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The first law of thermodynamics states that \"energy is not created or destroyed but transformed.\"  This system is NOT creating energy.  Electrolysis is a notoriously energy consuming process.  In other words, you put in a lot of energy to get a very low yield of \"broken\" water (i.e. H2 and O2 gas - what they refer to as \"oxy-hydrogen gas\").  The novel approach to the Xogen invention is that they are putting a small amount of energy into the system and liberating a larger quantity of energy (the oxidation of the \"oxy-hydrogen gas\").  This system is not creating energy but rather liberating energy already stored in the water.<br><br>This has nothing to do with the so-called \"free-energy\" hypothesis.  \"Free-energy\" is the misguided concept that energy can be released from such forces as quantum perturbation etc. in order to achieve perpetual motion.  <br><br>What is facinating about this invention is their claim that they have overcome the fact that electrolysis is an intensively energy consuming process.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_11:29:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "cea5e9dfbe686f53cac54451fb316d34", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759621": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "All that money for the clip and she still says 'adaped' instead of adapted at the 5 minute mark... tsk tsk.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-12_11:41:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "2866d419ee7b10cad4982021f6b6051f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759622": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You're missing the point of there claim.  While the process itself is nothing miraculous, electrolysis (which has been around for several hundred years), what is exciting is that the amount of energy input into the system is much less than the energy released when the \"oxy-hydrogen\" (i.e. oxygen and hydrogen) gas is combusted.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-12_17:50:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "cea5e9dfbe686f53cac54451fb316d34", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759624": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"what is exciting is that the amount of energy input into the system is much less than the energy released when the ?oxy-hydrogen? (i.e. oxygen and hydrogen) gas is combusted.\"<br><br>yeah... that's why we'd like to run cars on the stuff :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_03:04:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "9777a091b51cac271a1cf0c28c74963a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759625": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "um, guys, Chase and Tommy especially, I hate to break it to you, but you're the ones that are missing the point.  It's physically impossible to get more out of a system, than what you put in.  That sort of claim is called Free Energy, and it goes against the most fundamental laws of the universe.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_03:07:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "a7519d136b0bdc1f33a51947a98a2176", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759626": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "They're turning high quality electrical energy into low grade heat whilst creating a dangerously explosive stochiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen - ohmic heating is way better at for this.<br><br>The last bit about treating sewage by electrolysis is utterly ridiculous - thermodynamically and practically speaking - expensive distillation would be a better idea!<br><br>This has scam written all over it, I guess it's been produced to technobamboozle potential investors under the pretenses of being the next revolution in clean energy.<br><br>Mind you, they carefully avoided lying (except about being \"novel\", and that the \"unique electronic signal causes the h2o to disassociate\"), there were no claims about net energy gains. The Laws of thermodynamics can breathe easy again!! ;-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_06:49:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "9668c7649162334815cd9e32f82b6603", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759627": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Dave,<br><br>Mind you I never said that more energy is \"created in the system\" than what is put in.  This is the essence of Xogen's claim.  However, they refuse to say how this is so.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_07:11:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "cea5e9dfbe686f53cac54451fb316d34", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759628": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am tired of people whining of free energy. explain how you get a car to move then ?? are you not getting more out than you put in ? yes you are cause the EARTH put in all the rest of the energy a long time ago your just now EXTRACTING IT from the gasoline.<br><br>I am not sure if these people are crocks but I AM fascinated by HOW MUCH gas they released IMMEDIATELY from the water when the switched it on !! the question is did that reaction come from JUST the batteries or is there a high power energy source hidden somewhere. If they are getting THAT much gas from just 2 car batteries then DEFINATELY you can make enough to run a car !!! I would gladly shove 12 $40 car batteries in my trunk to hook up to 3 of these gadgets. I only need enough gas to power the car and enough electricity to go for 1.5 hours. thats enough for my weekly driving anywhere I want to go charge it up each night.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-13_22:01:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "e1711432fb4930529487b650f8d5339a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759629": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The transformation is do to Pulse width modulation PWM (see Joe cell). It not just hooking up a battery, it is also modulating the voltage and finding the resident frequency of water. If you think about it, LED lights can put out as much light as a standard light with less power just more efficient use of power (less heat loss). Oil refinery use energy to make gasoline, this is a transformation.  The question is, is it more efficient transformation and better use of power?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-11-28_21:10:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "b3e600c7f2ffe0654edbe7e78cc4cef2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759630": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "chasing cars clothes <a href=\"http://myblog.es/bulex\" rel=\"nofollow\">cars chasing snow</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-23_05:43:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "ead8f77b4729894277a25e9ada08c5fe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759631": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Water has etheral energy saved in it's own existance!  Energy \"in\" and energy \"out\"  ratios is idiotic. That is like saying gasoline spark engines wont work. Gasoline by itself is useless!  I only put a few milliamps thru a high voltage coil zap it across a gap with gasoline, in a contained area and voila  \"WAY MORE POWER OUT THEN POWER IN\" idiots. Water has universal power, the building blocks of all life.......start thinking outside of your narrow views folks and maybe we'd have a better chance moving forward and fixing planet earth.