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false, "timestamp": "2009-11-30_03:47:03", "remote_domain": "", "page": 1, "is_moderator": false, "display_username": "", "points": null, "subscribe_on_post": 2, "moderator_can_edit": false, "is_remote": false, "is_verified": false, "missing_perm": null}, "realtime_paused": false, "posts": {"8861187": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So let's follow Pastor Grimm's timeline:<br><br>1. Announces he's opening a shelter in a week, no notice to neighbors.<br>2. Announces he will meet with neighbors after uproar.<br>3. Has meeting, SHARE basically refuses to answer questions.<br>4. Announces  there will be no shelter because SHARE refuses to do  free sex offender checks to be paid  for by  neighbors.<br>5. Talks to media.<br>6. Announces through surrogate there will be a vote, but only with congregation, in secret, no neighbors allowed in, to decide whether to let SHARE come after all.<br>7. Denies what surrogates say, clams up and refuses to talk  to media OR neighbors about anything.<br><br>Are there any points I miss on the good pastor's  Magical Mystery Tour ? Pastor Grimm sure has a great way of communicating, no wonder his church wants to bus in strangers to fill the pews.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_09:35:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "4542da04c95f7d01e1b722fea24d4d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8882180": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Ah, liberal Ballard.<br><br>Is Ballard really as nasty as everyone sounds in these comments, or is it just that the more bad-tempered and intolerant residents show up disproportionately when there is an opportunity to bash the homeless?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_20:44:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "3c28f684ae8ae8b952165ad439bf59db", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8863243": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Agreed but remember we live on a republic, land of laws, god(s) have nothing to do with this.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_10:53:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "6701f0ccc2dc98f3b6c1aeb1a6a74b09", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8863133, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8865538": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Requiring  background checks in exchange for food and shelter is only fair to the community that provides it.  Putting the \" rights \" of the homeless ahead of the safety of the residents of Ballard, is misguided.  Not to get into a what if battle, but what if just one person in our neighborhood falls victim because we didn't know a predator was here?  Can we sue SHARE? the Church?  Not one dime to any church or homeless advocate group if this is allowed without a background check for shelter users.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:06:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "3395f6125fae57dc0926fd3e52fd1566", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8882706": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The argument that the denizens of SHARE at Redeemer shouldn't have to get a background check because \"people who live in houses aren't forced to\"  is totally a straw man. <br><br>If a warrant is issued for my arrest, it's easy to find me, because I HAVE A HOUSE AND A JOB AND AM A REGISTERED VOTER.<br><br>If it's not so easy to track you down because you are none of the above, then it's reasonable to take other steps to find out what your status is.  And it's in no way \"homelessphobia\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_21:11:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "8dcd410036bb62056fa9314c002f0a4a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 11, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8849427": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm sorry, but Grumm sounds like a total creep. But at least he has God on his side.<br><br>Perhaps if they promised to provide supervision the neighbors would feel more comfortable. Supervision seems like a pretty obvious thing for the church to provide. You know, like, taking responsibility?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_22:45:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "fuzzbeans", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8869550": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "There is a play ground across the street?<br>I thought it was more like 3 blocks away.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_13:30:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "bcc9d97c20c84eba0b10061a3e106ea7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8867724, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878103": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "They do other stuff in there too, like have meetings and activities for regular folks too.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_17:55:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "fec52287d82ab7ebf714b1b88fca6baa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8863861, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8869912": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "What a good idea - at a time when church congregations are shrinking everywhere.<br> And at a time where new non-profits are created every day and americans are making more charitable donations than ever while the amount of donations going to traditional \"charities\" (those that feed the hungry, house the homeless and care for the sick) is dropping precipitiously.<br>Go ahead - join your neighborhood church - get involved in the work of reaching out to others - it can't be a bad thing can it?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_13:35:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "ba42390fb782af7095710f6bacbcd926", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8868685, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8872196": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "That's not what I meant, there are simply bad churches, across the board, I know first hand. Unfortunately...there are wolves in sheep's clothing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:44:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8871667, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8916509": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I was in 7-11 today when one of the homeless started ranting at the lady behind the counter. He called her a bunch of names and said that he owned the store and she was fired. They chased him out so he torment the neighborhood. He's a raving nutcase.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_00:57:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8879651": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "But SHARE says they can screen when they \"look 'em in the eye\" and that's all they need to be judge someone's character. <br><br>I mean, that's fool proof!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:54:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "aaa86927e9e9d3f68e08ace0e808e032", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8878234, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8906136": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Firstly, there has been no discussion.  Any the goals have never changed from day one, it has always been that the vast majority of neighbors do not want registered sex offenders housed near them.  It has never been a mission against homeless people, but simply against sex offenders.<br><br>Please do not say that I am arrogant, unreasonable, or have changed my goals.  To be fair, the church has changed their goals (you did ask for sex offender checks but Share refused!) and have not had discussions at all with neighbors.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_16:05:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 9, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8905621, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852518": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Tent City has been in the parking lot of St. Joseph's Church/School at 19th & Aloha on Capitol Hill a couple of times in the last few years. First time there was extensive outreach: flyers & meetings & an ice-cream social with the residents. Second time there was much less outreach. <br><br>Both times it was a NON-EVENT: no problems, no hangers-out, no crime, no issues. Just less trash on the streets: their neighborhood patrols pick it up.<br><br>Old blog posts about it: <a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/cv54h8\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/cv54h8</a><br><br>Tent City has just left Capitol Hill (also a non-event: <a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/cuxarc\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/cuxarc</a> ) and has returned to 22nd & Cherry, where it's also been before, also without problem (<a href=\"http://tinyurl.com/cyjfuq\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://tinyurl.com/cyjfuq</a>).<br><br>I strongly encourage the church to be open about its plans, but point out to the neighborhood that Tent City's record speaks for itself.<br><br>All the best,<br>Andrew", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_01:38:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "5fc5e5e04f045ceba195325a5bbb5f76", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8864808": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Picture if you will, a giant toilet seat, hovering still in the air as if by some anti- gravity miracle at work. It stays over Ballard, looming menacingly, available at the ready for the powers that be to use with impunity. sigh.<br><br>Please leave the lid up, in case it's a nice day...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:43:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8875356": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I sent an email with a bullet list of questions about the shelter before the initial meeting (there wasn't a lot of info out at the time-didn't get a flyer) and never got a response.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:19:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "LBB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8871297, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8872798": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The congregation meets at Our Redeemers - are you that new to the neighborhood - or that oblivous?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:01:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "ba42390fb782af7095710f6bacbcd926", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8872628, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871992": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, good for you.  You've made such a great point.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:41:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "03fffa84197f4fccc146f96a4b83ebb2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8870677, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8882236": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Never mind whether it makes sense.  This thread is just an opportunity for people who are scared of different-looking poor people to spout off.<br><br>And yes, I do live near that church.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_20:47:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "3c28f684ae8ae8b952165ad439bf59db", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8880815, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8905790": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have had background checks every time I volunteered in one of my kids' schools, for pete's sake.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_16:01:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "ethelmay", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8882706, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8896065": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I believe the people at the church all have their hearts in the right place, and that Steve Grumm probably is an alright guy.  But I have sent him several emails now with out getting a single reply back.  If you see him soon 3rd G Ballard native,  please tell him to reply to my email and pop round my house for a coffee to meet my family and hear my concerns.<br><br><br>Kindest Regards<br>Shane", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_11:23:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 14, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8887038, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8933954": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The neighborhood is saying something very simple: a self-managed shelter in a vacant building in a residential neighborhood is not a good place to house sex offenders. The only way SHARE or the church will know if a resident has committed a sexual offense is if they check the resident's identification against the record of known sex offenders. Interviewing the resident is a meaningless check.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_14:37:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "0a94b8c65330bb870de08f6dcad2afee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8874569": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The church building should be turned into a folk music fern bar and offer music lessons, during the day, to the barefoot children of Ballard.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:58:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8911442": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "How would this arrangement pass the zoning for that block? It sounds like a motel business in a residential neighborhood. Some of the homeless are totally nuts and hard to deal with.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_19:57:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8897423, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8862810": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Good point Shane. Where is the congregation? Isn't the church vacant?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_10:38:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8849721, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8889950": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "was that not clear?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_04:08:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8887105, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8912487": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I still find this response from Pastor Steve totally unacceptable for two reasons.<br><br>1. The 20 men staying at the shelter could change every night. Unless they are screening for sex offenders they will not know when one is there.<br><br>2. What does \"he has looked at the 20\" mean? Did he check their identifications against the state's record of sex offenders? This sounds like SHARE's policy of \"looking them in the eye\" to figure out if they are sex offenders. Far too often a person who looks fine is actually very dangerous.<br><br>The stakeholders of the church need to be fully apprised of the risks they are subjecting their church and the community to by not doing this most basic check.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_21:00:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "0a94b8c65330bb870de08f6dcad2afee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8910518, "depth": 10, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8849513": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Time to lawyer up.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_22:49:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "aaa86927e9e9d3f68e08ace0e808e032", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8873067": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Because, like it or not, right or wrong, a lot of people do not want to live in close proximity to a shelter.  This lowers demand on those homes nearby.  Less demand == decreased value.  Is that complicated?<br><br>And it's not about whether it lowers it more than anything else in this economy.  Look at it objectively from the viewpoint of those affected.  Are you in close proximity to the church?  If yes then good for you before putting the needs of others before the value of your home.  If not, you need to get off your righteous soap box.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:10:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "b9fb5e7a1b21392dc429531886b13870", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8869603, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8848402": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Now Way. <br><br>N. O. Spells No<br><br>as they used to say in the olden days.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_22:03:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "0d628cfc8d68ff6abb74a98c16741315", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8874094": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The congregation is now on 85th and 24th at Our Redeemers.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:43:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "LBB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8862810, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8864881": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Phinney Ridge Neighborhood Association runs a soup kitchen two days a week at St. Johns United Lutheran Church on Phinney Ave. N. This has brought a lot of people from outside the neighborhood for the dinners. Some folks linger and are living in vehicles near the church and in the WPZ park. In fact, one woman has been living in the bus shelter for about 6 months. This is right across the street from the main entrance to the Woodland Park Zoo. The WPZ is a tourist attraction for the city. I\u2019d guess the sight of a hunched over mummy sleeping in the bus shelter frightens children coming to the Zoo.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:46:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8863861": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I don't live that close to this church (but I think it's wrong to force another homeless magnet on the neighborhood and I fully support the neighbors' efforts to block this).  Just to get a better idea what this is all about, I drove by there yesterday.  I was surprised to see people in the church.  I thought it was \"vacant\" (it has been described as such several times here) but there were definitely some people in the ground-floor room (visible from the street) when I drove by wednesday afternoon (6 pm).  Are they feeding homeless in there now?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:14:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8862810, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8864376": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "??? of course they raise money, and have salaries to pay, and have the utilities to pay, and soon, may have hell to pay as well...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:29:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8862909, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8851076": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "yes, aren't there zoning violations happening left and right here?  i didn't think that this part north of 65th was multi family housing.  and isn't a shelter some sort of a commercial venture?  i'm sure it's a tax shelter for my redeemer's.  lawyers's on myballard please step forward.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_00:29:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "2b224763672e60c289d49df2f2308025", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8850835, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8908935": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "poor Shane -  many things in this world are beyond sense.  If you rented a room you would be required to register - it is the responsibility of the individual and law enforcement.   It is not the responsibility of landlords or shelter organizations to do the work of law enforcement or probation officers.  Even if some landlords do criminal background checks - most do financial background checks.<br>And how does any of this make you safer or keep responsibility on individuals who have offended.<br>What makes no sense is that you spend your time here harping on a pastor and congregation and an organization that has been around for a long time.  <br>What value are you bringing to the conversation?  Did you just wake up and realize that work needs to be done?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_17:49:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "e266132799c2051ff05b15a3b9548e40", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8908197, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8874642": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Have you seen the area of Capitol Hill around St. Joseph's? Huge old houses. Very, very wealthy neighbors. Not to mention that there is a big old Catholic *school* right there.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:59:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "ethelmay", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8860660, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8875672": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I didn't, I don't know that it is.<br>But, I do know that they exist.<br>\"you shall know them by their fruit\"<br>You can say anything you'd like, it's what you do that matters.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:29:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8875289, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878234": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Here is another article on the same Level 3 sex offender:<br><a href=\"http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/kir/news/44081567.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/kir/news/...</a><br><br><br>Note that after the comment was made pointing out that the Level 3 sex offender was actually last registered as \"HOMELESS\" the Kirkland Reporter posted that they update their story to reflect that information.  In addition, they spoke with a King County Sheriff's spokesperson who confirmed the information provided by saying:<br>A sex offender registry Website identifies Wagner as non-compliant and Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart confirmed Wagner is currently listed as homeless<br><br>\"NON-COMPLIANT\"  That means this convicted rapist, Level 3 Sex offender who registered as \"HOMELESS\"  in Seattle failed to check in as required.