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David Savage • 11 months ago

What people are quick to forget is Pangea, is referenced in the Bible (Genesis 1: 9-10; 10:25). So when Noah built the Ark he had less animals to worry about then today. Evolution is part of creation. It's within every animal to adapt and to change to their surroundings. How fast will they adapt or evolve? Man can't say because we don't know.
And the number of creatures you had posted is the collective number if species of the earth not just the animals found on land but the species found in the water and oceans. Noah was commanded to focus on the land animals and his family.
Noah didn't have to focus on the animals he didn't know about.
Before he started collecting the animals he was commanded to store food for him and his family, as well as for the creatures he was commanded to collect.
But there's also creatures like insects who can hibernate for several years.
Then you have Nidarians, flat worms, nematodes, and other parasitic life forms, that can last for years in water or dirt, without hatching from their eggs or cocoons.
Noah didn't spend forty days and forty nights on the Ark. That was how long it rained and flooded. He didn't just take 2 of every kind. That's how they went into the Ark.
But I have some questions for you too.

Why don't we have all of the books that are mentioned in the Bible? Why don't we have the records of Japheth and Ham? Why don't we have the records of all of God's dealings with His children on the Earth?
You do know we had other books that predate Genesis right? Why don't we have those books?
Why did the Catholic Church take out 14 books from the Bible?
Why aren't people pondering and praying to God for the answers, to know the truth for themselves?
If we did have all of the books from the time of Father Adam, there would be no doubt if what we are doing is wrong.

The reason why we don't have all of the books, it's because of unbelief and the wicked traditions of our fathers.
Until we find the strength to rise up on our knees and ask God the Eternal Father, the questions we have burning in our minds, we will not receive it.

Kyler • 6 months ago

Bruh. You seriously believe that all the continents were together to form Pangea in 3000 BCE during noahs' flood? We know that continents (Specifically referencing North American and European plates) move approximately an inch per year. Meaning with that logic I should be able to travel from the east coast of the US to the west coast of Europe with just a short Kayaking excursion. Pangea was last together about 200 million years ago do some research and you'll be happy to find out how ludicrous the bible is.

dconklin • 6 months ago

>You seriously believe that all the continents were together to form Pangea in 3000 BCE during noahs' flood?

a) It would be at least 4k years ago (at a minimum).
b) the Flood could have taken place far earlier than what we are being told and the story has been truncated. One Egyptian pharaoh called another his father and yet we know that there was 1,000 years between the two.

St. Peter • 7 months ago

So Noah's Ark just happen to stay in the same general area without being anchored? Why would a loving and all knowing God tell them to take the city of Jerusalem instead of drifting that Ark to the America that no one knew of. All of it is so very flawed. All religions collect money.
Religion was a way to control those masses and collect their money, why else would they say that suicide is the greatest of sin, they lose a tax payer. After the next great catastrophe someone will find a copy of Spider-man or X-men and convince the new world of these supernatural beings.

dconklin • 1 year ago

>"Here are a number of elements that both Gilgamesh and the flood story in Genesis share:"

Now list the differences.

farfallinamadrid • 6 months ago

dconklin why

dconklin • 6 months ago

Because they are far more telling and would thus show that the Bible story did not come from the GE. More likely the GE is derivative and downgraded version of the biblical story. Compare AND contrast is a very powerful analytical tool. It helps one to avoid "parallelomania" (see Sandmel's paper on the subject (from '62): https://biblicalstudies.org...

Cowan. • 3 years ago

The biggest proof the Bible is fake is that it remains unchanged. Christians mention the bible as being morally sound but also as being scientifically sound. rabbit don't chew cud. the world doesn't have four corners. if it was two pair or seven we know genetically all those species including humans would be dead from inbreeding. as for christ? the spiel about his miracles is worthless, how about what he said? thoughts are the same as actions? a compassionate being curses his own family? a man claims to be divine but provides answers even someone a thousand years earlier could know. if chrisy were real we'd call him a psychopath, because the science has caught up and revealed what personality traits like this mean. that's why Christians cant give up the notion of divinity; it means they wasted their lives.

Just BOB • 2 years ago

Some people believe the Christian Bible was changed. The Islamic view of the Bible is based on the belief that the Quran says that parts of Bible are a revelation, but believe that some of it has become distorted or corrupted, and that a lot of text has been added which was not part of the original.