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-05-11_11:50:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "0aa5b9d82b79728e307ee4dd0bc05759", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759632": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Mathew Berga:<br>You are misunderstanding the molecular nature of water, hydrogen and oxygen.  Water does not \"contain\" energy like gasoline.  Instead, it is the PRODUCT of combustion of hydrogen and oxygen.  When hydrogen burns in the presence of oxygen, it releases energy, and water is the product.   In the same way, when gasoline is burned in the presence of oxygen, carbon dioxide is produced.  When wood is burned, carbon dioxide and ash is produced.  The water that is produced when hydrogen is burned is like \"ash\".  It is the product of burning.  It is a a lower energy potential than the hydrogen.   To break water down into hydrogen and oxygen again, you must PUT IN energy.    Gasoline contains MORE ENERGY than its products. That is why we can use it to run cars.   Water contains LESS energy than hydrogen.  Using water to run a car makes as much sense as using ash to heat your home.    I hope this helps you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-11_13:54:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759633": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh, and by the way:<br>Xogen has been gone for a number of years now.  It disappeared when it's fundraising arm (Tathacus) went down the tubes after it could not raise any more money from gullible investors.  Interestingly, the \"process\" was always just a few months away from completion, and then completely vanished after the money dried up.........", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-11_13:57:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759634": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "google \"stanley myers and water power\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-25_21:22:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "8824ed0c694ff091551d28ac5c651d8d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759635": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Uh Rich, Perhaps YOU are the one with green card, because if you could understand English you would have been able to read the meaningful text Tom wrote. He was only encouraging those that are experimenting to keep it up. It's a good thing. Many believed that the helicopter would never work because it goes against the laws of physics. The narrow minded idiots never realized it actually followed a different set of physical laws than they were hung up on. You seem to be one of these narrow minded people with no vision or ability to think outside the box. You should consider another forum for your comments, try the 'I need to learn how to spell \"WRIITEN\" because I'm a Zoloft consuming PILL of a human being' Website.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-06_21:12:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "82902d11ad53008656932b2b83fa092e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759636": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tom, There is no vast conspiricy to make this crap fail, it was an invention that  created a way to seperate fools from money. it did that far better then seprating oxygen from hydrogen.<br><br>I got a bufoon like you shilling this crap to me daily via Yahoo Messanger, another couple of days and I will add him to my ignore list.<br><br>What is it with you lib-treehugging idiots? Look at the spew you have wriiten Tommy, you have the most text and said the least. Please tell me your not a U.S. Citizen. If you tell me you are we will deny it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-24_00:59:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "50e8e8da10dfdfe6169289a99891cfc6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759637": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It most certainly does work. I have built a similar device myself and have seen the combustion happening. The technology is not designed as a replacement for petroleum fuel but as an enhancement to existing combustion engines.<br><br>The Oxyhydrogen (read wikipedia) is a very fast and clean burning fuel. In large enough quantities it could power a car on it's own but you run into corrosion and seizing issues after some time. In smaller quantities it can be used to offset the amount of petroleum fuel being used. By leaning out the fuel mixture (more air vs liquid fuel) and injecting the oxyhydrogen into the air intake of the engine you can use less liquid fuel and get the same amount of power to drive the vehicle.<br><br>Oxyhydrogen burns at a rate of 2000 feet per second (much faster than gasoline). When mixed with gasoline it acts as a catalyst causing more of the liquid fuel to be consumed rather than expelled as exhaust or clinging to the inside of the cylinders. Since the byproduct of combustion is pure water you are also cleaning and cooling the engine at the same time.<br><br>For those of you who still believe this is a scam you should read up on the catalytic converter. That is one scam of a device if I ever saw one. They tell you it lowers emissions but what they don't tell you is that to do so they simply burn up the excess fuel from the engine strokes and waste it as heat. And these devices are mandatory on ALL vehicles (at least in North America, I don't know about elsewhere).<br><br>I'll leave you all with a link to a commercial product that uses the same technology. It's a hydrogen powered hobby rocket. I personally own one of these units so can vouch for the authenticity of it.<br><br><a href=\"http://www.estesrockets.com/products.php?number=1876\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.estesrockets.com/products.php?number...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-28_18:41:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "a4956ac1000b6dc65e99418facfd4cfc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759638": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As a layman I won\u2019t try to impress you with my knowledge of physics and whether or not a particular electrolysis application works efficiently.  However, I would like to impress on everyone to keep trying and working on this process until we have perfected it.  As you will recall, there was a time in our history when no one had been able to split the atom.  When that goal was eventually achieved the world was immediately changed forever.<br><br>Unfortunately, our nation\u2019s societies have become slaves to the great oil brokers of the world.  With their tremendous wealth and power they are able to dictate to our everyday lives.  Even now we have nations at war (including ours) where oil is at the center.  Instead of splitting atoms to make war, it is time to harness the energy sources available to us through applied science and free our nations from the control of the petroleum power lords.  <br><br>While in attendance at a conference in Washington D.C. at the Brookings Institute I learned a very shocking fact.  The Middle East is in possession and control of over 80% of the world\u2019s oil reserves and that should scare all of us.  The U.S., on the other hand, is in possession and control of over 90% of the world\u2019s coal reserves which we use to make electricity to power our nation\u2019s electrical grid.   As you can see we as a nation face a serious dilemma.  Regardless of the efficiency factor of the hydrogen fuel cells, we still need to pursue this technology at all costs.  We have the electricity available to produce this form of fuel.  We have to buy the oil at whatever cost is demanded.