Well apparently the answer to my question about the dynamic Casimir Effect to Andrea is a clear no.

It’s a good answer as it is clear.

I wonder though how the ZPE is coupled.

Time will tell I guess. I suspect though at some point it will be one of those things that was there to be seen all along.

The only way that I can see how ZPE can be extracted from the vacuum is through Hawking radiation. To do this, a event horizon is required. Some of this may be occurring in the LENR reaction, but the power density that is now being produced is beyond that produced by plutonium fission. So the energy must be coming from mass to energy conversion at high efficiency.

I think the energy densities he is claiming now is hard to account for even with fusion.

We are left with nucleon decay, ZPE or some other new form of matter state collapse that we have not understood yet.

ZPE is enticing as it has such huge implications but we have to be wary of our selves to be rational about it.

The most important thing is to see that the device works as claimed.

There will be a lot of banging heads I guess then trying to explain it.

But that is great I think. I hope we are there. I really like that nature can still surprise us like this.

ZPE is about the same order of magnitude as chemical energy. The van der Waals potential where chemical energy come from is approximately proportional to ... Casimir forces.

https://youtu.be/x9NBfUXvq_E

By David Bohm's calculation, the formalism for which as withstood determined assault for almost fifty years now, a single cc of 'empty' space binds as much energy as all the matter in the known universe.

Another fail grade Axil.

That calculation was found to be inconsistent with observation.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

It’s called the cosmological constant problem.

Measuring astronomically we have something like 10^-9 J /m2

But this also varies depending on scale.

However from QED, Lorentz covariance and Heisenberg uncertainty principle we have 10^113 J per m2.

It’s the biggest anomaly there is. 122 orders of magnitude different!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Casimir would theoretically be more effected by the latter one would think.

But this issue is very interesting.

I think it can be resolved by Bohm s theory and Heisenberg uncertainty principle It’s a holographic connection through the internal order. The local is connected to the causal whole. It also has implications superposition etc. what this means is it does not matter what volume you look at a m3 a pm3 a parsec3 etc the whole of the causal space energy is available. The energy available is un changed. The amount of energy that can be extracted at any given time though would depend on scale or rather the number of available states in the external order. I like the idea of spin transfer in units if h but It could all still be down to superposition collapse and DE*Dt =h/4pi though.

Astronomical observation shows the effect on the External causal space.

Locally we have a connection to the whole of causal space.through the internal order.

That connection is un resolved spin states or superposition.

That’s why I think the coupling is phase lock spin coupling through the internal order and that due to photon and matter genesis at the so called Big Bang and after we see this as red shift cosmologically and a consequence expansion inflation and dark energy and the Astronomical measured cosmological constant Not the other way round. It’s symmetric preserves conservation laws across that phase space connection.

The issue involved in determining the energy content of the vacuum is the range of the integration of the possible wavelengths of the EMF there are. The range that gives that big result is the Planck length. The assumption is that EMF wavelengths exist down to the Planck length. This many not be true.

The highest energy wavelengths could be longer than the plank length.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

The limit for long wavelengths is the size of the universe itself, while it is thought that the short wavelength limit is in the vicinity of the Planck length

The LENR reaction might resolve this issue because the maximum energy of the EVO could reveal how short that EMF wavelength energy could get... that is when force unification occurs.

Yes that’s interesting.

Actually from the Big Bang perspective the causal space might be the whole of space. But from an event today it might be smaller.

For a photon emission from an event the causal space would propagates the speed of light. For example so after 1 year would be a spherical volume 1 light year in radius. But note that that volume would be causally connected to past events that effected it.

I wonder what limits would apply on the energy in this case.

If would be truly amazing for science if the E-cat can be a tool to measure this effect and perhaps even manipulate it.

It's the so-called 'vacuum catastrophe' innit - greatest discrepancy in all of physics (100 orders!?).

Thing is, you can estimate measure the ambient ZPE density as a function of say Casimir-type effects..