Sid1138 • 2 years ago

> the world doesn't have four corners

BTW, from

Isiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

So, not only did the Bible report the earth was round about a thousand years before the Greeks figured that out, it mentions that the heavens are expanding about 3,000 years before the theory of the big bang came up.

So, let's not try to force that unfounded flat-earth, four corner thing on people.

M00dSwing • 1 year ago

love your insight...I could listen to you for days :)
however; keep in mind...a circle is not a globe.

skwills • 4 months ago

The similarities bwetween Bibel Stories and past Mythologies gven here aren't really True. They are just old claims we've all eseen on the Internet before. For example, the Epic of Gilgamesh does have a Flood Account in it, sort of, but they were not Monotheistic so God dint send the flood, and n neither story did either protagonist complain.

Jesus has nothing in common with Mithras or Dyonisus, and the similaritie aare fabricationas. (Dyonisus was not born of a Virgin for example, and Mithras didnot have 12 Disiples nor was his Birthday celebrated on December 25th.)

These claims are nonsense and only show how peopel try too hard to attack the Bible.

Max Light • 2 years ago

Read before, nothing new in these points.

Many religions are a mishmash of others, or stories. At the end the day, religion is yet to provide its points. Faith or having a book is no substitute to testable fact.

The fact science does not have all of the facts is irrelevant, as it never stated that it did. You are thinking of religion. It is just another uptake of the god of the gaps scenario.

Libera Nos Domine • 2 years ago

God of the gaps is not what religion is, at least not inherently. Religion, at least mine, is based on the fact that a logically derivable and necessary God-entity exists, who is personal, omnipotent etc. The only religion which is consistent (and I am saying miraculously consistent), and whose claims are corroborated in large part by historical and archeological facts and by miraculous and divine fulfillment of prophecies. Jesus fulfilled too many prophecies almost all of which were out of His control. The only religion whose God is described in the way the God which can be derived from logic (the first 'uncaused' cause of everything) is the God of the Jews and Christians. All others can be traced to origins because of some particular event or they are fictitious and admitted to be so etc.
Besides, there is no way you are going to convince any sane person that the consistency of the bible, given how many people wrote it and over how many millennia, and other historical context of each time of writing etc, could _not_ be from God is just flying in the face of the fact that nothing like this occurs anywhere else, and in the same way.
And look, even if you didn't believe Judaism and believed it was a 'mismash' as you put it (for which you provided no substantiation, by the way), you've still got the problem of Jesus proving it is NOT false by corroborating the prophecies about Him (accurate, supernatural, impossible predictions of someone's birth, name, character, means of death, message, nature etc) in a way out of anyone's collective control.

God bless.

Bordello • 2 years ago

Jesus isn't corroborating prophecies. In fact Jesus was wrong about things in the Old Testament, wrong about a personal return.
Some things weren't even in the Old Testament that Jesus made comment on.
the first 'uncaused' cause of everything)= You can't say god is any more "un-caused" than anything else. Reality is "uncaused."

bob • 3 years ago

Bro...you obviously regurgitated a bunch of easily refutable crap skimmed from the interwebs. I could go point for point that you make, but let's start with the most glaring.

-an angel gave a message to Mary and Joseph...which is it? If you've read the Bible you would know they were two different messages to two different people.

-the vigin birth...? well yes, Jesus was virgin born, the Bible clearly states He had brothers and sisters. Jesus "parents" were married, if they didn't consummate their marriage, Jesus would've been considered a bastard. Other children does not discount virgin birth.

-there are two genealogies...? Yes one for Mary and one for Joseph. Both from the house of David and scripture says: the Messiah would come from the House of David. God put a blood curse on David's line after terrible king after terrible king. God worked His way around the blood curse by going thru Mary's line.

-the Passover...wouldn't God know which houses were the Jews? Yes, it's well within His scope; however, the people had a choice: to believe Him or not. You have that same choice friend.

-kill your son to prove you love Me...? He didn't require Abraham to offer his son; however, 2000 years later on that same spot, God did offer His son.

There are over 300 prophecies Christ had to fulfill; including many outside of anyone's control.

Go through the genealogy from Adam to Noah...all their names once translated outline the gospel of Christ.

The Bible said God hangs the Earth on nothing, that there are mountains under the oceans, that air has weight, that the ocean has springs, that the ocean has currents & and the air has a jet stream (called its circut), it's describes the water cycle....the Book was written over 1,500 years by over 60 people and its fits together as one integrated message.

