Gian
June 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM
Dear Andrea,
in your answer to Heinz Sause you use the plural: “we are working”; so we learn that more people are working with you during these preliminary tests carried out via Skype.
Responding to your customers’ requests to highlight different ways of operating the SKL, are you acting with the assistance of other collaborators present with you in Europe, or do you benefit from the assistance of your team members in the USA?
a) In this period of forced stay outside Sweden, are you continuing the development of SKL with the intention of improving performance?
b) Do you limit your work to obtain better system reliability?
Have you achieved any improvement in performance and / or reliability during this period?
I regret that the latest news reports that Sweden has not yet reached the peak of Co-Vit.
Patience! … You will be able to make the best use of this delay.
As always I still wish
Warm Regards,
Gian

Andrea Rossi
June 12, 2020 at 8:53 AM
Gian:
I am working everyday in “remote contact” ( what an oxymoron !) with my collaborators in the USA and in Europe.
a) yes
b) yes and yes
Thank you for your kind attention to our work
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Gerard McEk
June 12, 2020 at 2:32 PM
Dear Andrea,
Just a few questions:
1. Are the hands on testing on the ECat SKL already started?
You told us that you are still working very hard.
2. Can you tell us what type of work you are doing?
Thank you and stay healthy.
Kind regards, Gerard

Andrea Rossi
June 12, 2020 at 4:40 PM
Gerard McEk:
1- If you mean our hands on the Ecat SKL, yes, if you mean other hands, not yet.
2- We are maintaining in operation different types of Ecat SKL, with different configurations, to improve the reliability and doing other operations that are confidential, but always with the target to improve the Ecat SKL. And I must say that we are doing very well.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Can anyone comment on this
post about safety certification?

Sam
June 7, 2020 at 6:42 PM
Hello DR Rossi

I received an EMail from someone
who has knowledge of safety certification
and this is what they said.

As of today, there is no approved industry standard that could be applied to a “virtual particle/zitterbewegung” reactor. Any standard would have to go through several ANSI/ASTM/IEEE/NEMA/UL/CSA/etc. committees to be drafted, reviewed, and approved. This alone would take 18 to 24 months.
. I know, because I used to review nuclear safety standards. No “potential customer” of any kind could legally buy one of Rossi’s devices or operate it in any environment without a safety cert. For example, if anything went wrong, their insurers would refuse to pay any claim.

Can you comment on this?

Regards
Sam

Andrea Rossi
June 8, 2020 at 2:21 AM
Sam:
I am afraid your “someone who has knowledge of safety certification” has a quite shaky knowledge of safety certifications, as well as of nuclear physics.
The safety certification is based on precise measurements of specific parameters related to safety, like, for example, ionizing radiations, etc., not on theoretical hypothesis of Physics, right or uncorrect as they might be.
Besides, the zitterbewegung is not a virtual particle, not to mention the fact that it is not a nuclear effect, because it involves electrons, not nuclea, as you can understand here:
http://www.researchgate.net...
Should the things that are subject to “zitterbewegung” of electrons be not certifiable, then nothing in this world could be certified, because, as Dirac discovered, all electrons have the zitterbewegung and they are part of every product existing in the world.
Last, but not least: we obtained the safety certification.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Hi Sam, I think the only comment that needs to be made is congratulations: Last, but not least: we obtained the safety certification.

Some idea of how manufacturing ECat SKL might look like.

Sam
June 6, 2020 at 8:05 AM
Hello DR Rossi

You said manufacturing an ECat
could be compared to making a TV.
Here is a video on manufacturing cameras.

https://youtu.be/1vgnPxG84Bk

Regards
Sam

Andrea Rossi
June 6, 2020 at 10:32 AM
Sam:
Yes, I think you got it. I think that is a good model.
With more robotizations, though. For example, the soldering lines can be better if robotized, either for quality and production costs.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

A.R. Is 70

Mark U
June 2, 2020 at 7:48 PM
Dear Andrea,
By now it should be the very early hours of the morning, on June 3rd.
If I’m not mistaken, this is a very special day.
I would like to wish you a joy filled birthday!
Imagine, seventy years of adventure and progress!
Thank you for your example of hard work, perseverance through ups and downs, and inspired thinking.
You have been an example of “seek and you shall find ; knock and the door will be opened”.
Thank you!
Mark U
PS I’ve read from an ancient book that an ancient people entered a certain promised land after seventy years of some rough adventures. :)

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Andrea Rossi
June 3, 2020 at 1:59 AM
Mark U:
I am delighted to receive your wishes !
Thank you and
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Does the E-cat use tungsten?

