thanks for taking the time to explain it, you cleared up the confusion!

your chart is absolutely terrific and slow-mo video the best

Confused with "ketschker on take off side", in first example it ends with a change of side. In "pull to ketschker on take off side", there is no change of side. So I need to stop thinking of ketschker as "no change of side"? In both front cross examples, you get a change of side so not confused there.

On the combination "moves" it will always be confusing. Also my terminology has evolved over time. For example, all the "Push to Back" examples where the handler goes with the dog to the back side aren't what I'd call a Push anymore.

On the Ketschker there is normally *not* a change of sides because it is equivalent to a Shoulder Pull; but with more collection cues. Alternately you can view it as a Front Cross wrap on the take off side of the jump followed by a Blind Cross as the dog takes the jump. In the later explanation there might not be much of the Front Cross wrap cues noticeable, just the turning to face the dog and cuing the jump with the dog side arm. But the hander stays inside the jump and just moves forward while the dog moves around behind them; but it's still a Blind Cross!

It confuses people when used in combinations with other "moves", because the blending of the moves may "edit out" the end of one and/or start of the other.

Don't loose sleep about naming, it isn't important!!! All these moves are just combinations of basic cues.

These demonstrations are extremely helpful -especially when you can analyze based on where you would be going next on a course. Thanks so much for the video- it says it all and presents some great practice opportunities.

Thanks SO MUCH for the slow motion video and the great color drawings.  Your dogs are so fast, that in other videos I had to stop them, replay, stop, etc.  This makes it much clearer.  Not that I really know what I'm doing, but I feel like I'd like to give it a try.  Handling has become so much more important in agility in the last 15 years.  I showed 3 Corgis in novice agility in the 1990s.  We, as well as most exhibitors, then, sort of tried to learn from the best, get any books available and a rare seminar.  I have 2 new dogs, and I really have to work on MY skills.
Thanks for the time you take to put together such a great website.

Thanks! Have fun!

Hello there steve,
   We are wondering here at our training facility if you ever put a wrap word or another word with your Ketschker move???

Hi Tina,
I don't use a verbal but I trained with German handler Silas Boogk last year and he does use a verbal. But he will also cue the Ketschker from *far* away so then the other physical cues aren't as helpful to tell the dog what you want. 

For me I will always be relatively close to the jump so my physical cues are always just signalling a jump wrap to my dog. It is my motion performing the blind cross *while* the dog is performing the obstacle that makes it a Ketschker. I like to say the Blind Cross should be a "non-event" for the dog.

So if I used a word I would make it the same word as for a jump wrap. FWIW - I only use a couple verbals - "Out": go to the back side of the jump and "Meeker" which means look at me and then I can cue collection or have him come to me with a physical cue.

Hope that helps,
Steve

As usual, a great resource, Steve.  A friend of mine and I went and practiced these yesterday.  More tools in the toolbox!

Always love your site and videos. How about making one for back side where dog and handler are coming from a diagonal 45 degrees or so to the right of the jump. Had this in a seminar recently and I would love to see what you say/do about the options in this situation.
Caroline

Caroline - are you asking how I would handle it if I take my dog across the front of the jump before taking him to the back side? If so you can do almost all the same handling methods:
- Push to back - FC take off (can be awkward)
- Push to back - FC landing side (both variations possible)
- Push to back - RC landing (except you end up shoulder pulling around the standard and then RC'ing)
- Push to back - scoop (you have to be fast)
- Push to back - shoulder pull take off (also called a Curly-Q)

I would most likely do one of the FCs on the landing side or the scoop...

I think you have described it. Jump on right of handler, dog on left. Running full out at 45 degrees. I'll re read your post

Thanks for giving so much inspiration. Sitting in Sweden looking on your videos. I will give my group a hint of your videos. Have some in the group that really needs to learn how to move :D

ACO Sweden - Hah! Thanks, glad you find this inspiring! My handling in the video is far from perfect, but I'm glad it is useful. 

I always try to handle proactively http://agilitynerd.com/blog... so that gives me a fraction of a second of extra time to start moving once my dog is committed to the jump; so you don't need to be super fast... just smart ;^)

I love, love, love the slo mo video.  It makes everything so much more understandable to me.  I printed out the chart (also a great help), set the jump up and practiced all 9 moves without a dog, then with both dogs, and when I had clear understanding, they understood and performed much better.  Thank you for your generousity in sharing.

Michele - thanks for the thanks! I'm glad you found it helpful!

Thank you, the slow motion was very helpful to me, I will be trying some of this today.  Looks like a great exercise for a class too. 

Thanks, this was inspiring and helpful

Do you ever try doing a couple of sets in slow motion?

I've added a slow motion video

Bev - if you use the Google Chrome browser you can watch any YouTube video in slow motion: 
http://agilitynerd.com/blog...