<br><br>Anyone still think SHARE should stay at this church while  being  allowed to refuse running FREE sex offender checks ?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:00:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8875780, "depth": 1, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867494": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "ROFLMAO <br>Karma is a bitch. I just wish it was an annex of DESC coming to Ballard instead of a well run sober shelter.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:36:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "8a8b52459b330f0aee6fbbe011db4c71", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8866765, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8880810": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The best way to not have them all colored as criminals, is to accept the checks, then they won't have to worry about being so judged, rightly or wrongly.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_19:43:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8878514, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8890055": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Kris needs to stop hanging out in Ballard, drinking with his pals on the metro benches from here to the u-dist. I met him several days ago, and yes, four years writing from one to one million is, well, one in a million. I was impressed when I saw the article. I'm not impressed that he's lost his way to Guinnes...does he need a map?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_04:25:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8886630, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8900269": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks for straitening me out friend. <br>I am frustrated with how the issue is more polarizing and political than rational. <br>Especially when resources and jobs are getting tighter, we need to focus on helping the legal first.<br>imho.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_13:28:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8898888, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8875182": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "it's one and 1/2 blocks away (or one and 1/4 if you want to split hairs)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:14:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "LBB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8869550, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8880815": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "How will having Share conduct Level 3 sex offender check keep offenders from propositioning teens?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_19:43:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "bf2ed7881c63376a5a16e66d129af267", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8875780, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867506": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Let's be honest, a shelter lowers the value of our homes. We have a right to defend outsiders taking some of that value away. Period. How do u think s**tty neighborhoods get s**tty? By people protecting them?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:37:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "6701f0ccc2dc98f3b6c1aeb1a6a74b09", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8884403": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes<br>Yes<br>Yes", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_22:43:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "LBB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8883435, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8872628": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I'm still confused by the \"vacant\" status of this church. Is it just an empty piece of (tax-free) property, that the church intends to rent out to SHARE as a sort of storage unit for homeless? That strikes me as being against the spirit, if not the letter, of the laws regarding church property and tax-free status.<br><br>Also: where does the active congregation of this pastor's church meet on Sunday? Like I said, I was raised Lutheran--I'm honestly a fan of Lutherans, though I'm more of a Quaker these days--and would be up for participating in a church service this weekend.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:56:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "e2ccdca7238236eea9d5e2aa8e85b921", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8910518": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Ok.<br><br>I just had a long conversation with Steve Grumm and he was VERY helpful. <br><br>He basically had said what has been going on, and stated that he had talked exclusively with Share, and is going to issue a statement soon about everything after the 'vote'.  He did say that many of his congregation have reservations about the shelter so there is a chance it may not happen.<br><br>He is very concerned about the neighborhood, and is very serious about the possibility of sex offenders causing chaos in the community.  He said he has looked at the 20 that would be housed, and when I asked if ANY of them were sex offenders he said 'No'.<br><br>He put my mind at rest.<br><br>I told him he needs to talk to the community as he talked to me, and he agreed.<br><br>I just received this letter from Dawn Lawsen from WA Assoc. of Police and Sheriff's about the law in these situations and this is what she said :-<br><br>\"There are some specifically identified registered sex offenders that have residence restrictions, but it is not a general rule.  The practice does, however, put the church at risk for liability suits.  In addition, the parents will need to be made aware of the situation through notification flyers, especially for Levels II and III.    I am sure that would result in the loss of business to the child care center. <br><br>However, the risk is reduced if the shelter is only open when the child care center is closed.  <br><br>It sounds like meetings and discussions should be held with stakeholders.  The community sexual assault program might also be helpful in providing information about keeping children safe.\"<br><br>Steve said the inhabitants of the proposed shelter are not allowed anywhere near (whatever that means) the shelter outside of the hours it is run (7pm to 7am).<br><br>Actually Steve is an alright guy when you talk to him.<br><br>I urge people to please call him on the number listed for Our Redeemers as I did.<br><br>Kind Regards<br><br>Shane", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_19:09:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8908935, "depth": 9, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871096": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "(loved the screwtape letters, C.S. Lewis)<br>It's a bad thing, if it's a bad church.<br>Dink, they said it would take place on the 7th of May. They didn't give out a time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:12:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8869912, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8862909": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Most churches are not for profits and thus do not pay taxes.  It is not a commerical venture as it does not raise money.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_10:41:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "blite", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8851076, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8879808": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Sounds like a bum deal to us.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_19:01:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8879651, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8932547": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "you obviously dont live in this neighborhood.  but thanks for your insightful commentary.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_12:57:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "b84b8a898f15ca31da3e9e80dc78e0f0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8890664, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8864455": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "My understanding, and my desire, is to require that they screen for sex offenders, and check for any warrants. I don't want this to be a haven for criminals of any kind.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:32:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8852372, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8912732": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Give Steve Grumm a call and ask him.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_21:15:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8912487, "depth": 11, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8913099": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "ok, these are the same folks that had to be forcibly removed from Nicklesville?<br>I believe it took a bit longer than twenty four hours.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_21:38:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8912769, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871117": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Does this congregation ever meet at the church? I thought the building was vacant and not used for services.<br><br>God bless America", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:13:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8870742, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8890488": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Why is that ridiculous? Yes they are illegal, but would you rather have an unlicensed driver on the road or someone who actually has a photo id to present when they are asked?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_05:26:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "7b702515abd20b5cc3daea15eee1c67b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8884947, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8884947": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "that's not law enforcement rose, it's a political move, and ridiculous.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_23:09:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8883709, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8914134": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So, crazy question. Will their presence from 7am to 7pm be more of the drinking on metro stops crowd? Bergen Park? I know that I'd read that they couldn't be within a couple blocks of the shelter during those hours.<br>I know, they said, most will be at work...for what that's worth...", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_22:53:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8913448, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8890072": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thank you 3_G. I mean no harm to your flock, honestly, God bless.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_04:28:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8887038, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8938714": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Basically, Share have to do a Sex Offender check if the shelter is out doors (ie. Tent Cities).<br><br>If the shelter is inside then, as long as they have the rule that nobody can be anywhere near the shelter outside its hours of operation.<br><br>My only question would be who would police it and who is ultimately responsible if something does go wrong.  I don't really like the quote 'the guys police themselves' excuse.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_15:58:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8933954, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878818": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "thanks!  that still sucks tho!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:23:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "2b224763672e60c289d49df2f2308025", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8862909, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8869603": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "How does a shelter lower the value of your home any more than any other crappy outcome of this financial crisis?<br>What outsider is taking anything from you?<br>Geeez", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_13:32:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "bcc9d97c20c84eba0b10061a3e106ea7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8867506, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8883435": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "so you expected a point by point response?<br>Did you attend the meeting?<br>did you ask those bulleted questions in the presence of others?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_21:52:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "e266132799c2051ff05b15a3b9548e40", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8875356, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8913448": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Beware of such an offer.  Once they are in, they won't leave and their word in meaningless.  Remember, these are the same people that told you they were unable to do sex offender checks because of the cost involved, when the knew King County was doing them for free at their Tent City 4 location for the past 5 yrs. <br> When issues have come up in other communities, they skirt around it by saying that they can't control what their residents do outside the shelter.  <br>So basically if the crimes of their residents take place anywhere outside of Calgary, they are not responsible.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_22:02:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8913099, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871667": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I know what you mean  - You gotta watch those Lutherans.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:30:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "ba42390fb782af7095710f6bacbcd926", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8871096, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8956661": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I met that guy too. He told me the story and showed me an article. Now I cant get rid of him. Every time he sees me in a public place he sits down with me, even if I am out with friends. Its very embarrassing", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-03_14:52:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "0d628cfc8d68ff6abb74a98c16741315", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8886630, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8908534": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have just called the church and spoken to a very nice lady about speaking to Steve Grumm about the shelter.  She has promised she will get him to call me in order to arrange to chat.<br><br>Hopefully he will call back so I can voice my concerns to him and leave it at that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_17:32:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8908197, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867581": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yeah, I've seen somre gross exagerations, but man.  You go all the way don't ya.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:39:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "03fffa84197f4fccc146f96a4b83ebb2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8860660, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8887038": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Please don't write off the whole churh of ORLC as bad.  There are many of us members that do not support how this is being handled even if we see a need to help the less fortunate. Steve is a nice guy and only means well, but at times like this, he clearly needs to listen better.   I am not very active and only attend rarely, but if I can find out when this vote is, I will be there to vote my \"No\".  I can not promise that the vote will result in a \"No\" but at least I think it is clear that the voices and concerns of the neighborhood are not being heard.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_01:13:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "3rd_G_Ballard_native", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 19, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8868095": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I'd say theres a lot of emotions running around.  While I do support the sex offender checks, I think gathering the villagers with lawyers and torches is a bit much right now.  I'd wait to hear what Pastor Grimm has to say when he's ready.  If the congregation comes back with a no, well, seems like you'll have worried and payed a bunch of lawyers for nothing.  I'm sure they'll weigh all the concerns and options before rendering a decision.<br><br>If it's a yes, and SHARE moves in with no checks, well, then by all means form a committee, talk to them, get a lawyer if need be.  Plus I'm betting it will take more than a night if a decision is announced for SHARE to move in, so plenty of time to draft up something.<br><br>Though truth be told this is an odd development, I thought SHARE said they didn't want to live here.  That letter they sent, the \"Unamerican\" letter\" pretty much said they were moving on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:51:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "03fffa84197f4fccc146f96a4b83ebb2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8860418": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ahhhhhhhh<br><br><br>The Ballard scum fest continues.............", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_09:03:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "TTTCOTTH", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8875780": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "For those of you in support of allowing SHARE to move to this church without conducting Level 3 sex offender checks, please read this story which appears online at the Seattle Times:<br> <a href=\"http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009146625_webproposition29m.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews...</a><br> <br>The headline reads, \"Level 3 Sex offender Accused of Propositioning Teens in Kirkland.\"  <br><br>What the article fails to report, but what is available by doing a quick check of the King County sex offender registry is that this scum, who was previously convicted of rape is registered as \"HOMELESS.\"<br><a href=\"http://www.metrokc.gov/SexOffender/search_name_3.aspx\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.metrokc.gov/SexOffender/search_name_...</a><br><br><br>Do you still think it's a good idea that SHARE is refusing to run the checks at this church?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:33:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 10, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871297": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I sent an email to the office of Our Redeemers and to Steve Grumm last night expressing that being a close neighbor could I have a moment just to talk to him about my concerns.<br><br>I have yet to get a reply.<br><br>I hope they do honor their claim that they are speaking to the neighbors.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:19:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8940819": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"nobody can be anywhere near the shelter outside its hours of operation.\"<br><br>yes, they can wander in and out of the neighborhood.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_16:20:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "aa27c077fb903527525f104068455d5b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8938714, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8870677": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Not lawyers and torches.<br><br>PITCHFORKS and torches.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:00:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8868095, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8875289": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You can disagree with Pastor Grumm but I wouldn't write off the whole church as \"bad\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:17:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "LBB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8872196, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8883674": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Well Robert Seattle/Ballard in particular has always been a pseudo green pseudo liberal poster child.   I do think however that the climate of the whole country is disintegrating into nastiness, fear, hate and jealousy.    The Ugly American has gotten uglier.  <br><br>Funny thing I heard today that brings it all home.  Barbie is 50 this year.  She used to be a doctor now she has a tramp stamp.   What does that say about American consumers and the society we live in today?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_22:05:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "2de6d0e797775c6ec04c3ea0937b2c21", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8882180, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8912769": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I believe I read somewhere in all the endless blogs about this shelter that SHARE made a statement they were willing to do a trial-period of I think a few weeks, saying they would leave within 24 hours if there are any problems.<br>If they manage to get in without the background checks, perhaps the neighbors in the immediate area can get an agreement signed by SHARE and Our Redeemers based on this? At least there would be something that could legally get them out should any problems occur. Just a thought...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_21:18:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "darnative", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8864033": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "There are lots of churches in OTHER neighborhoods, too.  Why aren't the homeless shelters going to those neighborhoods?  I'll tell you why: because the city has decided to make Ballard the dumping ground for all the undesirables because we put up with it.  