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The following exchange shows that Rossi is still openly optimistic about presenting the Ecat SK Leonardo by years end.
AnonymousAugust 20, 2019 at 10:07 AM
Dr Rossi,Do you still think that you will be able to make the presentation of the Ecat SK Leonardo with permanent self sustaining mode by the end of this year ?
August 20, 2019 at 3:37 PM
Anonymous:I am still optimist,
The following is an important description of further testing on the ECat SK-Leonardo. In consideration of the resources he is now presumably able to draw upon, possibly ABB or another global firm, I am wondering about the specialists assigned to this upcoming 6-week testing. I believe his statement about having "the best possible Team in this matter in the whole world" reflects his sense and source of optimism.
Because this posting is not caught by the Rossi Blog Reader Rossilivecat.com, I include the posting that directs one to the original on JONP.
AnonymousAugust 9, 2019 at 7:07 PM
Dear Andrea,How will you spend your Summer holidays?
Andrea RossiAugust 9, 2019 at 10:53 PM
Anonymous:Working with the Ecat SK Leonardo. Preparing the very important tests that will start on August 22 and will end at the beginning of October: after that phase we will know if the permanent SSM revolution will succeed or not. The work is hard and difficult, the matter very complex, but I am working with the best possible Team in this matter in the whole world.
I am optimist, but this is a fight.
A very hard fight.
LINK TO ORIGINAL+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Xavier PitzAugust 11, 2019 at 2:18 PM
Hello Buck, Harvey,Here is a direct link to the post Andrea was referring to :https://www.journal-of-nucl...
As the main blog article “Classical Interpretations of Relativistic Phenomena” is from November 2012, it doesn’t appear easily on http://www.journal-of-nucle... if you don’t know where to look for it, and its content doesn’t seems to be scanned by http://rossilivecat.com for content aggregation.
@Andrea : No doubt that this will be a hard fight awaiting you and your team of warriors.
But I think you all are fit and well equipped to fight it ( leave your tennis racket at home and use your other weapons 😉 )
Best Regards,Xavier Pitz
Andrea RossiAugust 11, 2019 at 5:26 PM
Xavier Pitz:Thank you !
Rossi, in the following exchange, indicates that additional tests have been scheduled for the end of August to assess the state of R&D progress for the ECat SK-Leonardo.
CaseyAugust 2, 2019 at 7:36 AM
Dr Rossi,How is going on the R&D of the Ecat SK Leonardo? When do you think you could able to present it?
Andrea RossiAugust 2, 2019 at 8:02 AM
Casey:It is going on i a way that makes me very optimist.
During the end of this month we’ll make e series of experiments that will give us a precise indication about where we are and where and when we go.
Over a period of many years, all Rossi's reported progress has led to no tangible evidence that he has a working device. Is it not time to show some evidence? If people want to mention his blog posts, they really need to investigate their belief systems.
In the following two exchanges, Rossi expresses his recognition and understanding that the advent of a now foreseeable success in ECat SK-Leonardo development enables a change in priorities from R&D to production and sales. My optimism, given Rossi's "rapid" progress since cutting ties with IH, suggests this shift could be in about 12 months . . . However, if politics is part of the final decision, then I can easily imagine a delay till beyond November, 2020 under the assumption of a bias towards the Republicans and Corporate Democrats.
Bernie MorrisseyJuly 25, 2019 at 12:37 PM
Dear Andrea Rossi,I want to congratulate you and your team on all the great progress you are making on the E-cat SK Leonardo. When you achieve your goals with the E-cat SK Leonardo do you think you will be able to shift more energy towards production and a little less research.
THANK YOU,Bernie Morrissey_____________________________________
Andrea RossiJuly 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM
GretaJuly 25, 2019 at 3:22 AM
Is it possible that the Ecat SK Leonardo with total self sustaining mode and, as a consequence of it, an infinite COP, will be ready within the current year ?
