please update plans soon.
hopeful and anxious to see results

Me too, I am more optimistic than when I wrote this a month ago.

My annual question to e-catworld: has Rossi produced anything other than vaporware?

Q&A with Rossi like the below makes me less than confident. At least one of the answers must be bull.

Steven Nicholes Karels
July 31, 2022 at 2:13 PM
Dear Andrea Rossi,

As we begin a new month (August 2022), perhaps it is a good time to ask a few questions, which you may choose to reveal the answers…

1. If today, you had 1 million confirmed orders, how long before the first production unit would be shipped?
2. Same conditions … What would you initial monthly production rate be?
3. When would the last of the first 1M units be shipped?

Andrea Rossi
July 31, 2022 at 5:01 PM
Steven Nicholes Karels:
1. 1 week
2. there would be a progression: an integral, not a number
3. 12-18 months
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Willi Meinders
July 31, 2022 at 9:53 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi, we are all urgently waiting for the Ecat-SKLep. One of my readers now asks whether it would not be possible to increase the price of the device by, for example, 20% if this would allow production to start immediately. A circular letter to the existing customers would certainly clarify this quickly.
Kind regards
W. Meinders, coldreaction.net

Andrea Rossi
July 31, 2022 at 10:34 AM
Willi Meinders:
As I already explained, to reach orders for at least one million units id necessary for the economy scale and to avoid a reverse engineering without the necessary compensation. To sell few units, even for a price 100 times higher, would give away technology and know how.
Obviously our investors cannot accept this.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi just signed his post as "Prof", the guy who posts all the Research Gate "full reads". Is this acceptable?
2022-07-23 09:28 Andrea Rossi

@Jack,
Thank you for this important reference,
Best
Prof

"Prof" also includes statistics that apparently only authors can access. It is well known that Rossi uses sock puppets on JONP as admitted in the court case with IH. Is it acceptable? If he is just playing out a fantasy then yes. If he takes money from customers (rather than just order) and it turns out to be fraud then no.

As ever, nobody can be 100% sure either way.

The pre-order targets and concerns over reverse engineering issue are a smoke screen. If the technology worked even half as well as he claimed, he would have already patented every aspect of it, demonstrated it to multiple major corporations and be in the process of pocketing billions in licensing fees.

Exactly Right! That doesn't necessarily mean he has nothing, but it does mean at the very least there are serious issues with it being ready for prime time.

Reading JONP lately, it seems obvious that many posts are just prepared questions by Rossi himself, with layup questions Rossi wants to ask himself. What do people feel about that behavior? Or do people not accept this obvious dishonesty? Is the opinion that it is morally OK to do this? I even remember him signing his own initials for these fake posters. Really disappointing to me. He could have just made the posts with the information he wanted to convey, without the fake post. Does this not affect the "optimism?"

Yes it's a bit quirky at least with the reads of his paper. At least he does answer questions on JONP from real people such as myself.

2022-07-23 09:28 Andrea Rossi

@Jack,

Thank you for this important reference,

Best

Prof

I'm not gona be waiting for ECat any longer. I bought FV instalation

What's an FV installation?

it should be actually PV for Photovoltaics

It is inappropriate to demand proof that the home team will win as a requirement to going out and seeing a sports event. We have a live, front row seat to history, here on this blog. Our team may win. Our team may loose. Enjoy the show or come back later and watch the highlights reel. I guarantee the after-the-fact documentary will be disappointing to those who lived it.

But it is appropriate to expect a sport event to be above board and not totally faked. Unless you are a WWE fan.

Or no sporting event at all.

It's very tempting to debunk Rossi. There has been a lot of good arguments that the output stage is unsatisfactorily explained. Now take a look at the input stage causing a bright light to leak out of the ecat box yet Rossi "proves" that the input power to the ecat is 0.0W. The PS AC input was always 0.7W regardless if the ecat input was connected to the PS output or not. This characteristic is what Rossi calls SSM. He took pride in showing us this during the demo when he temporarily disconnected the red cable (PS output), and invited the viewer to draw their own conclusions re the stable 0.7W . Unless this can be satisfactorily explained Rossi is a step ahead of his critics.

Others on this site have introduced the EVO and made a popular suggestion that the ecat has a Xenon tube inside. We see the apparent ecat performance where its voltage input (with zero or irrelevant current) gives rise to (electron) current out, (as light). Unless there is someone who can explain how this is achieved (for DIY) and better still, duplicate what is happening here, once again Rossi is a step ahead of his critics.

Perhaps the output stage has some unnoticed secrets also.