We should stop putting up with it until other neighborhoods take their share.<br><br>How many homeless magnets (shelters, soup kitchens, food banks, etc.) does Ballard now have?  How many equivalent facilities do other neighborhoods have?  I haven't seen ANY in Ravenna, Magnolia, West Seatle (the mayor's neighborhood), etc.<br><br>Until we start seeing some sharing of the burden, I say Ballard should take NO MORE. NONE.<br><br>How about it, Seattle?  Fair is fair.  If we need to provide these facilities, they should be distributed equally among ALL the city's neighborhoods, rather than turning THIS neighborhood into a slum.<br><br>We should start with the mayor's block in West Seattle. After all, they get the best snow removal in the city...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_11:20:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8863133, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8850722": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think that it is time to create a congregation of neighbors, and hire a lawyer. WHEN someone has a property crime or \"heaven forbid\", a violent crime occur, we should then move to sue all the member of Our Redeemers who voted to allow in this criminal element.<br><br>Just because they are members of a church does not mean they cannot be held accountable in civil court. Share/Wheel can also be named in the suit, along with their leadership.<br><br>Simply put, Share/Wheel enables criminal behavior, and  the pastor at Our Redeemers has joined the gang.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_00:03:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "03063b9f6f67cbd0a0ca0d56a1987f47", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8890664": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Ha thats fucking ridiculous, too many social services? Any in ballard have been around in one form or the other for decades. I can't really think of any that have been \"added\" save one homeless shelter that according to some people is going to destroy us. Ballard is huge and keeps growing. Compare the amount of social services to other areas of seattle per capita and we aren't even close. This is just a bunch more NIBMY bullshit that needs stop.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_05:49:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "7b702515abd20b5cc3daea15eee1c67b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8882477, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8904490": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The common thread here is church leaders that decide to bring this to a community, but refuse to give the community a voice (and a vote) when the opionion is different than theirs.<br>It is the height of arrogance to shut down reasonable discussions voicing legitimate concerns.  Ignoring the neighbors simply heightens the issue and only further divides the church from the community.<br>It is not unreasonable to require SHARE to run sex offender checks in exchange for space when they have already been doing such checks for free through King County Sheriff's  (plus outstanding warrants) at their Tent City 4 locations on the Eastside.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_15:37:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8902565, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8854315": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just how much money is this church expecting to get in return for selling out the neighborhood.    Do they really think it will be worth it?   Before this vote is taken I sure hope someone can talk to the congregation about what  the neighbors are feeling about this decision.  I have been in too many  situation at clubs where the leaders [pastor] leads the way and the vote shows it.  Whatever the head honchos want, they seem  to get.  Among my friends, they all attend churches out of the areas from where they live.  One lives in Queen Anne and goes to church in North Shoreline.  So this is probaby taken place at this chuch to.  They don't realize what is going on in ballard.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_02:58:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "3c86265c358a013a6093c528fbfbceb4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8882477": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "this has nothing to do with different looking poor people - unless they happen to be the ones who pee in my yard, throw their beer cans in my garden, sleep in my yard, yell at my family.  This is about too many social services being located in close proximity in a residential neighborhood.  if there is no reason for homeless people to leave my neighborhood, they wont.  we already give them a place to sleep, and food 5 days a week.  We continue to welcome the homeless from elsewhere in the state and the country - why, because we dole out the goods.  We cant keep adding to this population.  What is your limit to the amount of social services we should continue to add to our neighborhood robert?  i am done.  I didnt move to ballard 8 years ago so my children could learn how to cuss from the homeless people who mill around outside my house all day.  My kids actually enjoy being outside now that the soup kitchen has closed tues-thurs.  The scary man that yells to himself and threatens to kill the neighbors isn't pacing our sidewalk.  Gee, lets let these good, down on their luck folk back. I was getting a bit tired of enjoying my neighborhood again anyway.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_20:58:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "b84b8a898f15ca31da3e9e80dc78e0f0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8882236, "depth": 3, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8898355": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "With all the newspapers going under, there  will be even more writers on the street.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_12:32:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8893942, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8849721": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I live right next to the church and think it is extremely unfair that the neighbors have no say, or get to vote. I am sure 90% of the congregation do not live within ten blocks of the church.<br><br>Perhaps I should stand outside the church with a table on the 7th and have ballots for people that live near to vote. I wonder if that will make a difference.<br><br>I also wonder if they still refuse to screen the 20 guys for sex offenders.<br><br><br>If anyone want to call the church and say what you think you should.  I live right by the church and dispite what they are saying about talking to the neighborhood, they definitely have not.<br><br>I have emailed the church and had no reply.  I will call and if I get no reply, I shall pop in there.  If I have no luck,  I will mail flyers to the surrounding neighborhood and ask them if they would like to vote, if so I will set up a table outside and give the ballot box to Steve to count.<br><br>There is a day car right next to the carpark,  wasn't there a law passed last week (Eric's law or something)  that stated a sex offender was not allowed to be housed or stay in a shelter within so many yards or a day care?  Does anyone know the exact name of the law, I know it was mentioned on King 5, and was passed to stop these kind of situations.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_23:01:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867649": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'd like to point out again, that they have lied to the residents of Ballard repeatedly.<br>Especially with regard to criminal background checks. Also, the media in this town rolling over themselves to disseminate such lies for them. Shameful, Shameful.<br>Only the Geeky Swedes have avoided being their pawns, and I'm eternally grateful to them for that. Keep up the good work!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:40:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8866765, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8848708": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "all for it, hope the congregation lives up to their ideals.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_22:16:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "a40d33c29aefe7ef3732dcc30b096eb0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871749": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yeah!  Why aren't they like some of those other Shelters that will make folks sit through a service before they can stay the night or have a meal!<br>Why don't they make all their congregants stay the night to make sure the rest of us are safe?  So much for love thy neighbor Huh?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:33:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "ba42390fb782af7095710f6bacbcd926", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8870742, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8898888": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Wow. Way off topic here and way off the truth. NO undocumented immigrants who aren't citizens have been allowed to vote. None. It is a federal offense and not one that is ignored. The GOP have been pushing this meme as a means to tighten up voter registration to make it difficult for any new voters to register because they know that younger people are not going to vote republican.<br>I can get a driver's license in Japan if I take the class and pass the test, and I don't even have to do it in Japanese. Otherwise I can drive there for a year or two with my WA DL and a passport. I'd much rather have anyone who needs to drive here be able to do it legally, because we all know that if we don't allow it, it's going to happen anyway and then it's going to happen without a license, and by extension without insurance. Which would you rather have? People living here and driving with insurance and a license who've passed the driving test, or none of that and who if they get in an accident would be far more tempted to run off because they don't have insurance or a license?<br>It sounds like you want to be an absolutist on the immigration question but if you get just a scratch below the surface the situation gets a lot more complicated. I'll agree that immigration policy as it is today is seriously flawed, but  a mass arrest and deportation of 11 million people isn't a realistic option.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_12:49:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "fec52287d82ab7ebf714b1b88fca6baa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8895998, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8884554": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The building should be used as a church and not a motel.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_22:49:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8906572": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This letter was posted by someone (not me) on BallardNewsTribunes website.<br><br><a href=\"http://www.ballardnewstribune.com/2009/04/29/letters-editor/shelter-vote-shows-disdain-neighbors\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.ballardnewstribune.com/2009/04/29/le...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_16:20:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8897423, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8868685": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "i believe even churches are subject to anti-discrimination laws. Meaning, anyone and everyone must be allowed to join.<br><br>So, if the vote is open only to the congregation, why don't we all join that congregation--and vote?<br><br>I'm serious. Heck, I was even baptized Lutheran. When does this vote take place, and where will it be held?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_13:07:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "e2ccdca7238236eea9d5e2aa8e85b921", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8870742": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Does anyone know what time the secret vote is taking place on the 7th? If so, then all who are concerened should be outside that church, signs in hand and stage a peaceful protest. Let the congregation know how the people who live here feel. Call the media to attend and get this in the spotlight. <br><br>I for one have no issue with groups making an effort to get people off the street, but it has to be done responsibly. I too was raised Lutheran and what that taught me was a sense of service to my community, this means helping out when you can and being responsible for the community you live in. Why is the church so willing to house these people, but not willing to provide support? Pastor Grumm does not sound like the kind of Lutheran that I would like to know, does he not remember that he is supposed to \"Love Thy Neighbor\"?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:02:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "e4f05f6f5fcca71770982d17fbb18c42", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8930137": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If any kind of assault does occur, SHARE's promise to leave within 24 hours will be completely worthless to the church and the neighborhood. The church will face a massive lawsuit and could lose a huge amount in legal expenses. SHARE has very little in assets so it has almost nothing to lose in a lawsuit. They will conveniently walk away from the church and the neigborhood.<br><br>SHARE seems particularly adept at finding good-hearted people, then feeding them bogus assurances and promises. When things go badly, the good-hearted people are left with the mess. If you want a preview of how SHARE will respond if things go badly, take a look at the letter SHARE wrote to the Ballard News Tribune. In it they write that if they cannot move into Ballard Calvary Lutheran, they will find a church that \"who walks their talk\". Obviously, they are implying that Our Redeemer's is a church that does not walk their talk.<br><br>The shelter has not even opened and yet SHARE is already publicly questioning Our Redeemer's integrity. Is that really the type of organization you would want to tie your legal fortunes to?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_10:55:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "0a94b8c65330bb870de08f6dcad2afee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8883548": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "But why are you supposing that a background check by a shelter organization is the same as registering with proper authorities?  There is no requirement that any organization that does a back ground check share the found information with any third party.<br>By denying shelter - you are denying opportunity to have a listed address.<br>The twisted logic of impying safety by requiring background checks is the real straw man.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_21:57:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "5eeba59a0cb160027d0006401bf6ec9e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 9, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8882706, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852318": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "sad to say, but maybe someone should call Tim Eyman and suggest he create an initiative that gives neighbors a say in these kinds of matters.  seems unfair that a church can make a decision that has such impact on the neighborhood.  our redeemers on 85th and 24th hosted a tent city without any communication with neighbors.  i heard about it on the news and was disgusted when the church said they discussed this with neighbors.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_01:20:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "41fb1747301476aa52e81a2360defb15", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8914271": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "scrEwtape<br>We have been out discussing, watching, listening, pointing out the lies, working to keep this neighborhood safe.<br>And we are still here where we are now...<br>where have you been?<br>Show up now, and attack the people with 'skin' in this game...bad form. You have no stake here.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_23:01:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8906136, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8886630": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "One day this week, while sipping a latte outside of one of my favorite Ballard coffee shops, I watched a man search a curbside trash can in front of me.  Unsuccessful in his search, he sat down on a bench beside me.   I've been working on being more tolerant of all people, so I struck up a conversation with him.  I wanted to know his story.  He told me that he was a writer.   I was eager to learn more about his writing, but two of his buddies showed up.   They all decided to have a smoke.  So here I sat sipping my latte with three homeless guys smoking.  It didn't take long for an employee to come out and shoo the smokers away.  I went inside to get a refill.<br><br>When I returned, my writer friend was still outside.  I asked him to share his writing with me. He opened his backpack and retrieved a folder.  He pulled a faded and weathered certificate from the folder and explained to me that he writes numbers.   A matter of fact, he's the only man in the world, who's written a million numbers out by hand.   He asked me if I would buy a certificate with one of his million numbers written on it.  He was only asking for two dollars, but I declined.  However, I did get him a cup of coffee.  While drinking his coffee, he told me part of his story.  Years ago he was a fisherman based out of Ballard, but he left the trade after losing many of his friends at sea.  He returned to Utah where he was raised.  While in Utah, he decided he wanted to do something that no one had ever done before.  He decided to write a million numbers by hand.   At first, I didn't believe this far-fetched tale.  However, he decided to give me one of his numbers.  I picked the year I was born, 1962.   Very carefully, like an author signing a book, he wrote the number o19620.   I took my certificate and returned home. The first thing I did when I got in the house was Goggle this man's name in-conjunction with the state of Utah and the task of writing one million numbers by hand.  Lo and behold, I found a link to this man, Kris Wilson.   Kris does indeed have a really interesting story to tell.  I hope to see him again soon.  Kris' goal is to get his work listed in Guinnes World Records.  I hope Kris meets his goal.   I wish there was an easy answer to the issues we're faced with in Ballard.  I personally am not in favor of a tent city and I strongly oppose car camping on our streets.  However, after my encounter with Kris, I'll think twice before making up my own story about homeless people.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_00:48:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "e8a5972dbb90e70fbd49004d250a36a6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867690": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "yes they raise money via donations to the church, hence the not for profit status.  If they raise money via a commercial (ie for profit) manner, they lose their not for profit designation and must start paying property taxes, income taxes etc.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:41:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "blite", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8864376, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8932209": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Adding to #3 it is discovered that SHARE has had  sex offender/outstanding warrant checks done for FREE through the King County Sheriff's office for their Tent City 4 shelter on the Eastside.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_12:35:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8930539, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8932211": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "In the case of SHARE, lies for sure, in the case of the Pastor, we can blame naive foolishness.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_12:35:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "5d4ffd1461812f5c8731827c87866e38", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8930539, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8912958": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "R u validated now?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_21:30:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "5e0f7d71743d66669395e6e2d6539216", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8910518, "depth": 10, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852345": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I have an alternative - instead of using this church, how about members of this congregation who actually want to help these homeless people each \"adopt\" one and take them home with THEM instead of deciding to house them near MY home.<br><br>I'm going to find out where these people live, buy tents and find homeless people to go camp in their yard.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_01:22:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "41fb1747301476aa52e81a2360defb15", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8874880": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "That's happened in Seattle. My family's church (in Magnolia) sent volunteers to another church that was hosting homeless folks; our family were dinner volunteers a couple of times, and others from our church did both dinner and overnight volunteering.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_16:05:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "ethelmay", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8863133, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878977": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "if the homeless have something to hide, then they probably won't want to be screened.  i'm sure there are plenty of upstanding homeless people out there and this would in no way violate there civil rights since they've done nothing wrong.  i think that generally the neighborhood is not going to shun people for criminal violations they themselves committed but were never caught.  