<br><br>When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he placed an entire mechanized division within 100 miles of the largest producing oil wells in the region supplying the U.S.  If he had been successful at gaining control of all of them, our nation would have came to a crawl within a matter of months and the rest is history.<br><br>If you are an engineer or a company working on developing this process, you need to be ever conscious of your security concerns.  Our world corporations and even our politicians are heavily invested in the oil companies and they don\u2019t want this technology to succeed.  The overseas power brokers are at risk of losing their empires if this technology is successfully developed, so they will stop at nothing to defeat this technology.  Obviously, you have much at risk, but if you are successful you will have split a new proverbial atom and will once again change the world forever.  <br><br>Don\u2019t let misinformation and propaganda sneak into your group and destroy all of the positive sharing of information and the positive accomplishments of your collaborative efforts. <br><br>Remember the saying,  There are three types of people in this world: (1) Those who watch things happen.  (2) Those who make things happen.  (3) And those who wonder what happened.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-17_14:17:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "191372fece1767fecc2f89e9609de09b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759639": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Some of you guys just dont get it. this is not conventional electrolysis, which is very inefficient, creates heat, and uses lots of amps. Xogen was formed from Stan Meyers invention. The Meyer\u2019s fuel cell uses water as a dielectric material to create a capacitor. The voltage is multiplied by a transformer circuit, which lowers the amperage, which is then used to charge the cap. The charging is done in pulsed stages so as not to short itself out prematurely. Putting inductors and capacitors together creates a band pass filter. In other words, only a limited range of frequencies passes through the circuit (the resonant frequency of water). Therefore, 12 volts go in, which is multiplied to up to 40,000 volts which reduces the amps to as little as one half. All this voltage enters the negative side of the capacitor, which is one plate and charges that plate to 40,000 volts. A capacitor is two metal plates separated by a dielectric material (low conductivity, high resistance). In this design, the dielectric material is water, which is not a good conductor as illustrated by the fact that you need a catalyst in conventional electrolysis. The design is intended to fail or short itself out (All the voltage stored in the capacitor is converted to amps) when it reaches critical voltage, which ultimately destroys the hydrogen bonds. It draws less power to charge the cap and the cap is used to convert all that voltage back to amps. So you see its not electrolysis. So, you pulse charge a capacitor, in this case two metal plates separated by water. The cap reaches critical voltage and shorts its self out destroying the hydrogen bonds in the process. The process begins all over again. This occurs many times a second as illustrated by the video.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-03-13_17:25:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "9b55cdbc4ca42ffeb486b0f49e6c2e16", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759640": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What if when burning the HHO, one produces a neutron stream in the flame? Think about the expansion of monatomic hydrogen.. the proton and electron move away from eachother.. What's the first thing that proton's gonna bump? an electron.. what does that make it? a Neutron.. this is not about 'free' energy, its about mass to energy.. a very small part of the HHO dissapears into neutrons.. Which is why the High volatge, pulsed DC \"electrolysis\" produces more energy, it's because it doesn't just make 2H2 and O2, it makes 2H1 and O1.. which burns differently.. Somoe of it burns, some of it fuses.. Not cold fusion, micro fusion. The law of conservation stands.. but this is using some of the mass (one single hydrogen atom per neutron created) of water and converting it to energy. That's how it melts tungsten. most of the hydrogen burns, most of the hydrogen is H2, but some of it, while the rest is burning, fuses into neutrons. Ta da. :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-07_04:40:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "982ddd377b60435a5a012eec9c799c63", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759641": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "the guy that wrote this article is obviously scared about what he doesn't know. Fact is a oil company invested 2 million in Xogen and they continue to progress despite ignorance from people like you calling there work a scam. Fact is several people have done what Xogen does for example Yull Brown, Stanley Meyer  and Daniel Dingle -John Kansus. So jack ass educate yourself before you make yourself look even dumber.  by the way i've made my own hydrogen on demand system that fuels my chevy tbi v8 conversion van.  so  bite me  David Ponce  this simple technology works.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-04_06:39:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "90449de2bcda89f427cfb2ed609ec0d5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759642": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The press did not pay attention to the Wright Brothers for over 1 year before they<br>saw them fly over their heads and then believe man could fly. Before then when the locomotive train  was still in concept, they thought if you went faster than 25 mph, you would suffocate due to oxygen starvation. The technology of the Atom as stated before. Tachyons on paper bends Einstein\u2019s fixed speed of light.  The one fact that remains is economics and status quo base don Oil. What would happen to many world economies if you came  with a proven working technology  that would pretty much replace Oil as the primary energy source? The movie Syriana scratches the surface of the tree huggers  angle of the oil powers desire to remain on top.   I don\u2019t hate tree huggers, I don\u2019t hate skeptics who hang on concrete facts and dispel unproven theories. I know one thing for a fact, anyone (anyone) who comes close to getting this working to a point where it commercially viable will have visitors knocking at their doors. Not because you have proven that Faradays, Newton\u2019s or Einstein\u2019s theories can bend, but you are  a threat to an economic way of life. This is not a conspiracy nut speaking, its just business.  Our saving grace is the internet, our Pandora\u2019s box.. For those who are working on this (me for one)  don\u2019t think you will get a patent and retire on a beach while your invention technology is released to betterment of man.  I am not a tree hugger I hate Al Gore, biggest hypocrite  to taunt the \u201cgreen\u201d label. This needs to be distributed freely for any change to occur. I for one and my geek friends have decided to see if this is a doable concept and if applicable to use in a car where it would do the most good in this country and elsewhere put it out for all to use and maybe improve upon.  Running a car is laot harder than producing enough to drive it, you have to think about regulating it and take into considerations all the electronics regulating on gas not hydrogen. (IE. Map Sensors and Oxygen Sensors, ect ect).  So even if you can produce enough  you have to adapt the car.  