On the other hand if the ecat contains a less than 100mW LED such that its draw falls below the PS input AC watt meter radar and mounted such that all its light leaks from the bottom just to give the impression that there's a bright HID inside, and the resistor load was not connected so no PVs are required therefore PV performance is not an issue, and the output was simply connected to the input to give us the 12V, then I withdraw the above.

Nobody has connected a meter to it but Rossi.

Talks about LENR being suppressed at 50:00 min.

https://www.bitchute.com/vi...

hmmm .... sorry, don't hear that at 50min

Here's the deal - Ben Franklin said it best: "we must all hang together, or we shall all hang separately."
Putan and XJinping are vultures waiting to pick apart the bones of America, Europe, and Asia if we continue to allow ourselves to be divided by conspiracy theorists. Our common survival must unite is into an impenetrable force!

If you are conspiring to create a revolution, your knowledge of the conspiring falls outside the definition of "theory".

Or maybe only one magic bullet was fired that took out the whole British army and people thought it was a conspriracy.

It is nice to read that you are still optimistic Frank! I just hope that your optimism was triggered by some solid evidence or new experimental data you have witnessed in person. :-) I think that we all wish to see this technology being implemented and demonstrated in some form, and do not want to hear about more plans for new products.

Sorry to be vague, there is some new evidence that makes me more optimistic, but I can't yet say proof. I hope it won't be too long before more evidence is put in the public domain. I continue to be optimistic. I would have lost interest and dropped this site a long time ago if it were not for the continued sense that there is something to the Ecat and related technologies.

Well, some new evidence is more than necessary. So far, we have only seen nonsense like sigma 5, puppets, a led lamp that does not provide the promised performance, partners that bailed out, demonstrations that are far below an elementary school level, Bologna test reports from a friend that turned out not to be valid anymore, and a 1.000.000 number that has to be reached while no serious attempt is made to let the world know what is for sale. I have given up to take this serious anymore.

Frank, I'd consider repurposing ECW to follow other energy advancements & technologies. There are all sorts of interesting things going on with fission nuclear (small modular reactors, molten salt reactors, fast breeder reactors, thorium vs. plutonium vs. uranium etc...). Bruillion has some interesting things going on too. Not sure about Mills & BrLP, since he's been promising and not delivering for 25 years (as opposed to Rossi who has been promising and not delivering for only 11 years). Cover Rossi as a side show, but move the focus to other technologies.

Agreed, that there are many interesting energy technologies which we do discuss here, but this is E-Cat World, so you know the Ecat will probably always be more than just a sideshow.

Frank,
Too many good and qualified investigators putting in much effort into this technology to not be optimistic.

I agree. There are not many ways a new energy source could occur with out violating symmetry and conservation laws. There is a logic to these approaches that we would be remiss to not investigate and explore as they either meet these criteria or explain them. Although nature can always surprise us with something new If we are going to find a world saving energy source and new understanding of physics and nature then this is where should be looking.

EVO's, Exotic Vacuum Objects, appear to demonstrate important entropy changes which will likely be fundamental to the energy future of the world, and probably our Universe. But they are small (tiny). I'm getting the feeling they require thousands, perhaps millions of microscopic dendritic connections to accumulate enough energy to be worthwhile.
Regardless of whether or not Rossi really understands what is going on, the challenges needed to get to GigaWatts are going to require a whole lot more brainpower than Leonardo has shown yet,
This is why I stick to my statement of 3 years ago that this technology needs to be crowd-sourced to ever get anywhere. I am torn between sympathy for the Petrodragon warrior and the enormous need for lower-cost energy.
Left to it's "Great Reset," the WEF (Davos) crowd will continue to enslave our minds and fetter our inventiveness until "1984" will look like a mild joke.

Pun not intended on JONP? "There are certainly many hobbyists who would be happy to do this free of charge.
"

Temperatures and hence wild fires are rising all across the world. When will he comes to the market?. When we would have already burn down the earth. Following his work since 2011 and not a single product or even a promising input/output measure has come out. And I am like a bird on sea ship, comes back to him again and again. How much he need at his age. I hope he comes out of all that greed before it is too late.

I'm pleased that someone is optimistic! I have been following this whole saga for over 10 years, I keep checking in now and then to see if anything has changed. I kind of wish I'd never heard of the e-cat, it would be a great surprise to see it be released. Rossi has backed himself into a corner with the ordering system, people have too many expectations now. That's his biggest mistake so far. Promising to release the e-cat if the orders are sufficient. He could have strung us along for another 10 years or so.

hard to reach 1 million orders if you don't really advertise your product, don't you think? therefore, he might get another 10 years out of us.