ballard seems far brighter than that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:27:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "2b224763672e60c289d49df2f2308025", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8878514, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8930539": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "How about a review of the lies from Pastor Steve and SHARE:<br><br>Lie #1 - In the original letter to the neighborhood, we were assured that background checks and sexual offender checks would be done on all participants of the shelter. Then, Pastor Steve backtracked and said he misunderstood SHARE about the checks. <br><br>Lie #2 - SHARE says it doesn't do background or sexual offender checks at any of its shelters. Then, we discover that they have agreed to checks at shelters on the eastside.<br><br>Lie #3 - SHARE says they couldn't possibly do sexual offender checks because it would be too expensive and time-consuming. Then, neighbors volunteer to do the checks for free. SHARE has no reasonable response so they start complaining that these checks are an insult.<br><br>Lie #4 - Pastor Steve says he will not open the shelter without an agreement from SHARE to do sexual offender checks. Then, Pastor Steve changes his mind and decides he and SHARE can tell who is a sex offender by looking at them.<br><br>Lie #5 - SHARE tells Pastor Steve that sexual offender checks are unnecessary because parole officers will inform SHARE if a sex offender is staying at their shelter. Unfortunately for SHARE, King County Sexual Offender Unit delivers the truth and tells a neighbor that the system does not work that way at all.<br><br>I am sure there are more lies, but these the ones that come to mind and make it very hard to believe the shelter is going to be run in an honest way.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_11:23:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "0a94b8c65330bb870de08f6dcad2afee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8887105": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Chopper  - don't be facile.<br>You want shelter organizations to do warrent checks too?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_01:16:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "ee43b901056813e228f92c4b6c57d500", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8885201, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8867724": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "So you'll be taking your kids to the playground across the street every day?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:42:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "03fffa84197f4fccc146f96a4b83ebb2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8867494, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8877453": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I believe they are allowed to rent to other not for profits and still maintain their not for profit status.  But they wouldn't be able to rent to  someone for general commerce, ie for profit retail, restaurant etc, with out jeopardizing their tax free status.  I assume SHARE is a not for profit?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_17:31:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "blite", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8872628, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8897423": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Talk to your pastor! His communication on this whole issue has been terrible and now he's being like SHARE, going totally secret and refusing to listen to anyone.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_12:08:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "aa27c077fb903527525f104068455d5b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8887038, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878993": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Is that even legal?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:28:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "9af9da9476e4da70149e28db47f281f4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8874309, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8850835": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Soneone said elsewhere that housing this many people (multiple family) would be a violation of the local zoning laws. <br><br>Is that true?  Does anyone know?  If so, it would seem to be a clear way to stop this.  <br><br>Are there any lawyers here who could advise on that (or are they all in Magnolia....where there are no plans to import more homeless....coincidence?  Hmmmm...)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_00:11:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 7, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8850722, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852372": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "A lot of neighbors have been meeting to discuss their concerns.  The zoning laws don't apply because it is church property and a church has a right to do whatever it needs to in its mission to help the homeless.<br><br>I have no idea why SHARE refuses background checks to weed out sex offenders.  Nieghbors have offered to pay out of their own pockets and even volunteer to do the background checks themselves and SHARE still refuses.  In my opinion they are so wrapped up in their political agenda they don't care who they could potentially hurt by helping anyone who is homeless - whether they are a criminal or not.  That kind of myopic self-centered agenda is not going to help anyone.<br><br>I thought there was a law that said that sex offenders could not live within a certain distance of schools, daycares and parks.  Is there a loophole so that homeless sex offenders can then stay a shelter even if it is two blocks from a park, across the street from a daycare and a block from a gradeschool?  That is a loophole that needs to be closed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_01:25:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballardmom", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8905621": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": ".....it is easy to kvetch about being treated rudely.... and not being listened to and the height of arrogance and all that in leiu of  reasoned discussions.  Honestly..... I don't beleive that you all have tried reasoned discussion.   I think that you keep on changing your goals of what is important to ensure safety to the community.   You like to be outraged over the injustice of the world.   Poor babies.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_15:55:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "ae2022fede6690ac6fb6e4260992011f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 10, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8902565, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8893848": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Naaaa, we're  just trying to protect the values of our homes.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_09:56:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "4542da04c95f7d01e1b722fea24d4d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8883674, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8863133": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "My church in Chicago hosted a homeless shelter with two other neighborhood churches (all different denominations).  It was housed in one of the churches that had proper facilities for providing meals and shower as well as space for sleeping.  The ONE HUGE DIFFERENCE between our shelter and the ones existing or proposed here in Seattle is that every night 2-3 parishioners from the churches volunteered to stay the night in the shelter and provide the meal/supervise.  No neighbors complained and there weren't issues.  I totally agree that we are obliged to help the less fortunate, however, there are responsible ways to do just that and I think our church in Chicago met its obligations to God and its neighbors.  It took at least 3 churches combining to provide enough volunteers to supervise.  There are lots of churches in Ballard, perhaps they too can combine to provide volunteers to supervise the shelter.  That is living your faith, not just renting out your vacant space irresponsibly.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_10:49:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "blite", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8850846": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yep - that sure seems to be what's called for.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_00:11:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8849513, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8874309": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Is there some way to declare a bum free zone?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:49:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852896": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Not anti-Magnolia at all...I just know that the lawyers there have been able to fight the city, sometimes successfully.  I don't live in Magnolia and I think the idea of putting a homeless facility in Fort Lawton is just tragic -- then again, the city's brilliant laders thought that Discovery Park was  agreat place to put a sewage treatment plant, so that speaks volumes.  I wish the lawyers in Magnolia nothing but success in their efforts to keep the city from dumping the homeless in Fort Lawton.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_02:12:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8852453, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8902565": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am actually a member of a church in shoreline (Shoreline Tabernacle) and I have introduced myself to Steve, and last year I tried to talk to him about the Tent City when it was there.  Infact I reported to him the two instances where two of the inhabitants of tent city had to be removed from drunk Olympic Manor playground/park by the police.<br><br>Many people go to churches some distance from where they live for a number of reasons (they may like the Pastor, may have been going to that church for years etc.) but I would never vote at my church in Shoreline for something that would affect where I do not reside.<br><br>Feel free to call the church there if you don't believe that I am a member.<br><br>All Steve had to do was send me a reply, either naming a time when we could meet, or even politely declining.  Ignoring me is rude.<br><br>Shane", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_14:35:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 12, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8900000, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8850855": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yep - that sure seems to be what's called for.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_00:12:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8849513, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852904": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Now THIS is the best idea I've heard all day.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_02:13:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ballard_Sucks_Now", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8852345, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8922026": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "some description of the individual would be most helpful...", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-02_04:16:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8916509, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878514": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The reasoning, (and I'm not defending it, just explaining it) is that SHARE feels that a background check is the equivalent of coloring all homeless as criminals. <br>Since SHARE is a homeless advocacy group they would naturally oppose this just as the NAACP would have opposed background checks for black people moving into a neighborhood a century ago. The only problem with this reasoning is that there are a high percentage of homeless people with warrants and criminal backgrounds of varying degrees. That's not to say that all 20 of the homeless men would be criminals, or even be prone to committing crimes, but with the recent uptick in crime and influx of transients it's a tough sell for SHARE in Ballard right now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:12:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "fec52287d82ab7ebf714b1b88fca6baa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8852372, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852918": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 (RLUIPA)<br><br>More info at:  becketfund (dot) org, search on \"Property Rights\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_02:15:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "81bbb3e52e9efb9634617019425c1778", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8878524": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Whether or not a shelter organization runs a background check for sex offender status does not impact whether a sex offender becomes non-compliant in reporting their address.  It is not the same thing.  It is the individual sex offender that is required to report and up to law enforcement agencies to track.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_18:12:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "5a245f00cc5fb0fbe52265d1b1ec4634", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8878234, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8900000": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Dear Shane,<br>Have you been part of a faith community before?<br>Have you tried phoning the office?<br>Have you tried introducing yourself after a service?<br>I am glad that you have such high expectations of a pastor of a local congregation.<br>But I would assume that someone such as you would make less of a passive effort to shame this man.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_13:21:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "ae2022fede6690ac6fb6e4260992011f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 13, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8896065, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8868300": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "amused...Karma...calling you out...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:56:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8867494, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8866765": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Just to recap, SHARE currently runs outstanding warrant and sex offender checks at their Tent City 4 locations on the Eastside.  They've been doing this since 2004.  The checks are run for FREE for SHARE by King County.<br><br>Please view the current permit for Tent City 4 (which is now in Redmond at St. Jude's) to see that the requirement for warrant/sex offender checks is part of the permit.<br><br>That permit can be viewed here:<br><a href=\"http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/pdfs/L09006\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/pdfs/L09006</a>...<br><br>In addition, ask yourselves why it is that representatives from SHARE stood up before this community and knowingly lied when they said they were unable to run sex offender checks because of the cost involved?  <br><br>Sadly I'm guessing that the majority of the members of the church that will be voting on this issue live nowhere near the location and are therefore not impacted by the decision that they will make.<br><br>The neighbors should have a voice and representation.  If that means standing out in front of that church on the evening they will take the vote, then so be it.  Maybe passing out flyers with factual information regarding SHARE and pointing to the fact that they are running checks in Redmond and that this community deserves equal treatment.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:16:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "de0d54c8e5a0073777b7f67ff0fced79", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8907950": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Exactly - you have never approached anyone in that church community or at Share in the spirit of discussion.  It is very clear that you are scared.   You want a shelter organization to somehow enforce the requirements that individuals convicted of level 3 sex offences register their addresses.  You think that somehow if the shelter does this screening you will be safe.  Geez - if you had been out and discussing and church going and talking and working to keep the neighborhood safe we wouldn't be here.  Now that homelessness has risen to the point where you have noticed we are all supposed to jump and respond to your fears.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_17:07:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "ae2022fede6690ac6fb6e4260992011f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 7, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8906136, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8885201": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "they have denied themselves shelter 'straw man', I'd like to follow that choice to it's conclusion.<br>Also, it is required for most (apparently this lil' pet project is somehow exempt), who know of a wanted individual, and shelter them, and to not report, is actionable, and illegal.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_23:24:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8883548, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8854484": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So... they're emphatically not going to engage in conversation with \"the media\"... but they are \"in the midst of a conversation\" with neighbors?  Yeah.  Sure they are.<br><br>By the way, the city has given this a green-light, so we're now pretty much SOL.<br><br>Unless, of course, someone manages to catch a registered sex offender on film at the shelter.  I don't mean that flippantly either: If the neighborhood wants this shut down, doing so the hard way is the only remaining option.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_03:05:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "7e219f3f070267d22e8e8154513759b3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8849366": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks Swedes, hope to hear all about it when they make their announcement.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-29_22:42:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8881626": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Screening to make sure the transients don't have internet access and MySpace accounts would be important too.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_20:19:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "845af3cf8dc0c8a51c18f546cbe594f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8880815, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8908197": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am not even going to try and respond because your comments make no sense.  Share do screen at several shelters for sex offenders.  If a registered offender rented a room and moved next door to me I couldn't stop it, but he would have to register and I would know he is there.  Many of us are simply asking that the same rules follow people staying at the shelter that would be the same rules if they were to rent accomodation.  We are not asking for anything else.<br><br>Why does Steve Grumm say so many times he has spoken to the neighbors when he hasn't?  It makes no sense.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": false, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_17:18:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "97f8c0053e8aed157415dda2673c9e68", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8907950, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8852453": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Hate to rain on your anti Magnolia parade but Fort Lawton is in line for transitional housing w/ homeless.  The plan is currently on hold pending resolution of litigation initiated by concerned homeowners (I think) but it's only a matter of time given that it's a Federal statute that governs what happens to former military bases that are no longer being used as such.    <a href=\"http://www.fortlawton.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.fortlawton.com/</a>  or  <a href=\"http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/neighborhoods/fortlawton/brac/faqs.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/neighborhoods/fortl...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_01:32:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "0bb428b6c98b7543632be5171bdd4b5d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8850835, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8872934": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just to bring you up do date..... a while ago both congregations merged...was in all the papers.....had a public procession from one place to the other.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_15:05:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "ba42390fb782af7095710f6bacbcd926", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8872798, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8871915": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks Shane, let us know how it goes...<br>I'd also add, the date for the vote is the 7th, but no time or location was provided, it could be anywhere, everywhere, like individual bible studies, e-mails, etc.<br>He has spoken with the neighbors, and the media, but that phase may be over, as he said, he won't have anything to say until he has something to say.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_14:38:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8871297, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8860660": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Tent City wouldn't have an impact on capital hill? That's hardly a surprise. In fact,  I imagine a tent city would be an improvement in  some parts of Cap Hill. And wow, now it's in the CD and no impact. What, they don't notice the vagrants over the sound of gang gun fire?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_09:12:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "4542da04c95f7d01e1b722fea24d4d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8852518, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8893942": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Great story  but that doesn't explain why he can't find work to support himself. plenty of struggling writers do, they're called 'waiters'.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_10:01:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "4542da04c95f7d01e1b722fea24d4d36", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8886630, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8866812": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://www.westseattlefoodbank.org\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.westseattlefoodbank.org</a><br>many soup kitchens there as well (use The Google)<br><br>So many commentators here are so *absolute* in their convictions yet their positions are often based on ignorance and their 'facts' demonstrably false.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_12:17:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "ccdbba4f539ed1bc6424086d8508ede7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8864033, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8883709": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Of course Straw.  That\u2019s why law enforcement supports the idea of driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-04-30_22:07:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "2de6d0e797775c6ec04c3ea0937b2c21", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8883548, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "8895998": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "the illegal issue is ridiculous on many levels, first, they are illegal, right? So you give them a license, register them to vote, give them in-state tuition rates for our universities, give them public assistance, give them free medical via the ER's,  and now,  I get to choose between them driving with or without a photo? <br>I choose that they become legal, or go home.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-01_11:21:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "chopper_74", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 8890488, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": null, "theme": 2, "reply_position": false, "disqus_logo": true}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "16984494", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "108022", "hash": -3773519791647264793}, "thread": {"days_alive": 0, "slug": "neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter", "paginate": false, "num_pages": 1, "num_posts": 146, "per_page": 0, "total_posts": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 16984494, "queued": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "29ac93bcc80e20dc00554a7b3e9cc874", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": false, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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 * Dsq.Strings: UI strings