Andrea RossiJuly 25, 2019 at 8:36 AM
Greta:It is not impossible, albeit it is not sure.
Things seem to develop positively for Andrea:Andrea Rossi
July 23, 2019 at 1:56 PMJudy:The QX is the father of the SK and the grandfather of the SK-Leonardo, that will be the first thing in the history to make energy without consuming energy from the grid or from any known energy source, obviously respecting the first principle of thermodynamic. Now, from today, I am convinced we are getting very close to it. We will get it.Warm Regards,A.R.
Andrea is now convinced that the electrical E-cat, apparently called the ‘SK-Leonardo’, may work soon as hoped for, producing its own electricity to work on and no grid connection is required.
The LENR reaction has shown in past systems that gainful electric production can be generated. The Papp engine produced a goodly amount of excess current and so did the plasmatron. Even the LION reactor produced 36 kilowatts after it melted down. It's now a matter of engineering to extract the current from the reaction.
OMHO, Rossi must have farmed this electrification effort out to some of his team. He is not the best at forming theory and exploiting that theory using electronics. This is good, the more people that are involved in this effort, the more it is likely for this technology to survive over the long term. Organizations survive over the long haul, people don't.
As a civilization, what we can not afford is to fruitlessly reinvent this technology over and over again. Let us hope that electrification of the LENR reaction holds fast this time.
The all important characteristic of SK electron production is how long the electron flow will last. If the flow stops after a time, then the electrons are coming from the disestablishment of matter. If the flow of electrons flow does not diminish over time, then the electrons are being extracted from the vacuum.
Hi AxilI would like to ask out of ignorance how electrons can come from a vacuum ( is this vacuum completely empty or is it the vacuum in the chamber )?
The electron/positron pair is created when the electron field is excited when energy is applied to that field.
Hi AxilAm I correct in presuming vacuum has nothing/no mass? the we create mass by applying energy to electron field ( even though its two opposites that cancel ?
If you want the full lowdown on particle physics, look at this. Understanding LENR needs a basic understanding and background in the standard model: this is found here.
But a more concise answer is found here.
Disestablishment of matter? Yet another made up term that means nothing, like "active agent". I believe in disestablishmentarialism of made-up buzzwords, unless you are the discoverer and win the Nobel Prize and get to name it.
Rossi has strongly expressed his confidence in the successful development and testing of the ECat SK-Leonardo in the following exchange with Judy. Apparently something happened recently to guide him to share this view . . . a change from his normally cautious statements.IMO, Rossi's optimistic stance is possibly rooted and expressed in his exchange with WaltC on the 15-16th when he shared that a "discovery" had been made.
JudyJuly 23, 2019 at 1:12 PM
Dr Rossi:I watched again the video on youtube of the November 24 2017 demo of the Ecat QX at the IVA of Stockholm: this too is a page of history.
All the best,Judy__________________________________________
Andrea RossiJuly 23, 2019 at 1:56 PM
Judy:The QX is the father of the SK and the grandfather of the SK-Leonardo, that will be the first thing in the history to make energy without consuming energy from the grid or from any known energy source, obviously respecting the first principle of thermodynamic. Now, from today, I am convinced we are getting very close to it. We will get it.
Frank AclandJuly 18, 2019 at 7:32 PMDear Andrea,
Interesting that you say a permanently self-sustaining heat-producing E-Cat is very close. Can you help me understand what exactly you mean?
1. Will you need an external power source to start the E-Cat reaction?2. Will the control system need to be connected to an external power source continuously?3. Do you need to have access to grid electricity for this?
Thank you very much,
TranslateAndrea RossiJuly 18, 2019 at 8:44 PMFrank Acland:1- no2- no3- noBut be careful: ” very close ” does not mean ” done ” ( so far ).Warm Regards,A.R.
I very much Hope Andrea is this right - no external power to start it - no external to run it? That seems incredible / hard to believe?Hope we wont wait too long for demo?What would the typical size be? electrical output 20 kW would be incredible?>
Rossi is looking for us to get the implications of his comment on discovering that 90 percent is possible!