What people that hold your position often do is take a passage out of context, with no regard to the words before and after it...and then you have your "gotcha moment."

Really study the whole Word and then see if you come to the same conclusion.

You're immortal wether you believe it or not; you were created and you will meet the Creator. Why don't you see what He really has to say in the Book rather than a quick skip atheist band wagon leap of no faith.

Daniel Miessler • 3 years ago
God worked His way around the blood curse by going thru Mary's line.

Read that back to yourself a few times out loud.

The creator of the universe "worked his way around" a blood curse?

This is fantasy, created by humans, for humans, for the purpose of controlling them.

The Case For Christ • 2 years ago

Why would would Christianity be built for controlling other people. Those who desired the power back then would have died, and along with it, Christianity. But guess what is still here: Christianity. On another point, how could someone just randomly think of the trinity. It is nearly, if not completely, impossible to understand. If you don't know what I am talking about look it up. But basically, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. They are all the same but all different at the same time. The Father knows when the end times are but, The Homy Spirit and The Son do not. Too complicated to be fiction.

useanameplease • 3 years ago

"There are over 300 prophecies Christ had to fulfill; including many outside of anyone's control."
please list these from 1>300

"-the vigin birth...? well yes, Jesus was virgin born, the Bible clearly states He had brothers and sisters. Jesus "parents" were married, if they didn't consummate their marriage, Jesus would've been considered a bastard. Other children does not discount virgin birth."
...if the marriage was consumated, mary is no longer a virgin...

buy bull,
fiction for fools......

Sid1138 • 3 years ago

>fiction for fools......

Let's go with some other fiction for fools.

According to physics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Yet, according to the Big Bang, the entire 10^53 joules of energy in the universe just appeared.

Or, if you want to go with the super hot singularity theory, the entire universe was squeezed into the space smaller than an atom, and yet the explosion some how overcame gravity and did not become a black hole.

According to biology, life cannot come from non-life (just ask Pasture). Yet, that is exactly what happened some time in the distant past - life spontaneously appeared from non-life. There is some nebulous theory of primal soup and energy. The problem with that theory (at least according to chemistry) is that if there is enough energy to start taking smaller compounds (like methane and ammonia) and making larger compounds (like amino acids) there is enough energy to tear apart these larger compounds. Sort of limits the size of the compounds that the soup can make.

Also, another deep axiom of biology (thank you Mendel) is that inheritance comes from genes and chromosomes. For example, a dog cannot birth a cat. Even better, a dog cannot mate with a cat to produce a catdog. Yet, we keep on hearing about evolution as a proven science. There is talk that mutations cause the evolution of plants and animals.

But, when we apply the scientific method to that theory, we come up blank. Scientists have subjected fruit flies to serious mutagens for nearly 100 years. After tens or hundreds of thousands of generations and branches of fruit fly mutations, there has NEVER been a non-fruit fly spawned from these mutated fruit flies. In fact, if you take all of the mutations seen over this time and push them into a single fruit fly, the result is still a fruit fly.

Or another experiment that has subjected e. coli to a huge number of mutagen attacks for 65,000 generations. While a number of new traits have shown up, the e. coli is still e. coli.

What if one of these scientists was actually successful. What if there came forth an insect that was no longer a fruit fly? Then what? In order to move down the path of evolution, we need to create something that is different enough that it cannot mate with the original species (for example, humans cannot mate with other primates). How do you make more of this new species? If the mutation is random, and it takes hundreds of thousands of said mutations to change a species, what probabilistic gymnastics are you going to apply that claims two identically mutated bugs get born at the same time, find each other, and start mating away? There is not enough time in the entire universe for that to happen to the fruit fly, let alone something more complex, like a horse or human.

I can go on and on, but you get the point. I do not know how all the species arrived, or where they started from, or how new species appeared to take the place of old ones, or even how the universe started. I was not there in the beginning. I do know that the humanistic scientism that is pushed on society as "truth" is more bull, less satisfying, and more fiction than what I find in the Bible. I find the "science" pushed today is anything but science. It pushes its theories as fact, even when there is no experimental evidence for the theory. It pushes scientific doctrine on society, even when the ramifications of that doctrine are detrimental for society (consider alcohol as a fuel, and if you don't understand why that is bad, than you are seriously indoctrinated). It twists the conclusions of theories to an agenda that has nothing to do with science and everything to do with growing "scientific" institutions.