..but prize two NdFeB magnets apart and hold them there, a cm apart - that force you're feeling, performing work against your cellular proton pumps, is momentum quanta being exchanged between the confined polarised charges via the intermediary of the vacuum..

..charges don't interact with one another, but only via the virtual photon interactions their relative accelerations summon from the ZPE.

Now consider the ZPE density around the environs of a magnetar..

Now suppose you could simply switch off the magnetic interaction between those permanent magnets in your hand - you could allow them to attract together, harnessing that F*d, then switch off the force and return them to their initial d and now the energy density of your ZPE-extracting exploit is simply a function of that output integral minus the cost of switching the field... obvs you can't actually do that so easily, but point is the energy density of an OU generator is essentially an arbitrary function of material limits; the more you're willing to put in, the greater the potential yields (energy squaring with velocity divergence of the input FoR, not simply summing linearly). How much energy density to you want / need / are willing to be within 10 ft of..?

There is a corollary issue that IS of concern tho, and that's re. conservation in the broader picture - for instance if some Dyson-esque notional alien tech could harness the energy of a magnetar in asymmetric EM interactions then.. god knows what they'd want that much energy for, but.. how long could the universe keep up that resupply? Is the ZPE even resupplied at all? What if there's a finite recharge rate? What if there's no recharge? What if our rate of time itself is a function of the local ZPE density, per relativity? Would we even be able to detect the slow-down as we deflated our own timespace? This is why i like big rip scenarios, they just simplify the whole doom-mongering thing; this part of the universe gets a little heavier or lighter and boom! - everything regauges / collapses into a singularity, equilibrium restored. Reality of course is that the question of fundamental sustainability of OU techs is, for now, counting angels on pinheads; all i know is, if every step in an OU interaction depends upon CoE and CoM holding precisely as they're supposed to in their respective FoR's, then the result is an ultimate validation of CoE / CoM, and the exact opposite of any suggestion of creation ex nihilo. No free lunch, no actions without consequences, or any number of other cod laws of unintended consequence..

There has been no observation of the full potential of the implicate order since the big bang.

Does the dynamical Casimir effect play some role in the ZPE extraction.

https://res.mdpi.com/d_atta...

If there are oscillation at the scale where the Casimir force is effective perhaps something like this is stimulated.

Could we get 20 kW or even 5 kW if ZPE like this on condensed clusters?

This would be something like 10^23 eV/s

Could something like an eV of energy be extracted per electron per oscillation cycle like this for example?..

EM radiation and photon pairs have

E=hf /2

So it relates to h.

Since h is a constant.

Higher frequency higher amount of energy per second too.

Heisenberg uncertainty principle relating uncertainty in Energy and Time may
Play a role too.

Also interesting:

http://hector.elte.hu/budap...

If cluster birth / death cycle is the asymmetric interaction, then the peak energy that a cluster can output is a function of its initial compression times the Coulomb constant; assuming sanctity of the Coulomb barrier this sets a ceiling on max output energy per cluster breakdown; the efficiency then becoming a function of how much discount you can obtain on the input side of the interaction, condensing the clusters in the first place - if some input energy must inevitably be dissipated in the process then 100% discounts are off the cards, so you're left with raising the no. of clusters, shortening the input timeframes, increasing CPS etc.

Soz i'm not bothering to try put numbers on any of this yet, just navigating from first principles / dead reckoning for now.. really need to know whether these clusters somehow simply 'give off' free energy during their condensed period, or rather, cost less to produce than they generate as they expire.. because that's the phase when you have displacement, by the Coulomb repulsion, and thus 'output work' being done by the universe upon the apparatus, and likewise the RF shock is obviously the input phase performing work against Coulomb repulsion when forming clusters..

If these electron clusters ARE condensates (ie. with coherent / bosonic field properties), perhaps this phase transition somehow shortcuts the Coulomb repulsion - in the best traditions of Bruce Lee, 'fighting without fighting!' - or perhaps short timeframes game the wavefunction to bias higher densities from positional uncertainties - either way, dodging input work, for a full and nominal (ie. not 'excess') yield of output work?

