Hi all

Bob have you considered stacking the magna film to get a three D image of the fields or perhaps using a ferro liquid?

Particular useful would be vectors and perturbation do they expand in dissipation?

Direction would allow us to track back to origin.

Variance in velocity and acceleration would allow us to classify the effect and its interactions. Do they seem to suddenly appear? Suggesting massive initial velocity, or something stranger. Is the path straight or curved? Do certain materials interact. Do certain forces and fields interact. Each will allow us to classify the reaction products.

Consider that any detector has an effect, otherwise it could not detect, so vary distance and thus examine the detector mediums effect, thus increasing our ability to classify the products.

Does higher energy mean higher output?
Is there a sweet-spot?
Is there directionality?

Safety should also be considered, remember Curie! Inverse square law usually applies distance is always a good protection but direction may be a key issue. As will production levels.

Kind Regards Ian Walker

Hi Ian,

We have purchased some magnafilm and our Hutchison samples did not show any response on first try. I will try it on the LION reactor that has been run and will have it to hand on our replication.

I sense that strange radiation is more dangerous if you have a metal of high conductivity between you and the source.

I can't wait to share with you all my joy right now.

Trying to build a presentation that is simple and clear.

Maybe you can, but we can't...snarksnarksnark...
I'm working my way through the diamonds video (and while you DO need to make an obviously coherent and deep video of all this for the general audience, even your normal discursive style makes so much obvious to we who actually listen)- keep up the wonderful work, it seems like a huge amount of work is coming to fruition all at once, although I know how long it's all been in the pipeline.

Please review all recent videos related to LION, it will help with understanding 'O Day'

The possible irony in LION

Could unusual structures on the surface of the LION reactor help explain the shadow spots found on exposed Dentafilm?

Link to presentation. Raw SEM images linked from pdf

Errata: Cu3O is not a Superconductor

https://youtu.be/BhitBhess2E

It’s remarkable this double spot phenomenon. And a really a remarkably great insight linking these to solitons like this and explaining the dental film images from this phenomenon.

Even off topic collimating and focusing and diffraction of X-rays in to spots like this if this occurs is quite something. Or is it X-rays are being seen through the holes but not being focused. Either way it’s a very interesting observation. If the XRays are indeed focused or collimated I suppose these X-rays could give an expert a window on the process involved in generating them. Fascinating stuff. I’m really curious now where the evidence leads us.

You are going to love it.

Hi everyone,
THANKS FRANK for posting this thread, much appreciated.
A Huge thanks to BOB for all his fine work.
BOB is like the GIFT that just keeps Giving, the field of LENR should Treasure him, if anyone is in doubt just
check out this link :

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and keep scrolling. I bet many will be amazed at just how many stimulating videos BOB has made to contribute
to this evolving field of research.
If what I have done contributes in even a small way to the overall Knowledge base then I will be very satisfied, this field of research is yet young. There is still so much to learn for all of us, we can all be proud pioneers. I am sure MARTIN is smiling.
and wishing us all SUCCESS.
I am hopeful that STAN will yet return to the field in some capacity and write his and Martins story, it would be an utter Tragedy for that to be lost.
THANKS also to RUSS and ALAN for all their wonderful help, I am very much aware that no man ( researcher ) is an island
unto themselves. Co -operative collective action is what is required for this field to THRIVE.

I am still committed to the GOAL of engagement with mainstream Science, because the day they get on board again in a Serious and Constructive way is the day this Field of Research will fly. Humanities energy future will then be secured.

I wish to thank everyone for their interest and support, especially Axil, who's posts will in time , I am sure prove seminal, in assisting a deeper understand for any approaching main stream Scientist.

Dr Michael Mc Kubre gave what I believe is a very important interview recently, I urge everyone to listen to it. Thanks for everything you have done for this field of research MIKE, may your Wealth of experience remain with us for many years to come. Mike represents many of the fields Treasures, as they started out as main stream scientists themselves and represent the best link to their collegues in mainstream Science who have yet to be convinced. Here is the link---thanks RUBY.

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Here's a comment I received from Carl-Oscar Gullström who is collaborating with Rossi on a theory for Rossi's LENR effect.

I contacted him since I know how important it is to have the complete mathematical and theoretical picture as a basis when discussing hypotheses, and since I know that Gullström has an impressive intuitive and mathematical understanding of particle and nuclear physics.

