And the conspiracy continues........ but seriously, who needs an extra SD card storage on a 256gig ROM Huawei phone anyway!!!

This sounds a bit silly now. What's next, Huawei is banned from using ASCII coded text?

At least someone has the slightest bit of common sense as to leave Samsung untouched. South Korea is an ally afterall.

To be honest i i didn't even want to buy a huawei phone, but because of this bullshit made by US government, I will buy one. Fuck you Apple. For sure you are behind this bullshit

Banning Huawei without a single evidence of the so called spy program it's complete BS. Also the second biggest Android phone seller and a massive laptop manufacturer that uses US based tech is going to impact the overall revenue in big american companies such as Intel, Nvidia and Microsoft. In the long run this is nothing but a bully attempt to force China into trade deal.

Its more than banning Huawei products. If its just security concern they just need to ban. But the US/allies are ganging up to kill off the company. More likely bcos US is afraid they can no longer spy on others via Huawei 5G and other products, and losing the technology edge.

I have the impression my old Huawei Y5 (560) is now faster!
For everyone who doesn't browse Chinese online shops and eBay, many seller ask buyers to state in their order if they want the phone rooted and which language they want as well Google applications as they are not very popular in China.
Using a very good and famous (not here) antivirus Trustmobi, I found often virus or malware in Google Play official store, and when on an old Samsung Galaxy Captivate i897 Trustmobi founded the famous old Carrier IQ inside the operating system 2.3.5 Gingerbread, no other antivirus downloaded from Google Play founded it.
And recently, don't understand why, Google Maps planning journeys with buses in London, ask me to walk when just in front of me there is the bus stop of the bus that takes me to destination!?
What about the kidnapping of the daughter of the Huawei founder?

More likely bcos US is afraid they can no longer spy on others via Huawei 5G

In that case, China should also ban Huawei.

This all just seems like bullying to me and I don't like it.

No, this is just the full force of the Law coming down upon a UN/US trade sanction buster. Similarly, the US courts are not bullying when they fine traffic offenders and send criminals to jail.

The US courts and your idiot of a president have zero business or mandate to interfere with the functionality of products purchased legitimately by millions of consumers outside your country. It's a bizarre state of affairs -- and more than a little offensive. Stop Huawei from selling its products in the US if you want to. The rest of the world has nothing to do with you.

You should vote with your dollars.

Spend your money on devices made without US goods and US technology.

It's not like I see people lamenting the fact that Android phones in China don't come with Google search and apps since they are banned in China.

It's just too bad that Huawei uses a lot of US technology in their Android mobile devices which they peddle to the rest of the world. It's just too bad that some consumers have bought Huawei devices and are very frustrated to be without any more updates/upgrades from Google.

Spot on.

Seriously makes no sense to place sanctions on Huawei. Any smartphone can let the phone owner get info about the rest of the World. Any brand of android ,including Huawei, also allows the US authorities gain info about the phone owner(like Iran) in addition. There has been one iphone owner that has murdered more than ten people, and Tim Cooks refused to unlock it for US authorities. So it'll be safer for a crook to own an iphone. I smell a repetition of the Toshiba-Konsberg scandal.

Oh well if you don't like it too bad Huawei likes to put spyware on their phones they must live with the consequences.

Where did that come from? Huawei has sent their code to UK and Germany, and they confirmed it to be safe. And their cloud servers are based in Germany. Should I remind you of what happened to ZTE and DJI? Do not forget the Toshiba-Konsberg scandal. South Korea's Samsung is left alone just because she's an ally.

Ok so explain why OnePlus and Xaiomi aren't being targeted. They're both Chinese companies as well. If this was really just bullying all Chinese companies would be on the banlist.

Bullying means making sure peops won't keep up the bully's pace. Banning means finishing them off for good. Have you ever pondered why only the orange man googler suffered, and the other offensive ones are left untouched? Morgan Freeman happened to have one clip a tad sensitive. He's making some examples out of his victims to everyone, and didn't mean to finish everyone off.

Yeah? What about Google, Facebook etc? Please tell me you do not believe that companies tracking your every move are playing fair?

Exactly that.

The number of tools on this website who are acting as if Huawei is an underdog is ridiculous. You do realize you bunch of tools that throughout the years Huawei has been reported bluntly stealing tech and copying technology of a lot of big companies, deploying backdoors in almost all their devices, sharing user direct data with the Chinese government (which happens to be their biggest investor) and lately undercutting every company on Earth to steal infrastructure contracts for 5G in unethical ways to deploy their agenda even further!