Why does Ultra Dense Matter generate dirac spinors from light?

The key is to provide enough time for the light and the electrons to reach the same energy level. The electrons and the light must be confined in the same place for a long time so that they can effect each other in a way that they reach the same temperature. A crack can be a place where this energy mixing can take place. But the electron cloud that floats above ultra dense matter is a wonderful place where light and electrons can come together and become entangled.

In the volume just outside the positive core of the UDM, light is trapped along with the electrons that are attracted to the positive core. But the meissner effect keeps these electrons and light photon out of the positive core. The meissner effect expels all emf from the positive core of UDM. Because of this trapping, these two types of EMF are forced to interact inside this electron shell for a long time.

Superconductors may be considered perfect diamagnets, and completely expel magnetic fields due to the Meissner effect when the superconductivity initially forms; thus superconducting levitation can be considered a particular instance of diamagnetic levitation.

Both magnetism and negative charge are expelled from the positive core. This zone of long term emf mixing allows electrons and photons to become spinors when electrons and photons become entangled.

Well coming up to eleven years since Rossi first claimed a high output energy device.
In that time not a single open repetition by a third party, or an open verifiable demonstration by himself of even the most basic conformation.
The world is crying out for a cheap energy device to save lives and the enviroment, for his own reasons he does not seem to give a damn for such things, allowing him to share that knowledge (if genuine).
I will not be keeping a glass of Red handy for this latest Wizard of Oz show.
Good luck to MFMP and all other caring people trying to find the answer.

George
Make sure you have a bottle
in case you do need it.

Morning Sam, as you say been here many years, tolerated many attacks from non-thinkers including a long spell with maryyugo.
The number of comments showing people who have no idea of caring and sharing in this sad World never changes, my comment is based on where Cold Fusion would be now if Rossi had shared his initial findings for others to Research and develop.
These people seem to disagree and think that selfishness is good.
This is a massive fault in our society and people would need to be more
than blind to not see the suffering and deaths resulting from it.
As I have said many times Rossi should have then been well and fairly rewarded for his work and given labs and workers to continue, but it would have allowed thousands of other scientists to move forward quickly, hopefully.
Only when Cold Fusion is helping to save and improve lives of the most needy will I be Happy.
Others can think as they like but if this further information from Rossi does not release the knowledge then I will continue to criticise.
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Dirty water and poor sanitation kills over 5000 children every day.
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I am sorry that you cannot follow the simple logic and apparently do not care about people suffering, but that is your right.
Goodbye

Wrong; january 2011,only nine years; why are you here? If you don't trust andrea rossi, simply don't follow his work.Do not loose your precious time.

Rossi has claimed a high output energy device since 2008. His first patent application was submitted 0n April 9, 2008, followed soon after by an international application.

High COPs of up to 415 (May 28, 2008, 0.2 kWh input with 83 kWh output) were reported from 2008 experiments in the 2010 Focardi-Rossi paper.

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George is here because he has
always been here.One of the
Originals.Takes a while but you
get to like George.

I am following Andrea Rossi from january 2011; before on 22 pass blog by daniele passerini who was the first blog in the world to talk about Rossi. He is a friend of professor Levi in Bologna University. I have nothing against George. I respect everybody. So i can give my opinion on everything. And my opinion is: You can criticize Rossi for his strategy, for his strong character, for his paranoia, for NDA agreement, but not fot the amount of time we are waiting to see a cat on the table. It is a very hard work, and he has been in the storm for years, so time is not the right key. Maybe i am wrong.

I think you are right.
Rossi giving his technology
to Scientists to work with
might have worked but it
might have been a flop.
Rossi developing the ECat
himself along with hired
specialist in different areas
was the wisest thing to do.

Also wrong as the Lugano experiment, 2014, was a third party test and the Penon report on Doral, 2015-16, was by a third party based on data from the instrumentation that Penon chose and placed while multiple cameras recorded all the activities in the trailer.