He told me that he had watched the entire MFMP video above and that he found the observations interesting. Here are his comments:

"The problem with the CC theory and other beyond normal electromagnetic theories is that it lacks a link to the strong force.

The thing is that the strong force has always been beyond the EM by definition and in many aspects the beyond EM theories I’ve seen in LENR only reproduces features of the strong force.

What happens could be summarized in these short sentences: Interaction with the electron is done from the charge and magnetic moment which give rise to photon exchange interaction (EM). However the electron also has a mass, which implies that scalar interaction is possible and for electron-nucleon interaction this is carried by the scalar exchange particle sigma.

To come back to the CC cluster, the observations that MFMP showed in their recent videos are within what sigma_I=2 exchange theories would predict, while the EM based CC theories has a problem with the strong force phenomena i.e. the absence of gamma radiation. First the shielding that would be needed from a charge cluster is that only 1/10^10 gammas would escape. The electron density is not enough for this type of shielding. One can compare with lead where the electron density actually is somewhat the same, and a cm of lead only shields about 10^3-10^5 of gammas.

Even if the CC could shield gamma in an unknown super effective way they also have the problem with production of long-lived radioactive nuclides. Basically without any special rule on fusion except that the energy is there, stable nuclides would be dominant but also radioactive nuclides with half-life of seconds would be produced. These nuclides would be left after the CC has disappeared but decay and cause gamma radiation. For example 59-62Cu, 64Cu, 28Al, 8Li, 6Be would be created in a H-Li-Al-Ni environment and have detectable gamma radiation when decaying.

That the CC is a consequence and not a cause of LENR could be explained by the following for the observations from MFMP. The sigma_I=2 potential would create an attractive force not only for the nucleon that is included in the nucleon transfer reaction but also for nuclides in the surroundings. The potential would then create in inbound pressure and “loaded spring” forces between the nuclides.

A consequence of this is that diamonds could be created by the inbound pressure on the surface. Also the “loaded spring force” are left there for some time and could be used to create electricity for some time by the electric potential created by the extra force between the atoms. It also drags air into the metal and creates a negative pressure inside a closed reactor. An extra note concerning carbon is that is has an enhanced sigma potential since the force minimizes either four nucleons to be put together or four alpha clusters. The C12 isotope is made of three alpha clusters.

The CC clusters are created by the sigma-electron potential where the sigma, not a photon, holds the electrons in place. I can mention another place where CC phenomena created by LENR might have been found in nature. That is the hessdalen light—a strange light phenomena observed in Norway coming from dust that is rich in the metal scandium. Scandium is a metal that is easy to use for LENR purpose since is has both odd number electrons and nucleons."

Hi Mats,
thanks for doing this and thanks to Carl-Oscar Gullström for responding.

The gamma radiation is removed from the LENR reaction because the CC is superconducting and is a bose condensate that becomes entangled with the subatomic particle that is involved in the LENR reaction. The energy is shared via this entangled interface and the CC absorbs the LENR energy and stores it for gradual release as light and heat. This wormhole based energy transfer between the proton and CC leaves the nucleus stable in terms of gamma energy release.

The CC produces a monopole magnetic beam that acts to destabilize the proton through the creation of instantons inside the proton. These instantons change the mass of the quark(s) so that the quark(s) change flavor and become strange. The proton then decays since strange quarks are unstable.

The magnetic reactive field is not the quadrupole field but the monopole field. The monopole has long been predicted to destabilize protons.

The monopole magnetic interaction with the proton is through the Chiral magnetic effect (CME).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Carl-Oscar Gullström should study up on Leif Holmlids research. Like LION, I beleive that metallic hydrogen is what i producing the Rossi effect.

I am sorry to reveal this complication which might result is a bit of confusion. There are numerous LENR mechanisms that produce the LENR effect. Among these many mechanisms that produce the required magnetic effects, one of them is charge clusters, another one is metallic hydrogen. I beleive that the Rossi effect is based on metallic hydogen and/or lithium. The detection of triangular based tracts reflects the hexagonal structure of the crystal structure of metallic hydrogen. Charge clusters have no crystal structure and would not leave a triangular footprint.

Here is some more complexity. The polariton can have multiple host mechanisms. One is the CC, the others is metalized hydrides. It is the polariton that produces the monopole magnetic effects that activate LENR. The polariton establishes itself on the surfaces of both the CC and the metallic hydride. It looks like any mechanism that is a superconductor and a Bose Condensate can produce polaritons based on the electron spin waves that the meissner effect creates on the surface of the host mechanism.

