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MisterDavid • 9 years ago

Let me tell you what upsets me most about this abomination of an article.

It's not the self-righteousness, it's not the 'us against them' dualism, it's not the rampant biblical illiteracy, it's not its historical fallacies, it's not it's ethical double-standards, it's not even its dumb assumptions that all Arabs are Muslims or the misspelling of 'Islamophobia'.

What upsets me most is it's wholehearted rejection of the Great Commission.

Jesus did not say, "Go into all the world and make disciples of all nations, except Muslims - kill them." If you believe in the Jesus of the Gospels, then you have been commissioned to love and reach out to ALL the world, because Jesus died for us all. Every tribe and tongue. No exceptions.

Speaking as the husband of an Arabic Christian, and the friend of many missionaries and indigenous believers across the Muslim World, this article is an unChristlike abomination, disgusting in every way.

King Beauregard 👂 • 9 years ago

Hey Charisma Magazine, are you gonna come clean about this article of yours? I see you took it down, probably because you didn't like being called out on being supporters of genocide ... but can you be man enough to offer a proper retraction?

Get your scabrous hides out here, you cowards, and take your lumps like the good martyrs you always dreamed you would be if push came to shove! Except of course the martyrs were on the right side of history, and you and yours are, at best, 21st century Pharisees.

Doug Bristow • 9 years ago

2 Timothy 1:6-8

New King James Version (NKJV)

6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Not Ashamed of the Gospel

8 Therefore
do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner,
but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the
power of God,

The Starship Maxima • 9 years ago

And they said, Amen.

Doug Bristow • 9 years ago


RJR Fan • 9 years ago

Çünkü Tanrı bize korkakluk ruhu değil, güç, sevgü, ve özdenetim ruhu vermiştir.

Doug Bristow • 9 years ago

And what language is that and what is the translation?

James Johnson • 9 years ago

What many critics of this author don't seem to understand is a "Muslim American" is an oxymoron. They can only be "American" in the technical sense of where they reside (quietly and patiently waiting for their numbers to increase)--in America. However, if you are using the term as an insinuation of shared American ideals of "All men are created equal (i.e. what undergirds our Civil Rights)", then you are using the term in the most oxymoronic way. This would be like describing someone as a "Christian Satan worshipper".

To the Muslim that adheres to the Koran, an American (that subscribes to our ideals of freedom) is an "INFIDEL". Therefore, a "Muslim American" (that supposedly shares our ideals of freedom) is actually a "Muslim Infidel". The only way it is possible for a Muslim to be an American in the patriotic (shared ideals of freedom) sense of the term is if the Muslim is not an adherent to the Koran, but a heretic. 

Here are some disturbing facts about what is taught in mosques here in America:

A 2011 study has demonstrated that 80% of mosques right in this country are teaching jihad warfare and Islamic supremacism.

Researchers Mordechai Kedar and David Yerushalmi reported in the Summer 2011 issue of Middle East Quarterly about a new survey that found that “51% of mosques had texts that either advocated the use of violence in the pursuit of a Sharia-based political order or advocated violent jihad as a duty that should be of paramount importance to a Muslim.” Another 30% of mosques in the United States “had only texts that were moderately supportive of violence,” while only “19% had no violent texts at all.”

Timothy (TRiG) • 9 years ago

How many US churches teach Christian supremacism?

Ax2root • 9 years ago

Thanks for info

afchief • 9 years ago

Deport them???? 0bama has DOUBLED Muslim immigration!!!

According to a survey conducted by Pew Research, “the estimated share of legal Muslim immigrants entering the U.S. each year has roughly doubled, from about 5 percent of legal immigrants in 1992 to about 10 percent in 2012.” And this rise in Islamic immigration has been accelerated by a series of moves by Barack Obama.

For example, earlier this year the Wall Street Journal reported on a decision by the Obama administration to bring thousands of additional Syrian refugees into the country by the end of this year…

U.S. plans to resettle thousands of Syrians displaced by their country’s civil war could hinge on those refugees receiving exemptions from laws aimed at preventing terrorists from entering the country.

A U.S. official stated publicly for the first time this week that some of the 30,000 especially vulnerable Syrians the United Nations hopes to resettle by the end of 2014 will be referred to the U.S. for resettlement.


Ax2root • 9 years ago


"help iraqui Christians
Christian post.com 09/05/14

"..."What Americans can do today is write to their representatives and tell them the U.S. government needs to take more aggressive action toward the Islamic State, because this group is not only a threat to Iraq, it's a threat to America, eventually. And we need to deal with them now, before it's too late," Dawood told The Christian Post.