WaltCJuly 15, 2019 at 10:59 PMDr. Rossi,With respect to the possibility of achieving 90% electricity, 10% heat: I find that possibility so very exciting; I wish you every possible success.
If successful, it would be an amazing, break-through product, useful in just about every industry and in every corner of the world. On top of that, it would be an unparalleled engineering achievement and, I have to believe, a seminal scientific advancement.
Best wishes! (And Wow!)
Andrea RossiJuly 16, 2019 at 6:55 AMWaltC:It will be very hard and difficult. Part of the electric energy would supply the energy necessary to the Ecat to work. The implications are enormous. #We do not have it yet, but we are working very hard on it. Some of us is getting no sleep. Theoretically, it is not impossible, as we discovered, or, at least, we think we discovered.Warm Regards,A.R.
Just a follow up thought about LENR reactors as afterburnersfor jet engines:
Maybe before wetransition to pure LENR jet engines, we could place LENR reactors in the exhaustof reliable kerosene burning jet engines to behave like afterburners. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
VictorJuly 15, 2019 at 6:21 AMDr Rossi,Can you say which will be the maximum ratio between electricity and heat in case electricity is the main object of demand?
Andrea RossiJuly 15, 2019 at 2:44 PMVictor:We should be able to reach 90% electricity, 10% heat if this will be the demand. Still fighting, though.Warm Regards,A.R.
Uh huh.That’s 225000% electricity, 25000% heat.Or something like that.
We might need to be careful making assumptions along these lines. If it works In this way it could be that if used for electricity the over all Output power drops.
On the other hand if input energy is sourced from the out put the. The COP becomes pretty impressive.
I wonder if there is an optimum ratio where the overall out put remains high and the electrical output is also high enough to power the device or higher (hopefully much higher).
If such a device produces electricity from or instead of high energy photons somehow but needs to run hot and generate excess unused waste heat in the process to efficiently generate large amounts of electricity. Perhaps the excess IR heat radiation could be converted to electricity using the nano technology and photovoltaics in the other thread. If that’s 80% efficient at IR wave lengths as claimed then we could potentially have a thermally shielded device with an effective ratio of electricity to heat ratio 98. Even if we can only get high output power with lower ratios it could make the device much more efficient.
Alternatively a strong narrowband IR source could have a whole set of industrial and technical uses especially if it can be made coherent.
Of course these thoughts are just speculative.
It must be difficult to reconcile the grossly under-measured electricity going in with grossly under-measured electricity coming out (assuming there is any at all coming out), using the same measurement technique he has favoured since the plasma cats have become his focus.
Well I was speculating from my more optimist POV in my reply to you. It’s only fair that you are able to reply with your own speculation in reply.
At least this could lead to the kind of test that genuine technical skeptics like your self want. I think. If a small steady initial input power source (such as s battery) to initiated the process and we see a steady final out put powering a set of high powered lights for example. It would take some variables out if the calculation.
But until then we can only speculate on the process and wait and see what comes in the end.
A target of 90 percent is a significant shift from 20 percent three years ago. Considering his apparent success to date, I am optimistic.
The removal of heat from, the SK is where most of the hardware requirements come from. If Rossi can get the heat production of the SK down to 2.1 kilowatts, then a simple fan can cool the SK. The reason that Rossi wants to produce electrical power only is to reduce the production cost way down. Also, if Rossi is going to build 100 million units, he wants to make sure that the SK is as good as it can possibly be before he gets the robots rolling.
The lucky few of those poor robots in the magnificent factory will end up in a museum. They will be so obsolete yet like brand new, never used. Patiently and impersonally they waited for their finalized instructions that never came, that were to begin the massive, competition-overwhelming production.
The consequences of selling 5-10 million 2-3Sigma vs. 5-6Sigma units is vastly different . . . especially, as it becomes dramatically simpler to manufacture . . . and as a product of near universal acceptance/desirability. Manufacturing cost is important. But, far less important than reliability and desirability to the long-term health of the Brand.
