Ever hear of a kid named Stephon Marbury? Well, in the (3) seasons with the Nets, before he came to the Suns, he averaged 23 ppg & 8 Assists......Kyrie is at 21.6 ppg and 5 Assists. He kept it at 21 & 8 in his time with the Suns. Basically, they're the same player.

Bledsoe has increased from 17.0 and 6 to 21 and 6 in his time with Phoenix. Bledsoe is also a better rebounder AND defensive PG than either one of them.

So, Kyrie is fun to watch with his crazy ball handling skills but he isn't any better than (2) players we've experienced here.....I'm not sure why people are so quick to want to get rid of Bledsoe when he's not the type of player that will suck up the ball and cost the team.

He even has Marbury's attitude. He didn't like sharing top billing with Kevin Garnett and forced the Wolves to trade him. All the Wolves received was Terrell Brandon and a 1st rd pick that turned into Wally Szczerbiak.

Exactly don't over pay

"I'm not sure why people are so quick to want to get rid of Bledsoe when he's not the type of player that will suck up the ball and cost the team."

Agree with the premise of your post but you sure about the above quote? I've seen Bledose play "yo-yo" with the basketball many a night...

Bledsoe sucks up the ball quite a bit. He and Booker often combined for 40 plus shots, half of the Suns total. But I don't see Irving as that big of an upgrade. Plus, the Suns still have Poor Brandon Knight on the roster. Along with the vet from the Mighty U. And Ulis.

Is he the vet because he went to school more than one year.

Yes! Four year senior. Mature. Not a gangly greed head.

Not quick to get rid of Bledsoe.

I just don't think he is happy with being sat last season. He is not going to be even close to winning a championship with The Suns. If we ever/when we are he will be past his prime. He is also buddies with Lebron(someone feel free to add the video telling us to pay Bledsoe). He has 2 years left on his contract, so he could go with Cleveland for a year and try and win a Championship.....hell he'll get to play in the playoffs. And then he could go somewhere else after Lebron bails on Cleveland again.

Bledsoe has been one of the most loyal players we have a had and I would love to keep him, but I would rather see him win a championship than waste his prime waiting on our players to develop. If he comes back after those 2 years, he will be welcome with arms wide open.

I'm in the trade Bledsoe while we can camp because I know those knees are going soon. He more than likely will not have longevity in this league due to his knee. Irving would be a good get for us and would bring in other free agents down the road.

While I'm not going to disagree that Bledsoe's injury history is a reason for concern with him, Irving is actually very comparable in the injury prone department. After only being out for injury once in 2013 (due to flu), Irving has been classified as injured a ridiculous 13 times since 2014 (14 if you include the time he was reported to have some unspecified illness but I don't think that's worth counting). These include but are not limited to numerous left knee injuries (everything from contusions, multiple bouts with tendonditis, to even a fractured knee cap that required surgery), a left shoulder strain, lower back issues, left bicep issues, ankle issues, right hamstring issues, and right quad issues.

Over that same span Eric has only 4 issues, a sprained right knee, soreness in his left knee, and of course his two left knee surgeries. Granted thats one surgery more then irving, but the fact remains that Kyrie has yet to get through a season since 2013 with out suffering multiple injuries. Bledsoe's just got bad knees, nearly every joint and muscle on Irving's body seems to be barely holding together.

My point being, both players come with some long term health concerns, and that if you want Bledsoe gone because you think he's too much of a health liability (which again, I think is fair), you probably shouldn't be trying to get Irving instead since his body also seems to be made of glass.

Don't see Irving as that big of an upgrade. And it's doubtful the Cavs and LeBron want any young Suns or draft picks. Remember, LeBron instantly jettisoned the Cavs two No. 1 picks in the draft - Wiggins and Bennett. The Timeline is now for LeBron.

I have to agree. I mean if you compare Bledsoe's year this year to Irvings the year prior, Bledsoe actually out performed him even on the offensive end almost across the board (even shooting better from behind the arc if you can believe it). While Irving was definitely a better shooter this year (he shot 4% better overall last year and 7% better from behind the arc), you could still argue Bledsoe made up a lot of that in the defensive side of the court where Irving is a known liability. Throw in the fact that Irving likely got better looks on average due to opposing teams game planning so heavily against Lebron, the comparable injury history, the higher salary, and just how ineffective the Cavs were when Irving was the face of the franchise prior to them re-signing Lebron, and all Irving really has that makes him stand out is a more recognizable name for attracting other players. But after this demand to be traded, that name may be more recognized for the wrong sort of reasons, seen as the name of a malcontent who doesn't like to play with other talent or care about winning, which could actually push players away from signing with us if we got him so even that's not a clear advantage.

Maybe there's a deal out there that ends with Kyrie in phoenix that makes sense, but I agree, I think most of the ones Cleveland would actually accept would require us give up far too much for far too little an upgrade.

I don't see the Suns having anything the Cavs want. Not even Booker. Wiggins is better than every Sun and LeBron wanted no part of him.

Well the one x factor the suns may have working in their favor (assuming they even want to be involved in a kyrie trade) is that Lebron is supposedly friends with Bledsoe, so its possible the Suns might be included in any trade that goes down purely based on Lebron's interest in playing with a friend, and one which you've already admitted really isn't that much of a down grade from Kyrie. But I do agree that there's a reason that so many of the trade rumors going around involving the suns are 3 team trades, as, after Bledsoe, its unclear what pieces the suns have Lebron would want.