I think George meant the ‘open’ part when he typed it.

Besides, how much of the 32 days in Lugano did the Professors attend to the device?

And why was the Doral camera footage lost or damaged beyond use for discovery in the pre-trial phase of the lawsuit against IH?

I don’t know anything about what APCO does or does not do, but the top is where new posts normally go,

Sure....

Are you so determined to be critical that you're blind to all that's happened over those eleven years and have forgotten everything that has been verified by third parties. Just because other people don't do what you think they should when you think they should doesn't make them bad or wrong, and if you just can't wait why don't you go do something yourself to fix the planet.

In hindsight Georgehants the journey could be important but I am an optimist

Wilfried Babelotzky
August 26, 2020 at 5:57 AM
Dear Andrea,

how can you explain to a layman where the energy of the E-Cat SKL comes from?
It’s not a chemical reaction, it’s not a fission and it’s not a fusion, what is it?
Could one say that the properties of electrons are used to withdraw energy from atoms? Then the “used” atoms would have to have a lower energy level and thus also changed properties, right?
I believe that for the theory and the results to be widely recognized there must be a simplified model in order to explain it “not entirely wrong”, for example like Bohr’s atomic model.

Best wishes
Wilfried

Andrea Rossi
August 26, 2020 at 10:31 AM
Wilfried Babelotzky:
I have already explained it in my paper
http://www.researchgate.net...
See the Conclusions to make it shorter and simpler, albeit superficial.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It is almost like someone else wrote this paper and Rossi has no idea about what those ideas in that paper mean? Maybe what the real purpose of this latest paper is indented to do is to deflect reasonable questions about unbelievable claims.

Maybe what Rossi should honestly answer " I just don't know",

The 'conclusions' of the paper presents three different prospective mechanisms which each attempt to explain why Coulomb repulsion between electrons may be balanced at the picometric scale..

IOW possible causes for the observed effects..

If you can freely balance the force involved in an interaction with some other force, then you've unlocked the basis of an asymmetric interaction: this second force essentially subsidising your input costs.. so for instance you could close the distance between electrons, compressing them, for less energy than would be output by their subsequent mutual repulsion, thus yielding closed-loop energy gains. The interaction with this primary field has been symmetrical; the free work provided by the secondary field.

Since he's only mentioning an effect that attenuates a fundamental force, and keeps referring back to this as the putative excess energy source, perhaps he thinks it's sufficient to merely frame the source of the asymmetry, without needing to garden-path us as to how to harness it; the objective being asymmetric interactions, it's just 2+2.. if you found you could freely balance magnetic force, or gravity, how long would it take you to realise this was a potential basis for engineering asymmetric interactions? Get a free boost uphill then slide back down.. again, again!..

..warming to a theme here:

• so all the 'magic' would happen in the instant that the input shock is applied - this causes clusters to condense / precipitate from the plasma, performing work against their mutual electrostatic repulsion, but with a helping hand from some flavour of underverse pixie dust..

• everything else from thereon is 'just engineering' rather than controversial new physics; the clusters dissociate like an unloading spring, releasing more energy than has been input by the apparatus

TL;DR - cluster formation is subsidised by ZPE hence releasing more energy in their expiration than applied in their generation. Think i suggested this the other week actually; have we been dragged so far thru the thicket of LENR, CMP and particle zoos we're blinded to the most obvious, simple & straightforward form of exploit: lift something when its light and drop it when it's heavy, derp?

This seems a fairly punchy question someone could put to Rossi; ie. is cluster formation / expiration essentially an asymmetric EM interaction, as understood?

I would certainly favour a simple explanation. But that’s because I can only wrap my head around the simplest things. As they say ‘if you can’t explain it in terms that a child/simpleton/me can understand then you don’t really understand it.

Einstein did his best to explain relativity, a well tested theory at this point, to all concerned without any particular success in the first few years, not because it was hugely complicated but because it was a completely counter intuitive view of the nature of things that broke with pretty much everyone's assumptions.