Now for some facts.   :<br><br>Some hydrogen/gasoline facts:<br><br>The available chemical energy when Hydrogen burns is 143 megaJoules per kilogram<br>This is 39.7kWHr/kg<br>Standard gasoline has 13kWHr/kg which is 35.944 kWHr/gal<br>If I have a car that burns 1 gal per hour (which is typical for SUVs on the highway or smaller cars in city traffic),   (most cars getting  20 mpg @ 60 mph equal 3 gallon ok.. so this is one gallon for math\u2019s sake)<br>Then the equivalent hydrogen is 0.905 kg which at 2 grams per mole yields 453 moles.<br>And each mole at STP (standard temperature and pressure) takes up 22.7 liters,<br>Thus our gallon of gas equivalent hydrogen has a volume (@STP) of 10300 liters.<br>This equates to approximately 363 cubic feet. If this is stored at high pressure in standard sized scuba tanks you would need about 4.5 tanks to hold a gallon equivalent of gasoline. Think about what you need for 10 gallons, 25gallons?  And I have assumed no loss of energy.<br>Theoretically the best electrolytic cells can have 94% efficiency. But real world cells only achieve 70%.<br>Now our gallon of gasoline equivalent of hydrogen contains 35.944 kWHr \u2013 that\u2019s 35944 watts times hours. If we plan to extract hydrogen using electricity, and if we wish to extract the gallon equivalent in just one hour, we then need 35944 watts of power for the whole hour. Recall a watt is a volt times an amp.  The minimum voltage electrolysis needs is 1.23 volts. Thus 36000 watts equates to about 30000 amps. Do you see a problem with practicality?  So this is  why Meyers<br>Concept must work in order to circumvent this. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Now do you see why my diatribe could be a real  long read?  I think  this is possible , but not based on current facts and laws of physics, thus the need for abstract thinking.  So Meyers Cell does work, but can it make that much to power a car and what changes will have to be made to the car for long term safe use.  So Skeptics have grounds and the <br>Theorist have a lot of work to do.  Let the games begin.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-16_09:06:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "cb17e67b370189f0ad83d6fdeb1a1c1f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1759643": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "PMW? 40kV? That are a bunch of craps. You can release hydrogen+oxygen even with an ordinary electrolysis process. I bet you can't easily attain 40kV before breakdown which happens at much lower voltage.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-06_18:55:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "014387f9d4f3aa763abf1901c5bb8171", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "22736037": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You guys are missing it! The main difference between Xogen and a Faraday style of electrolysis is how the power is utilized. Xogen is using something similar to a high voltage step system to polarize and separate electrons as opposed to a sustained high amperage current.  Xogen is using Stan Meyer's patents for the invention he called a \"water fuel cell\".<br>The idea people should demand is there has got to be a better way to split water. Look at a fish it separates oxygen from water just by flapping its gills!  Water passes though a thin membrane in the gill and with a flapping motion it separates oxygen from water at greater than 80% efficiency!   <br>When focused we can do the unthinkable like man traveling to the moon. We pool all the best scientists just to build incredibly advanced weapons of mass destruction and not machines of over unity. You are a moron if you think we could not have figured out free energy and clean water by now!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-11-11_11:06:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "jay_1_2_3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "3 weeks ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "7423861": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Permanent Magnet Technology is a Free Energy Science, one that has purposely ignored by engineering schools for a whole century. Wonder why? Because it is free!<br><br>I am employing free hydrogen fuel assist to my Church van, a 95 Dodge Caravan.  My highway mileage has jumped from 19 to 29 mpg.   Free mileage!<br><br>Dponce80  take a \"feel from the Sun\"; more free energy.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-03-22_21:02:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "3e51f0f2edca78897f58738beebb7e93", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "8 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 1759625, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "http://www.ohgizmo.com/blank.html", "theme": 1, "reply_position": false, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "3563184", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "31049", "hash": 3202396788217100580}, "thread": {"days_alive": 0, "slug": "ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87", "paginate": false, "num_pages": 1, "num_posts": 25, "per_page": 0, "total_posts": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 3563184, "queued": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "a37223b5b6ba60a2a4df42ef6983115c", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": true, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '21bc467119200cb06806902fa8e2f5b0';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			return parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">25</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:3563184" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		
			html = Dsq.Templates.authPost() + html;
		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:3563184" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p> \n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on OhGizmo!" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:3563184" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/openid-login-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false">OpenID</a> \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'ohgizmo',
			't'				: 'ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'ohgizmo_raquo_archive_raquo_xogen_technologies8217_scam_electrolysis_by_any_other_name_87'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/ohgizmo/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/3563184/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759621" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759621">Jombi</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759621" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759621" class="dsq-comment-message">All that money for the clip and she still says \'adaped\' instead of adapted at the 5 minute mark... tsk tsk.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759622" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759622" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759622">Chase</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759622" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759622" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re missing the point of there claim.  While the process itself is nothing miraculous, electrolysis (which has been around for several hundred years), what is exciting is that the amount of energy input into the system is much less than the energy released when the "oxy-hydrogen" (i.e. oxygen and hydrogen) gas is combusted.