Has anyone yet figured out what the "Rossi Effect" is? If it is not involving fusion, as Rossi now says, what is it? Here is what it says on Rossi's site:
"The Rossi Effect is based on a LENR process including Hydrogen and Lithium where Nickel is merely used as a catalyst and is not consumed in the process (some Nickel – Hydrogen reactions occur but the major part of the Nickel is not consumed and can be recycled). The Hydrogen – Lithium reaction is highly exothermic;
Li7 + H1 → Be8 → 2He4 + 17.3 MeV,"
That sure looks like fusion to me. Shouldn't he correct the website? I think the correct description might be"The Rossi Effect is any exothermic reaction regardless of how it actually works or how much energy input is needed."
The Rossi Effect seems to be a collective amnesia effect surrounding his devices, wherein the ability to measure power is forgotten (near field), and the bad measurements themselves are in turn forgotten (far field).
The polariton is a plasmonic based quasiparticle that loves to socialize. They are the quintessential party animal. If any polaritons are produced inside a LENR reactor, they will automatically find each other and begin an entangled get together.
This predisposition to produce a global condensate over the entire extent of the reactors surface structure is where all the EMF power comes from. This concentration of EMF power is known as super-radiance.
In quantum optics, superradiance is a phenomenon that occurs when a group of N emitters, such as excited atoms, interact with a common light field. If the wavelength of the light is much greater than the separation of the emitters, then the emitters interact with the light in a collective and coherent fashion. This causes the group to emit light as a high intensity pulse (with rate ∝ N2). This is a surprising result, drastically different from the expected exponential decay (with rate ∝ N) of a group of independent atoms (see spontaneous emission). Superradiance has since been demonstrated in a wide variety of physical and chemical systems, such as quantum dot arrays and J-aggregates. The effect has recently been used to produce a superradiant laser.
If we can pump EMF into a sub-straight such as a Mizuno micro mesh that is optimized to form plasmons and their bosonic progeny: polaritons, that sub-straight will sooner or later give rise to an EMF event horizon as untold billions of polaritons join the Bose condensate. A global polariton condensate will develop on the surface of the mesh that will generate a LENR active superradiant EMF event horizon.
One of the reasons why superconductivity and LENR are so tightly connected is that it would be near impossible to gather and then subsequently maintain enough EMF power to produce an effective EMF event horizon without the support of a superconductive sub-straight. Dispersion of optical power would soon destroy the meta-stable concentration of EMF power upon which the LENR reaction depends. This is where ultra-dense matter comes into the LENR picture. This state of matter produces the state of superconductivity in the particles that make up this special type of matter. LENR takes to this special highly supportive electromagnetic environment like bacteria take to a soup of supportive nutrients in a petri dish.
The LENR reaction can form in a non-superconductive situation, but it needs far more input energy pumping to maintain the density of sufficient polaritons that can sustain the associated development of an EMF event horizon. This weaken gathering of polariton density is where gammas and sundry nuclear reactive byproduct will manifest.
Low Energy Nuclear Reactions resulting as picometer interactions with similarity to K-shell electron capture
H. Hora, G.H. Miley have come up with a theory that explains how transmuted elements will form based on the quark nature of matter. This is applicable to what the mechanism of matter formation must have been when elements first formed during the earliest times just after the big bang. The way matter forms now inside the LENR reaction at the EMF event horizon is the same as it had occurred just after the big bang.
It is generally recognized in grand unification theories that the electroweak force (EMF) and the force of gravity were combined when the universe was just starting out. This is why science believes that the unification of gravity and EMF can occur at high energies.
If there is enough gravity concentrated at one point in space-time, then an event horizon will form. The same event horizon formation process must be true for the concentration of EMF at a point is Space-time since gravity and EMF are basically the same force.