“Amid the COVID-19
crisis and the looming economic recession, the Tungsten market worldwide will
grow by a projected 28.6 Thousand Metric Tons, during the analysis period.”

https://www.marketwatch.com...

Frank Acland
May 31, 2020 at 10:52 AM
Dear Andrea,

Is the E-Cat SKL developed to a point where you would be happy to have a third party test it hands-on, when circumstances permit. Or does it need further development before reaching that moment?

Many thanks,

Frank Acland

Andrea Rossi
May 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM
Frank Acland:
We are ready for that, provided a due agreement is done.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi is confident that the SKL is technically ready for third party testing in the context of having put it through its paces over the course of months while addressing the concerns of a number of parties, via video conferencing and shared telemetry from instrumentation, as these concerns were addressed through live experiments.

The last time Frank asked how the SKL was performing Rossi still had reservations and was still updating hardware components including inadequacies revealed in some of the materials; that he no longer has these reservations implies that the upgrades have been successful and that the clients and representatives of the certification authority are satisfied that the SKL meets the technical goals mutually agreed to and so now the final hands on validation is ready to proceed.

We might surmise that there are still impediments presented by the pandemic that are awaiting resolution so the hands on testing can proceed with an appropriate measure of safety. All in all the news that the SKL is now ready for these tests is a very positive development.

I would say that with the right precautions, 3rd party people could connect their instruments and test the Ecat SKL easily.
Two things I can think of may hold this up:
1. Possibly Andrea with his imperfect health, doesn’t want to be in the same room with anyone, except his wife.
2. It may be that these 3rd party test people cannot travel to where Andrea is right now. (In that case I would say he is in Italy).

We are ready for that, provided a due agreement is done.

OK... What would A. R.'s stipulations/requirements be put in such an agreement?

I hope one of them is that Rossi is not involved while testing is
being done by a legitimate
3rd party tester.

A company that has replicated Mizuno process seems well on its way to give the world LENR generated heat:
https://mizunotech.com/inde...

Great that there is a company formed for commercializing the Mizuno heater. Are we seeing a company that soon will come up with a LENR product? Or will it be just another one at the rim of launching but having difficulties taking the final step. The more companies the higher probability that the world will one day have LENR products.

The live Mizuno thread is here:

https://e-catworld.com/2020...

Lets keep this thread for Andrea,

Hi Lion, most of the ECW readers will not frequently look to older treads. Although maybe not belonging the subject, bringing a new item to the latest tread will reach a larger number of readers.

For sure it is an important post, I was very interested to Note what ALAN ( SMITH ) said here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/...

Would the Always Open Thread be suitable?

Maybe, but I have no idea by whom (everyone?) and how often that tread is frequented. Maybe Frank can tell.

Thanks for sharing, Gerard. I have made a new post about Mizuno Technology Inc. The always open thread is quite popular with some of our regular readers, and a good place to share breaking news and announcements.

Thanks Frank. I will do next time (if I don’t forget it). :)

This is a good result FRANK, as I am sure both BOB and Magicsound will have more Data to share soon.
Looking forward to more developments from Japan too.

One thing that does happen is Frank promoting comments from the Always Open Thread to make entire new posts.

The fact that Rossi even acknowledged this term "strange radiation" makes me thing EVEN MORE that we'll never see a product from Rossi. He's starting to really play to the woo woo crowd. Not a good sign.

Alternatively let's consider a rational response to this factoid, SKLs are intended for both domestic and industrial applications and in the process for domestic certification every possible risk is going to be evaluated from a perspective of liability in an insurance matter, after all that industry funds and certifies UL etc., UL literally stands for Underwriters Laboratories.

It is inevitable that the prospect of strange radiation is going to come up along with every other possible radiation risk and every concern will have to be addressed in order to attain certification. So the interesting part is that Rossi thinks Parkhomov is doing good work, and that, having taken Parkhomov's experiences with strange radiation seriously, Rossi now understands the conditions that can lead to strange radiation occurring. He has the SKL operating in conditions that don't cause strange radiation and has also provided shielding to contain strange radiation within the SKL to address any insurance industry concerns.