Dawood added that when Americans write to their representatives on behalf of Iraqi Christians, they should ask that the government allow them to immigrate to the U.S. within six months, and to provide humanitarian aid through the United Nations while they're waiting, "so they don't suffer or [resort to] selling themselves for sex so they can survive."

"I heard the president say last week that he doesn't have a strategy. Well, ISIS' strategy is to kill us. Their strategy is to convert us and kill us," he asserted.

The second thing Americans can do, he said, is to provide tangible assistance to the 250,000 refugees in Iraq through trusted nonprofit organizations that are helping Christians and other religious minorities who've been forced to leave their homes to flee the terrorist organization.

He also believes that there needs to be special criteria for Iraqi Christians who are seeking asylum, one that is separate and apart from the current quota system that is used for Iraqis who are immigrating to the U.S.

"There needs to be a special category to be accepted faster because these people are really the victims of this conflict," he added.

Fourth, and the most important thing Americans can do, he said, is to pray.

And fifth, Dawood encourages Christians to take part in rallies and speak at their churches to bring greater awareness and attention to the plight of Iraqi Christians who are being persecuted in their homeland.

Pastor Stephen Broden of Fair Park Bible Fellowship, who will be a featured speaker at the Dallas rally, told CP Thursday that three of the nonprofits that have been helping Iraqi Christians are Open Doors, Samaritan's Purse and Voice of the Martyrs.

"Like Bonhoeffer said, if we are silent in the face of evil we are agreeing with it, we are part of it; we become accomplices and are allowing it to happen. We don't need to wait. We need to take action now and be heard before it gets too late."

davidramseur • 9 years ago

Christian just war doctrine is about self defense and standing up for the oppressed. It is not hard to find those who are oppressed by Muslims following the dictates of their religion; they are everywhere! If one really wants to know about Islam's true nature they should listen to ex-muslims who are living under a death sentence. Of course you could also investigate the matter for yourself by actually reading the Quran and Hadith. You will quickly see the demonic influence of this death worshipping, destructive, and totalitarian religion! Thank goodness the crusades were fought. The world is a much better place today because Christians defended liberty and freedom. If they were not waged we would not have gotten the enlightenment, economic free enterprise, the technological revolution, etc...A new crusade is needed. It is the state's job to punish the evildoer! The government must protect western society from this ruthless and sadistic ideology! Specifically, our nation should tie all international aid, support, and strategic alliances to those countries who not only speak against terrorism but who can show actions against it. Not only this, but who openly condemn the violent and oppressive suras in the Quran and passages in the Hadith.

epazote • 9 years ago

>>> "The world is a much better place today because Christains defended liberty and freedom."
Christians slaughtered and enslaved 80 million indigenous Amerindians while "settling" in the Americas.
That doesn't account for approx. 1500 years of savagery committed by Christians in Europe and the Middle East before setting sail across the Atlantic Ocean towards the western hemisphere in 1492.

John Jay • 9 years ago

There is so much leftist propaganda in that bit it makes me squeamish. First off, indigenous Americans died of because of disease largely. And if you condemn Christians for slavery you essentially condemn every consortium of people before abolition, which was done by Christans. Christians made slavery the most humane and then abolished it. I doubt you would lay claims like this to other groups of people, probably revealing your anti-christian leftist, but I repeat myself, bias.

Rev.Gerald Palmer,MSW • 9 years ago

Falling out of my chair by the sheer force of your revisionist history.

Les Gray • 9 years ago

The word is "sheer." "Shears" are scissors.

Rev.Gerald Palmer,MSW • 9 years ago

Thank you my grammatical concerned brethren

epazote • 9 years ago

Just one account of many
Bartolome de las Casas
16th Century historian, Dominican friar, sailed with Colombus on his second trip to the "new world". One of the first European settlers in the Americas. First Bishop of Chiapas. His two most well known accounts
"Historia de las Indies"
"A short account of the destruction of the Indies"(English translation)
Official records from the British Commonwealth of Virgina 1690 Racial Indentity Act. The Commonwealth of Virginia 1708-1850 Racial Identity Act(s)
Pretty grisly reading, if you dare to educate yourself as to Christian activity in the Americas

Gavin • 9 years ago

Where did you get this nonsense about Europeans "enslaving" American Indians?

Also, were you aware that many Indians owned slaves themselves?

