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Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

You can read more on the subject here, including comments. (They feature some detail, including one about water supply -- what happens to communities not on the State Water Project, which could have reallocation to more metro users, or supplies into it increased someday, but communities whose source is ground water, that are required to accept huge new apartment developments?)

latimes . com / california / story / 2019-12-21 / california-population-continues-to-decline-with-state-emigration-a-major-factor

ANSICOMPLIANT • 4 years ago

Per economic data, roughly 40% of CA residents live with with excess shelter cost (over 30% of income). About half of that 40% pay half their income on housing costs.

To compare nationally, the average person in the US spends 24% of their income on housing up to age 30. Down to about 14% by the age of 45.

To those trying to normalize what is happening in CA - stop.

Erik Kengaard • 4 years ago

California is overpopulated . . . in large part because Californians don't think

Immigrants and Their Descendants Accounted for 72 Million in U.S. Population Growth from 1965 to 2015; Projected to Account for 103 Million More by 2065 - Pew research
and yet:
Nearly three in four Californians (72%) believe immigrants are a benefit to the state because of their hard work and job skills
https://www.ppic.org/public...

Professor Thomas Sowell wondered about Californians long ago.
"Nothing could prevent the California electorate from simultaneously demanding low electricity prices and no new generating plants while using ever increasing amounts of electricity."

Perhaps there is something in the water?

Doug • 4 years ago

Scarce, expensive housing is the Bay Area's #1 problem - apartment construction lags far behind population growth, spiking rents and lengthening commutes.

Erik Kengaard • 4 years ago

the Bay Area's #1 fundamental problem is overpopulation.

Erik Kengaard • 4 years ago

So - you can construct apartments in a manner analagous to the way Apple constructs iPhones?
How about restricting immigration so we would not have population growth? The Johnson Reed Act did that, and later, life was good. Then came Hart-Celler.

hikertom • 4 years ago

It is amazing that many of the people leaving comments on this story actually think that the party that runs failed states such as West Virginia, Kansas, Arkansas, and Kentucky would do a better job in California.

ANSICOMPLIANT • 4 years ago

As a tech worker, I would take a tech job in those states any day of the week over one in CA. It would pay only a little less but the cost of living would be astronomically lower. Things are changing anyway, as evident in CA.

moth0 • 4 years ago

I'm not sure I entirely understand your comment. The executive branches of those states have been run by Democrats for most of the last 25 years. For example, West Virginia had Democratic governors for the last 17 out of the last 19 years. Kansas, 9 out of the last 15 years. Arkansas 50 out of the last 69 years. Kentucky 40 out of the last 48 years.

Erik Kengaard • 4 years ago

Virginia has been well governed for a long time. Reasonable taxes, decent public schools at $13,000 per student, well run DMV, Court System and development permitting in Fairfax County. I'm sure that as the democrats gain power, things will get worse.

moth0 • 4 years ago

That's absolutely true, Virginia has been mostly central politically with both Democrats and Republicans holding the executive branch similar amounts of time. In the other comment I made, all those "failed states" were actually run by Democrats in the last 25 years. For example West Virginia has had Democratic governors the 17 out of the last 19 years. Kentucky 40 out of the last 48. Arkansas 50 out of the last 69.

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

The original comment ignores cases like Texas's (which are mixed, but have a "Red" reputation) in trying to appeal to emotion in the same way of loser remarks calling anything outside the area or outside California Dogpatch, Hicktown, etc.

MaxMan • 4 years ago

As Yogi Berra said " It is so crowded no one goes there anymore"

Erik Kengaard • 4 years ago

There will always be people who can afford it, and the poor will stay for welfare and moderate weather. The middle class will move. California will become a third world place run by oligarchs.

Alex Levsky • 4 years ago

"...their role in helping foreign governments influence elections or controversial contracts..." - disinformation BS on your part, it is more like because those companies helping industrial military complex with endless wars, surveillance state enhancement and influencing public opinion via "intelligence" community disinformation BS

Guest • 4 years ago
Candid One • 4 years ago

So you're not pregnant yet? The national birth rate has been below replacement for decades. CA has growth by US interstate migration and by legal immigration. Since the millenniium, DHS has told us that CA's fastest growing immigration segment is multivariate Asian, regardless of immigration from Latin America.

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

California has been experiencing net domestic out-migration in several years. This article in the Mercury News is the latest to revisit the phenomenon in California and revisit (partially) why.

Remey Rune • 4 years ago

I'm fine with Californians voting they way they want, as long as they keep it in California. Trump is right, we need a wall, but not bordering MX, it has to border CA.

Candid One • 4 years ago

The enormous coastline is a much more porous border than many folks recognize. The US Coast Guard is constantly intervening in drug and human trafficking, for generations.

BeatTheDeadHorse • 4 years ago

SF is a Liberal Utopia, exemplifying the the haves and have nots, just like Venezuela.