LENR is a result of the condensation of EMF into a state of extreme condensation at a singular point in space-time. All the theory and experimental observations that apply to horizon formation in gravity also apply to the condensation of EMF at a singular point in space-time.
Since this EMF concentration is mostly related to the concentration of light, the resulting EMF horizon also takes on the complicating quantum mechanical properties of superposition. This quantum mechanical complicating property is not present for gravity.
The unification of the electromagnetic, weak, and strong interactions could explain where the process of transmutation of elements is coming from in LENR. The environment in and around the EMF singularity could be where the strong force unification reverts the evolution of matter formation back to the conditions that were prevalent at the earliest epochs in the evolution of infant universe.
Time dilation is a critical property that makes the LENR virtually impervious to human understanding. We humans do not experience time dilation in the world we live in. Adding in superposition into our everyday world puts the complicated interactions between time dilation, transmutation of elements and quantum mechanical superposition that occurs in the LENR reaction outside of the understanding of just about everybody. It is going to take a lot of time and effort to educate people about what the LENR reaction is all about.
For further study as follows: Grand Unified Theory (GUT)https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
A Grand Unified Theory (GUT) is a model in particle physics in which, at high energy, the three gauge interactions of the Standard Model that define the electromagnetic, weak, and stronginteractions, or forces, are merged into a single force. Although this unified force has not been directly observed, the many GUT models theorize its existence. If unification of these three interactions is possible, it raises the possibility that there was a grand unification epoch in the very early universe in which these three fundamental interactions were not yet distinct.
Gravity's effect on the flow of time in General Relativityhttps://www.youtube.com/wat...
Twin Paradox in General Relativity
From the perspective of the people in the world outside of the EMF event horizon, the speed that things are happening on or inside that horizon is ultra-fast. But at that horizon, the speed that things are happening is occurring at a normal speed.
This difference in the perspective of time is why we see no nuclear activity going on at or inside the EMF horizon. These nuclear reactions happen instantaneously from our perspective even if the radioactive isotope that has been formed in transmutation of elements takes billions of years to stabilize.
re: "It is generally recognized in grand unification theories that the electroweak force (EMF)..." Axil the acronym EMF is Electromotive force, or alternately Electromagnetic field. These are classical electrodynamics formulations at the time of Maxwell. EMF has nothing to do with electroweak force. You treating them as if they are the same thing is ludicrous.
People know what EMF is. They are not familiar with the electroweak force. Not every body is as up on the standard model as you are.
The electroweak force manifests at high energy. It adds radioactive decay to the standard motel unification mix.
The unification of force theory suggests that at very high temperatures where the equilibrium translational kinetic energies are in excess of 100 GeV, these particles: W and Z particles and photon are essentially identical and the weak and electromagnetic interactions were manifestations of a single force: electroweak force.
LENR does not deal with the W and Z particles so no use confusing the issue.
DeweyJuly 13, 2019 at 1:13 PMDr Rossi,I return to the comment of Neri Accornero: can you give a hint, not superficial, but not too difficult, about what can happen if your effect is not fusion, not fission, not chemical reaction?
Andrea RossiJuly 13, 2019 at 1:33 PMDewey:Please go tohttp://www.researchgate.net...All the references cited here are the same reported in the above mentioned paper.In  a fundamental connection between Aharonov-Bohm equations and an electron model is proposed, starting from a geometric interpretation of the electron wave-function complex phase [6,8,1].This approach suggests the possibility of efficiently creating electron condensates exploiting the Aharonov-Bohm effect, a phenomenon that shows the dependence of electron wave-function phase from electromagnetic potentials .Warm Regards,A.R.------------------------
Rossi is looking for a quantum mechanical mechanism that enables an ensemble of electrons to convert from a fermion to a boson so that those electrons can form a Bose condensate(BC). A BC is the means by which electrons can form a meta-stable ensemble that can hold together in a long lived plasmoid configuration which is connected to ultra dense matter: what Rossi calls "Neutral pico-metric aggregates".