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759624">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759624" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759624" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759624">Tommy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759624" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759624" class="dsq-comment-message">"what is exciting is that the amount of energy input into the system is much less than the energy released when the ?oxy-hydrogen? (i.e. oxygen and hydrogen) gas is combusted."<br><br>yeah... that\'s why we\'d like to run cars on the stuff :-)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759625">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759625" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759625" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759625">dponce80</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759625" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759625" class="dsq-comment-message">um, guys, Chase and Tommy especially, I hate to break it to you, but you\'re the ones that are missing the point.  It\'s physically impossible to get more out of a system, than what you put in.  That sort of claim is called Free Energy, and it goes against the most fundamental laws of the universe.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-7423861">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-7423861" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-7423861" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-7423861" href="http://hydroginny.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">HL</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-7423861" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-7423861" class="dsq-comment-message">Permanent Magnet Technology is a Free Energy Science, one that has purposely ignored by engineering schools for a whole century. Wonder why? Because it is free!<br><br>I am employing free hydrogen fuel assist to my Church van, a 95 Dodge Caravan.  My highway mileage has jumped from 19 to 29 mpg.   Free mileage!<br><br>Dponce80  take a "feel from the Sun"; more free energy.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759626" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759626" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759626">Dan</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759626" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759626" class="dsq-comment-message">They\'re turning high quality electrical energy into low grade heat whilst creating a dangerously explosive stochiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen - ohmic heating is way better at for this.<br><br>The last bit about treating sewage by electrolysis is utterly ridiculous - thermodynamically and practically speaking - expensive distillation would be a better idea!<br><br>This has scam written all over it, I guess it\'s been produced to technobamboozle potential investors under the pretenses of being the next revolution in clean energy.<br><br>Mind you, they carefully avoided lying (except about being "novel", and that the "unique electronic signal causes the h2o to disassociate"), there were no claims about net energy gains. The Laws of thermodynamics can breathe easy again!! ;-)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759627">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759627" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759627" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759627">Chase</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759627" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759627" class="dsq-comment-message">Dave,<br><br>Mind you I never said that more energy is "created in the system" than what is put in.  This is the essence of Xogen\'s claim.  However, they refuse to say how this is so.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759620" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759620" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759620">Chase</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759620" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759620" class="dsq-comment-message">You misunderstand me.  The first law of thermodynamics states that "energy is not created or destroyed but transformed."  This system is NOT creating energy.  Electrolysis is a notoriously energy consuming process.  In other words, you put in a lot of energy to get a very low yield of "broken" water (i.e. H2 and O2 gas - what they refer to as "oxy-hydrogen gas").  The novel approach to the Xogen invention is that they are putting a small amount of energy into the system and liberating a larger quantity of energy (the oxidation of the "oxy-hydrogen gas").  This system is not creating energy but rather liberating energy already stored in the water.<br><br>This has nothing to do with the so-called "free-energy" hypothesis.  "Free-energy" is the misguided concept that energy can be released from such forces as quantum perturbation etc. in order to achieve perpetual motion.  <br><br>What is facinating about this invention is their claim that they have overcome the fact that electrolysis is an intensively energy consuming process.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759628" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759628" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-1759628" href="http://www.nerys.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chris Taylor</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759628" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759628" class="dsq-comment-message">I am tired of people whining of free energy. explain how you get a car to move then ?? are you not getting more out than you put in ? yes you are cause the EARTH put in all the rest of the energy a long time ago your just now EXTRACTING IT from the gasoline.<br><br>I am not sure if these people are crocks but I AM fascinated by HOW MUCH gas they released IMMEDIATELY from the water when the switched it on !! the question is did that reaction come from JUST the batteries or is there a high power energy source hidden somewhere. If they are getting THAT much gas from just 2 car batteries then DEFINATELY you can make enough to run a car !!! I would gladly shove 12 $40 car batteries in my trunk to hook up to 3 of these gadgets. I only need enough gas to power the car and enough electricity to go for 1.5 hours. thats enough for my weekly driving anywhere I want to go charge it up each night.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759629" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759629">Dave Sanford</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759629" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759629" class="dsq-comment-message">The transformation is do to Pulse width modulation PWM (see Joe cell). It not just hooking up a battery, it is also modulating the voltage and finding the resident frequency of water. If you think about it, LED lights can put out as much light as a standard light with less power just more efficient use of power (less heat loss). Oil refinery use energy to make gasoline, this is a transformation.  The question is, is it more efficient transformation and better use of power?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-1759630" href="http://myblog.es/bulex" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">chasing cars i</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759630" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759630" class="dsq-comment-message">chasing cars clothes <a href="http://myblog.es/bulex" rel="nofollow">cars chasing snow</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759631" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759631">mathew berga</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759631" class="dsq-comment-message">Water has etheral energy saved in it\'s own existance!  