Many countries have banned Huawei before even the US did and no cooperation will ever cut business without having seen confidential and clear evidence collected by many intelligence agencies around the world. They are not going to share that info with you bunch of sad shells.

Wake up and stop your blinding fanboyism and deep disconnection with reality; Huawei is not an underdog, they are thieves and dishonest. They are not using data the same way all other companies do, instead they are handing data in an open plate to the Chinese government.

They are a cancer in the tech world and what they are doing has so much to do with control than just becoming big and innovative.

Any proof on that? I never was a fan of Huawei but what US is doing and forcing other countries do is bullshit.

I can't post a link but search about the backdoor found by Vodafone.

Even Vodafone says that story is BS. It was a piece of testing equipment that was left in place. Not even able to access it remotely.

Your statement is BS. Vodafone never said what you just wrote. Don't spread false info to defend Huawei.

Vodafone found the equipment and it had the backdoor since 2011.

Read theguardian article. Direct quotes from Vodafone said: “The ‘backdoor’ that Bloomberg refers to is telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the internet. Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this ‘could have given Huawei unauthorised access to the carrier’s fixed-line network in Italy’.

Please read the direct quotes from Vodafone ://www.theguardian.com/technol...

I can't post a link but search about the backdoor found by Vodafone.

Pathetic.

Huawei has sent their code to UK and Germany, and they confirmed it to be safe. And their cloud servers are based in Germany. Later the Google ban (Europeans: WTF?), ARM chipset ban and this.

This is a mere repetition of the Toshiba-Konsberg scandal.

Everyone knows how many times Trump has lied or broke away from pacts his predecessors signed for all that matters.

Ever heard of "bait-and-switch" to get you to pay up quickly to buy a nice-looking and high-quality product/service but then switch the promised product/service to a low-quality one.? = Huawei's stuffs may be safe/secure today but once you have committed to buy them by paying up, Huawei may later switch her already-installed stuffs into unsafe/insecure ones, eg via a firmware or system update sometime in the future.

You expect the US and Americans are stupid enough to listen and believe in you, the State-run Huawei and the communist China government that you are all innocent, do not lie and will not spy on USA.

I'm not born in China nor do I live there FYI. Just "guessing" Huawei is a form of "threat" is like "guessing my nationality"(nice guess).That doesn't even make any sense. What are the differences between android and an iphone? The latter lets you gain one way access about the rest of the World without the American authorities tracking you. Just so you know an iphone owner murdered more than 10 people and Tim Cooks refused to unlock it for the American authorities. And didn't google buy over Android and youtube in 2005? In case, you've forgotten, any android(including Huawei) let's the phone owner gain info about the rest of the world, yet lets the American authorities gain access to their privacy as well. The same can be said of the Iranians, and wouldn't it be more secure for them to get one iphone? Trump has already made an absurd accusation of Obama bugging his Microwave oven. It's ridiculous since all you can see is him grabbing food, and nothing else. BTW, I'm a Singaporean who already have a Huawei android phone. All android phones here are preinstalled with google. I'm not pro-China but ask for coexistence. CIA can come track my phone for evidence. LOL.

Do you know about the US visa-waiver program, post-911.? Do you know that Singaporeans do not need to apply for a US visa to visit USA for a short period. Do you know that Malaysians need to apply for a US visa to visit USA for a short period and some Malaysians are rejected.?

When it comes to US National Security, the Americans don't guess guess or play play. They make sure there are no to little risk. Similarly, USA does not allow China-ese tech companies like Huawei and ZTE to sell their 5G gear to US carriers.

I am aware of the last "accusations". I do travel but has limited my travel, due to expenses, so didn't care about travelling.Your slang reveals that you're a Singaporean as well, no? And the late Mr Lee has sued New York Times, didn't he? Singapore's system ask for hard evidence. Seeing someone beside a dead body does not confirm a murder for all that matter. And just so you know, NTU is part of Huawei's 5G research team. It's just a matter of competition who can complete this invention first,and the accusation of tech theft is invalid. Just like nuclear research: Nazis (who discovered fission explosion first) against US(who caught up). POFMA bill come rain a check on my claim on NTU and my claim on nuclear research.

Still, allegations of theft persisted. When David Barker, the chief technology officer of Quintel Technology Ltd., an Anglo-American developer of network antennas, attended a meeting with the Canadian network operator Telus Corp. in 2015, the Telus representatives told him about a new technology Huawei offered called “user specific tilt.”