I'm with you in one sense in that I was awaiting conclusive experimental data for strange radiation before entertaining the idea that it was an issue for Ecats. Rossi's response when asked was always that the Ecats don't produce strange radiation rather than excluding the possibility of strange radiation occurring in other circumstances, now we know why he made that distinction.

So at the demo, when the SKL looks like a lump of aluminum foil with wires going into it, this is why.

Frank
Have you thought of a follow
up to this reply?

Frank Acland
May 27, 2020 at 12:04 PM
Dear Andrea,

Have you started making plans yet for the public presentation?

Kind regards,

Frank Acland

Andrea Rossi
May 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM
Frank Acland:
Yes.
E-Catworld will be involved.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Yes, I am going to try and find out what we can do.

I hope that moment that you can so something is coming soon Frank!
Please stay healthy, otherwise Andrea doesn’t want you on stage :)

Frank can always use a puppet as a stand in. :-)

Off topic:
Norwegian oil company invests in fusion energy.
https://www.equinor.com/en/...
They have obviously no idea what is about to come.

See nothing strange here.
Rossi is not alone in this project.
He has admitted that it is 3rd partys that will bring the product to the market.
So surely a preventive safety measure to meet the safety requirements of the manufacturers.

It is not thickness but the number of impedance changes that are important. One layer of Al provides an additional 2 impedance changes, however EVOs do interact with Al seemingly to a high degree, that is why I made my SR shield for Super NOVA experiments, based on discussion comments on 3rd October 2018 by Alexander Shishkin and the work of Shoulders, out of Polystyrene, Cellophane and Aluminium foil.

We need to keep researcher like Rossi safe, we have lost too many already.

https://youtu.be/8bJm6-OIXNw

I hope he is now using a BDT bubble detector, as these are the ones we detected emissions from in GS experiments, and are the correct ones to use in Rock crushing experiments (something we failed to do). In the SK live demo, he was using the wrong type.

What is the diameter of typical EVO’s when they occur?

I guess smaller than 10um though.

I’m curious if a foil of less thickness than a typical EVO diameter would be particularly effective at disrupting it? Especially if larger EVO’s are the more problematic ones.

Or does the thickness need to be larger than the EVO diameter to be effective?

Or rather than the EVO diameter it self is it the volume (Or thickness) of a larger region of the foil that is disrupted by the EVO that is relevant?

EVOs have a field around them, they also have centres. They seam to often burrow to 50% of their diameter, perhaps in the absence of an external field. Sometimes, they can borrow through materials such as Alumina. If they accumulate in metal, it appears as if they can disrupt the metal lattice bonds and the metal looses its rigidity - kind of like non-Newtonian materials/rubbery slime, if the melting point is low (which is a function of the lattice electron bond strength). Aluminium is classic in Hutchison Effect samples for exhibiting this effect.

They can be many scales from extremely small, sub micron to 100um (even bigger if you consider ball lightning as a super cluster).

Typical quanta identified are 1, 5, 20, 50, 200, 800, 1600um but the population is skewed towards the smaller scales.

Why only 50% in? Is it because they are like magnets and change poles half way thorough?

This was interesting on magnetism and the aether spin. His demos remind me of braithwait. The opposing threads of a turnbuckle move together and block at the centre even though spinning the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And a nice demo of how opposing spin can account for magnets behaviour:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

OK, wearing tin hat should be enough

Aluminium foil is better, tin is not as conductive and has a much higher Z. EVOs as shown by Hutchison, REALLY like to interact with Al.

A material consists of aluminum and bismuth together (both of exceptional purity) was found at one of UFO crash sites. Couldn't remember the source.

This

In addition to the attractiveness of Al of EVOs

EVOs are HIGHLY magnetic in white form.

There is no more diamagnetic material than Bismuth, that means EVOs are repelled from it and vice versa.

So, if I bombard a sheet of bismuth with EVOs... will it move/float (Newton's third law)? And what will happen if I shoot EVOs between two layers of bismuth...? Would they work as a waveguide for EVOs?

It may waveguide them, strong magnets will repel bismuth, there are plenty of youtube videos you can look at demonstrating this.

When Hutchison pointed his Ray Gun at Bismuth, it exploded, it appears as if there were fission products, I await an opportunity to test some. Bismuth is technically unstable, but it is one of the most stable primordial isotopes.