Energy "in" and energy "out"  ratios is idiotic. That is like saying gasoline spark engines wont work. Gasoline by itself is useless!  I only put a few milliamps thru a high voltage coil zap it across a gap with gasoline, in a contained area and voila  "WAY MORE POWER OUT THEN POWER IN" idiots. Water has universal power, the building blocks of all life.......start thinking outside of your narrow views folks and maybe we\'d have a better chance moving forward and fixing planet earth.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759632">Anonymous</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759632" class="dsq-comment-message">Mathew Berga:<br>You are misunderstanding the molecular nature of water, hydrogen and oxygen.  Water does not "contain" energy like gasoline.  Instead, it is the PRODUCT of combustion of hydrogen and oxygen.  When hydrogen burns in the presence of oxygen, it releases energy, and water is the product.   In the same way, when gasoline is burned in the presence of oxygen, carbon dioxide is produced.  When wood is burned, carbon dioxide and ash is produced.  The water that is produced when hydrogen is burned is like "ash".  It is the product of burning.  It is a a lower energy potential than the hydrogen.   To break water down into hydrogen and oxygen again, you must PUT IN energy.    Gasoline contains MORE ENERGY than its products. That is why we can use it to run cars.   Water contains LESS energy than hydrogen.  Using water to run a car makes as much sense as using ash to heat your home.    I hope this helps you.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759633">Anonymous</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759633" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, and by the way:<br>Xogen has been gone for a number of years now.  It disappeared when it\'s fundraising arm (Tathacus) went down the tubes after it could not raise any more money from gullible investors.  Interestingly, the "process" was always just a few months away from completion, and then completely vanished after the money dried up.........</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759638">Tom</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759638" class="dsq-comment-message">As a layman I won’t try to impress you with my knowledge of physics and whether or not a particular electrolysis application works efficiently.  However, I would like to impress on everyone to keep trying and working on this process until we have perfected it.  As you will recall, there was a time in our history when no one had been able to split the atom.  When that goal was eventually achieved the world was immediately changed forever.<br><br>Unfortunately, our nation’s societies have become slaves to the great oil brokers of the world.  With their tremendous wealth and power they are able to dictate to our everyday lives.  Even now we have nations at war (including ours) where oil is at the center.  Instead of splitting atoms to make war, it is time to harness the energy sources available to us through applied science and free our nations from the control of the petroleum power lords.  <br><br>While in attendance at a conference in Washington D.C. at the Brookings Institute I learned a very shocking fact.  The Middle East is in possession and control of over 80% of the world’s oil reserves and that should scare all of us.  The U.S., on the other hand, is in possession and control of over 90% of the world’s coal reserves which we use to make electricity to power our nation’s electrical grid.   As you can see we as a nation face a serious dilemma.  Regardless of the efficiency factor of the hydrogen fuel cells, we still need to pursue this technology at all costs.  We have the electricity available to produce this form of fuel.  We have to buy the oil at whatever cost is demanded.<br><br>When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he placed an entire mechanized division within 100 miles of the largest producing oil wells in the region supplying the U.S.  If he had been successful at gaining control of all of them, our nation would have came to a crawl within a matter of months and the rest is history.<br><br>If you are an engineer or a company working on developing this process, you need to be ever conscious of your security concerns.  Our world corporations and even our politicians are heavily invested in the oil companies and they don’t want this technology to succeed.  The overseas power brokers are at risk of losing their empires if this technology is successfully developed, so they will stop at nothing to defeat this technology.  Obviously, you have much at risk, but if you are successful you will have split a new proverbial atom and will once again change the world forever.  <br><br>Don’t let misinformation and propaganda sneak into your group and destroy all of the positive sharing of information and the positive accomplishments of your collaborative efforts. <br><br>Remember the saying,  There are three types of people in this world: (1) Those who watch things happen.  (2) Those who make things happen.  (3) And those who wonder what happened.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759636" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759636">Richard</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759636" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759636" class="dsq-comment-message">Tom, There is no vast conspiricy to make this crap fail, it was an invention that  created a way to seperate fools from money. it did that far better then seprating oxygen from hydrogen.<br><br>I got a bufoon like you shilling this crap to me daily via Yahoo Messanger, another couple of days and I will add him to my ignore list.<br><br>What is it with you lib-treehugging idiots? Look at the spew you have wriiten Tommy, you have the most text and said the least. Please tell me your not a U.S. Citizen. If you tell me you are we will deny it.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759635" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759635">Wolf</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759635" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759635" class="dsq-comment-message">Uh Rich, Perhaps YOU are the one with green card, because if you could understand English you would have been able to read the meaningful text Tom wrote. He was only encouraging those that are experimenting to keep it up. It\'s a good thing. Many believed that the helicopter would never work because it goes against the laws of physics. The narrow minded idiots never realized it actually followed a different set of physical laws than they were hung up on. You seem to be one of these narrow minded people with no vision or ability to think outside the box. You should consider another forum for your comments, try the \'I need to learn how to spell "WRIITEN" because I\'m a Zoloft consuming PILL of a human being\' Website.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759634">Omar</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759634" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759634" class="dsq-comment-message">google "stanley myers and water power"</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759637">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759637" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759637" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759637">Besworks</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759637" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759637" class="dsq-comment-message">It most certainly does work. I have built a similar device myself and have seen the combustion happening. The technology is not designed as a replacement for petroleum fuel but as an enhancement to existing combustion engines.