"It is almost like someone else wrote this paper and Rossi has no idea about what those ideas in that paper mean?"

Alternatively Rossi did write a paper that Axil doesn't understand because it violates his assumptions.

We should also note that LRPI predates the SK/SKL and we have Rossi's comments since it was written as the hardware based on that theory developed, that hardware breaks a lot of assumptions about what is possible and still contains elements of mystery because it appears to be using some of Bohm's 'hidden variables' in its operation.

New ground, new physics, new emergent understanding on Rossi's part. We're close enough to this that the fundamental weirdness has lost its bite through repeated exposure without bringing understanding yet, and I don't expect that to change much even after there is irrevocable proof of functionality because our cultural models are at risk.

I would venture that those who are deeply steeped in Bohm's view of things will have a leg up in 'getting it'.

I’m starting to think that there’s something not quite right about a lot of things. Starting from Maxwell’s addition to Ampere’s equation and by extension Einstein. Also there is a hidden time parameter in Planck-Einstein equation E = hf. This has massive implications for how we understand lots of things. Most directly things like ‘what is a photon?’. So everyone could be wrong about everything. There’s more than one way to skin a cat so the saying goes. The maths can work out in multiple different ways. Each way has a different meaning.

Regardless of whether Bohm’s interpretation turns out to be the correct one there is one thing that he proved and that is that you can get the same results by starting from completely different assumptions. That’s why Oppenheimer had to ignore him rather than prove him wrong. Perhaps Rossi may turn out to kind of demonstrate the limitations of theory altogether. It can only ever be a guide to practice. It should never constrain it. In fact the whole field of LENR is a demonstration of that. That’s not to say that we can progress without theories. Theories can motivate you to look in the first place. But theories should never stop you from seeing what it’s was you WASN’T looking for either. They will. But they shouldn’t. We should aim to stay open to possibilities. How we manage to keep the balance is a matter of judgement. That’s an art.

As far as I’m concerned you have interesting things to say and so does Axil. I’m learning loads from just knocking about here. Stuff about things I never even thought I had any interest in knowing. If LENR turns out to be true then this site, as well as all the experimenters and theorisers - no matter how wrong they turn out to be - will go down as legend in the annals of human history. So put on your Sunday best, pose for prosperity, and don’t go down as the opinionated guy haranguing those who have the temerity to question. Even if they are questioning Rossi. Without a certain degree of scepticism no one would be here on this site at all.

I’m not saying ‘play nice’. Your aggressive mode of argument may very well spur Axil on to greater heights for all I know. Take comfort in the fact that nature will almost certainly prove everyone wrong. Not totally. The maths will still work out. The physics will still work. Satellites won’t fall out the sky. But what it all means. That’s a different thing. Just because Rossi has - allegedly - got something working according to some ‘theory’ doesn’t entail that he has any more understanding of what he is actually doing than primitive man had with fire. Maybe Axil has some interesting criticism’s. Even if the footing upon which Axil’s critique is based should crumble beneath him the criticism may still stand. Who knows?

What is energy? Where does it come from? Where does it go? And then the real question. Why? There’s so much handwaving going on that I’m amazed we’re not all flying around like hummingbirds. If LENR is the new fire then I think that we are the new primitives. Let’s just face it we have NO idea of what it is we are unleashing here. Or what it is in itself. All we can really know is that it has something fundamental about it. Something that may very well change our whole way of looking at what the word ‘nature’ means. And there I think I agree with you.

Its been a fascinating journey. I think thats why we are all still here.

We, collectively, are turning to an empirical exploration of our relationship with the implicate order across many disciplines and this shift has enormous implications for a more comprehensive and fundamental understanding of both ourselves and the holomovement.

I favour angular momentum coupling but...

Could the pixie dust be simply from Casimir forces as the matter oscillates between H(1) and H(0) state?

Or from some other oscillation in condensed state perhaps associated with the ion rotation where the Casimir forces is playing a role

Would that exploitation of Casimir forces manifest as exchange of angular momentum?