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Dsq.Strings = new function() {
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/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
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Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
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Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '4f0bfca82e06c976a1efdd7c783a5fd0';
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Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
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Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
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Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
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Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
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Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
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 * Shorcuts
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Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
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Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
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Dsq.Validators = new function() {
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			return true;
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			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
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				failure_callback(ret);
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		return true;
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};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
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	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
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	this.findPos = function(obj) {
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			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			return parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">146</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 </div>\
		';

		
			html = Dsq.Templates.authPost() + html;
		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
								 	<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You are commenting as a Guest. You may choose to log into an existing DISQUS Profile, your Facebook, Twitter or OpenID account to comment on My Ballard" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Optional:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:16984494" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'myballard',
			't'				: 'neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'neighbors_church_to_vote_on_homeless_shelter'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/16984494/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/myballard/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/myballard/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}









(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8882706">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8882706" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8882706" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8882706">JK</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8882706" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8882706" class="dsq-comment-message">The argument that the denizens of SHARE at Redeemer shouldn\'t have to get a background check because "people who live in houses aren\'t forced to"  is totally a straw man. <br><br>If a warrant is issued for my arrest, it\'s easy to find me, because I HAVE A HOUSE AND A JOB AND AM A REGISTERED VOTER.<br><br>If it\'s not so easy to track you down because you are none of the above, then it\'s reasonable to take other steps to find out what your status is.  And it\'s in no way "homelessphobia"</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8883548">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8883548" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8883548" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8883548">Straw Man</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8883548" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8883548" class="dsq-comment-message">But why are you supposing that a background check by a shelter organization is the same as registering with proper authorities?  There is no requirement that any organization that does a back ground check share the found information with any third party.<br>By denying shelter - you are denying opportunity to have a listed address.<br>The twisted logic of impying safety by requiring background checks is the real straw man.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8883709">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8883709" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8883709" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8883709">Sweet Rose</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8883709" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8883709" class="dsq-comment-message">Of course Straw.  That’s why law enforcement supports the idea of driver\'s licenses for illegal immigrants.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8884947">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8884947" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8884947" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8884947">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8884947" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8884947" class="dsq-comment-message">that\'s not law enforcement rose, it\'s a political move, and ridiculous.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8890488">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8890488" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8890488" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8890488">gmer</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8890488" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8890488" class="dsq-comment-message">Why is that ridiculous? Yes they are illegal, but would you rather have an unlicensed driver on the road or someone who actually has a photo id to present when they are asked?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8895998">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8895998" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8895998" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8895998">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8895998" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8895998" class="dsq-comment-message">the illegal issue is ridiculous on many levels, first, they are illegal, right? So you give them a license, register them to vote, give them in-state tuition rates for our universities, give them public assistance, give them free medical via the ER\'s,  and now,  I get to choose between them driving with or without a photo? <br>I choose that they become legal, or go home.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8898888">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8898888" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8898888" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8898888">SPG</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8898888" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8898888" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow. Way off topic here and way off the truth. NO undocumented immigrants who aren\'t citizens have been allowed to vote. None. It is a federal offense and not one that is ignored. The GOP have been pushing this meme as a means to tighten up voter registration to make it difficult for any new voters to register because they know that younger people are not going to vote republican.<br>I can get a driver\'s license in Japan if I take the class and pass the test, and I don\'t even have to do it in Japanese. Otherwise I can drive there for a year or two with my WA DL and a passport. I\'d much rather have anyone who needs to drive here be able to do it legally, because we all know that if we don\'t allow it, it\'s going to happen anyway and then it\'s going to happen without a license, and by extension without insurance. Which would you rather have? People living here and driving with insurance and a license who\'ve passed the driving test, or none of that and who if they get in an accident would be far more tempted to run off because they don\'t have insurance or a license?<br>It sounds like you want to be an absolutist on the immigration question but if you get just a scratch below the surface the situation gets a lot more complicated. I\'ll agree that immigration policy as it is today is seriously flawed, but  a mass arrest and deportation of 11 million people isn\'t a realistic option.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8900269">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8900269" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8900269" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8900269">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8900269" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8900269" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks for straitening me out friend. <br>I am frustrated with how the issue is more polarizing and political than rational. <br>Especially when resources and jobs are getting tighter, we need to focus on helping the legal first.<br>imho.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8885201">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8885201" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8885201" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8885201">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8885201" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8885201" class="dsq-comment-message">they have denied themselves shelter \'straw man\', I\'d like to follow that choice to it\'s conclusion.<br>Also, it is required for most (apparently this lil\' pet project is somehow exempt), who know of a wanted individual, and shelter them, and to not report, is actionable, and illegal.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8887105">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8887105" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8887105" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8887105">Strawsy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8887105" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8887105" class="dsq-comment-message">Chopper  - don\'t be facile.<br>You want shelter organizations to do warrent checks too?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8889950">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8889950" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8889950" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8889950">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8889950" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8889950" class="dsq-comment-message">was that not clear?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8905790">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8905790" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8905790" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8905790">ethel</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8905790" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8905790" class="dsq-comment-message">I have had background checks every time I volunteered in one of my kids\' schools, for pete\'s sake.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8875780">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8875780" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8875780" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8875780">giz</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8875780" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8875780" class="dsq-comment-message">For those of you in support of allowing SHARE to move to this church without conducting Level 3 sex offender checks, please read this story which appears online at the Seattle Times:<br> <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009146625_webproposition29m.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews...</a><br> <br>The headline reads, "Level 3 Sex offender Accused of Propositioning Teens in Kirkland."  <br><br>What the article fails to report, but what is available by doing a quick check of the King County sex offender registry is that this scum, who was previously convicted of rape is registered as "HOMELESS."<br><a href="http://www.metrokc.gov/SexOffender/search_name_3.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.metrokc.gov/SexOffender/search_name_...</a><br><br><br>Do you still think it\'s a good idea that SHARE is refusing to run the checks at this church?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878234">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878234" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878234" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878234">giz</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878234" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878234" class="dsq-comment-message">Here is another article on the same Level 3 sex offender:<br><a href="http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/kir/news/44081567.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/east_king/kir/news/...</a><br><br><br>Note that after the comment was made pointing out that the Level 3 sex offender was actually last registered as "HOMELESS" the Kirkland Reporter posted that they update their story to reflect that information.  In addition, they spoke with a King County Sheriff\'s spokesperson who confirmed the information provided by saying:<br>A sex offender registry Website identifies Wagner as non-compliant and Sheriff\'s spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart confirmed Wagner is currently listed as homeless<br><br>"NON-COMPLIANT"  That means this convicted rapist, Level 3 Sex offender who registered as "HOMELESS"  in Seattle failed to check in as required.<br><br>Anyone still think SHARE should stay at this church while  being  allowed to refuse running FREE sex offender checks ?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878524">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878524" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878524" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878524">non compliant</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878524" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878524" class="dsq-comment-message">Whether or not a shelter organization runs a background check for sex offender status does not impact whether a sex offender becomes non-compliant in reporting their address.  It is not the same thing.  It is the individual sex offender that is required to report and up to law enforcement agencies to track.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8879651">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8879651" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8879651" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8879651">Armed Pacifist</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8879651" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8879651" class="dsq-comment-message">But SHARE says they can screen when they "look \'em in the eye" and that\'s all they need to be judge someone\'s character. <br><br>I mean, that\'s fool proof!</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8879808">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8879808" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8879808" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8879808">Mr. Organic</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8879808" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8879808" class="dsq-comment-message">Sounds like a bum deal to us.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8880815">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8880815" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8880815" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8880815">dummy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8880815" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8880815" class="dsq-comment-message">How will having Share conduct Level 3 sex offender check keep offenders from propositioning teens?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8881626">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8881626" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8881626" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8881626">Octo-Bum</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8881626" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8881626" class="dsq-comment-message">Screening to make sure the transients don\'t have internet access and MySpace accounts would be important too.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8882236">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8882236" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8882236" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8882236">Robert</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8882236" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8882236" class="dsq-comment-message">Never mind whether it makes sense.  This thread is just an opportunity for people who are scared of different-looking poor people to spout off.<br><br>And yes, I do live near that church.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8882477">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8882477" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8882477" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8882477">enough</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8882477" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8882477" class="dsq-comment-message">this has nothing to do with different looking poor people - unless they happen to be the ones who pee in my yard, throw their beer cans in my garden, sleep in my yard, yell at my family.  This is about too many social services being located in close proximity in a residential neighborhood.  if there is no reason for homeless people to leave my neighborhood, they wont.  we already give them a place to sleep, and food 5 days a week.  We continue to welcome the homeless from elsewhere in the state and the country - why, because we dole out the goods.  We cant keep adding to this population.  What is your limit to the amount of social services we should continue to add to our neighborhood robert?  i am done.  I didnt move to ballard 8 years ago so my children could learn how to cuss from the homeless people who mill around outside my house all day.  My kids actually enjoy being outside now that the soup kitchen has closed tues-thurs.  The scary man that yells to himself and threatens to kill the neighbors isn\'t pacing our sidewalk.  Gee, lets let these good, down on their luck folk back. I was getting a bit tired of enjoying my neighborhood again anyway.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8890664">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8890664" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8890664" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8890664">gmer</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8890664" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8890664" class="dsq-comment-message">Ha thats fucking ridiculous, too many social services? Any in ballard have been around in one form or the other for decades. I can\'t really think of any that have been "added" save one homeless shelter that according to some people is going to destroy us. Ballard is huge and keeps growing. Compare the amount of social services to other areas of seattle per capita and we aren\'t even close. This is just a bunch more NIBMY bullshit that needs stop.