama Administration alumni and their domestic apologists. And just last week, a federal court rejected a government effort to prevent the private merger between AT&T and Time-Warner, Inc., whereas Europe places a far heavier thumb upon its market participants.

America accelerating even while the economies of Europe and China begin to decline is something that everyone here should celebrate. It's unfortunate that too many on the political left refuse to join the party, and even hope for it to come to an abrupt end. (that's you)

http://cfif.org/v/index.php...

Your saying "JIm Jones was a popular Evangelical christian" does not make it true. Any more that the lies being told about Trump are true:

Read it and weep:

In the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, about 54 percent of Americans said they agree the U.S. “will not be a migrant camp” and that “it will not be a refugee-holding facility.”

He was popular because he stood against the pervasive racism in the southern protestant churches. Can you say the same about yourself, or do you resent him because you didn't?

Only so as to be seen as their god, and then kill as many who heeded his call as he could. Hell of a way to stand against the pervasive racism in the southern protestant churches. But what is a few hundred dead cultist to you? You were bragging about them kill themselves above, sayi9ng it could happen again with Trump supporters. You are sick!

Here is something that will piss you off:

The Progressive lauded CFPB which had two two primary, albeit unspoken, functions. First, it was structured as a holding center for fines and assessments against any financial organizations opposed by progressives. Second, it was a distribution hub for the received funds to be transferred to political allies and groups supportive of progressive causes. It was constructed by Elizabeth Warren and her progressive ideologues as an extra-constitutional government agency. This was entirely by design.

To pull off this scheme Elizabeth Warren et al ensured it was structured to allow no congressional oversight; however, it was also structured to have no executive branch oversight – and the funding mechanism for the CFPB budget was directly through the federal reserve. The lack of any legislative or executive branch oversight made the entire scheme unconstitutional according to an earlier court decision.

The CFPB defenders then appealed the decision to a select appellate court in Washington DC to continue the construct. The Warren crew won the appeal; but today, in an unrelated jurisdictional ruling a New York judge affirmed the minority opinion setting up a possible supreme court pathway to get a final decision.

You still haven't answered the question. Are you feeling guilty for your lack of courage in confronting racism or are you like Steve Bannon, just proud to be a white supremacist ?

"Are you feeling guilty for your lack of courage in confronting racism or are you like Steve Bannon, just proud to be a white supremacist ?"

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.[2] The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example, the previous question would not be loaded if it were asked during a trial in which the defendant had already admitted to beating his wife.[2]

This fallacy should be distinguished from that of begging the question (not to be confused with raising the question),[3] which offers a premise whose plausibility depends on the truth of the proposition asked about, and which is often an implicit restatement of the proposition.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

I am under no obligation to answer any of your questions!

But look at what Trump has did for the blacks:

The most recent jobs report shows a dramatic drop in black unemployment.

The rate dropped half a point in May, to 5.9 percent. That's a historic low.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics says the gap between white unemployment and black unemployment has never been smaller.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews...

What I find most interesting is the cognitive dissonance you display with every post. On the one hand, you have such macho bravado dripping from every word, but then when a serious issue arises, such as your overt and blatant racism, you run away and hide in the corner like a scared little girl. Guess that's why you and your friends wear hoods.

Ad hominem are the only argument that you have!

In the meanwhile the Trump Train keeps on rolling along picking up speed. MAGA

JSW Steel has announced an agreement to purchase Acero Junction facility in Mingo Junction, Ohio. Thanks specifically to the Trump administration economic plan, it is investing upwards of $500 million in the old Ohio steel plant that was built in 1929, instead of constructing a new facility in India.

The project is expected to generate an estimated 300 permanent jobs in a town of just 3,400 people. “We are going to revitalize that facility and that entire community,” CEO John Hritz said:

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Ad hominem, wow, quite a big word for someone who can't figure out if it is raining or not.

Just to clarify for you because I am quite sure you have no idea what it actually means, your lack of knowledge of simple logical principles and your clear bigotry disqualifies you from intelligent discourse, without any assistance from me, you have done that to yourself.

