Maajid Nawaz, for all his faults, is useful to us. His self-invented moderate-Islam stick is not accepted by the Islamic community because it is a personal innovation contrary to the radical nature of Islam as written and practiced. He puts a lie that Muslims would accept a moderate version.

He also puts a lie to the leftist and academic dream of moderate Islam. It isn't real. The leftist organizations go after him because he shows how inauthentic moderate Islam is. For all their talk of separating Islamism from Islam, leftists turn on the one person who was a practicing jihadist and is trying to divide Islam into two.

Let him try and fail. Let's defend his efforts because he is an enemy of our enemy. I'm not worried he will succeed in creating a watered-down version of Islam. His futile effort is educational. He's useful. Cheer him on!

First off the name of his foundation is a problem. It is named after Abdullah
Quillian who was himself an Islamic supremacist who endorsed a
caliphate.

see excellent Andrew Bostom article https://www.andrewbostom.or...

I too agree that Islam, as such, is irredeemable. But, I also see that there were periods of relative calm, tolerance, and prosperity in the Muslim world in the past. It is a vast and deep culture with dozens of languages and countries.

I talk to many Muslims who are educated and good neighbors. And, of course, the Germans who tortured and killed my family were good Christians and good neighbors. The difference is that the Muslims quote their religion as a reason to kill us, and the Germans gave up their religion as a reason to kill us.

That being said, I think we should look carefully at Europe and reassess why there was a division of the world for centuries between Christendom and Islam. They are incompatible systems.

The US is a unique experiment. There is no state religion. Islam is the perfect weapon to destroy it. Let's not let them. Let's start by reaffirming one rule of law and not allowing Sharia Courts. That's what destroyed Europe.

Indeed, islam is irredeemable (as some other ugly things in far corners of the world). The question must be why islam was let into Britain and other western nations while it had never been there before!

Is it even thinkable that Britain could ever massively accept say Spaniards, French, or Germans?! Never! Britain waged wars with them in historic times. And even if Britain did massively receive those folks, it would not spell near such a disaster as taking in islamic piranhas! It's unfathomable that the entire sheeple of the West happened to be so gullible, so fat and brain dead, that they massively accepted the total reversal of the very foundations of humanity such as Nation X belongs to people X!

It is a fact that Islam only moderates is expression until it has invaded in sufficient numbers to remove the mask and violently over throw the existing gov't and the people.
And why is it that Muslims do not want to go back to live in Muslim ruled countries? Hypocrisy. They love the freedom and technological conveniences that do not and cannot exist in Muslim ruled countries. At the same time, the seek to enforce a system that destroyed their home countries.

muslims understand it. why is it impossible for western governments and media to comprehend? there is no such thing as moderate islam. islam is islam (and it stinks).

And it can NEVER be otherwise.

Until last week, I had never heard of Tommy Robinson, or the EDL. Since then, I've done extensive reading at their website, and other websites (that oppose the EDL). Like all such organizations, there are going to be radicals among them. But for the life of me, I don't understand why the British government sees Robinson and the EDL to be such a threat. In the United States, such a group would be considered mainstream nationalists.

As an American nationalist, I don't pose a threat to the existence of my country, and I am not a threat to anyone (who doesn't attack me, first).

Someone help me out, here, on the EDL ...

Tommy Robinson poses a threat to the UK government because they are no longer British, they have become the subjects of not the Queen, but of Islam.

Robinson is an intelligent proletarian guy who may be a bit rough round the edges, but is
brave.
A couple of years back he was to speak at a rally.
The rally was cancelled due to fears of leftist violence.
The cops stopped a car full of moslems with no insurance who were heading to the rally.
The car was impounded & examined a couple of days later.
It contained nail bombs, and assorted guns - all illegal in the UK.
That's what Robinson & the decent British are up against.

Thanks for the input as we do not necessarily hear much about what is going on in the UK in that regard. I do hope that the UK will have someone that can unite them to start turning back this onslaught of Muslims.

You won't hear much because such crimes are not (or seldom) made public by the Police in Britain, Sweden & Germany. Also, media is discouraged from reporting on those crimes.

We have a similar problem where they report the crimes, but not who is necessarily responsible, as it isn't politically correct to do so.

It's much worse, because now also the Queen is an enabler of islam (or can you imagine that islamization of Britain happened without her approval or silent consent?!). From "Defenders of the Christian Faith" to ... "Surrenders of the Christian faith" in one royal generation:

Kiss Britannia islamic derriere
Bow to all your royal perverts there!

edl is a patriotic organization founded by tommy robinson, a patriotic UK citizen who opposes the Islamic invasion invited and succored by the criminal government and praised by cowards and other traitors. EDL was contaminated early by a few notzees, who were widely advertised by the criminal media who were eager to use a few notzees as a handy excuse to condemn any patriotism they could find. edl was so successfully demonized by the criminal media that robinson cut his ties with the edl. robinson is the most favored target in uk for the government and media who have decided that the importation of muslims, the rape of little girls by the invaders, and the ultimate genocide of the legacy population of uk is a good goal. robinson is one of a very few with the guts to speak out against the treason of the uk government and media, and it is easy to see why there are so few. the government and media are very effective at punishing anyone who is not onboard with the genocide of the English.