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8932547">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8932547" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8932547" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8932547">enough</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8932547" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8932547" class="dsq-comment-message">you obviously dont live in this neighborhood.  but thanks for your insightful commentary.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8863133">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8863133" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8863133" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8863133">blite</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8863133" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8863133" class="dsq-comment-message">My church in Chicago hosted a homeless shelter with two other neighborhood churches (all different denominations).  It was housed in one of the churches that had proper facilities for providing meals and shower as well as space for sleeping.  The ONE HUGE DIFFERENCE between our shelter and the ones existing or proposed here in Seattle is that every night 2-3 parishioners from the churches volunteered to stay the night in the shelter and provide the meal/supervise.  No neighbors complained and there weren\'t issues.  I totally agree that we are obliged to help the less fortunate, however, there are responsible ways to do just that and I think our church in Chicago met its obligations to God and its neighbors.  It took at least 3 churches combining to provide enough volunteers to supervise.  There are lots of churches in Ballard, perhaps they too can combine to provide volunteers to supervise the shelter.  That is living your faith, not just renting out your vacant space irresponsibly.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8863243">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8863243" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8863243" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8863243">Vagrant</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8863243" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8863243" class="dsq-comment-message">Agreed but remember we live on a republic, land of laws, god(s) have nothing to do with this.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8864033">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8864033" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8864033" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8864033">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8864033" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8864033" class="dsq-comment-message">There are lots of churches in OTHER neighborhoods, too.  Why aren\'t the homeless shelters going to those neighborhoods?  I\'ll tell you why: because the city has decided to make Ballard the dumping ground for all the undesirables because we put up with it.  We should stop putting up with it until other neighborhoods take their share.<br><br>How many homeless magnets (shelters, soup kitchens, food banks, etc.) does Ballard now have?  How many equivalent facilities do other neighborhoods have?  I haven\'t seen ANY in Ravenna, Magnolia, West Seatle (the mayor\'s neighborhood), etc.<br><br>Until we start seeing some sharing of the burden, I say Ballard should take NO MORE. NONE.<br><br>How about it, Seattle?  Fair is fair.  If we need to provide these facilities, they should be distributed equally among ALL the city\'s neighborhoods, rather than turning THIS neighborhood into a slum.<br><br>We should start with the mayor\'s block in West Seattle. After all, they get the best snow removal in the city...</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8866812">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8866812" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8866812" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8866812">Be Reasoned in Your Judgements</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8866812" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8866812" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://www.westseattlefoodbank.org" rel="nofollow">www.westseattlefoodbank.org</a><br>many soup kitchens there as well (use The Google)<br><br>So many commentators here are so *absolute* in their convictions yet their positions are often based on ignorance and their \'facts\' demonstrably false.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8874880">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8874880" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8874880" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8874880">ethel</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8874880" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8874880" class="dsq-comment-message">That\'s happened in Seattle. My family\'s church (in Magnolia) sent volunteers to another church that was hosting homeless folks; our family were dinner volunteers a couple of times, and others from our church did both dinner and overnight volunteering.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8861187">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8861187" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8861187" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8861187">Keep Seattle Sleazy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8861187" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8861187" class="dsq-comment-message">So let\'s follow Pastor Grimm\'s timeline:<br><br>1. Announces he\'s opening a shelter in a week, no notice to neighbors.<br>2. Announces he will meet with neighbors after uproar.<br>3. Has meeting, SHARE basically refuses to answer questions.<br>4. Announces  there will be no shelter because SHARE refuses to do  free sex offender checks to be paid  for by  neighbors.<br>5. Talks to media.<br>6. Announces through surrogate there will be a vote, but only with congregation, in secret, no neighbors allowed in, to decide whether to let SHARE come after all.<br>7. Denies what surrogates say, clams up and refuses to talk  to media OR neighbors about anything.<br><br>Are there any points I miss on the good pastor\'s  Magical Mystery Tour ? Pastor Grimm sure has a great way of communicating, no wonder his church wants to bus in strangers to fill the pews.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8848402">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8848402" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8848402" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8848402">Kindly old Norwegian Lady 82</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8848402" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8848402" class="dsq-comment-message">Now Way. <br><br>N. O. Spells No<br><br>as they used to say in the olden days.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8848708">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8848708" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8848708" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8848708">mike</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8848708" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8848708" class="dsq-comment-message">all for it, hope the congregation lives up to their ideals.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8849366">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8849366" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8849366" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8849366">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8849366" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8849366" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks Swedes, hope to hear all about it when they make their announcement.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8849427">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8849427" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8849427" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8849427">fuzzbeans</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8849427" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8849427" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m sorry, but Grumm sounds like a total creep. But at least he has God on his side.<br><br>Perhaps if they promised to provide supervision the neighbors would feel more comfortable. Supervision seems like a pretty obvious thing for the church to provide. You know, like, taking responsibility?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8849513">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8849513" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8849513" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8849513">Armed Pacifist</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8849513" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8849513" class="dsq-comment-message">Time to lawyer up.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8850846">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8850846" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8850846" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8850846">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8850846" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8850846" class="dsq-comment-message">Yep - that sure seems to be what\'s called for.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8850855">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8850855" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8850855" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8850855">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8850855" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8850855" class="dsq-comment-message">Yep - that sure seems to be what\'s called for.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8849721">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8849721" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8849721" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8849721">Shane</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8849721" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8849721" class="dsq-comment-message">I live right next to the church and think it is extremely unfair that the neighbors have no say, or get to vote. I am sure 90% of the congregation do not live within ten blocks of the church.<br><br>Perhaps I should stand outside the church with a table on the 7th and have ballots for people that live near to vote. I wonder if that will make a difference.<br><br>I also wonder if they still refuse to screen the 20 guys for sex offenders.<br><br><br>If anyone want to call the church and say what you think you should.  I live right by the church and dispite what they are saying about talking to the neighborhood, they definitely have not.<br><br>I have emailed the church and had no reply.  I will call and if I get no reply, I shall pop in there.  If I have no luck,  I will mail flyers to the surrounding neighborhood and ask them if they would like to vote, if so I will set up a table outside and give the ballot box to Steve to count.<br><br>There is a day car right next to the carpark,  wasn\'t there a law passed last week (Eric\'s law or something)  that stated a sex offender was not allowed to be housed or stay in a shelter within so many yards or a day care?  Does anyone know the exact name of the law, I know it was mentioned on King 5, and was passed to stop these kind of situations.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8862810">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8862810" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8862810" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8862810">Malcom X-Files</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8862810" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8862810" class="dsq-comment-message">Good point Shane. Where is the congregation? Isn\'t the church vacant?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8863861">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8863861" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8863861" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8863861">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8863861" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8863861" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t live that close to this church (but I think it\'s wrong to force another homeless magnet on the neighborhood and I fully support the neighbors\' efforts to block this).  Just to get a better idea what this is all about, I drove by there yesterday.  I was surprised to see people in the church.  I thought it was "vacant" (it has been described as such several times here) but there were definitely some people in the ground-floor room (visible from the street) when I drove by wednesday afternoon (6 pm).  Are they feeding homeless in there now?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878103">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878103" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878103" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878103">SPG</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878103" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878103" class="dsq-comment-message">They do other stuff in there too, like have meetings and activities for regular folks too.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8874094">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8874094" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8874094" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8874094">LBB</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8874094" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8874094" class="dsq-comment-message">The congregation is now on 85th and 24th at Our Redeemers.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8850722">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8850722" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8850722" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8850722">busdrivermike</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8850722" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8850722" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that it is time to create a congregation of neighbors, and hire a lawyer. WHEN someone has a property crime or "heaven forbid", a violent crime occur, we should then move to sue all the member of Our Redeemers who voted to allow in this criminal element.<br><br>Just because they are members of a church does not mean they cannot be held accountable in civil court. Share/Wheel can also be named in the suit, along with their leadership.<br><br>Simply put, Share/Wheel enables criminal behavior, and  the pastor at Our Redeemers has joined the gang.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8850835">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8850835" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8850835" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8850835">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8850835" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8850835" class="dsq-comment-message">Soneone said elsewhere that housing this many people (multiple family) would be a violation of the local zoning laws. <br><br>Is that true?  Does anyone know?  If so, it would seem to be a clear way to stop this.  <br><br>Are there any lawyers here who could advise on that (or are they all in Magnolia....where there are no plans to import more homeless....coincidence?  Hmmmm...)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8851076">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8851076" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8851076" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8851076">kim</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8851076" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8851076" class="dsq-comment-message">yes, aren\'t there zoning violations happening left and right here?  i didn\'t think that this part north of 65th was multi family housing.  and isn\'t a shelter some sort of a commercial venture?  i\'m sure it\'s a tax shelter for my redeemer\'s.  lawyers\'s on myballard please step forward.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8862909">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8862909" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8862909" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8862909">blite</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8862909" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8862909" class="dsq-comment-message">Most churches are not for profits and thus do not pay taxes.  It is not a commerical venture as it does not raise money.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8864376">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8864376" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8864376" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8864376">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8864376" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8864376" class="dsq-comment-message">??? of course they raise money, and have salaries to pay, and have the utilities to pay, and soon, may have hell to pay as well...</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867690">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867690" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867690" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867690">blite</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867690" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867690" class="dsq-comment-message">yes they raise money via donations to the church, hence the not for profit status.  If they raise money via a commercial (ie for profit) manner, they lose their not for profit designation and must start paying property taxes, income taxes etc.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878818">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878818" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878818" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878818">kim</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878818" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878818" class="dsq-comment-message">thanks!  that still sucks tho!</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852453">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852453" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852453" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852453">mag</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852453" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852453" class="dsq-comment-message">Hate to rain on your anti Magnolia parade but Fort Lawton is in line for transitional housing w/ homeless.  The plan is currently on hold pending resolution of litigation initiated by concerned homeowners (I think) but it\'s only a matter of time given that it\'s a Federal statute that governs what happens to former military bases that are no longer being used as such.    <a href="http://www.fortlawton.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fortlawton.com/</a>  or  <a href="http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/neighborhoods/fortlawton/brac/faqs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/neighborhoods/fortl...</a></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852896">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852896" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852896" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852896">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852896" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852896" class="dsq-comment-message">Not anti-Magnolia at all...I just know that the lawyers there have been able to fight the city, sometimes successfully.  I don\'t live in Magnolia and I think the idea of putting a homeless facility in Fort Lawton is just tragic -- then again, the city\'s brilliant laders thought that Discovery Park was  agreat place to put a sewage treatment plant, so that speaks volumes.  I wish the lawyers in Magnolia nothing but success in their efforts to keep the city from dumping the homeless in Fort Lawton.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852318">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852318" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852318" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852318">Irritated</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852318" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852318" class="dsq-comment-message">sad to say, but maybe someone should call Tim Eyman and suggest he create an initiative that gives neighbors a say in these kinds of matters.  seems unfair that a church can make a decision that has such impact on the neighborhood.  our redeemers on 85th and 24th hosted a tent city without any communication with neighbors.  i heard about it on the news and was disgusted when the church said they discussed this with neighbors.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852345">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852345" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852345" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852345">Irritated</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852345" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852345" class="dsq-comment-message">I have an alternative - instead of using this church, how about members of this congregation who actually want to help these homeless people each "adopt" one and take them home with THEM instead of deciding to house them near MY home.<br><br>I\'m going to find out where these people live, buy tents and find homeless people to go camp in their yard.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852904">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852904" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852904" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852904">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852904" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852904" class="dsq-comment-message">Now THIS is the best idea I\'ve heard all day.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852372">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852372" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852372" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852372">Ballardmom</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852372" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852372" class="dsq-comment-message">A lot of neighbors have been meeting to discuss their concerns.  The zoning laws don\'t apply because it is church property and a church has a right to do whatever it needs to in its mission to help the homeless.<br><br>I have no idea why SHARE refuses background checks to weed out sex offenders.  