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Morrisg • 2 years ago

While the StoreDot advances claimed in this story are welcome news, I must point out something that I believe is misleading. It is this quote: "StoreDot reports that a robust performance is maintained even after 1,000 cycles and 80% capacity, the point at which rival lithium-ion fast-charging technologies start to rapidly deteriorate in performance."

Compare the StoreDot (NMC811 cathode, proprietary silicon/graphite anode) 80% capacity after 1000 0-80% cycles @ 25 degrees C with the results from the Journal of the Electrochemical Society Sept 6, 2019 paper "A Wide Range of Testing Results on an Excellent Lithium-Ion Cell Chemistry to be used as Benchmarks for New Battery Technologies" authored by Jeff Dahn's group at Dalhousie University. They used NMC532 cathode and graphite anode cells made from widely available materials and achieved 92% capacity after 4,500+ 0-100% cycles @ 20 degrees C and 1C charge / discharge rates.

That's almost 5 times greater longevity with less than half the capacity loss. Is StoreDot's faster charging cycle worth that much capacity and longevity loss? Not in my book, but others can make up their own minds.

farticustheelder • 2 years ago

I'm joining the skeptics column on this one. StoreDot makes lots of announcements, but no product to speak of.

J Bell • 2 years ago

All from Wikipedia:
In 2013, StoreDot was named the “Most Disruptive Company in the World” by Disrupt100.
In 2014, StoreDot introduced the prototype of a mobile phone battery that can be fully charged in 30 seconds.
StoreDot "claimed the commercial development of a battery to be charged within 30 s in 2014, 1 min in 2015, and 5 min in 2017."[3] John Timmer could not identify any published research about StoreDot's battery technology, and notes that StoreDot's technologies "leave the realm of academic research".
…and so on…

You know what they say about things that sound too good to be true.
Lets hope they are not selling hype.

Stimpacker • 2 years ago

They look like another QuantumScape. Electrek needs to pay attention to details. In the same article that says it has a 4680 cell, the published performance is for a super tiny 115mAh cell, which of course won't degrade much since it will not experience the same charge/discharge stresses as a much larger cell.

Patrick • 2 years ago

Anything to do with StoreDot needs a disclaimer IMO.

Google says they announced super fast battery charging in April, 2014.
No production. No contracts with auto companies.

I think their most-likely advanced discussions are with Fisker and Nikola. They probably hired Trevor Milton to negotiate deals for them and I fully expect them to announce a bladeless wind turbine system for charging.

crawdiddle • 2 years ago

Upvote for "bladeless wind turbine"

Kel Dommage • 2 years ago

Company, with no relationship with Tesla, is mentioned along with Tesla because their product and Tesla’s both make batteries shaped like batteries. News at 11…

john • 2 years ago

Actual battery progress is long slow hard expensive work. Announcements are quick and easy and bump your stock price. Lets hope it is real and cost effective and available soon.

Buutvrij • 2 years ago

Modern LFP cells albeit not as energy dense can charge/discharge for a couple of thousand before EOL?

I have LFP battery for my boat (propusion) and it came with 3000 + cycles. My teeth won't hurt anymore when that thing wears out...

FlyoverPhilosopher • 2 years ago

Hopefully this isn't all BS, because it sounds really impressive. Ford, VW, et al ,will be lining up to buy if it works out.

Kevin McCune • 2 years ago

Cost please.

Anthony • 2 years ago

The problem with this company or any company that promises a “revolution” in battery storage is that they’re going to have to overcome a lot of hurdles. The auto industry demands GWh of capacity. It’s very expensive to go from manufacturing a handful of cells in a lab to turning that into a product that is manufactured in the GWh scale with high yields. You have to traverse a lot of obstacles. A lot of companies, even ones with good technology, won’t make it.

Bob • 2 years ago

Interesting they are using the Tesla 4680 shape for their chemistry. One has to wonder whether Tesla has their eye on this company. There have been so many developers making amazing claims about their batteries who never were able to produce. Hope that is not the case here.

ctuna • 2 years ago

Seems like many are working on this form factor.

Stion Tac • 2 years ago

I can't find any reference to any company using that size before Tesla. Do you know of any? In fact I think I remember Tesla talking about a few different sizes but settled on that one. So it's either a huge coincidence (giving the number of available permutations) or someone started a fashion.

Solarman • 2 years ago

Early on it was TESLA that announced, the 4680 format was some kind of min/max package size to use for cells into packs. There are (LTO) cell manufacturers in China that make (LTO) cells in a 66180 format for at least a decade now.

Stion Tac • 2 years ago

That's my point. A company can pick any size they want - they just need to implement it in a good way and sell it in numbers. But it also means when one company does a different one and then lots of others do the same, it probably means that company started the trend and the others are following. Nothing wrong with following, but I think it's fair enough to acknowledge who is being followed, without even having to praise it - I can't see why that is such a big issue in this case.

Solarman • 2 years ago
I can't see why that is such a big issue in this case.

In 1900 the electric car ruled, gasoline won out in the end. This time around, one needs NOT to follow, but to excel in battery chemistry and energy density. Following will hit a plateau in the BEV sector and curtail the adoption of the BEV as the daily driver. Right now, China and Musk are pontificating on the LFP chemistry, when one needs to get down the road to more energy dense chemistries with less need for temperature controls and tight BMS charge and discharge specifications, then one can design the battery pack to hold more cells and get better energy density and longer range.