Candid One • 4 years ago

CA has no majority party. CA-Dems, which aren't a bloc, have plateaued in the 43-44% voter registration range since the Nineties. CA-GOP has been shrinking since the Nineties, now at 23.58% of total voter registrations. Mostly, CA-GOP defectors have been registering as "No Party Preference" (NPP), now at 26.74% of total, outnumbering CA-GOP. Neither national party can win anything on its own; CA-NPP is the difference maker. In the most populous state in US history, binomial politics are a silly, flat-earth pretense.

CA is the #4 global economy and a lot more populous than Venezuela. It's clear how clueless your shallow world view has become.

Zeezladon • 4 years ago

"CA has no majority party." What?! Democrats control the Assembly. They have a super-majority in the State Senate. They have the Governorship. They have both US Senators.
Have you been away?

Guest • 4 years ago
Candid One • 4 years ago

Envy, eh? Yours aren't working.

Steve Trujillo • 4 years ago

this is good news for rental prices and home prices. 3000 less people will do little to affect Bay area representation in the state legislature and congress, but it will slightly ease pressure on shelter costs. and it means thousands of less cars on the roads.

CommonSense • 4 years ago

Economically, this will exacerbate the libs complaining about income inequality. The rich stay in p!ace, the poor don't leave, so those moving are middle class (both upper and lower). After a quarter century of Democratic political domination, what they have achieved is the equivalent of a central American state - rich or poor, with little in the middle. Yet, the narcoleptic voters continue to elect liberals. We leave in 2 years, moving to a low tax, low cost of living state, taking with us conservative values hated in CA.

Zeezladon • 4 years ago

Sorry to see good people leave, but I can't blame you.
After the impeachment, I plan to change my party affiliation to Republican. One can hope that more people see what progressive policies do and come to their senses and help get California back to what it once used to be -- a beautiful place.

CommonSense • 4 years ago

Appreciate that. The main problem CA faces is the sad truth that so many residents are living and completely dependent upon public assistance. The Democrat party panders to that constituency xo they will hold power in perpetuity.

Carolyn Zaremba • 4 years ago

Social inequality is the fault of capitalism, not liberalism. You can take your conservative values and move to Utah or some other right-wing state. Good bye.

Kapricorn4 • 4 years ago

So called liberalism has morphed into neoliberalism, that is no different than neoconservatism.

SSINTENSE • 4 years ago

Funny that the states with the worst social inequality are all blue states.

Zeezladon • 4 years ago

So much for tolerance and inclusion, eh Carolyn?

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

Why wouldn't some of them consider the state to be one big college campus?

CommonSense • 4 years ago

Oh, I am. My money, too. Inequality reflects different life choices, but your way allows you to claim victim status. Not a coincidence, is it?

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

In addition to the state showing this, which is more dramatic than the US economy's own "hollowing out" in some ways, or the Bay Area, it's particularly stark within "progressive" jewel San Francisco, where visitors might do well to have needle-proof, human-waste-proof boots on their feet and maybe some other prudent measures taken, particularly if they visit from somewhere on BART.

freedomhawk • 4 years ago

Well adding my voice here. I am leaving California because for all the reasons this article stated, the biggest one is the SOURCE of the problem, and as a 40 year resident of the Golden state who legally immigrated here at 5 years old and grew up under the blessings of the 1980's Golden Age, I will tell you all that this is the reason it's falling apart - it's the Democrats. I tend to be apolitical in a lot of cases but when a party has TOTAL CONTROL of a state for 25 years and runs it into the ground....bolstered only by the tech bubble to save it from total disaster....then that party has to bear the responsibility. Nobody can point at Republicans or Trump on this one. Democrats have gone full socialist. The 1st and 2nd amendments are under assault. Crime is at an all time high. Liberals run the major cities and make policies via 2000 or so "commissions" that waste our money and largely inhibit growth. Unfettered illegal immigration has turned our major cities into barrios full of needy people who can't support themselves, don't speak English, suck at education, and need social services to survive. These same illegals,4 million of them, who didn't do what my family did and assimilate and LOVE the country and the Constitution built much of the basis of the current body politic, not caring at all about the traditional freedoms of America or the basis of Capitalism, much more into themselves and what they can get in benefits in large part. Then there is the homeless situations, made so much worse by the Democrats yet again - giving free reign to the drugs, the gangs, the social misbehavior and crushing our norms to make life so unlivable that even bluer than blue liberal friends of mine can't take it anymore.

Then add that this same group of Democrats and their rich friends in the Coastal Commission and other worthless bodies make regulatory environment so expensive to build new houses that we have a housing shortage, and that we're dumping $25 billion a year into illegal alien services (FAR more than they give back in paltry sales taxes) and you have a perfect storm of stupid.