Nieghbors have offered to pay out of their own pockets and even volunteer to do the background checks themselves and SHARE still refuses.  In my opinion they are so wrapped up in their political agenda they don\'t care who they could potentially hurt by helping anyone who is homeless - whether they are a criminal or not.  That kind of myopic self-centered agenda is not going to help anyone.<br><br>I thought there was a law that said that sex offenders could not live within a certain distance of schools, daycares and parks.  Is there a loophole so that homeless sex offenders can then stay a shelter even if it is two blocks from a park, across the street from a daycare and a block from a gradeschool?  That is a loophole that needs to be closed.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8864455">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8864455" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8864455" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8864455">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8864455" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8864455" class="dsq-comment-message">My understanding, and my desire, is to require that they screen for sex offenders, and check for any warrants. I don\'t want this to be a haven for criminals of any kind.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878514">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878514" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878514" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878514">SPG</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878514" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878514" class="dsq-comment-message">The reasoning, (and I\'m not defending it, just explaining it) is that SHARE feels that a background check is the equivalent of coloring all homeless as criminals. <br>Since SHARE is a homeless advocacy group they would naturally oppose this just as the NAACP would have opposed background checks for black people moving into a neighborhood a century ago. The only problem with this reasoning is that there are a high percentage of homeless people with warrants and criminal backgrounds of varying degrees. That\'s not to say that all 20 of the homeless men would be criminals, or even be prone to committing crimes, but with the recent uptick in crime and influx of transients it\'s a tough sell for SHARE in Ballard right now.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878977">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878977" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878977" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878977">kim</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878977" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878977" class="dsq-comment-message">if the homeless have something to hide, then they probably won\'t want to be screened.  i\'m sure there are plenty of upstanding homeless people out there and this would in no way violate there civil rights since they\'ve done nothing wrong.  i think that generally the neighborhood is not going to shun people for criminal violations they themselves committed but were never caught.  ballard seems far brighter than that.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8880810">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8880810" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8880810" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8880810">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8880810" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8880810" class="dsq-comment-message">The best way to not have them all colored as criminals, is to accept the checks, then they won\'t have to worry about being so judged, rightly or wrongly.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852518">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852518" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852518" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-8852518" href="http://millerparkseattle.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Andrew Taylor</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852518" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852518" class="dsq-comment-message">Tent City has been in the parking lot of St. Joseph\'s Church/School at 19th & Aloha on Capitol Hill a couple of times in the last few years. First time there was extensive outreach: flyers & meetings & an ice-cream social with the residents. Second time there was much less outreach. <br><br>Both times it was a NON-EVENT: no problems, no hangers-out, no crime, no issues. Just less trash on the streets: their neighborhood patrols pick it up.<br><br>Old blog posts about it: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cv54h8" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cv54h8</a><br><br>Tent City has just left Capitol Hill (also a non-event: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cuxarc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cuxarc</a> ) and has returned to 22nd & Cherry, where it\'s also been before, also without problem (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/cyjfuq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cyjfuq</a>).<br><br>I strongly encourage the church to be open about its plans, but point out to the neighborhood that Tent City\'s record speaks for itself.<br><br>All the best,<br>Andrew</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8860660">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8860660" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8860660" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8860660">Keep Seattle Sleazy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8860660" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8860660" class="dsq-comment-message">Tent City wouldn\'t have an impact on capital hill? That\'s hardly a surprise. In fact,  I imagine a tent city would be an improvement in  some parts of Cap Hill. And wow, now it\'s in the CD and no impact. What, they don\'t notice the vagrants over the sound of gang gun fire?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867581">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867581" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867581" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867581">Jerry</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867581" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867581" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah, I\'ve seen somre gross exagerations, but man.  You go all the way don\'t ya.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8874642">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8874642" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8874642" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8874642">ethel</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8874642" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8874642" class="dsq-comment-message">Have you seen the area of Capitol Hill around St. Joseph\'s? Huge old houses. Very, very wealthy neighbors. Not to mention that there is a big old Catholic *school* right there.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8852918">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8852918" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8852918" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8852918">nwcitizen</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8852918" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8852918" class="dsq-comment-message">Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 (RLUIPA)<br><br>More info at:  becketfund (dot) org, search on "Property Rights"</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8854315">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8854315" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8854315" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8854315">buzzy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8854315" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8854315" class="dsq-comment-message">Just how much money is this church expecting to get in return for selling out the neighborhood.    Do they really think it will be worth it?   Before this vote is taken I sure hope someone can talk to the congregation about what  the neighbors are feeling about this decision.  I have been in too many  situation at clubs where the leaders [pastor] leads the way and the vote shows it.  Whatever the head honchos want, they seem  to get.  Among my friends, they all attend churches out of the areas from where they live.  One lives in Queen Anne and goes to church in North Shoreline.  So this is probaby taken place at this chuch to.  They don\'t realize what is going on in ballard.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8854484">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8854484" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8854484" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8854484">Furious George</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8854484" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8854484" class="dsq-comment-message">So... they\'re emphatically not going to engage in conversation with "the media"... but they are "in the midst of a conversation" with neighbors?  Yeah.  Sure they are.<br><br>By the way, the city has given this a green-light, so we\'re now pretty much SOL.<br><br>Unless, of course, someone manages to catch a registered sex offender on film at the shelter.  I don\'t mean that flippantly either: If the neighborhood wants this shut down, doing so the hard way is the only remaining option.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8860418">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8860418" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8860418" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8860418">TTTCOTTH</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8860418" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8860418" class="dsq-comment-message">Ahhhhhhhh<br><br><br>The Ballard scum fest continues.............</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8864808">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8864808" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8864808" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8864808">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8864808" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8864808" class="dsq-comment-message">Picture if you will, a giant toilet seat, hovering still in the air as if by some anti- gravity miracle at work. It stays over Ballard, looming menacingly, available at the ready for the powers that be to use with impunity. sigh.<br><br>Please leave the lid up, in case it\'s a nice day...</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8864881">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8864881" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8864881" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8864881">jm</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8864881" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8864881" class="dsq-comment-message">The Phinney Ridge Neighborhood Association runs a soup kitchen two days a week at St. Johns United Lutheran Church on Phinney Ave. N. This has brought a lot of people from outside the neighborhood for the dinners. Some folks linger and are living in vehicles near the church and in the WPZ park. In fact, one woman has been living in the bus shelter for about 6 months. This is right across the street from the main entrance to the Woodland Park Zoo. The WPZ is a tourist attraction for the city. I’d guess the sight of a hunched over mummy sleeping in the bus shelter frightens children coming to the Zoo.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8865538">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8865538" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8865538" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8865538">NoMore$$$$</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8865538" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8865538" class="dsq-comment-message">Requiring  background checks in exchange for food and shelter is only fair to the community that provides it.  Putting the " rights " of the homeless ahead of the safety of the residents of Ballard, is misguided.  Not to get into a what if battle, but what if just one person in our neighborhood falls victim because we didn\'t know a predator was here?  Can we sue SHARE? the Church?  Not one dime to any church or homeless advocate group if this is allowed without a background check for shelter users.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8866765">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8866765" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8866765" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8866765">giz</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8866765" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8866765" class="dsq-comment-message">Just to recap, SHARE currently runs outstanding warrant and sex offender checks at their Tent City 4 locations on the Eastside.  They\'ve been doing this since 2004.  The checks are run for FREE for SHARE by King County.<br><br>Please view the current permit for Tent City 4 (which is now in Redmond at St. Jude\'s) to see that the requirement for warrant/sex offender checks is part of the permit.<br><br>That permit can be viewed here:<br><a href="http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/pdfs/L09006" rel="nofollow">http://www.redmond.gov/cityservices/pdfs/L09006</a>...<br><br>In addition, ask yourselves why it is that representatives from SHARE stood up before this community and knowingly lied when they said they were unable to run sex offender checks because of the cost involved?  <br><br>Sadly I\'m guessing that the majority of the members of the church that will be voting on this issue live nowhere near the location and are therefore not impacted by the decision that they will make.<br><br>The neighbors should have a voice and representation.  If that means standing out in front of that church on the evening they will take the vote, then so be it.  Maybe passing out flyers with factual information regarding SHARE and pointing to the fact that they are running checks in Redmond and that this community deserves equal treatment.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867494">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867494" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867494" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867494">Amused</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867494" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867494" class="dsq-comment-message">ROFLMAO <br>Karma is a bitch. I just wish it was an annex of DESC coming to Ballard instead of a well run sober shelter.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867724">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867724" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867724" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867724">Jerry</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867724" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867724" class="dsq-comment-message">So you\'ll be taking your kids to the playground across the street every day?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8869550">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8869550" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8869550" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8869550">fonzi</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8869550" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8869550" class="dsq-comment-message">There is a play ground across the street?<br>I thought it was more like 3 blocks away.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8875182">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8875182" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8875182" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8875182">LBB</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8875182" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8875182" class="dsq-comment-message">it\'s one and 1/2 blocks away (or one and 1/4 if you want to split hairs)</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8868300">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8868300" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8868300" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8868300">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8868300" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8868300" class="dsq-comment-message">amused...Karma...calling you out...</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867649">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867649" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867649" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867649">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867649" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867649" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'d like to point out again, that they have lied to the residents of Ballard repeatedly.<br>Especially with regard to criminal background checks. Also, the media in this town rolling over themselves to disseminate such lies for them. Shameful, Shameful.<br>Only the Geeky Swedes have avoided being their pawns, and I\'m eternally grateful to them for that. Keep up the good work!</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8867506">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8867506" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8867506" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8867506">Vagrant</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8867506" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8867506" class="dsq-comment-message">Let\'s be honest, a shelter lowers the value of our homes. We have a right to defend outsiders taking some of that value away. Period. How do u think s**tty neighborhoods get s**tty? By people protecting them?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8869603">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8869603" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8869603" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8869603">fonzi</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8869603" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8869603" class="dsq-comment-message">How does a shelter lower the value of your home any more than any other crappy outcome of this financial crisis?<br>What outsider is taking anything from you?<br>Geeez</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8873067">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8873067" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8873067" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8873067">jds</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8873067" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8873067" class="dsq-comment-message">Because, like it or not, right or wrong, a lot of people do not want to live in close proximity to a shelter.  This lowers demand on those homes nearby.  Less demand == decreased value.  Is that complicated?<br><br>And it\'s not about whether it lowers it more than anything else in this economy.  Look at it objectively from the viewpoint of those affected.  Are you in close proximity to the church?  If yes then good for you before putting the needs of others before the value of your home.  If not, you need to get off your righteous soap box.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8868095">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8868095" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8868095" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8868095">Mr. B</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8868095" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8868095" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'d say theres a lot of emotions running around.  While I do support the sex offender checks, I think gathering the villagers with lawyers and torches is a bit much right now.  I\'d wait to hear what Pastor Grimm has to say when he\'s ready.  If the congregation comes back with a no, well, seems like you\'ll have worried and payed a bunch of lawyers for nothing.  I\'m sure they\'ll weigh all the concerns and options before rendering a decision.<br><br>If it\'s a yes, and SHARE moves in with no checks, well, then by all means form a committee, talk to them, get a lawyer if need be.  Plus I\'m betting it will take more than a night if a decision is announced for SHARE to move in, so plenty of time to draft up something.<br><br>Though truth be told this is an odd development, I thought SHARE said they didn\'t want to live here.  That letter they sent, the "Unamerican" letter" pretty much said they were moving on.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8870677">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8870677" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8870677" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8870677">Ballard_Sucks_Now</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8870677" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8870677" class="dsq-comment-message">Not lawyers and torches.<br><br>PITCHFORKS and torches.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871992">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871992" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871992" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871992">Mr. B</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871992" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871992" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, good for you.  You\'ve made such a great point.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8868685">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8868685" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8868685" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8868685">BallardDINK</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8868685" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8868685" class="dsq-comment-message">i believe even churches are subject to anti-discrimination laws. Meaning, anyone and everyone must be allowed to join.<br><br>So, if the vote is open only to the congregation, why don\'t we all join that congregation--and vote?<br><br>I\'m serious. Heck, I was even baptized Lutheran. When does this vote take place, and where will it be held?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8869912">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8869912" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8869912" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8869912">Screwtape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8869912" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8869912" class="dsq-comment-message">What a good idea - at a time when church congregations are shrinking everywhere.<br> And at a time where new non-profits are created every day and americans are making more charitable donations than ever while the amount of donations going to traditional "charities" (those that feed the hungry, house the homeless and care for the sick) is dropping precipitiously.<br>Go ahead - join your neighborhood church - get involved in the work of reaching out to others - it can\'t be a bad thing can it?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871096">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871096" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871096" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871096">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871096" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871096" class="dsq-comment-message">(loved the screwtape letters, C.S. Lewis)<br>It\'s a bad thing, if it\'s a bad church.<br>Dink, they said it would take place on the 7th of May. They didn\'t give out a time.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871667">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871667" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871667" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871667">Screwtape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871667" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871667" class="dsq-comment-message">I know what you mean  - You gotta watch those Lutherans.</div>\