Lebron and Bledsoe are friends of a sort, but LeBron has a much closer banana boat point guard friend in Chris Paul. And Paul will be a free agent next year. I think LeBron is looking toward that. Bledsoe complicates the masterplan.

Bledsoe+Warren and MAYBE a 1st rd pick but nothing else.

Cavs don't want no stinkin picks.

Gonna cost more than that. Kids only 25 and already a superstar.

I don't see us paying that much. We definitely aren't paying more. We're more likely to get involved as a third team and get rid of Chandler and possible deal Bledsoe for Ntilikina.

That would be ideal. Better than a trade for Irving...

What they want and what they get are probably different. Besides, what matters most is the contracts mating up under the CBA. Bledsoe and Warren meet that criteria.

He also lowered his trade value by announcing he wanted out, and did you see what the Pacers and Bulls got in return for PG-13 and Butler?

Exactly

Disagree he is not that much better than Bledsoe I wouldn't give up more than Bledsoe and a first pick and Labron likes him

Irving, Frye and Shumpert go to the Knicks. Love goes to Phoenix.
Carmelo goes to Cleveland and Ntilikina goes to Phoenix.
Bledsoe and Chandler go to Cleveland.

Knicks prolly dont want Iman back.

Yeah but he is necessary to make the numbers work. The price of acquiring Kyrie Irving and dumping Carmelo. T.J. Warren might have to go to New York also but only becasue New York wants him.

Irving and Derrick Rose on the same team? Won't work. That is, if Rose stays a Knick. He might go to the Cavs and oust Irving there.

Stay a Knick? Rose hasn't been a Knick for almost three weeks. .

He's in hazy free agent land. He could resign with the Knicks. Who else is going to give him the coin he thinks he deserves?

Nothing hazy about it. They renounced his rights when they signed Tim Hardaway Jr. No team is giving Derrick Rose the "coin" he thinks he deserves. He is about to sign a one-year veteran minimum deal with Cleveland.

Lakers can offer their $4.3 million mid-level room exception to sign Rose but he is looking to sign with a contending team. None of the contending teams have any significant money to gamble on Rose.

Hard to imagine Rose signing a one-year vet minimum. He claimed he was looking for $200 million. Crazy money being paid these days.

He signed a one year deal for $2.1M with the Cavaliers. He's already made his bones; he wants to win.

Lakers are looking to bring in Rose to help derail..err, "mentor" Lonzo's career... bwahahaha ;}

Not after Ball lit up the summer league. That Rose has a thorn - in his knee.

Sounds like someone got bored with the speculation, but why not?

come up with a trade proposal where the Suns don't have to take the OVERRATED Kevin Love ;]

Love is a good player. At Minnesota he was a great player. I think he was underutilized in Cleveland with Lebron and Kyrie being first and second option with Love relegated to third option.

Some believe that the rebuild must be accomplished with all 20 and under players or something like that. I do not believe that is a successful recipe for a rebuild, as there won't be player development with all young players. A healthy mix of veterans is needed. Maybe Chris, and Bender are the next great thing and maybe they aren't if they are then having an "overrated" Kevin Love won't hamper that, but will only make you deeper and give you trade chips once they establish their value.

Chandler didn't hold back Len. The fact that Len couldn't play to Chandler's level held back Len, and indicated that Len is not the next great thing, but perhaps is a serviceable center similar to Chandler.

Kevin Love and his contract are going to "age badly." He's not the ideal veteran "leader" the Suns should be looking for. But that's just me though...

Oh..and don't want the Suns young core to improve to deal one/ some away. Want them all to be a part of this rebuild. But I am realistic..

Chandler, personally didn't hold back Len, but his presence on the team and his buddy, buddy relationship with Coach Watson absolutely did. Was really hoping he took on the mentor, leadership role that former Pistons "Bad Boy" Mark Aguirre took with a young Dennis Rodman. It was Aguirre that went to Coach Daly and said that Rodman needed to start and that continuing to start himself, was holding back Rodman's progress. That never came to fruition in Phoenix. Chandler never really seemed to make it a point to take Len under his wing.

EBJM can elaborate and give his insight on the on the Watson/ Chandler/ Len situation...

Love has a career rebounding average of 11.5. That is factual, not hype.

Agree..but he's no Larry Bird, which is how some Suns fans seem to hype him up to be. I've seen plenty of Love in Minnesota and Cleveland to where I'm not under any delusions about the player he is.

He can stuff a stat sheet on a bad team. But his "20-10" doesn't translate into winning..or worthy of his max contract. And the contract thing, I said this before he was dealt to Cleveland. BUT he has shown that he is a team player and willing to sacrifice some of his stats for the betterment of team success. Always a plus.

I would take on Love to be our 3 point specialist Center and let Chriss play PF.

I like Dragan Bender as our situational Center. But would reluctantly take on Kevin Love as the price for acquiring Ntilikina.

I would happily take on Love if it meant getting rid of Chandler.

Getting Ntilikina and unloading Chandler would be the price of acquiring KLove, so yeah, I agree.

What's Love going to do surrounded by kids on a five-year timeline?

What's Love got to do with It?

It's a second hand emotion.

Love is the price of moving Bledsoe, Chandler and acquiring Ntilikina.

Steep price. Reeks of a Griffin/ Milsap acquisition.

BUT...if that's the price to acquire Frank Ntilikina? Then I'm for it.
Suns need a "QB" at point guard and FN has the intangible qualities and mentality to be that. Plus his length defensively kind of reminds me of Rajon Rondo.