In short, the science pushed on society today is more fiction and more religion than almost any religion of the past.

I am not saying that as someone ignorant in the sciences. I have studied all of the physical sciences for over 50 years, I have a degree in physics, I make my living doing engineering and applying science to real-world problems. I also know the limits of science. Limits that those pushing science as the ultimate truth just don't understand.

Becky Haynie • 1 year ago

"Since every culture has descended directly from the flood's survivors, it is logical that stories of this traumatic event are both abundant and universal, having been passed down from generation to generation. This is certainly the case. Many of these traditions are remarkably consistent, considering the relative isolation of the cultures, the length of time that has elapsed since the flood, and the human tendency to embellish, exaggerate, and distort stories over time. The Babylonian and biblical accounts of the flood appear to represent different re-tellings of an essentially identical flood tradition." ~ GotQuestions.org

Joman • 1 year ago

You completely omitted the fact that we have a stockpile of evidence that the origin of all humans is Africa, and that apes and humans share a common ancestor to the point that scientists still classify humans as primates. The line from australopithecus to homo erectus to homo sapien shows a clear trend in the evolution to increases in brain size, bipedalism and opposable thumbs. Evolution is so abundantly provable that we understand darker skin colors are the result of tropical climates; darker skin absorbs more vitamin D and reduces the risk of skin cancer. Also, the epic of Gilgamesh includes a serpent, and a berry that grants immortality, similar to the serpent and forbidden fruit of the Christian creation myth. This could be a hell of a lot more thorough, but good on you for getting some of this out, anyway.

Aiden • 3 months ago

Lighter skin absorbs more vitamin D, an adaption to living in areas with less sunlight.

Marcus • 2 years ago

Christianity was a Roman psychological warfare project designed to remove the threat of the Hebrews by destroying their religion. The Hebrews were a mighty political and military force that were only beaten after many years of war. to finish them off spiritually, the Romans invented the story that their prophecies did in fact come true and the messiah did return but they killed him. They killed their own messiah. Whoops. Since the whole point of the Jewish religion is waiting for the messiah, telling people that he already came kind of makes the religion useless.

You'll find that the New Testament lines up nicely with Josephus' The Jewish War, published 75 a.d. the New Testament uses the same locations, scenes and actions as Josephus, except in Josephus the "fishers of men" (he used those words) were Romans killing Hebrews floating in the water. Jesus travels were the Romans marching towards Jerusalem, fighting battles and converting people into Roman citizens ("render unto Caesar" - what God would defer to an earthly ruler?) . Before the Roman war the Hebrews were a mighty army and Judaism was a spreading religion. Over the past 2,000 years the Hebrew army has been the least belligerent of any of the major religions (Hindu, Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, Shinto, Islamic, etc...) and has settled for defending it's tiny borders against impoverished 3rd world nations.

The project was so successful that it expanded to absorb all the other religions in the Roman empire taking in all the pagan practices not in the Bible like praying to the Virgin Mary, celebrating December 25, worshiping idols made in the likeness of Jesus, intercession by saints, priests, performing rites, sacrifices (lent, penances), etc...

BJ Potter • 2 years ago

A fool says in his heart there is no God. This article is the type which many people read and believe without further study and researching simple historical facts. It is these type of arguments that win favor with those that already have decided that the reality of God is simply too impossible for them to ever accept. Be willing as human beings, created male and female only, to examine your beliefs and gather all essential facts prior to making a final decision with regards to your acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ. Your eternity should be worth it...
The biggest proof that the Bible is divine is that it remains relatively unchanged. God is the same today, yesterday and forever.

simondotau • 3 months ago

A fool says in his heart there is no Unicorn. The biggest proof that Unicorns are divine is that the stories remain relatively unchanged.