<br><br>The Oxyhydrogen (read wikipedia) is a very fast and clean burning fuel. In large enough quantities it could power a car on it\'s own but you run into corrosion and seizing issues after some time. In smaller quantities it can be used to offset the amount of petroleum fuel being used. By leaning out the fuel mixture (more air vs liquid fuel) and injecting the oxyhydrogen into the air intake of the engine you can use less liquid fuel and get the same amount of power to drive the vehicle.<br><br>Oxyhydrogen burns at a rate of 2000 feet per second (much faster than gasoline). When mixed with gasoline it acts as a catalyst causing more of the liquid fuel to be consumed rather than expelled as exhaust or clinging to the inside of the cylinders. Since the byproduct of combustion is pure water you are also cleaning and cooling the engine at the same time.<br><br>For those of you who still believe this is a scam you should read up on the catalytic converter. That is one scam of a device if I ever saw one. They tell you it lowers emissions but what they don\'t tell you is that to do so they simply burn up the excess fuel from the engine strokes and waste it as heat. And these devices are mandatory on ALL vehicles (at least in North America, I don\'t know about elsewhere).<br><br>I\'ll leave you all with a link to a commercial product that uses the same technology. It\'s a hydrogen powered hobby rocket. I personally own one of these units so can vouch for the authenticity of it.<br><br><a href="http://www.estesrockets.com/products.php?number=1876" rel="nofollow">http://www.estesrockets.com/products.php?number...</a></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759639">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759639" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759639" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759639">george</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759639" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759639" class="dsq-comment-message">Some of you guys just dont get it. this is not conventional electrolysis, which is very inefficient, creates heat, and uses lots of amps. Xogen was formed from Stan Meyers invention. The Meyer’s fuel cell uses water as a dielectric material to create a capacitor. The voltage is multiplied by a transformer circuit, which lowers the amperage, which is then used to charge the cap. The charging is done in pulsed stages so as not to short itself out prematurely. Putting inductors and capacitors together creates a band pass filter. In other words, only a limited range of frequencies passes through the circuit (the resonant frequency of water). Therefore, 12 volts go in, which is multiplied to up to 40,000 volts which reduces the amps to as little as one half. All this voltage enters the negative side of the capacitor, which is one plate and charges that plate to 40,000 volts. A capacitor is two metal plates separated by a dielectric material (low conductivity, high resistance). In this design, the dielectric material is water, which is not a good conductor as illustrated by the fact that you need a catalyst in conventional electrolysis. The design is intended to fail or short itself out (All the voltage stored in the capacitor is converted to amps) when it reaches critical voltage, which ultimately destroys the hydrogen bonds. It draws less power to charge the cap and the cap is used to convert all that voltage back to amps. So you see its not electrolysis. So, you pulse charge a capacitor, in this case two metal plates separated by water. The cap reaches critical voltage and shorts its self out destroying the hydrogen bonds in the process. The process begins all over again. This occurs many times a second as illustrated by the video.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759641">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759641" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759641" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-1759641" href="http://mrgreenenergy.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">dan</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759641" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759641" class="dsq-comment-message">the guy that wrote this article is obviously scared about what he doesn\'t know. Fact is a oil company invested 2 million in Xogen and they continue to progress despite ignorance from people like you calling there work a scam. Fact is several people have done what Xogen does for example Yull Brown, Stanley Meyer  and Daniel Dingle -John Kansus. So jack ass educate yourself before you make yourself look even dumber.  by the way i\'ve made my own hydrogen on demand system that fuels my chevy tbi v8 conversion van.  so  bite me  David Ponce  this simple technology works.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759640">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759640" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759640" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759640">Myles</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759640" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759640" class="dsq-comment-message">What if when burning the HHO, one produces a neutron stream in the flame? Think about the expansion of monatomic hydrogen.. the proton and electron move away from eachother.. What\'s the first thing that proton\'s gonna bump? an electron.. what does that make it? a Neutron.. this is not about \'free\' energy, its about mass to energy.. a very small part of the HHO dissapears into neutrons.. Which is why the High volatge, pulsed DC "electrolysis" produces more energy, it\'s because it doesn\'t just make 2H2 and O2, it makes 2H1 and O1.. which burns differently.. Somoe of it burns, some of it fuses.. Not cold fusion, micro fusion. The law of conservation stands.. but this is using some of the mass (one single hydrogen atom per neutron created) of water and converting it to energy. That\'s how it melts tungsten. most of the hydrogen burns, most of the hydrogen is H2, but some of it, while the rest is burning, fuses into neutrons. Ta da. :)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759643">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759643" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759643" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759643">kaosad</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759643" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759643" class="dsq-comment-message">PMW? 40kV? That are a bunch of craps. You can release hydrogen+oxygen even with an ordinary electrolysis process. I bet you can\'t easily attain 40kV before breakdown which happens at much lower voltage.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1759642">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1759642" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1759642" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1759642">MR NOCHE</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1759642" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1759642" class="dsq-comment-message">The press did not pay attention to the Wright Brothers for over 1 year before they<br>saw them fly over their heads and then believe man could fly. Before then when the locomotive train  was still in concept, they thought if you went faster than 25 mph, you would suffocate due to oxygen starvation. The technology of the Atom as stated before. Tachyons on paper bends Einstein’s fixed speed of light.  