'reliability improvements' 😂

Yeah like everytime i get updated my windows bugs and i have to reinstall my os again,

Well the fact is that if you're doing this then check your ram and Tom and the other problems could be that your bio's might need a flashing

But get it done by someone why knows how to do it as there are problems that can happen if its not done right

I've always wondered if Microsoft could be held liable in some form for the actions of botnets formed from exploited unpatched Windows PCs. I suspect forceful updates are a preemptive attempt to show that they are doing all they can to mitigate the possibility.

Updates that take a lifetime to install and the nightmarish results is why I switched a Mac more than 10 years ago. That along with the highly cumbersome interface and error messages, viruses, spyware, etc. If I need it for an older work application I run Parallels since the Mac can run both OS at the same time.

That's cool. No once cares though. Mac stinks in so many ways I couldn't possibly consider switching. They are constantly behind the times in terms of hardware, software, etc. I mean they don't even have touchscreen capability on their laptops yet- which is available in a 500$ laptop on windows, with a pen included (I know because I have one. It's great). They overcharge and under deliver, period. If they ever turn into a value proposition product, given their lack of features, maybe. They may have one niche in music. For all else, there is windows.

Exactly this. Mac overcharges for less features and power. Windows is far from perfect but it is the most user friendly while still leaving a lot of power over the OS accessible to the user

The touchscreen argument is one of the silliest ones I've seen. A keyboard and touchpad, the latter is which is considered to be the best in the industry, have worked great for years. I don't need to touch my screen to work. If they overcharge and under deliver, you should let all those programmers, scientists and professional creatives know that the Macs they've been loving are garbage. Go home boomer, you're drunk.

Just because you think it is silly doesn't mean that it is and Apple would would not be the first company to sell it's fanboys a bag of hot air and call it substance!

I hate MACs and their proprietary junk. Windows may be cumbersome, but don't get me started about MACs. Lol!

Sadly 3d rendering in macs sucks thata why I haven't changed

Times have changed, Internet speeds are faster and you can control when it updates. Granted 10 years ago that wasn't the case but your point of view on Windows updates mean nothing a decade later.

I use both. I have a MacBook air and several hackintoshes. My Big Sure hackintoshes are more stable than me insider preview windows 10 installs (on the same hardware)

Pricing is dependent are your country too. I live in Japan and most Mac laptops are more affordable than a similarly specd windows machine without the speediness of repairability that comes with a Mac. That includes Microsoft, Dell XPS line etc.

I have a Surface Laptop 2 as well. Beautiful machine. No pen, however and I never use the touch interface.

For browsing and chatting, I prefer MacOS. For productivity Windows.
For video my Xbox One s lol.

Message:
Don't be a slave to one environment if you can help it.

Hate to say it, but Mac sucks the donkey dong. The hardware is lackluster for what you pay, and you cant even run 90% of what's on Steam without WINE or hacking the Mac to install Windows. And what would be the point of trying to play a AAA game on crap hardware to begin with?

Build 2004 stinks. Broke a lot of stuff on a 1909 machine of mine that was working fine. Video players freeze solid. Explorer freezes. Random reboots. Nothing in the system logs to explain it.

i don't have random reboots with 2004, but I find it is not as responsive as when I had 1809 on here and there are things that don't work the same . Resolve takes ages to start up now, i know it took a while anyway, but takes longer now.

On my machine, build 2004 actually fixed some stuff that stopped working after I upgraded from the factory installed build 1803. For what ever reason the stuff did not work on 1809, 1903, and 1909, but started working once more on build 2004. No video freezes or other mysterious crashes either. Aside from cortana being separated from the search bar, it just might be the best win10 build yet imo.

With the latest update you will find better performance

I recall that build 1803 was the build that made me hit the big reset button and rebuild the whole thing. I might do that again. 1909 even tolerated me swapping out the old Z77 motherboard and it's I5-2550K for a Asus B450 and Ryzen 2700X. Yeah, a big reset before I get my RTX 3070 this fall might be in order.

Was your os registered with a digital licence if not then there is your problem only valid installs will accept the update without errors

It's a WIN7 Ultimate (non-OEM) that got the free upgrade to 10. I actually deactivated the license on it before installing the Ryzen hardware as I was certain I'd have to do a clean install from scratch and reactivate. But, I didn't hit the key in time to stop it from diving into Windows so I let it run figured it would surely BSOD on me switching from Intel to AMD hardware but it didn't. It made it all the way into the OS, I updated the drivers and it was fine. Crazy man. Then I just reactivated Windows and was good. Rock solid until build 2004 came along. But..no crashes or freeze ups this week.

It needs an in place upgrade.

This is ridiculous! Microsoft just needs to stop this. The update they pushed to my PC back in May actually broke my ability to open about half of the applications I had installed. 3 hours of troubleshooting with a Microsoft tech later, we ended up having to nuke the OS and install an older build. Now Microsoft wants to force us to update! FN BS!