John Hines • 3 months ago

A library has nonfiction books and books of fiction. If a bible was to be in a library it would be in the fiction section of a library. No religion is based on truth. A so called God wouldn't allow the atrocities that has occurred throughout the world throughout history. Only children should believe in make believe and once old enough people soon realise fact from fiction. The truth and fact is all anyone should believe in and it isn't to hard to learn or figure the truth out and know fact from fiction. Be great that all life or lives don't end when death arise, but fact is fact, once your dead that's it forever whether you die young or old. And anyways there is meant to be only one God and there's more than 1 religious belief and what about Alan and Buddha. And look at the Catholic church and the sexual abuse of children and these sexual abuses of children are supposed men of God
All in all there is no God or any so called higher being

ERWIN KINGKING • 7 months ago

Those ideas presented are ultimately wrong. The author with due respect to his effort doesn`t understand the bible at all. He/she misunderstood it. I have a lot of things to say BUT I will not waste time in this crap for I know what`s the truth.

watermelonsonacid • 10 months ago

Great stuff. I think it would be even more impactful if you state upfront how many years before the equivalent bible story against each example.

hwclark • 11 months ago

Oh b-t-w sid1138, I would like to read your opinion on Atzi the man found in Europe, that was supposedly frozen for 5300 years. If the scientist are correct, and he is 5300 years old, then he makes it very difficult for Genesis to be true. According to Genesis it did not rain until the time of the great flood, but something similar to dew watered everything. Since ice on mountain tops and polar regions are because of cold, and falling water of some sort mix to form ice, then how could Atzi have been encased in ice for 5300 years? If you can answer that question, I have another one that comes up because of the flood. Since Atzi was killed before the flood, how did he keep from thawing out during the flood, and rotting away? We are faced with a real problem with Mr. Atzi, if he is actually 5300 years old.

With a mind like yours, this might seem like a small task to solve, but to me and other mortals, it presents a really huge obstacle for the Bible's validity.

hwclark • 11 months ago

I have enjoyed reading what sid1138 had to say on this comment section. He is a very educated person. The only thing I have seen that might cause his understanding to change, is that dinosaurs existed sometime in the past, and they don't appear to have existed at the same time as mankind. Just perhaps, they belonged to a prior world, that was destroyed and covered with water until the beginning of Genesis. The Bible would appear to be written for the understanding of mankind in this particular go around. I don't think it addresses what took place before that because it was not necessary for man to know that.

Atheism is spiritual blindness. Any thinking human, can look around themselves, and see plainly that the universe is a product of a thinking power. The Earth would self destruct if not for some power controlling what takes place on, in,and around it. In my very humble opinion, God is a set of laws that we call the laws of physics. Not just those we understand, but the complete laws of physics. Every atom of everything does what it is made to do by what governs it. When the laws of physics are breached, that particular portion of matter ceases to exist as we understand existence.The power that causes everything to exist, and do what it is made to do, has to be God or whatever you want to call it.

sid1138, I respect your accomplished life, and the mind it takes to understand all that you have been able to learn in a lifetime. Amazing! You are a blessed individual.

Meg • 11 months ago

There are so many discrepancies and issues with these arguments. First of all, there is substantial evidence that Noah's flood PRE-dates the mythological flood you have mentioned and that mythology has actually borrowed from historical events that occurred. See https://creation.com/noahs-... for more.

Also, your "obvious contradictions" of the text are sorely misunderstood and show that you have not thoroughly studied the original Greek and Hebrew writings. Nor have you read any commentaries by accredited Biblical scholars who have spent their lives studying what these texts mean. I could write a 20-page paper refuting every point that you make here.

Chopper • 1 year ago

This is so funny it is ridiculous! People who make claims the Scriptures are fiction, false or otherwise are simply looking for an excuse in order to NOT believe, which is their right to do, but in the end, because of their lack of properly researching the facts to which prove otherwise, those excuses will not stand a chance when the truth slaps them in the face. History, as well as many historical documents and historical writers having absolutely no connection with being those of the faith have stated in their historical writings as well as other historical documents proving the Scriptures are true completely reveals the facts to which any claims otherwise are without merit and false. It is claims such as these that attempt to rob you of learning truth, to which might be the very thing that leads you to your own salvation. You better research for yourself instead of relying on such people to do it for you. Don't let them pull you down with them. There are over 100 physical pieces of evidence in existence today from over 2000 years ago, as well as scores of historical writings as evidence. Facts vs fiction, facts vs myths, facts vs everything else, facts win. Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free!

Eliyyah R • 1 year ago

Proverbs 18:2 "A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart."

After evaluating this article and reviewing all of the comments I only have one thing to highlight. It comes from the book of Romans. Before you dismiss me (which is your prerogative) or dismiss reading this, I want you to think about two things that even children understand.