Plenty of data on the Indians' cannibalism, slave-holding, brutality toward women, etc. You must have this liberal delusion that all people except Christians are angels.

epazote • 9 years ago

Here's just one of numerous sources/accounts
Bartolome de las Casas (B. 1484-D.1566)...16th century historian. Dominican friar, travelled with Colombus on his second voyage to the "new world", Bishop of Chiapas. His two most famous accounts
"A Short Account of The Destruction of the Indies"
"Historia de las Indies"
Bartolome de las Casas was one of the first European settlers in the "new world". He participated in, and came to oppose the atrocities committed by Europeans on the indigenous population.
Other accounts are to be found in the official records of the British Commonwealth of Virginia dating back to 1690; Racial Indentity Act; Indian Indentity Act
It appears you have some reading/research to do. You are woefully uninformed.

Joe Marauder • 9 years ago

Another Christian-bashing troll, just what we needed...

epazote • 9 years ago

History offends thee ?

Ax2root • 9 years ago

A poster posted.

"Here is a perfect example of the anti-Christ:

Islam (Koran) calls the Son of God an abomination - and all of His eye-witnesses (apostles) liars:







And what does the New Testament say?

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Carnal commands of the Koran:

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

A poster posted

"Everyone should remember that the Grand Mufti of Egypt went to Germany before and during World War Two to have the German Nazis teach the Islamists their way of governance. Then he came back to Egypt and started the Muslim Brotherhood. Which was also the basis of Saddam Hussein"

Liadan • 9 years ago


oops sorry for caps. Not intended.

annie • 9 years ago

And what's wrong with homeschooling miss "devout Christian?".

Jason Taggart • 9 years ago

You have Indians confused with blacks. They are different groups.

epazote • 9 years ago

Indians were indeed sold into slavery
British Commonwealth of Virginia Racial Indentity Act 1690; Indian Identification. Indians were adjudged to be, and counted as "B/Black" or "M/Mulatto" and were enslaved along with Blacks brought to the colonies.
Racial Integrity Act was in force until 1964...Indians were no longer slaves, but forbidden by law to marry and/or have relationships with whites.

JustNTyme • 9 years ago

Liberals are kinda dense, you have to overlook them.

Blake Henderson • 9 years ago

So that's your fantastical rebuttal..... and you're calling someone else dense? Sheesh.

Carlos IMG • 9 years ago

"Thank goodness the crusades were fought."

In a sentence you went from Islamaphobic to simply ignoring the political, religious, and social complexities of such a sad series of events.

You can't be surprised if you lose credibility fast when you applaud the annihilation of perhaps millions and find a sacred book to justify it. It's amusing actually, if it weren't so tragic

Lephteez Arfoneez • 9 years ago

And the Muslims were the innocent victims of invading Christians? Just stood there harmless while the Christians mowed them down?

Wow, that is turbo-stupidity. Millions of innocent dead Muslims, all pacifists. Too funny. Christians bad - Muslims good.
Are you a 9/11 truther?

Carlos IMG • 9 years ago

"And the Muslims were the innocent victims of invading Christians?"

I didn't write that, I would suggest you are letting your anger take the best of your arguments.

Let me paste again what I wrote: "...when you applaud the annihilation of perhaps millions and find a sacred book to justify it."

Annihilation of millions. Period. Both Christian and Muslim. As in every cosmic war, both sides commit atrocities, and the crusades were no exception. In the end they became a foolish attempt by two religious groups whose sacred books somehow make real estate claims over the same strip of land in the Middle East.

The poster was celebrating the crusades, one of the saddest chapters of history , by saying "Thank goodness the crusades were fought", while painting Christians defending liberty and freedom. That is so inaccurate that it's actually funny

Barefoot Soul • 9 years ago

The Crusades were fought to reconquer Christian lands that had been conquered by Muslims, so yeah, they were fought for liberty and freedom, since the majority of people in those lands were Christians and Jews, living as second-class citizens ruled by a Muslim elite. What's not to celebrate? Courage is a good thing, European Christians trying to release Middle Eastern Christians from Muslim domination is a good thing, unless you think it was OK for Muslims to invade an area, kill most of the men, make eunuchs of the remaining men, make slaves and concubines of the women and children, turn churches and synagogues into mosques or burn the churches down. As the article stated, had Christians not fought valiantly, all of Europe would have become Muslim territory. The Muslims had no more business in those territories than Hitler's armies had any business being in Poland or Russia or France. Funny how in the PC version of history, "freedom fighters" are praised - unless they happened to be Christian.

Manuel Gonzalez • 9 years ago

The Crusades were one of the bloodiest episodes in the history of Jerusalem. The Crusaders killed all the way until they captured Jerusalem and here are some of the accounts of that taking of the holy city.

