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Matthew LeDoux • 4 years ago

Give Thank's to the Lord for he is mighty & this Love endures forever!!!

joanmariebernadette • 5 years ago

SUPPORTING you after watching the video on YouTube, "The Vortex" segment with Michael Voris' report on the Diocese of Manchester's BULLYING of this traditional group. The link to the video: https://youtu.be/gwPGrplsn7s

I tried to copy my comment on this YouTube video, here, but couldn't get it to cooperate.
It starts out: "ANGER. Hierarchy of the Diocese of Manchester get your act together..."

Louis Mountbatten • 5 years ago

Your Order was the last hope in this country for Doctrinal reunification in this Church which has decided to destroy itself. The fact that you have decided to abandon belief in the Salvation Dogma in favor of a convoluted, polemical, incoherent comprehension tells all your readers that the Established Church can no longer be trusted, as visibly speaking, it does not represent the timeless Catholic Faith.

Nope, that is your toxic and heresy
So, Catholic Church is True

Jillian • 5 years ago

Unfortunately I don't think Mr Mountbatten read the above statement. It's very clear that SBC still does, and always has, defended the dogmas of the Church with fidelity and courage.

Thank you, Brother. I hope this helps others to join the crusade of SBC!

Louis Mountbatten • 5 years ago

Either 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' is absolute, or nothing can be true. Visible, tangible, real membership in the Church, or eternal damnation. The End.

Padrepio • 5 years ago

You do not have a full understanding of the Catholic faith, sir. I would encourage you to pray and study your faith more. Everything Brother Andre stated above is orthodox Catholic teaching.

Louis Mountbatten • 5 years ago

I don't care what you decide to call it, it's not of God, and it makes no sense.

Jillian • 5 years ago

The above is still a full embrace of the Church's teaching EENS. Read carefully. Nothing contradicts what SBC has always presented as the Church's teaching on the dogma. Look at the website. Talk to Brother... SBC has not changed their position on EENS, they've just explained it for the simpletons who can't be bothered to see past the end of their own nose.

The dogma of EENS is like "glue". It might not be the most important dogma of the Faith, but without it, you can't keep the rest together.

Louis Mountbatten • 5 years ago

But according to them and the Vatican there are exceptions and to my mind the only exception to Salvation is in the Catholic Church as ordinarily all men are lost unless they be baptized with water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. No exceptions.

Jillian • 5 years ago

Read the above again. There are no exceptions.

Louis Mountbatten • 5 years ago

I can't in charity continue this discussion. Know that nothing any of you are writing makes sense to me. I shall continue to believe as I always have. But this is where I must take my leave, as my next message will be coarse and un-Christian.

Matthew LeDoux • 4 years ago

The Lord,God is mighty this Love endures forever. Keep faith, knowing that through hardships & disputes, our salvation isn't always "given", seemingly we shouldn't take it for granted...However whichever doctrinal status or conclusions drawn, this is a gift.

Thank you, Jillian!

Mises Hayek • 5 years ago

So do you believe a soul can attain baptism of desire without believing in the essential mysteries of faith so as long as they are ignorant? Some of the above statements seem to imply that. Seems quite contrary to the previous position of the SBC. Correct me if I’m wrong.

No. The text is clear that the theological virtue of Faith is necessary for justification, as is Hope and Charity. See points ten, thirteen, and fourteen, which should clarify things for you.

God bless and Mary keep you.

Mises Hayek • 5 years ago

My bad. I was reading way to fast. I understand that careful formulation is nessesary when in contact with diocesan people.
Don’t respond to this question if your going to get in more trouble btw. You can remove or edit this comment if it’s going to cause harm. (Diocesan modernist police) I’m glad you affirm the nessesary of explicit belief in the essential mysteries of faith.

So I know you guys don’t believe in baptism of desire (as a theological opinion only) but I was wondering what you thought of St Alphonse’s statement that BOD/BOD was “de fide”. I know you probably heard this argument a billion times. I was also curious as to what Alphonse’s meant when he said “implicit” desire was sufficient?

A lot of people use this term “implicit” and expand it but how does the church define this term?

We must of course remember that St Alphonse’s also taught explicit faith in Christ as nessesary for salvation.

Keith • 1 year ago

If you're Catholic, you cannot in good conscience quote from the "Catechism of the Catholic Church". I refer to the modern, Modernists' edition from the 1990's, that people are told is the official catechism of the Catholic Church. It is but a decoy, published by the anti-Church, NewChurch or Conciliar church, which is headed by the heretic J. Bergoglio. It contains heresy; therefore, no Catholic should have anything to do with it.

Barry Wilson • 2 years ago

When did Jesus say that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on salvation?

When He founded the Catholic Church on the Rock of Peter (Matt. 16:18) and then commissioned it to spread the Gospel, declaring "He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me." (Luke 10:16)

Many more citations here: https://catholicism.org/doc...

andrew wheeler • 4 years ago

This is all so confusing and academic to a lay Catholic. I read a little at a time. I hit my head in 2016 and things go slower. I'm 40 now. I'd like to better understand the above doctrine. If anyone could explain some of it to me in plain English, with the sacraments as a basis, I'd love to know more. But, that's a lot to ask of strangers, I understand.

Louis Mountbatten • 4 years ago

Unfortunately Andrew, Brother Andre (in my opinion) has fallen victim to perpetual word-smithing inasmuch as it applies to the traditional understanding of the Salvation Dogma. There is only one exception to Eternal Damnation, and that is Faith in Christ by visible membership in His Catholic Church; no conspiracies around the Deluge by virtue of "Baptism of Desire" or "Invincible Ignorance". Rome, currently that is, officially teaches that salvation can and may be achieved outside the Church, despite all evidence and previous teaching pointing to the contrary. This isn't difficult to understand (not referring to you, but to Catholics as a general whole).

andrew wheeler • 4 years ago

Thank you.

Paul Francis • 3 years ago

I've come across your request a goodly time after it was made, but I thought I'd attempt to offer a few points, rarely made in this way, which might lend insight. Let me say at the outset that I owe consciousness of this paradigm to the heroic charity of a layman whose letters to CUF many years ago were as a springboard for my understanding things that had NOT been taught, let alone clarified in the course of four years' theological studies:

The state of grace reflects in significant ways the phenomenon of respiration: we "breathe" at the cellular level because there is an iron-based magnet in our blood which can attract oxygen to itself and distributes that life-sustaining gas throughout the whole of our body. The analogy lies in the fact that supernatural Faith (as distinguished from merely human faith) is the "hemoglobin" of the soul, drawing to itself the divine "oxygen" of sanctifying grace. This supernatural Faith is divine and Catholic: it is divine for three reasons; it is likewise Catholic for three reasons: it is divine, because God is the One giving testimony. His testimony, being of Himself, is divine Revelation. Lastly, it is divine because He Himself imparts a grace to us that we receive/accept His testimony. Supernatural Faith is Catholic because: a) it is the Faith revealed for the salvation of EVERY man, woman & child since the promulgation of the Gospel; b) it is integral: one cannot take it "piecemeal," for in doing so, the witness one accepts is that of a human judge, not God's testimony.C) Lastly, supernatural Faith is Catholic because it is the Faith taught -- in some eras, far better than others! -- by the Catholic Church.

I'd be happy to share more points which would respond to your request more completely, but which I think might belabor the space provided here. Feel welcomed to hunt me down on FB should you which to pursue this.