The EDL doesn't oppose the islamic invasion, they oppose 'radical islam', whatever that is. Like most American nationalists, they're all for mass immigration, as long as it's legal and the immigrants don't break any laws.

I'm baffled by the persecution of Robinson myself - he should be right up their alley: a magnet for malcontents that isn't really a threat to the established order, he corrals and contains those who would otherwise flock to real nationalist parties like Paul Weston's Liberty UK or Britain First.

anyone who opposes "radical islam" opposes islam. they are one and the same.

Anyone in Britain joining the EDL or BNP knows exactly what sort of violent thuggish organisation it is, Mr Robinson knew exactly what he was getting into and whilst he may now be more moderate in his behaviour the suggestion that he left the EDL once it was infiltrated is nonsense.

I 100% agree that Britain is sadly being overrun by muslims and others, but supporting Tommy Robinson is betting on the wrong horse, sorry.

At least Robinson has the guts to say what many other think. Must all remain silent and simply be swallowed up by the ignorant?

I'd bet my last U.S. dollar, you were born with the proverbial silver spoon in mouth relative, in any case, to Tommy R. gawd, you're thick. You evidently have no clue as to what the underclasses of British society have to put up with from the moon-god worshippers. And it's the thickness of the elites and ruling class in your once proud and mighty country that will bring you and your nation to perdition.

You just lost your house my friend, I was bought up on an estate, left school at 16 to go to work, worked every day of my life and fought against upper-class privilege in more ways than you can imagine, but one thing is for sure, if you support Robinson you might win the battle but you will lose the war.
When he started the EDL following the virtual collapse of the BNP he knew exactly what class of thug he would attract, everyone in Britain knew what they stood for, everyone.
He might be a nicer guy now, but I doubt it, but it is the equivalent of you guys supporting an ex-KKK leader.

I have 3 different copies of the Koran and read them 25-30 yrs ago. I came to the same conclusion that they were a boring mixture of Judaic and Christian beliefs with an unhealthy dose of kill all unbelievers. The Sci-Fi ish "Book of Mormon" has a better plot, much more putative history and a grand cast of fictional characters. I am far, far from being an LDS admirer but it was conceived by an upstate NY farmer in the early 19th Century? The Koran sucks! Theoretically, one can only read the true Koran in an Arabic text. I have better things to do with my time, like takingout the trash or sweeping the floor.

the history of Mormonism and mohammedism share some features. Mormonism was founded by a convicted con-man. islam was founded by a murderer, rapist, torturer, slave-taker and trader, child and animal molester, and treaty breaker. both approve of polygamy, but Mormonism mostly gave it up when outlawed by the government. islam has not, and when occupying nations where polygamy is outlawed, they practice polygamy secretly and lie about it. Mormons have a significant terrorism event in their history, but have repudiated terrorism, and apparently don't practice it anymore. islam and terrorism are inseparable. where there is islam, there is terrorism. the religious beliefs of both Mormons and islam are ludicrous. any rational person would laugh at either-- you can make this statement about any religion, but Mormon and islam both being relatively new religions, the history of both are better documented than the others, and consequently known with greater certainty to be made up by stealing a lot of boiler plate from other religions, and adding a large dose of known, provable lies. Mormonism is annoying, but relatively harmless. islam is annoying, and lethal to everyone who comes in contact with it. islam is the plutonium of religion. if you stand aloof, it burns you slowly. it you touch it, it burns you faster. if you ingest it, it kills you, and makes you radioactive. if you allow a critical mass of islam or plutonium to accumulate, you get a large explosion. the best quantity of plutonium or islam to have on your own continent is none.

:-D

i *love* the plutonium metaphor. even though i'm a born-again christian, i have to say that your post is *very* well put!

please don't sweep the qurans out the door with the other trash ben; it's hand to have it around to poke holes in the lies of leftists and pious muslims!.

England is now a topsy turvy land of fools

The libtards will soon reap what they're sowing. Especially the young women who have huge attraction to the men.

One of the best Mohammedans we have in the UK.
I wish there were millions fewer, but, taken at face value he is courageous.
He has been denounced in the US by the Southern Law Poverty Centre as An Enemy of Islam
so he can't be that bad.

Soft or moderate Islam, is that supposed to be something like, "I can't believe its not butter", but instead is "I can't believe its not Islam".
I am surprised that he does not have fatwas out on him, and that he is still alive, having defiled Islam in such a manner.
Maybe when someone finally drops a house on Hellary, I be willing to buy this stuff.

Although the EDL are done, the Football Lads' Alliances and other street protest groups exist and are very active, especially in support of Tommy.

And like the EDL, the FLA is harmless because they're not seeking office.

Have you ever been in a football (soccer) street protest? these are not soccer mums you know, they are violent thugs out to fight the opposition supporters.

The FLA is patently non-violent.