Or could it manifest quantum superposition collapse in some way?

His answer to CC today seems to imply he thinks it is playing a role for ZPE extraction as well as the e cluster formation that we have read about before.

..the principle itself of applying one force to attenuate another is trivial - basic motor theory - the key point being that while simply rendering a force field costs little work/energy in principle, any work it subsequently performs (in terms of displacements against it) applies a corresponding load back to the field source/generator; so in the case of an electric motor that input-output coupling is provided by Lenz's law.

So the implicit claim is that generation of the clusters is assisted by free work from the ZPE, uncoupled from the input workload.

All the guff about LRPI and AB effects etc. are attempts at leaping-off points for explanations, but for this core effect, i suspect..

As ever, the prospect i find most piquant re. momentum coupling is the possibility of switching inertial frames, and, thus, the input vs output metrics of 'velocity' and thus energy.. however auto-acceleration of the input FoR also arises via an effective Lenz's law violation.. and i suspect this might be a good handle on the anomaly.. ie. cluster formation being effectively Lenz-less, but not dissolution..

Regarding: "auto-acceleration"

In a nuclear reaction, neutrons beget more neutrons, This is strong force amplification.

In a LENR reaction, spinors beget more spinors. This is weak force amplification.

..in an asymmetric strong interaction you'd perform less work against gluons than they output in return over a given displacement cycle; ditto for w/z - in either case the gain being equal to the integral of the coupling constant multiplied by the inbound vs outbound dV/dT.

Very short time intervals may thus challenge CoE by playing coupling constants against uncertainty relations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

http://hector.elte.hu/budap...

Goldmine of reference material - tho i can't read all those squiggly lines meself.. if it nails the magnetic moment to 10 decimals from 1st principles it's arguably the nearest thing to a certainty..

Casimir effects are displacements by asymmetric +/- VP interactions.

Over-unity EM effects are also displacements by asymmetric exchanges of +/- virtual momenta.

Same effects, different causes.

Rossi's obvs trying to frame things in terms of accepted literature, but if you found you could out-accelerate repulsion when pushing two magnets together, the form of output energy is still the regular, classical magnetic F*d - the real-time exchange of VP flux - the energy 'gain' being the savings made on input and the vacuum's resulting deficit of negatively-signed momentum.

The oscillation (what ever form it takes) might be key to extracting the energy from The so called ZPE and generating the apparent EM space over unity energy.

A single collapse might not do it for sustained durations.

The other effects AB effect, LRPI etc are needed to set up the conditions where the cluster or of Rydberg matter can condensate so that Casimir forces play a role. He has said that all 3 effects are needed.

To optimize oscillation we may need a very specific environment not too dense not to deep but just enough for the Casimir effect to play a role.

I suspect the AB effect helps corral the effect localized increasing density.

The magnetic, coulomb and Casimir clustering effects are perhaps optimized in this locations due to increased density and coupling and coherence in this locations

LRPI may play a role In the particle state coherence in these condensed states

Perhaps then the excess energy is associated with the oscillation in of the structure In association with Casimir Effect and The so called ZPE. So any energy radiated as excited electrons is compensated by ZPE extraction?

I’m still of the view that’s there is a symmetry conservation and a energy sink in the causal space that this is linked to either directly or by superposition through resonant h interaction across internal order. But that’s a secondary point all be it with interesting implications.

But perhaps that is how the so called ZPE Is extracted.

Could so much ZPE be extracted this way though?

He has said a large dV/dt is required too for the cluster formation. So probably I’m missing some aspects. I wonder what impact that might have on an AB potential from a set of nano spikes?

Sufficiently high input speeds may incur Schrodinger and Heisenberg limits on key variables in energy terms - perhaps opening the window for an asymmetric exchange of +/- momenta (in terms of VP flux) during cluster formation.. bashically out-accelerating Coulomb repulsion and thus gaining from the Coulomb constant * time as the clusters dissolve in nominal time.