The one fact that remains is economics and status quo base don Oil. What would happen to many world economies if you came  with a proven working technology  that would pretty much replace Oil as the primary energy source? The movie Syriana scratches the surface of the tree huggers  angle of the oil powers desire to remain on top.   I don’t hate tree huggers, I don’t hate skeptics who hang on concrete facts and dispel unproven theories. I know one thing for a fact, anyone (anyone) who comes close to getting this working to a point where it commercially viable will have visitors knocking at their doors. Not because you have proven that Faradays, Newton’s or Einstein’s theories can bend, but you are  a threat to an economic way of life. This is not a conspiracy nut speaking, its just business.  Our saving grace is the internet, our Pandora’s box.. For those who are working on this (me for one)  don’t think you will get a patent and retire on a beach while your invention technology is released to betterment of man.  I am not a tree hugger I hate Al Gore, biggest hypocrite  to taunt the “green” label. This needs to be distributed freely for any change to occur. I for one and my geek friends have decided to see if this is a doable concept and if applicable to use in a car where it would do the most good in this country and elsewhere put it out for all to use and maybe improve upon.  Running a car is laot harder than producing enough to drive it, you have to think about regulating it and take into considerations all the electronics regulating on gas not hydrogen. (IE. Map Sensors and Oxygen Sensors, ect ect).  So even if you can produce enough  you have to adapt the car.  Now for some facts.   :<br><br>Some hydrogen/gasoline facts:<br><br>The available chemical energy when Hydrogen burns is 143 megaJoules per kilogram<br>This is 39.7kWHr/kg<br>Standard gasoline has 13kWHr/kg which is 35.944 kWHr/gal<br>If I have a car that burns 1 gal per hour (which is typical for SUVs on the highway or smaller cars in city traffic),   (most cars getting  20 mpg @ 60 mph equal 3 gallon ok.. so this is one gallon for math’s sake)<br>Then the equivalent hydrogen is 0.905 kg which at 2 grams per mole yields 453 moles.<br>And each mole at STP (standard temperature and pressure) takes up 22.7 liters,<br>Thus our gallon of gas equivalent hydrogen has a volume (@STP) of 10300 liters.<br>This equates to approximately 363 cubic feet. If this is stored at high pressure in standard sized scuba tanks you would need about 4.5 tanks to hold a gallon equivalent of gasoline. Think about what you need for 10 gallons, 25gallons?  And I have assumed no loss of energy.<br>Theoretically the best electrolytic cells can have 94% efficiency. But real world cells only achieve 70%.<br>Now our gallon of gasoline equivalent of hydrogen contains 35.944 kWHr – that’s 35944 watts times hours. If we plan to extract hydrogen using electricity, and if we wish to extract the gallon equivalent in just one hour, we then need 35944 watts of power for the whole hour. Recall a watt is a volt times an amp.  The minimum voltage electrolysis needs is 1.23 volts. Thus 36000 watts equates to about 30000 amps. Do you see a problem with practicality?  So this is  why Meyers<br>Concept must work in order to circumvent this. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Now do you see why my diatribe could be a real  long read?  I think  this is possible , but not based on current facts and laws of physics, thus the need for abstract thinking.  So Meyers Cell does work, but can it make that much to power a car and what changes will have to be made to the car for long term safe use.  So Skeptics have grounds and the <br>Theorist have a lot of work to do.  Let the games begin.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-22736037">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-22736037" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-22736037" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-22736037">jay_1_2_3</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-22736037" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-22736037" class="dsq-comment-message">You guys are missing it! The main difference between Xogen and a Faraday style of electrolysis is how the power is utilized. Xogen is using something similar to a high voltage step system to polarize and separate electrons as opposed to a sustained high amperage current.  Xogen is using Stan Meyer\'s patents for the invention he called a "water fuel cell".<br>The idea people should demand is there has got to be a better way to split water. Look at a fish it separates oxygen from water just by flapping its gills!  Water passes though a thin membrane in the gill and with a flapping motion it separates oxygen from water at greater than 80% efficiency!   <br>When focused we can do the unthinkable like man traveling to the moon. We pool all the best scientists just to build incredibly advanced weapons of mass destruction and not machines of over unity. You are a moron if you think we could not have figured out free energy and clean water by now!</div>\
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	 </li>\
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	 };
	obj.ensureInit = function(callback) {
		// If the controller hasn't already been initted, will wait until it has been before calling
		// callback; otherwise, calls it immediately. Does not attempt to call init.
		if (initted) {
			callback();
		} else {
			onInit.push(callback);
		}
	};
	obj.init = function() {
		// This method should be called after the FB scripts have loaded, FB.init has been called, 
		// and XdComm loaded.
		if (initted) {
			// I think this double init is caused by a bug with FB.ensureInit
			return;
		}
		var frameNode = Dsq.$(Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId());
		var rpcServerName = createRpcClient(frameNode);
		defaultRpcClient = iframes[rpcServerName][0];
		if (!window.isMashable) {
			FB.XFBML.Host.addElement(new FB.XFBML.LoginButton(loginNode));
		}
		Dsq.Events.addHandler(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, onCreateReplyIframe);
		if (Dsq.Thread.getActiveCommentId()) {
			// If there's a highlighted comment, we may have just posted, so check the cookie
			// to see if we should post to newsfeed.
			defaultRpcClient.send('queryNewsfeed', null, postToNewsfeed);
		}
		if (window.isMashable) {
			// Right now only Mashable needs this, because only they have a Connect button
			// inside the iframe, and that's the only iframe-> server communication
			var exportedMethods = {
				requireSession : {'method': requireSession}
			};
			rpcServer = new FB.XdComm.XdRpcServer('disqusParentFbcRpcServer', exportedMethods);

		}
		initted = true;
		for (var i=0; i<onInit.length; i++) {
			onInit[i]();
		}
	};

	return obj;
})();

		ExecuteWhen.add(window.fbIsReady,
			function() {
				FB.ensureInit(function () {
					DisqusFbcParentController.init();
					FB.Connect.ifUserConnected(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin);
				});
			});
	


if(typeof(disqus_callback) == 'function') {
	var callback_params = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams()['dsq_cbp'] || null;

	// We don't care about any errors in third-party code
	try {
		disqus_callback(callback_params);
	} catch (x) {
		if (typeof(console) != 'undefined' && typeof(console.log) == 'function') {
			// But it would be nice to let developers know about them
			console.log(x);
		}
		// pass
	}

	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

})();