Same here. I did finally do a fresh install and got to 1909. Lots of crashes due to high cpu processing by Cotrana, the Windows Store Services,
Malware Detection, and Windows compatibility Telemetry . I frequently have to disable all these MS spying 'improvents'.

At this point in time I am scared to do the last feature upgrade to 2004. I'm holding off until it does it to me without permission. (At end of support for 1909). What a mess.

PS i worked in IT for a database company for 20 years using lots of Unix and Linux variants. I would never think of running enterprise software on windows.

I'll tell you something now just sent to me this update is an old one the updates at the moment are well past that one yet some always think they know better

At this point Microsoft is no different than Google in wanting to obtain as much information from their users as possible. Information and control is what Software company and especially those who make Operating Systems are after. Nobody can convince me otherwise at this point.

It's what they are all after. Data is where the money is now, and ai, Wich requires data, is what makes the money in the future. So they need the data. Not saying I agree with the practice. But that's their point of view.

It might be helpful to explain to people, especially users of Windows 10 Home, exactly how they might go about "avoiding KB4023057".

Stopupdates 10. disables updates and -optionally- if you want- will block MS from re enabling them remotely. I have been using it for about 1 year now and it works well. When updates come out, I ignore shill sites like ZDNET and wait for more legit sites like askwoody to say it is ok to update. And even then, I do a backup or a snapshot just in case something goes wrong. So far so good.

The turd that wrote this article couldn't even proofread. Do you expect sanity too?

I think the reason you got the down votes is because it's spelled TERD. 😁

Dear Microsoft! It can't be this difficult to understand...
If I'm a power user and I ignore specific updates, the one and only thing that I would expect not to happen is them being installed forcefully...
Windows 10 is the most annoying operating system period.

Didn't read Fully, Microsoft gave me another reason to switch to Linux

I've been making my living with computers since '86, and have seen Microsoft go from essentially *being* the industry to being a relatively small player. I'd like to think I helped - by pushing clients to Linux and non MS applications and programming languages. MS's ethos of striving for control rather than looking to enhance user efficiencies has been at the root of our rejection of them I think –
And what do they get out this? How do they monetize the forced spying (what’s their euphemism ? “telemetry ”?)
And what do they get out of forcing the updates but furious users and more Apple and Linux and Android users?
But they don't learn; this is the same mentality that led to the text menus in Office being yanked ( no choice given the users) or the fiasco of the Win8 GUI -

Microsoft would probably love to get out of the home PC user market. Windows isn't their most important layer anymore, Nadella himself has flat out stated this. The cloud and AI is where Microsoft is steering, and Windows support is legacy at this point.

Agreed; they cant get much out of it now, but in my imagination every 4 or 5 years some new round of junior executives comes in and says something like “We’re on millions of desks. There must be some way of monetizing this!” And as they must lack all imagination they say:” Google and Facebook are spying on everyone, lets copy what they do!” or they say “Apple has a store, let’s make a store.” Or “Google got rich with advertising, lets make a Google clone.”
MS, if you’re reading this, I have some ideas that are new and might actually work -

Just quit MS crap once and for all and go with Linux! Thats what I did, when windows 10 came out, and never looked back.

This after doing IT for 33 years and doing support on MS Crap since DOS 3.0.

My computer belongs to me and I ONLY, decides when I want to install or update something.

Pfft. I run Win 10 Edu, and have simply disabled Win update through the Group Policy Editor (a Microsoft tool). So I ONLY decide when I update or even if I do it at all. Just like you.

After 30+ years and MS still a pain for the mere mortal, we technology gods rely on unix, and linux, when will the rest of mere mortals learn how to become gods? MS should not be allowed beyond the desktop or laptop of the end user where it cannot do any harm, servers and back office should never ever run MS............ maybe the reason why MS is including Linux kernels in future releases, MS as you know it will die of overweight and undescribable code syndrome.

Well push to shop another parts, I've lost 1 hard drive because of the 2004 build

Same here..it destroyed a rock-solid build and from I can tell put my SSD into nonstop read-write loops that killed it (still investigating though). I'm literally installing Manjaro as I type this from my laptop. If you don't care about games (or Winamp LOL) you don't need Windows much at all.

Try Salient os arch based distro .

Explain to me how a Windows update kills hardware and how they aren't being sued for it.

More likely your hard disk was ready to die so not Microsoft fault it capped out on you. Would have most likely died whatever you did.

Microsoft suks when thy try to force unwanted upgrades.

I recommend installing a program called "simplewall". It's a super simple firewall which blocks internet access to all programs and services except those you specifically allow.
It will block all updates, telemetry (spying) and will prevent programs from "calling home" or sending your data back to the author's servers.
It's amazing really, to see how many connections your computer tries to make to send data out to who-knows-where.

No it won't ,many "spying" call-outs are hard-coded into the OS .

Simple Firewall won't stop it though it will stop a lot of it.
The closet best idea i've seen is to have a a hard firewall ,like using a second old pc as a firewall ,so everything gets sent there first.

Who proofread this article?

Probably Microsoft Word which explains alot