1) Creation. Even children can and do innocently look around outside at the beauty of creation and observe that something OR someOne greater than ourselves created all of it.

2) Forgiveness. Consider how children are so forgiving, yet there is no explanation for forgiveness, and there is no scientific argument for why we forgive. This is why Jesus emphasized in Matthew 18:3 that “unless we become like one of these children we would by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”

So as I read posts from today's “scholars” and the arguments of the great debaters such as in Greek philosophy I see no new arguments or perspectives.

Romans 1:18-25 NKJV
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.”

God HAS shown us who He is, regardless of how foolish a person's mind is and regardless if they admit it or not or want to glorify Him or not. There is NO excuse because He has shown it to us each and every day. God cannot be fabricated as some may suggest. Can the thing created say to the creator you are not real? This is the epitome of philosophical purposelessness so that we can wander around aimlessly and then justify our own persuasions, perversions, and perspectives to continue to redefine the standards to which we suppose ourselves we should live. Further, to ascribe to a real and Living God would mean that we have to admit that the standards for which we've wandered around aimlessly our whole lives have been less than Holy and that we are not without fault. It would mean that we that we would have to repent (literally turn from our current way and pursue Holiness).

Bottom line:
People's unrighteousness often leads them to 'suppress the truth' and hold false views of God or the teachings of the bible (even tout that the 'Bible is Fiction'), so that they can continue to live the very life they've fabricated for themselves.

Good news:
Jesus loves you and died for you and is not willing that any man should perish, but that through Him every man can have everlasting life. Romans also goes on to give you hope so that when you read articles like these (that try to suppress the truth) you can also have hope and see a new purpose for your life. Romans 10:8-11 “But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

All you have to do is believe in your heart truly, and call out to Him and see for yourself if you will be put to shame. If you've done that, now read the book of John

Virgil Lyon • 1 year ago

Just for fun, I will share that you are not totally wrong... The Bible took hundreds of years to write and had many authors. Among these writers is Paul the Apostle. Many early church writers and mondern skeptics alike acknowledge his existence. He was known for hunting down Christians before being blinded by the resurected Christ on the road to Damascus and cured by miracle 3 days later. After that, Paul became an apostle. The Apostles were not treated well (to put it mildly). Many sources share that Paul was beheaded by Nero. Paul is an author of a lot of the new testament. Many of his writings were letters to churches he founded. So, given that we have solid historical evidence of the existence of Paul, who wrote about and to people he knew, how then do we consider the Bible fiction? Please note that this is just one of many problems for the fiction argument

Douglas Miles • 1 year ago

It is easy in modern times to look at the TOTAL lack of proof for any of the fictions in the "bible" !! Jews never in Egypt, ever, most places unknown, the comments about how almost every word is a joke are so spot on!! Finally, the Jesus part is interesting in that there is ZERO evidence of of this existence and it is so wild how Christians make claims that are totally without support!!

Wayne • 1 year ago

This is so stupid. If someone built an arc and survived the floods then there'd be stories of it like Gilgamesh. The fact that story was told before the bible was written doesn't show the bible story cane from it as the bible was written way after the stories in it. I'm not saying it's true at all, i have no idea but your reasoning I all this was a waste of your time, mine and anyone else that has read this

SciKE • 1 year ago

IMHO I just dont believe in religion in general, it was created because humans dont like death. All "mainstream" religions have at least one explanation of what happens after death. Hinduism believes that you get resurrected, which somehow can be a punishment or a reward (Im guessing it depends on what you get resurrected into, I kinda wanna be a sea urchin, they are quite interesting), or Christianity where you get summoned into a cloud city called "Heaven", actually nobody can decide whether its a cloud city or a place that looks like Earth but also not earth..? Nobody can decide on anything, all religions have different beliefs that are usually completely different than each other (Unless you're talking about Orthodox or Protestant Christianity). I just dont understand why people are so stubborn when it comes to religion, it completely pointless and a big waste of time. Why not actually do something for humanity instead of praying and hoping it'll all work out because God is "all seeing" and will "eventually come through". Just my opinion, just putting it out there.

hhhhhhhhhhhaa@sina.com • 1 year ago

first book of Samuel has fifty mistakes
second book of Samuel has 70 mistakes

first book of Kings has eighty mistakes
second book of Kings has 100 mistakes.

Scripture has 300 mistakes in four books.

Ezra has thirty mistakes
Deuteronomy has sixty mistakes

Bible has three hundred and ninety mistakes in six books.