Sound like a job for MuMetal foil, like CoNetic or other magnetic shielding material.

Tinfoil hat for the E-cat, got to love that response. I would guess that the insulation has a foil outer layer already. I doubt there was any active effort toward that issue.

So on top of using assumption (waves) based Standard Quantum Mechanics, as the base of his personal theory, now Rossi is adding to the confusion another misinterpreted phenomenon, "strange radiation" and even using that secondary layer of assumption to lead him into increasing the amount of tweaking done to his device. This alone dooms Rossi to keep increasing the amount of tweaking required to get the E-Cat to even work at anything like the lab version. All that tweaking might get it to work as a lab version for a few seconds at the most, since a lab version can include everything and anything, including the kitchen sink, to make it seem to work.

Here I have been pointing out, for a few years now, what will for sure make the E-Cat work, that being the use of Mills', the Grand Unified Theory-Classical Physics, specifically the Hydrino reaction. But all that Rossi claims to be using, is the use of more and more assumptions, which have nothing to do with accurate physics, and only keep being adding more complications to the way the E-Cat is developing. All that is doing, is to guarantee that the E-Cat will never become a commercial version or even a lab version, any time soon. More like never, if that is how Rossi wants to do it.

The root cause of the problem is the deeply ingrained idea that the Rossi's devices, as are all LENR devices, based on and use of a Low Energy "Nuclear" Reaction, as if it actually does contain some nuclear reaction. Get the "nuclear" assumption out of the way and the road is at least cleared to use another kind of reaction, in particular the Hydrino or electron falling below ground state. This reaction is part way between chemical and nuclear. It is this similarity that is leading everyone else in the LENR energy sector to assume there is something fully nuclear going on.

This war of theories will continue until Mills, who, since 1998, has been using the very accurate and corroborated prediction of Hydrino's, wins the race to commercialization, or until Rosssi somehow realizes to get into the race proper by also using the same winning reaction.

Your presumption is so over the top it's becoming funny. Doom, doom, doom... Talk about projection; is not Randal Mills the guy that is releasing data about a whole 15 second long experiment with a whopping COP 3-4? Oh yeah, that is that Randal. Good grief.

https://youtu.be/7E8CCQZ3mII
100 hrs sounds more like it. I respect cashmemors steadfastness in approach. Transmutation does happen along with the formation of dihydrinos and psuedo-He4 dense H dimers. They don't break the original nuclei though.

A point that has impressed me is that along with catalyzed *H2(1/4th) formation multi-nuclei metal hydrides form as well, both electromagneticaly mediated exothermic processes. The correlations between Randal Mills', Lief Holmid's, Jacques Dufour's and quite a few Russian researchers work can represent a new category of hydride reactions and metal compound particles deeper than valence chemestry and shy of nuclear. It's all about the potencial in the core electron space and two or more nuclei in a stable bond. It's like a stable close marriage of 2 atoms into one without destroying each others cores.

LENR forum website is having trouble right now would post a link! Here's a reddit one on a setup outside of the state's that can work through these principles: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pi...

Following the advice of his high profile business advisors, Mills is on track to having his theory fully validated by those 14 second and COP 3-4 experiments. The next step is the commercial version of the Suncell, also on track to being successfully engineered.

Compared to Rossi, that is a fully guaranteed road to success. Time for Rossi to admit to which theory actually works, or change his advisors. They have not seemed to have done their due diligence in examining the theory Rossi is using. Or someone on this site could remind Rossi where that better theory is.

Mills produced his first experimental hydrinos, validating his theory, two decades ago and there is still no product so your stance is delusional. Rossi produced his first product in the form of a megawatt low temperature steam plant powered by Ecats five years ago, it ran for a year not 15 seconds and made a COP averaging 80 and peaking at 146.4 for the full day.

The idea that an iron clad theory is the necessary condition to build products is absurd and the absurdity of your stance is adequately demonstrated by humanity's extensive employment of electricity for which there still isn't a complete theoretical construct, that you continue to proclaim otherwise doesn't make it so but it does serve to make you appear obsessive.

It has been pointed out to you by others that you are free to follow Frank's example and start a similar blog where you can extol Mills' virtues night and day to fellow dedicated followers and engage with his critics to your heart's content,