Thought I'd repost this because we are at war. The powers that be see us as vermin.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

We have noted the tremendous rise of millions of Chinese from >almost< abject poverty (I say "almost" because the agrarian economy >can< be a s personally satisfying as the life of the young manager in his Tesla.)
They did it by adapting to our (older) principles of letting the peasant keep a small portion of the fruit of his efforts for himself and his family.
But WAR? The Defense Production Act put us on a War footing that was every bit as tyrannical as anything the Chinese Communists every dreamed up. Why did we put up with it? "Self" was denied, we were all for the war effort. (I remember going to Rationing warehouses with my Mom in Maryland.)
I will not comment on the political and social forces that seem to be going a third way in the current US. But crowd-sourcing of innovation seems like a likely cure.

#1 reason countries lose wars:
"War? Where? I do not see any war in my neighborhood!"
Cato the Elder: "The average Roman only cares about the pebble in his shoe."

If the average Roman (thinking for themselves and not listening to "popular" news media) could have voted on Caesar crossing the Rubicon, the Republic might have survived a little longer. Yet, at that point, the glorious duty of the elected officials to "serve" the people of Rome was already giving way to the corrupt form of Kleptocracy that ended by surrendering to the Barbarian hordes from..."near" China.

I think price of 249dollar is way to high, but i might have a solution to this that AR might need to think about. The Ecat is said to work for more than 11 years so if AR can make a finance co believe they can get money back, they can chose not to sell but to rent out a Ecat at 2dollar per month or you can rent a 1mwh at 20000dollar per month. This is important because people use alot of energy over a short timeperiod but on average over a year a house might use 1 to 2kwh (?) but if 500 homes rent 1 mwh container at 20000 dollar they can use average 2kwh of energy and pay only 40dollar per month per home. This way the whole neighborhood would work as a battery storage for eachother. And if AR could offer this rental product, it would be alot easier to sign up rents for the 1mwh Ecat. JMHO...

We need the SKLep to decentralize.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

natural result of banning askarels

Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) are highly carcinogenic chemical compounds, formerly used in industrial and consumer products, whose production was banned by United States federal law in 1978...

Commercial PCB mixtures were marketed under a number of names including Askarel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

PCB's are bad. I'm not sure than power plant transformer leaks were a significant part of the problem.
"Tossing out the good with the bad"

I hear you. But... In this case, the power plant's transformers sit just feet above the Colorado River flowing down stream the length of Arizona, into Mexico, the Colorado River Delta, the Gulf of California (Sea of Cortez) protected marine sanctuaries berthing and nursing a wide variety of mammals, fish, turtles, birds and whale sharks slurping up tons of plankton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
Then on to the Pacific Ocean.

Crikey! If I invented one of the greatest, most desperately needed products of all time, I wouldn't hold it back for a second. I'd release it and let it get copied every-which-way. I'd also set up a gofundme page for anyone who wanted to thank me for my contribution to humanity. I don't think I'd long for anything.

Don't underestimate peoples desire to get something for nothing. And outside of America, few nations citizens, in aggregate, really appreciate people doing and being successful - often people value a thought or an idea greater than delivering that idea and there is an immense gulf between the two. UK culture for instance is often ready to delight in the tearing down of the successful. Often doers have to work on the fringes of what is possible or permitted to achieve a goal and that leads them to be 'justifiable' targets when they have the cash to be one.

The MFMP and its volunteers have only been made possible by the commitment and resources of the volunteers and the contributions of this small community and a very few bigger donors. All in all, it has received in donations about the price of 1 Tesla over ten years. In that same 10 years, Rossi has secured untold amounts from licensees that still have nothing to sell (some sold out during the IH phase), vast amounts of free marketing for products that no one could buy and potentially as much as 10+ million dollars from IH (though he had costs for sure). During the past 10 years, the MFMP has likely had far more money spent on trying to take it down than the external support it has received. Only because of the independent nature of the resources of people like Mathieu Valat, Ryan Hunt, Bob Higgins, Alan Goldwater, LION, Henk Jurrien, David Boutilier etc. has it been able to plough on. But one can only expect so much of individuals.

Even people in this field claim credit for things the MFMP has put into the public domain and yet others have received significant long term financing based off our work ore replication of their work. But the point of the MFMP was to move this science forward not to try and change human nature.

At the end of the day, we and the planet all benefit from seeing this technology reach its potential and I would like to see Rossi do what you say just for that reason alone and to rightly get the credit for his claims when they are realised, it is not like he really needs to have any more money.

Bob,
The event that for me best parallels the possible history of development in the science of LENR is the accidental achievement of the first reported lasing of a device. Previously almost every scientific source declared that lasing was impossible because of thermodynamic noise. However when a group of investigators accidently applied much more than the theoretical power to their device, lasing was observed as the power level overcame the blocking effects of the background noise. Perhaps this has already happened in LENR and just needs to be undeniably exhibited.