The intent of this posit is very close to what is really going on in the LENR reaction. Rossi has not yet stumbled upon the correct quantum mechanical mechanism that enables electrons to change their fermionic nature into bosons.
The correct mechanism involves the entanglement of phonons, excitons or plasmons polaritons with electrons. There is a ton of nanophotonic theory and experimental evidence that covers this subject.
On the theory of three types of polaritons (phonon, exciton and plasmon polaritons)https://iopscience.iop.org/...
The rabbit hole that this subject engenders is as big as all outdoors. This subject matter is currently a very hot subject in optics. In my opinion, optics is a very difficult area of physics to get our heads around. This subject also leads to many other subjects that are truly mind boggling and beyond current science to explain.
It is also apparent that Rossi must be getting competent professional help in formulating his theory... Rossi is not working alone. It is fair to say based on the very advanced state of his theory of LENR that Rossi also must have something substantial that is working and close to if not currently functional.
I Applaud Jed Rothwell on:
for Clearly stating the plain Truth,--
The "skeptics" you speak of do not believe McKubre, despite the best conventional calorimetry in history and a gigantic signal to noise ratio. Better than Mizuno's. They don't believe the people at BARC can measure tritium at millions of times background, even though that is their job and they would be dead if they could not do it. They do not believe that the people who designed and operated the U.S. national tritium lab at Los Alamos can measure tritium at levels that would trigger a permanent evacuation of the building if it were outside the test tube. In short, there is no amount of proof, by any world class experts, that will ever convince them of anything."
It seems to me that Mizuno"s Experiment fulfills the requirement laid down by Mike McKubre in this presentation:
I believe that both NASA and Google who can both Command tremendous financial resources and can focus them on LENR development, will be forced as a result of the events presently unfolding in LENER to bring about a step change in its rapid development.
This too is an important interview:
Game on, this is turning out to be a very exciting year for the LENR Community and bodes well for the future.
Best wishes to All Replicators and Researchers especially MFMP and ALAN, RUSS and MARTIN.
Retrofit this with Mizuno’s reactors and fly. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
ENJOY. The Future is Bright. The Human Family will accomplish Wonders.
Awesome! On second thought, these would probably need the COPof an E-Cat. (Powered by a lithium battery?)
Or more simply, just use Mizuno’s reactors as afterburners byplacing them in the exhaust the above planes.
At 9:45 of the video, the description of the LENR "trigger" . STOPING the lenr reaction releases LENR energy from the EMF event horizon. An active LENR reaction will not "actualize" the energy that the reaction is producing.
At 11:34 in the video, the role of magnetic fields in LENR. A strong magnetic field dampens the reaction since such a field will destroy the superconductive conditions that the LENR reaction thrives on. It might not kill the LENR reaction but the magnetic field might wound it.
Also the application of optical energy from a laser will produce more polaritons and therefore increase the strength of the LENR reaction.
The production of gammas and radioactive isotopes is like the production of smoke in a weak fire that is just getting started. Once a fire gets going with a vengeance and the combustion process has firmly set in, the fire burns hottest with no smoke production.
All the LENR old guard looked for the production of LENR smoke to prove to the outsiders that LENR was actually occuring. But once the LENR reaction set in strongly, there would be no LENR smoke to be had. The desire of the LENR old guard for the LENR reaction to prove its existence through the production of LENR smoke is counterproductive.
Baby steps will lead to Giant leaps.Every Journey begins with that first step.
Be a Space Geek and look up in Wonder:
Spektr-RG: Powerful X-ray telescope launches to map cosmos:
Einstein called it 'spooky action.' Here's an image of it for the first time:
According to general relativity, time is just another dimension like up, down, and side to side. Matter and energy can be entangled and displaced in time as well as length, width, and height.
If a particle pair can be entangled in time, then what would that situation do? If a black EVO is a process that stops time, then the entangled particles that it produces could be linked to a partner that exists in a past or future time.