Gospel of john has thirty mistakes.
Acts of the Apostles has sixty mistakes.

In eight books, Bible has four hundred eighty mistake.
Genesis has sixty mistakes.

Luciano Pereira • 1 year ago


Judges 11:24
"Will you not take what your god Chemosh gives you? Likewise, whatever the Lord our God has given us, we will possess."

Who said that was Jephtah, a warrior chosen by Yahweh to conquer the territory of the Moabites, Amonites, etc. In this verse, he talks to the king of Moab and affirms that his fake god Chemosh had the same power as the true god Yahweh to give things to his followers...
One can argue that Jephtah was just being diplomatic and respectful, but 5 verses later this happens:

Judges 11:29
"Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."


Jephtah didnt have faith in Yahweh. He knew that his god existed because he had material proof. He was inside his Spirit (whatever it was). That's why he didnt question the king of Moab about the existence of Chemosh. Both knew he existed because Chemosh had his own Spirit and the king maybe had traveled inside it, as well. This would explain why he wasnt impressed by that scene.

So at this point we have at least TWO GODS in the Bible!
If you wanna know where are the others and what they are, just let me know.

Luciano Pereira • 1 year ago


Judges 11:24
"Will you not take what your god Chemosh gives you? Likewise, whatever the Lord our God has given us, we will possess."

Who said that was Jephtah, a warrior chosen by Yahweh to conquer the territory of the Moabites, Amonites, etc. In this verse, he talks to the king of Moab and affirms that his fake god Chemosh had the same power as the true god Yahweh to give things to his followers...
One can argue that Jephtah was just being diplomatic and respectful, but 5 verses later this happens:

Judges 11:29
"Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."


Jephtah didnt have faith in Yahweh. He knew that his god existed because he had material proof. He was inside his Spirit (whatever it was). That's why he didnt question the king of Moab about the existence of Chemosh. Both knew he existed because Chemosh had his own Spirit and the king maybe had traveled inside it, as well. This would explain why he wasnt impressed by that scene.

So at this point we have at least TWO GODS in the Bible!
If you wanna know where are the others and what they are, just tell me.

katie • 1 year ago

hello. I would just like to say that I am 16 years of age, and I am a Christian. I'm doing a debate in my biology class (Christian school) where one side has to prove the bible wrong and the other side has to prove it right. (I'm on the prove wrong side), anyway I would just like to say that none of this makes any sense to me. ut my major issue I had with this article is that God did not regret putting noah on that ark. in that time, the earth was so evil and filled with so much bad that God had no option but to wipe everyone out. te reason He sent the rainbow is because he wanted to make sure we understood that he would never do that again because he wanted us to feel safe. I mean can you imagine waking up every morning not knowing if the earth was going to be completely destroyed with water? that would not be easy for anyone.
also, my other big issue is that God was pleased tat Abraham was going to kill His son. God wasn't happy because he saw that Abraham had potential to be a killer, no. God was pleased that Abraham was willing to give up everything in his life to satisfy God. Abraham waited so many years for a son. and when he finally got it he was fully ready to give it up to God because he was a good and faithful man.
I could go on and on about this but I have some but I have more research to do.

Zytigon • 1 year ago

Good article by Daniel Miessler. For another similar article see ,"Why is the Bible So Badly Written?" by Valerie Tarico : https://valerietarico.com/2...

DJScribe • 1 year ago

Guess some comments strike a nerve and are considered "spam" huh...

Rae • 2 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly that Christianity is a horrible and outdated concept. I agree and have noticed personally the contradictions, inconsistencies, and unanswered questions in the Bible. However, while there are many errors in this religion there are also a few in this article. Two of the problems I have with what this person has said are..
1. In the Christian faith it is believed that the angel came to both Mary AND Joseph separately. This isn't a contradiction.
2. In regards to Mary's virginity, in the Christian faith it is commonly accepted that Jesus did indeed have several half siblings. These were conceived (according to their belief) after Jesus was born. In other words, he was the oldest sibling. Mary is considered a perpetual virgin because of her virginity at the time of Jesus' conception.
Once again, I'm not disagreeing with the purpose of what is being said here, only the specifics given.

Terrence Brann • 2 years ago

The Mithra cult was adapted by the Romans in the second century CE. They changed it radically in the process, borrowing ideas from the new Christian religion. Such as virgin birth, 12 disciples, etc. These were not in the original Mithra story, in which Mithra is born from a rock.