Many Muslims sought shelter in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and the Temple Mount area generally. According to the Gesta Francorum, speaking only of the Temple Mount area, "...[our men] were killing and slaying even to the Temple of Solomon, where the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." According to Raymond of Aguilers, also writing solely of the Temple Mount area, " in the Temple and porch of Solomon men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins." However, this imagery should not be taken literally; it was taken directly from biblical passage Revelation 14:20.[12] Writing about the Temple Mount area alone Fulcher of Chartres, who was not an eyewitness to the Jerusalem siege because he had stayed with Baldwin in Edessa at the time, says: "In this temple 10,000 were killed. Indeed, if you had been there you would have seen our feet coloured to our ankles with the blood of the slain. But what more shall I relate? None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared".[13]

Later the same source writes, "[Our leaders] also ordered all the Saracen dead to be cast outside because of the great stench, since the whole city was filled with their corpses; and so the living Saracens dragged the dead before the exits of the gates and arranged them in heaps, as if they were houses. No one ever saw or heard of such slaughter of pagan people, for funeral pyres were formed from them like pyramids, and no one knows their number except God alone

Jews had fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend the city, and as the Crusaders breached the outer walls, the Jews of the city retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death".[21] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."
For those interested in history you can easily look up the Crusades and see why it is seen as one of the darkest hours for Christianity, and how it left a scar in the minds of Muslims and Jews still today.
The Muslims could be just as ruthless when Christian troops were defeated ,but in the Crusades, the knights were far from being the good guys.

the Colosseum is full • 9 years ago

this is because they were Satan's and not Christians..
the sixth seal should open your mind ....
there you should see that the lamb , Jesus is agin both sides ...
it is the sharp two edged sword that shall come out of his mouth that men shall fear the most ..

Carlos IMG • 9 years ago

"The Crusades were fought to reconquer Christian lands that had been conquered by Muslims, so yeah, they were fought for liberty and freedom"

Again, in one stroke you are erasing the massive evidence of 200 hundred years of a highly complex political, social, and economic situation. Which involved yes Muslim military overreach, but also papal-sanctioned military campaigns to restore Christian access to holy places in and near Jerusalem, hundreds of aristocrats and noblemen vying for personal fame, wealth, and glory, petty intra-faith (as usual) fighting that actually resulted in some Christians siding with Muslims in the last couple of crusades, only to provoke the defeat of rival Christian nobles from other countries. And many many more.

All in all, a pretty sad chapter of history. To ignore all these elements and call them a demonstration of Christian righteousness is either extremely naive or disingenuous. To celebrate them is extremely irrational.

Guest • 9 years ago

Excellent point! As a Christian, it pains me to admit the Muslims often behaved themselves nobler than the Christians. Saladin was no saint, but he was Gandhi compared to Richard the Lionhearted and the brutal French Generals.

tatoo • 9 years ago

And the Christians lost in the end, so God wasn't on their side.

tatoo • 9 years ago

The christians lost, so god must have been on the side of the muslims.

Parquet • 9 years ago

The Indians lost, so God must have been on the side of the Christians.

TranSiren • 9 years ago

Gosh, you're smart!

Being a lesbian must raise the intelligence.

tatoo • 9 years ago

Most of the people were Muslims. And the Byzantines lost the land the same way the American Indians did, especiallly the South American indians.

TranSiren • 9 years ago

Wasn't that awful, evil Christians conquering the Muslims in South America?

Blake Henderson • 9 years ago

Face palm

Parquet • 9 years ago

Don't smear your make-up.

Joe Marauder • 9 years ago

Anyone know the name "Neville Chamberlain"? He was the UK prime minister, and in 1938 he made an agreement with Adolf Hitler, whom Chamberlain called "a man of peace." Hitler was more of a realist, he referred privately to Chamberlain as "that senile old fool." Back in the UK, Chamberlain was lauded by the public as the "Prince of Peace."

In case you didn't hear, history proved that Chamberlain was a naive fool. Hitler broke every promise he made to Chamberlain.

Appeasers have good intentions, but good intentions aren't enough in this world, you have to be, as Jesus phrased it, "wise as serpents," because we live in a world where evil people are only too happy to cozy up to appeasers. Appeasement has never worked with Muslims, they hate non-Muslims regardless of whether they fear us or conquer us, so better that they fear us.

Beau • 9 years ago

Yes, everyone remembers Neville Chamberlain. But Churchill didn't turn around and stereotype all non-Anglicans as devils.

Muslims love me. Most of them, anyway.

Kyle • 9 years ago

They love useful idiots, so did the Nazis and Communists.

Beau • 9 years ago

You love to move the argument to somewhere it's not, don't you?