As ever, the output phase of the interaction is entirely ordinary and proceeds observing all requirements of CoM and CoE; it is the input phase that is effectively discounted, by the time-asymmetric (positive) exchange of system momentum with VP interactions - the electrons essentially gaining inbound momentum during cluster formation, accelerating their FoR and manifesting as a PE gain - the cluster now having more energy than has been input to it; precisely the right amount of energy having been input and output in the respective FoR's..

Think i'm starting to get a feel for it - provided i'm right that it's formation and dissolution of the clusters that is the asymmetric interaction (I < O) - as opposed to say, excess work performed by the clusters during their lifetimes - if the gain interaction is an asymmetric birth / death cycle of the clusters, then fast input time-frames may be the key to manipulating symmetry of +/- VP interactions..

So let me see if I've got you correctly, you think that Rossi's theory is wrong and you won't 'believe' that the SKL does what Rossi says it does until he gives you unfettered access to everything.

Let me take a wild stab in the dark here, do you completely understand Rossi's LRPI paper? I'm guessing that an honest response is no.

That puts you in the very large group of people, including me of course, that don't understand it either versus the vanishingly small number of folks that understand most of it and the couple of folks, including Rossi, that do understand the paper. Then there's the next level, having grasped this conceptually and gotten your head around all of the math and it's implications can you build an SKL based on those insights?

Suddenly we're down to one guy and it's not you.

It took several decades to build the number of folks that genuinely understood the theory of relativity up to a respectable total and it wasn't for lack of trying. In the first few years Einstein acknowledged two, maybe three other people who he thought completely got it.

We're now on the fifth generation plasma device which, as Rossi has repeatedly said to us, is a product of the LRPI theory in its co-evolution with the hardware. The ideas have preceded the hardware; the hardware, and now software, have been developed from the theory.

Usually when somebody has an idea for a functional object and the object functions as planned some credit is given to the person able to marry theory and results, and make consistent progress towards improving the functional object, and gains credibility through accomplishing this.

That's why I repeatedly challenged you, and Bob, to build a functional high COP device based on your ideas. I haven't seen any hardware yet or a guiding working theory like LRPI from either of you, nor, frankly, do I expect to. What I do see is a lot of deflection and a very sloppy grasp of the few fundamentals that we are privy to.

You state point blank that your ideas are correct and Rossi is wrong about how his devices work even though Rossi makes no such absolutist statements at this juncture as he is very aware of treading completely fresh ground.

So, do what you demand of Rossi and build something new based on your ideas and subject your new device to all the protocols that you want from Rossi and prove that you are correct to my satisfaction by building useful durable products with high COPs.

I genuinely wish you success but I will be deeply shocked if you succeed because if this was in you you'd be busy doing it.

If i were to give Rossi a grade on his theory, he would get about 40%. The pico cluster idea is correct because we have seen it at work in LION. But how "electron clusters" form is contrary to establish nanoplasmonic theory. He also does not understand Holmlid's material.

The main actor in the Rossi reaction is the weak force that he does not cover at all. The weak force is what acts at a long range. He does not explain how the weak force can act at long range which is the foundation of the whole reaction.

If Rossi understood how the weak force acts, then he could tap into existing theory that covers this subject: Grand force unification, This revelation would they inform him about where his reaction gets its energy. In the standard model, forces are what cause things to happen, not particles.

There is lots of material on GUT if you want to understand the LENR reaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

There are many many people who understand GUT. GUT is what everybody wants to produce. It is very easy to understand. The things that Holmlid sees is what GUT does. First of all, it is the decay of the proton. This is where all those energy and muons that Holmlid sees are coming from.

Rossi does not invent from theory, he invents from trail and error.

Rossi has a talent that I do not have. He has a way of extracting money to finance his inventing. He is very talented in that regard. This ability is very important in the inventing game.

And he is obsessed with his inventions to the point of mania. A genius needs to be obsessive, and as you know I am not a genius. But being an obsessive genius does not make Rossi correct.