I do not really give a shit what you think about my intelligence, education, or my ability to think, but I am well educated in logic, both Boolean and Aristotle. I have earned a B.S. in Electron Engineering, another in Computer Information Systems, and as well obtained an MBA. You just go ahead think that I, and all Trump supporter are imbeciles, That is one of the reason Hillary lost her shot, her seeing us as Deplorably.

This guy describes you precisely:

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.—MLK Jr.

Liberals are sincerely ignorant. By which I mean that they are committed to, and passionate about, their ignorance—truly they are. And they are conscientious about their stupidity—that is, they are painstakingly precise when it comes to being dim-witted.

Ignorance: Lack of knowledge or information.
Conscientious: To do one’s work or duty well and thoroughly.

All of which makes them fertile ground in which to plant the lies, half-truths, and disinformation of the MSM propaganda machine. In the hothouse echo chamber of liberal media, nonstop fact-free anti-Trump hate and negativity programming keeps liberal true believers in a continual state of turmoil and anger. “Who does this Trump guy think he is?”

This constant MSM poking and prodding of their audience is intentionally designed to keep the sheeple emotionally disturbed and intellectually stunted.

Don’t think! Get outraged! Let your feelings run free…when you’re caught in an outrage monsoon, you aren’t supposed to think. You are supposed to be infuriated, aroused, and activated, like a ravenous…zombie hungering for the virtue signaling lobe of the human brain.

Facts are the enemy when it comes to liberal policies, so they don’t want you messing with the message by bringing them up. Instead, they want you outraged, and your mind clouded with ginned-up anger, ready to do their bidding.—Kurt Schlichter “Don’t Get Played; Get Woke to the Outrage Scam”

All of this leads to widespread Trump Derangement Symptom, which is getting more vile, vulgar, and vicious by the day. They are exposing their inner liberal for all the world to see, and it is an ugly sight indeed…getting uglier all the time.

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No, he pretended to be a Christian. You only think you know shit, but you don't know shit!

Jim Jones and Jonestown Sing Soviet Anthem:

Here is an audio of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple singing the National Anthem of the Soviet Union, to which they often refer as their "spiritual motherland." Temple members often sang the anthem after nightly meetings. There's an entirely incorrect misconception from people who don't read about Jonestown that the Temple members were messainic religious nuts. They were most definitely not. They were communists looking for an exodus to the USSR before their final mass suicide.

They were also vehement atheists (Jones ridiculed people that believed in "the sky God"). The PT repeatedly explained that they used religion ("religion is an opiate of the masses") to convert people to socialism.

They were mostly politically minded. They also weren't looking to die. Many thought Jones prior discussions of war and suicide were just part of a long line of dramatic proclamations he'd always made but never came remotely close to consummating through action. Until November 18.

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With all due respect, you have not responded intelligently and logically. By making unsubstantiated claims that you assert are truth, without evidence, you have actually systematically undermined the seriousness and credibility of your argument. Your statement: "I can gratuitously assert anything I may wish" is not a logical or intelligent argument.

In fact, your endorsement of gratuitous assertions is eerily reminiscent of the example that Dr Shenkman used in the original article. You can say as often as loudly as you would like that the world will end tomorrow, but that certainly doesn't make it logical, intelligent or true.

You appear to have no respect for me or any Trump Supporter, "you have not responded intelligently and logically" is your opinion not a fact.

As I said way above I am under no obligation to you to do anything.

I assert that Trump has keep more campaign promises than any other president in my lifetime than any other president elected to office. You asked for proof of that assertion, and I am under no obligation to give it to you. Your assertion "'I can gratuitously assert anything I may wish' is not a logical or intelligent argument." No it is a premise not an argument, the argument is: A gratuitous assertion simply means that no proof was offered to prove the assertion, it does not prove that the assertion is untrue. If I come into the house and say it is raining outside, that is a gratuitous assertion, showing my wet hat would be evidence of that assertion, but not proof as the hat could have gotten wet in another way, such as a sprinkler system.