But despite all that, I didn't leave. My wife and I both doggedly stuck it out because we love our home state. But we just bought another home in the Carolinas and are leaving in 6 months. The transgender education stupidity was the final straw. If California's Democrats are now in full on denial of basic biology and science AND wanting to cram it down on your kids whether you want them to or not (you can't opt out of transgender "education" under the new law) then you are a BAD parent unless you protect your kids. It's either $15K a year for private school or get the hell out of California. I just bought another house instead of the private school and am looking forward to leaving.

Thanks Democrats. Thanks Liberals. You all suck, and we'll laugh from safely across the country as your cities descend into the hellscape from the Book of Eli.

Zeezladon • 4 years ago

What it will take is for California to secede from the Union. President Trump called Cal Dems out on the homeless problem, and Gov. Newsom called him an idiot!
Fine. California, I love you, but this ride is getting old. Form your own country -- and see how long you survive the real world with your stupid ideologies.

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

The CalExit airhead kiddies mentioning that since Trump was elected are also that stupid.

Do they realize that they'd be leaving without most to nearly all territory and other assets?

Kevin Gregerson • 4 years ago

Who the hell cares about transgender education. If they want to teach it, it's not going weaken anyone to know it exists.

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

It's another example of liberal politics and a related trend or fad interest replacing the nominal or "official" item, in this case education (again).

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

Good luck in whichever of the states you're residing. The bad continue to drive out the good, and there are many more who plan to leave eventually, likely to increase the worse California gets.

If you liked the 1980s, the true Golden Age coincided with the Golden Era of the US economy (1947-1973), notably from the late 1950s through the 1960s. Growth control sentiment began at the end of this time. By the end of the 1970s or start of the 1980s it was already expensive (which seems unreal to those facing the costs that exist now), people sometimes moved out of the Bay Area or out of the state, and there was heavy traffic already (with multiple cycle failures at some intersections) in the Santa Clara Valley. "Tech" already had been quietly developing and spurring development of residential housing in addition to the earlier business parks in Santa Clara and the like, before then.

freedomhawk • 4 years ago

I guess "Golden ages" are in the eye of the beholder. Both of my parents were successful medical professionals from India who had a good life in Canada. They got so excited by the Reagan Revolution that they decided to give it all up and bring us here and start over, from nothing. What a great country. Too bad Democrats like Cuomo think "it was never that great"

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

The 1980s were nicer than now, yes. It's too bad you weren't here earlier, too.

Cuomo and his braying (imitated by Corey Booker) are a pain in the ass. Worse are the politics, the more substantial version of the sick little fluff we have in California. (Maryland's little liberals try to imitate NY-NJ-CT on various political issues.) The Northeastern and Midwestern Blue places have their own exodus issues, and a Bluing of Dixie and elsewhere in part from it, not just central and southern Florida.

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Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

It's typical liberal hatred and intolerance in addition to idiocy, and another example of the bad driving out the good. And yes, the better people, especially natives who have seen the good before as well as the bad later, resent the state's being ruined, often for pathological (diseased) liberal political reasons, not due merely to overcrowding or being "loved to death" like Yosemite decades ago.

Myth Dispulsion • 4 years ago

The bad continue to drive out the good ... likely to increase the worse California gets.

Candid One • 4 years ago

I'm a pre-boomer, LA County native, who's been in Silicon Valley for 50 years. If you thought the Eighties were the CA Golden Age, you're living a warped life. That was the decade of the Reagan recession, started during the Carter Administration. That was when the post-Vietnam recovery was felt most. The Eighties were the time of the early high-tech/IT boom, when population turnover and growth became most noticeable. Since the Seventies, CA's population has more than doubled, as US internal migration focused on the post-industrial jobs booms in Silicon Valley and SoCal. Most "lllegals" are not visible to you, and many aren't from Latin America. CA has always been a nonmajority state. Most folks don't realize how the US Census didn't begin to differentiate demographic details until the Nineties and most older residents don't bother with the new, gimmicky categories. Your notion of any post-WWII era as a CA Golden Age is grossly silly; CA has been hosting US interstate migrations since the Great Depression and most forget that CA was Mexico before the US-Mexico War and the Gold Rush. Now, CA is the largest, richest, most diverse state in the nation in myriad ways that are incomparable. So many pedestrian complaints are without any frame of reference. So many have no clue on the issue of "compared to what?"

Zeezladon • 4 years ago

Compared to what, you say?
I came up in the Bay Area in the 80's when it really was "Silicon Valley". There were foundries, defense electronics manufacturers, HP, Litton, WJ, Amdahl, Avantek, FMC, Lockheed. SR237 was a two lane road with a stop light at 1st St. I lived in Sunnyvale and worked in the industry.
George Deukmejian, a Republican, was Governor, Pete Wilson, a Republican, was Senator. We didn't have beggars, homeless encampments, trashed highways, and disrespect for law and order. We do now. There's your comparison. And we all know who is responsible.