Mr. Barker had never heard of “user specific tilt,” which could multiply the number of signals from an antenna and tilt them to provide greater accuracy in communicating with mobile phones.

Mr. Barker had, however, heard of a conceptually identical technology, ”per user tilt." He coined it seven years earlier, according to a Quintel lawsuit alleging misappropriation of trade secrets by Huawei. Quintel said it had shared the technology with Huawei in September 2009 after Huawei proposed a business partnership.

The partnership never came through. Huawei filed papers to secure a patent for the concept a month after their first meeting, using a document still emblazoned with Quintel’s name and the words “commercial in confidence.”

After a three-year court fight, Quintel acquiesced to a legal settlement last year. Brent Irvine, Quintel’s former engineering director, said the deal included “a durable non-disclosure agreement.” Other Quintel executives declined to respond to requests for comment.

Scientists including Emil Björnson, an engineering professor at Sweden’s Linköping University, say Mr. Barker’s signal-tilting epiphany—now Huawei’s—represents a building block of technology that forms signals in 5G networks.

“Today these are in the networks,” Mr Björnson said. “They may not call it ’user-specific tilt,’ but that is it in its most elementary form.”

And I'd love to share an interesting background about WSJ's boss background. He had a grudge against his Chinese wife when he stayed in China. And that's why Trump himself doesn't trust the media.

From wsj - 25 May 2019:

Huawei’s Yearslong Rise Is Littered With Accusations of Theft and Dubious Ethics


Chinese giant says it respects intellectual property rights, but competitors and some of its own former employees allege company goes to great lengths to steal trade secrets

And in case you've forgotten, what has Snowden claimed about google? And what has happened to Julian Assange? And look into the Toshiba-Kongsberg scandal. ZTE and DJI has been attacked as well. Don't you see too much of a coincidence, if I may ask?

Let's say that this ban thing is a scandal. What are the gains of it?

According to the logic of the Huawei-supporters+conspiracists here, Trump should have banned China's Lenovo long ago because Lenovo has been the No.1 PC seller in the world since 2013, in order to protect Dell and HP.

Trump is using Lenovo in the 5G competition. Haven't you seen how many times he allied with peops and ditch them shortly after? Besides, the PC market is too fractured to begin with. If you check the pc market itself, why do they keep slashing prices crazier than phones? To attract phone customers into their market. What you're describing is like he'll waste time picking on the DSLR camera market.

Most PCs do not use 5G for Internet connection. Lenovo does not sell 5G networking telco equipment.
Maybe you are referring to new competitive 5G phones from Lenovo/Motorola.

The smartphone market is also too fractured, eg China-brands = Huawei, ZTE, Xiaomi, Oppo/Vivo/Oneplus, Lenovo/Motorola, Meizu, etc.

Global PC sales in 2018 is US$240 billion or 407 million units. That is nothing to sneeze at. Global digital camera sales in 2018 is only US$16.6 billion. It's silly of you to equate digital camera and PC sales as a waste of time.

Global smartphone sales in 2018 is US$520 billion or 1.44 billion units.

Maybe I need to rephrase. If you compared the sales figures between PC over phone, doesn't the handphones have a bigger market? Wouldn't it be better to focus on the bigger one? And lenovo happened to be both in the 5G phone research and PC biz. It didn't matter if lenovo is in the PC biz or not, as smartphones have $280 billion more hope than PCs.

And lenovo happened to be both in the 5G phone research and PC biz.

This means Lenovo is a bigger target for Trump to ban, compared to Huawei, in order for him to help out US competitors, as claimed by Huawei supporters+conspiracists.

You sure are young. Technology aside, how many has Trump used and ditched? Nato, the American journalist's death in middle East ignored over business, how much aid is given to Guaido after his fall, and US loans in 2008? Trump repeating this ditching meant, he was confident that he could bare his fangs at lenovo later. So you seriously think he has high regards for lenovo, who is his tool, just to be disposed later?

Getting rid of a competitor in the EU. He can still sell ARM chipsets to others. Simple. Trump's tariffs work the same way so as to discourage companies importing to USA, so as to let US companies avoid competition. The new immigration policies are meant to provide more jobs for Americans.

I completely disagree with you but let's assume that you are right, why isn't Trump threatened by Samsung, for example?

South Korea is an important US ally. If he happened to push South Korea into a corner, will their government even allow their anti-missile stations (which involves spyware) to stick around? I'll bet he just knows this too well.

I don't think all of this will stop Huawei & shut them down.