Diamonds were not made by LENR in either Celani's wires or LIONs core.

What goes in is electrons and ions, what comes out is ions and electrons.

Perhaps there is something in the middle

LION - Is this experiment able to make out of this world matter?

The Doctor in charge of teaching EDS analysis at Masaryk University Brno could not get the SEM/EDS apparatus and software to determine a material in the main affected area of the LION reactor, this was a first in her experience.

Similar experiences have been had in the past by multiple groups trying to determine what some of John Hutchison’s transmuted material was. Yuri Bazhutov, one of the first people to discover 'Strange Radiation', which he calls Erzions, has also reported 'new kinds of material'.

https://youtu.be/cgUbMLjSFxQ

Hi BOB,
this IS THRILLING NEWS. WOW very excited. I am so pleased you have the Tube and shareing with the community.THANKS. Well done MFMP. I am sure the Tube will yet give up much more DATA.

Oh yes, it will.

Well done LION, this reactor is a special thing. As we agreed, we would let Rossi have his time so as not to steel his thunder, but as I said to you last week, I think now is the right time to let this out.

I am trying to get my taxes done (bit of a joke really) and then lay out more of its revelations. I hope to post a related funny video (well, to me anyway) to this one later today.

This weekend I will be hosting a plasma physicist from a major UK university.

Last year was a very special one for me as a renegade science lover, and the fruits of your labour was a big part of that. I really have been experiencing the joy of science. Several times last year I had experienced people say they can't believe or understand what they are seeing, and it just makes me laugh.

Bob, giving Rossi any "time" is still withholding the technology from those who need it most.
Rossi has had enough time to help those in need and I disagree that MFMP should take such things as "stealing his thunder" into any consideration.

I had no time to interpret the data that shocked the very few that first that saw it. Moreover, the big reveal in the presentation, was not possible until very recently. I had done a LOT of research to get to that point of understanding so that I could make the message simple. I am continually trying to find a way to support my family and continue this work - that there has been the biggest barrier - it has been an immense struggle.

1. The video with the Magnafilm was not posted till 26th December 2017.

2. I did not get the x-rays with the 'two spots' till 4 days before the presentation.

3. I did not get the image from Hutchison until 2 days before I finished the presentation, which I am not aware has ever been made public.

I had already made public the raw images immediately from the ECCO 'Strange Radiation' work many many months ago and no-one had looked at them - I did not even realise their significance until 1,2&3 above.

The LION author wanted to not over-run Rossi's work at the end of last year, and the MFMP must respect the wishes of claimants. I have just about kept things spinning in the interim. Because of the extended time to consider the data, which I also used to build various relevant relationships, principally with John Hutchison, only then has clarity of what may be going on become possible. When I said to LION last week that it was the right time, that is because it was the right time! Before then there would have been no presentation since the key data to interpret the data would have been missing.

So, even as I wrote to the LION author last week, the full story had not crystallised. Everyone got this as fast as I could possibly do it without loosing completely my limited support structure. I have so much thinking and data to publish from last year but am really struggling financially with 3 young children and basically permanently volunteering. I think this is the most important use of my mind but not all agree, including in my family and I have to deal with that. I have many presentations in the works, this was one of them, this is the culmination of months of thinking and only possible because of my being away from my family for months last year on MFMP missions and then digesting what was witnessed.

PUBLISHING this presentation has given me a lot of intellectual pleasure but has yielded $0 for my family and $100 for the project, despite this, I feel that I am honour and duty bound to release all my understanding publicly as fast as I reasonably can.

Bob, many thanks, I also gain "intellectual and humanitarian benefit from your statement that ", I feel that I am honour and duty bound to release all my understanding publicly as fast as I reasonably can."
Please put up the link below for us to make a direct donation of $100 to you personally to help your situation.
Yours and MFMP's efforts for open science for those in need I feel sure are leading to many such donations.
Best wishes George Jackie

Timing is complex. What I note is that—as most often in the history of technology—when the timing is right, a new invention normally gets invented fairly independently by multiple inventors in different locations at more or less the same time frame. I think Rossi has needed the time until now to get to a product which can be commercialised. He has always been convinced that this is the only way to convince the world about the technology, and I believe he is right. And I have never heard him so convinced before about being ready.
At the same time it's exciting to see parallel work such as this, and I am incredibly grateful for your efforts Bob.
I'm also really looking forward to having you as a speaker at the New Energy World Symposium, for which I also believe the timing is right. BTW, there's another link to LION through Alan Smith as a speaker, having provided the tools to LION from Lookingforheat.com.
At the moment I'm struggling to get enough attendees to be able to hold the conference. Will take some risks in order to get there, hoping for the best!