Andrew Watson • 3 years ago

I believe in God, but I agree with you the bible is human made- good points too - like the one about sacrifice. One thing I wanted to say there is a bunch of people out there (like me) who probably call them selves christian who are more liberal and ok with a human bible. They understand that God is grasped at by humans and so human writings about what God says - are not words from God but peoples ideas/lies/poems/songs about the God they belive in. People are familiar with the bible beacuse of the religious traditions of faith in jesus and God - without those only scholars in ancient middle eastern faiths would even study them. My point is instead of discarding the bible as a lie to avoid - it should be studied anyhow since it gives perspective of ancient ways of life and philosophy. The real God probably does not need animal sacrifice, and never have asked for it, but people thought they needed to back then - its a story of human development! Jesus may not have said he was God or walked on water, but he most definately was a rabbi and some of his teachings are recorded well. They are quite awesome quite the loveable character - love your enemies? serve others to lead? what an upside down world he envisioned. Very cool. In the end of the day if you believe there can be a God in or around this universe, you believe in the God who created a vaast and old universe, from a Big bang, the beginning of light, gas clouds and stars and Galaxys, a God who enabled conditions for life to evolve from the smallest organisms to human self awareness. Human history is useful for learning about God- because the universes laws may have meaning expressed through our lives, our actions, our love. God did not write the bible, the reality is much messier - God is quite hidden and what we see God doing is SO SO subjective. Anyhow like the website and hope it rescues people from anti science bible worship.

Michael Poke • 3 years ago

So what God do you believe in then? The only way you can know God is if he reveals himself to you. That's what he does with the Bible. Looks like you are picking and choosing from the Bible anyway... the bits that Jesus said that you like you'll believe in. Jesus actually taught more about hell than any other person in the Bible. He also claimed to be God. That's why they killed him. He was acquitted by the Roman court but crucified because the Jewish leaders hated his so called 'blasphemy' as he called himself God. You can't just make up your own God to suit your own preferences. That God doesn't exist. The God of the Bible does exist and you will stand before him one day to give an account for your idolatry. Please seek the truth, rather than fabricate your own.

Covfefeghost • 1 year ago

Many of us did seek truth, found zero in xtianity and left it.

friend • 3 years ago

First I would like to acknowledge that you poured so much into this piece, and I can appreciate all that hard work. Second, I loved that you mention the Epic of Gilgamesh!
What is amazing to me is that here you have a tale (fyi: according to the dictionary a tale can be an account of something true as well as the popular understanding of it being a lie) that came from Babylon, a country considered by Abraham's lineage as pagan. That's Abraham's old country, he himself came out from that land because God had chosen him to be the father of God's chosen people who were promised a different land.

The fact that the flood story is told by a pagan country and also by God's people does not prove the story to be a lie, in fact it shows what we know today - in latter times history was preserved by storytelling. The tale obviously was handed down from generation to generation, preserving history.

There are other similarities you didn't mention in the story to what happened even before the flood as accounted in Genesis, again that doesn't prove a lie. It proves that accounts of events were preserved and spread by being told. So one tells the story saying there were six stories in the ark and the other that there was only three, that's typical of storytelling - when my brother gives the account of the fish caught, his fish usually has a longer tail than I saw :).
I love that the story is first preserved in writing by pagans and later by God's people - you have two sides telling the same story in their own way. It clearly is the same story according to even what you point out about the many details that are shared. To me, that says that the great flood actually did happen.

History records that the written language was first invented in Mesopotamia (Babylon area) out of necessity, so a good question to consider is, "Would someone take this special gift of writing - learn how to use this new invention to tell a fictitious tale for the fun of it or is it more likely that they would go through the trouble of learning to use this new invention to give an account that was of great importance to the people?" I just don't think that people were into good fiction novels back then - it was more about communicating and preserving truth as they knew and/or believed it.

As to the span of years between the two writings, well again that doesn't provide evidence of any falsehood, simply it just implies that finally someone in Abraham's lineage decided to record the story as they knew it to be true along with many other stories that preserve the history of what is relevant to the story of Jesus the Son of God unfolding.

This is truly exciting! God is awesome! I love that He created us to discover and that He didn't create us just knowing all things from the moment we came into existence! He's a good Father!