Hi Mats,

Your unstinting work in the face of extreme criticism is an inspiration. You took the decision last year to put off the New Energy World Symposium and I think that was the right thing to do. Likewise, I think that it is the right thing to do to run with it this year.

The MFMP, with Super NOVA, LION and Hutchison replication, in addition to the diligent and focussed work of Alan Goldwater and Bob Higgins and the support of many formidable researchers like Brian Albiston has another heavy, but very interesting year ahead of it. What is interesting is that the data is all connected, no new theories have emerged, just a coalescence of understanding and iteration to clarity - in itself, a self-organising phenomena. Sometimes, you need the right catalyst to bring about this self-organisation in many spheres, and I believe you are that catalyst that can bring about a new renaissance in the New Fire and I recommend that if anyone can get to Sweden this year I think they will not regret the choice.

Thanks Bob.

Mats, many thanks, we are into the philosophy of life.
Capitalism is a cruel unequal system that one could put up on page. thousands of Facts giving the suffering and death it causes Worldwide, not just in the poor countries but the so called rich countries contain much suffering.
A better system where all have a completely equal chance to help society and are rewarded pro-rata for their efforts, no child starting with any disadvantage to any other as in our insane system.
Learning from birth, caring and sharing in contrast to selfish greed.
MFMP are showing, as do thousands of people around the World just how willing they can be to work for others.
In contrast Rossi is showing the delay caused by capitalistic ideals, when his knowledge could have been shared eight years ago for every scientist in the World to have worked on, where would we be now?
MFMP like everybody should be financed by society to help society.
Best

Hi George. I have made a link to the presentation slides above.

Thankyou for your offer, in 25 months I have raised on average $100 a month from generous people and that has really helped, but for this to be sustainable, I need 20 times as much, when my partner met me, and before I started my MFMP journey, I earned $100-$170/hour, you can imagine how that is internalised. I intend to publish to youtube very regularly both experiments and raw data and get insights and thoughts out the door as fast as possible and will launch a patreon with the hope of making this possible, I have built the studio. If there are 200 people that could afford $10 a month then I can do this full time AND keep some sense of dignity with my family.

Here is the link to my gofundme, thankyou
https://www.gofundme.com/Bo...

All done Bob, please take care of my card details, I know that PayPal take a percentage but I think more people would feel safer using that method to donate.
Will wait fort expert comments on your news release today so that I can understand it better.

Thanks so much George, it is people in this community like you, that really want to see this science both in the open and benefiting our biosphere and are prepared to contribute, either intellectually or financially, that inspire me to push forward against the odds.

I never get to see any card details, that is a matter for the gofundme site, I think you have no problems there.

Hi georgehants,
" The LION author wanted to not over-run Rossi's work at the end of last year, and the MFMP must respect the wishes of claimants."

I am happy to confirm that BOB is word perfect in his reporting.

It is well known that I have supported Andrea from the beginning and still do. He is in my opinion a very remarkable human being, and has withstood the onslaught of others attacks with remarkable good grace. His application over so many long years has been simply extraordinary. His industry will deliver something beautiful, of that I have no doubt. I trust that when he does you will THANK him.

This year we are going to have a LENR party with many different people and groups, enjoy it george.
AlainCo has kindly previously posted a video of Andrea calmly explaining how he deals with such personal attacks. His Humanity shines through. I very much look forward to the day that I have the opportunity to meet him.
All the best.

Morning LION, no personal attacks but attack on the system used that ensnares and brings out the worst in people, please answer the point I continually make -----
Do you agree that in a different system Rossi would have released his basic findings 8 years ago and thousands of scientists and unlimited resources, for a proven effect, Worldwide could have been improving and developing ever since, of course Rossi should have been well rewarded for his work and financed to continue.
The system is clearly insane unless you wish to justify the millions of suffering and dying people that could possibly be nearer being helped with open science and reward without our inefficient capitalistic system leading to such delays etc.
What could MFMP have done in 8 years with the full recipe?

Hi Lion, just for clarification: Is it correct that you connected the light bulb to the ends of the outer coil? Was the reactor completely disconnected from the power supply at that time?

I would guess that the screw has a connection to the fuel.

Andreas, over the months I have asked for clarification on this a few times, in part this delayed early release of the presentation. The conclusion, the power was turned off at the top of the cycle (at 800ºC) and the bulb, which was attached the the undisclosed drain, was attached to the screw. We will no know if the screw is attached to the fuel, in the image of the nickel from a previous run, this had coalesced, we will find out if was connected.

If it was connected then it essentially means the drain path could have been from both the outside windings and/or the inside fuel. Whatever the case something cause intense cooling to create that glassy material.

Given the elusive nature of the "Strange Radiation" and the potential for great reward, may I propose a name for it: Leprecons.

Oh that's good... Open the pod bay door and let them in!

Hi Bob
Any news about the Ytterbium issue? I ask you this because year ago I found unexplicable enrichment of this element (up three order of magnitude) or more correctly speaking an Ytterbium peak on Nickel based samples under XRF analysis.
The original material was a mix of Nickel, Lithium, Aluminium.. hydride of these.
thank for any further information

Thankyou for sharing. I must note that there was no Nickel in the starting materials on LIONs exterior crust and basically no nickel detected there at the end. In addition, as I said in the presentation, Yb was chosen as it had the the 'missing peak' however, not all of the Yb lines were there.

I think that extrapolating from the concepts I will present in 'O Day' maybe the answer will reveal itself.

It might be an idea to send a sample to a specialized lab for an ‘old-fashioned’ chemical analysis. Mass spectrometry could be applied additionally, but if that material is a stable compound it would possibly produce as well inconclusive results.

A “superatom”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Either that, or some other ‚neochemical’ stuff (like Santilli’s „magnecules“).

What’s the mass of the unknown ?

This will have to come much later, as I said in the first video, we are taking the analysis much slower.

ICPMS is a destructive process, MALDI TOF MS is both destructive and can only see masses above say 90 with accuracy.

The material seems to be putting out a different combination of characteristic X-Rays (having been excited by the impinging electron beam) to any known material. So whilst it can locate the area with the anomalous material, by specifying it as 'something', in this case Yb, even though it may not be since it does not have all of the spectra. This indicates that the orbital electrons may not all in be the normal place/state. What are the 'electrons' in this case? Why would some lines be missing? Could they have been replaced by H- or some other heavy fermion?

O Day is coming...

"it's so easy not to find stuff, and you won't even know what you didn’t find"
- Kenneth R Shoulders, 2010

https://uploads.disquscdn.c...

Ahh - everyone has finally caught up with me (but I'd still say my spiral galaxy is better than your spiral galaxy)!!

but yours has two tails and this one has 3!

- thereby hangs a tale!

Schrödinger's C-at

What is going on with LION's Cuprous Oxide and how did it form and why in a glassy phase?

Did Charge Clusters carry ions of Carbon, Oxygen, Deuterons, protons from the core and reactor ceramic in to the highly conductive Copper and deposit them there when the music stopped?

https://youtu.be/r8uz5ZWK8B0

HI BOB,
You are a STAR. the BBC should employ you IMMEDIATELY on a program about the history of Cold Fusion/LENR, and PAY You at least as well as they did PAXMAN.

You are going to LOVE what I found last light, right now I am torn between putting together a presentation, or doing my taxes so I don't pay a late submission fine. I want you guy to see it!

Morning Bob, no taxes required just everybody being rewarded with a pro-rata income based on their contribution to society, millions of people removed from life wasting work in non-productive occupations.
A road sweeper is important, a financial worker and many others wasting their time on pointless jobs just to keep an insane capitalist system functioning, purely for the advantage of manipulating individuals to exercise their greed and selfishness at the expense of others, while contributing nothing to society themselves.
While working on your pointless taxes you could be bringing Cold Fusion to the World and all those waste of time bureaucrats could be doctors, nurses, teachers, or in many other worthwhile professions.
But keeping the rich and powerful, rich and powerful is far more important, but the vast majority are unable to follow the most basic economic, scientific, logic and common-sense.

I really do believe doing my taxes is a COMPLETE WASTE of my life - I am preparing the presentation, what I have found yesterday is beautiful.