	 </div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8872196">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8872196" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8872196" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8872196">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8872196" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8872196" class="dsq-comment-message">That\'s not what I meant, there are simply bad churches, across the board, I know first hand. Unfortunately...there are wolves in sheep\'s clothing.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8875289">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8875289" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8875289" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8875289">LBB</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8875289" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8875289" class="dsq-comment-message">You can disagree with Pastor Grumm but I wouldn\'t write off the whole church as "bad".</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8875672">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8875672" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8875672" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8875672">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8875672" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8875672" class="dsq-comment-message">I didn\'t, I don\'t know that it is.<br>But, I do know that they exist.<br>"you shall know them by their fruit"<br>You can say anything you\'d like, it\'s what you do that matters.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8870742">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8870742" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8870742" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8870742">MT Girl</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8870742" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8870742" class="dsq-comment-message">Does anyone know what time the secret vote is taking place on the 7th? If so, then all who are concerened should be outside that church, signs in hand and stage a peaceful protest. Let the congregation know how the people who live here feel. Call the media to attend and get this in the spotlight. <br><br>I for one have no issue with groups making an effort to get people off the street, but it has to be done responsibly. I too was raised Lutheran and what that taught me was a sense of service to my community, this means helping out when you can and being responsible for the community you live in. Why is the church so willing to house these people, but not willing to provide support? Pastor Grumm does not sound like the kind of Lutheran that I would like to know, does he not remember that he is supposed to "Love Thy Neighbor"?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871117">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871117" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871117" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871117">jm</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871117" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871117" class="dsq-comment-message">Does this congregation ever meet at the church? I thought the building was vacant and not used for services.<br><br>God bless America</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871749">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871749" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871749" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871749">Screwtape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871749" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871749" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah!  Why aren\'t they like some of those other Shelters that will make folks sit through a service before they can stay the night or have a meal!<br>Why don\'t they make all their congregants stay the night to make sure the rest of us are safe?  So much for love thy neighbor Huh?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871297">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871297" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871297" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871297">Shane Dillon</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871297" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871297" class="dsq-comment-message">I sent an email to the office of Our Redeemers and to Steve Grumm last night expressing that being a close neighbor could I have a moment just to talk to him about my concerns.<br><br>I have yet to get a reply.<br><br>I hope they do honor their claim that they are speaking to the neighbors.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8871915">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8871915" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8871915" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8871915">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8871915" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8871915" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks Shane, let us know how it goes...<br>I\'d also add, the date for the vote is the 7th, but no time or location was provided, it could be anywhere, everywhere, like individual bible studies, e-mails, etc.<br>He has spoken with the neighbors, and the media, but that phase may be over, as he said, he won\'t have anything to say until he has something to say.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8875356">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8875356" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8875356" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8875356">LBB</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8875356" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8875356" class="dsq-comment-message">I sent an email with a bullet list of questions about the shelter before the initial meeting (there wasn\'t a lot of info out at the time-didn\'t get a flyer) and never got a response.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8883435">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8883435" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8883435" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8883435">screwTape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8883435" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8883435" class="dsq-comment-message">so you expected a point by point response?<br>Did you attend the meeting?<br>did you ask those bulleted questions in the presence of others?</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8884403">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8884403" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8884403" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8884403">LBB</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8884403" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8884403" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes<br>Yes<br>Yes</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8872628">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8872628" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8872628" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8872628">BallardDINK</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8872628" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8872628" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m still confused by the "vacant" status of this church. Is it just an empty piece of (tax-free) property, that the church intends to rent out to SHARE as a sort of storage unit for homeless? That strikes me as being against the spirit, if not the letter, of the laws regarding church property and tax-free status.<br><br>Also: where does the active congregation of this pastor\'s church meet on Sunday? Like I said, I was raised Lutheran--I\'m honestly a fan of Lutherans, though I\'m more of a Quaker these days--and would be up for participating in a church service this weekend.</div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8872798">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8872798" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8872798" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8872798">Screwtape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8872798" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8872798" class="dsq-comment-message">The congregation meets at Our Redeemers - are you that new to the neighborhood - or that oblivous?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8872934">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8872934" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8872934" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8872934">Screwtape</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8872934" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8872934" class="dsq-comment-message">Just to bring you up do date..... a while ago both congregations merged...was in all the papers.....had a public procession from one place to the other.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8877453">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8877453" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8877453" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8877453">blite</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8877453" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8877453" class="dsq-comment-message">I believe they are allowed to rent to other not for profits and still maintain their not for profit status.  But they wouldn\'t be able to rent to  someone for general commerce, ie for profit retail, restaurant etc, with out jeopardizing their tax free status.  I assume SHARE is a not for profit?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8874309">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8874309" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8874309" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8874309">Bernard Geotz</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8874309" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8874309" class="dsq-comment-message">Is there some way to declare a bum free zone?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8878993">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8878993" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8878993" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8878993">silence.kit</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8878993" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8878993" class="dsq-comment-message">Is that even legal?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8874569">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8874569" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8874569" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8874569">Mr. Organic</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8874569" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8874569" class="dsq-comment-message">The church building should be turned into a folk music fern bar and offer music lessons, during the day, to the barefoot children of Ballard.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8882180">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8882180" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8882180" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8882180">Robert</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8882180" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8882180" class="dsq-comment-message">Ah, liberal Ballard.<br><br>Is Ballard really as nasty as everyone sounds in these comments, or is it just that the more bad-tempered and intolerant residents show up disproportionately when there is an opportunity to bash the homeless?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8883674">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8883674" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8883674" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8883674">Sweet Rose</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8883674" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8883674" class="dsq-comment-message">Well Robert Seattle/Ballard in particular has always been a pseudo green pseudo liberal poster child.   I do think however that the climate of the whole country is disintegrating into nastiness, fear, hate and jealousy.    The Ugly American has gotten uglier.  <br><br>Funny thing I heard today that brings it all home.  Barbie is 50 this year.  She used to be a doctor now she has a tramp stamp.   What does that say about American consumers and the society we live in today?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8893848">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8893848" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8893848" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8893848">Keep Seattle Sleazy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8893848" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8893848" class="dsq-comment-message">Naaaa, we\'re  just trying to protect the values of our homes.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8884554">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8884554" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8884554" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8884554">Bummed out</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8884554" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8884554" class="dsq-comment-message">The building should be used as a church and not a motel.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8886630">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8886630" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8886630" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8886630">Every Man Has A Story</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8886630" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8886630" class="dsq-comment-message">One day this week, while sipping a latte outside of one of my favorite Ballard coffee shops, I watched a man search a curbside trash can in front of me.  Unsuccessful in his search, he sat down on a bench beside me.   I\'ve been working on being more tolerant of all people, so I struck up a conversation with him.  I wanted to know his story.  He told me that he was a writer.   I was eager to learn more about his writing, but two of his buddies showed up.   They all decided to have a smoke.  So here I sat sipping my latte with three homeless guys smoking.  It didn\'t take long for an employee to come out and shoo the smokers away.  I went inside to get a refill.<br><br>When I returned, my writer friend was still outside.  I asked him to share his writing with me. He opened his backpack and retrieved a folder.  He pulled a faded and weathered certificate from the folder and explained to me that he writes numbers.   A matter of fact, he\'s the only man in the world, who\'s written a million numbers out by hand.   He asked me if I would buy a certificate with one of his million numbers written on it.  He was only asking for two dollars, but I declined.  However, I did get him a cup of coffee.  While drinking his coffee, he told me part of his story.  Years ago he was a fisherman based out of Ballard, but he left the trade after losing many of his friends at sea.  He returned to Utah where he was raised.  While in Utah, he decided he wanted to do something that no one had ever done before.  He decided to write a million numbers by hand.   At first, I didn\'t believe this far-fetched tale.  However, he decided to give me one of his numbers.  I picked the year I was born, 1962.   Very carefully, like an author signing a book, he wrote the number o19620.   I took my certificate and returned home. The first thing I did when I got in the house was Goggle this man\'s name in-conjunction with the state of Utah and the task of writing one million numbers by hand.  Lo and behold, I found a link to this man, Kris Wilson.   Kris does indeed have a really interesting story to tell.  I hope to see him again soon.  Kris\' goal is to get his work listed in Guinnes World Records.  I hope Kris meets his goal.   I wish there was an easy answer to the issues we\'re faced with in Ballard.  I personally am not in favor of a tent city and I strongly oppose car camping on our streets.  However, after my encounter with Kris, I\'ll think twice before making up my own story about homeless people.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8890055" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8890055" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8890055">chopper_74</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8890055" class="dsq-comment-message">Kris needs to stop hanging out in Ballard, drinking with his pals on the metro benches from here to the u-dist. I met him several days ago, and yes, four years writing from one to one million is, well, one in a million. I was impressed when I saw the article. I\'m not impressed that he\'s lost his way to Guinnes...does he need a map?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8893942" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8893942" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8893942">Keep Seattle Sleazy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8893942" class="dsq-comment-message">Great story  but that doesn\'t explain why he can\'t find work to support himself. plenty of struggling writers do, they\'re called \'waiters\'.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8898355" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8898355" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8898355">Bum Steer</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8898355" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8898355" class="dsq-comment-message">With all the newspapers going under, there  will be even more writers on the street.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8956661" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8956661" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8956661">Free Ballard again</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8956661" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8956661" class="dsq-comment-message">I met that guy too. He told me the story and showed me an article. Now I cant get rid of him. Every time he sees me in a public place he sits down with me, even if I am out with friends. Its very embarrassing</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8887038" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8887038" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8887038">3rd_G_Ballard_native</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8887038" class="dsq-comment-message">Please don\'t write off the whole churh of ORLC as bad.  There are many of us members that do not support how this is being handled even if we see a need to help the less fortunate. Steve is a nice guy and only means well, but at times like this, he clearly needs to listen better.   I am not very active and only attend rarely, but if I can find out when this vote is, I will be there to vote my "No".  I can not promise that the vote will result in a "No" but at least I think it is clear that the voices and concerns of the neighborhood are not being heard.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8890072" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8890072" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8890072">chopper_74</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8890072" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8890072" class="dsq-comment-message">Thank you 3_G. I mean no harm to your flock, honestly, God bless.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8896065" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8896065" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8896065">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8896065" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8896065" class="dsq-comment-message">I believe the people at the church all have their hearts in the right place, and that Steve Grumm probably is an alright guy.  But I have sent him several emails now with out getting a single reply back.  If you see him soon 3rd G Ballard native,  please tell him to reply to my email and pop round my house for a coffee to meet my family and hear my concerns.<br><br><br>Kindest Regards<br>Shane</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8900000" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8900000" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8900000">scrWtape</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8900000" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8900000" class="dsq-comment-message">Dear Shane,<br>Have you been part of a faith community before?<br>Have you tried phoning the office?<br>Have you tried introducing yourself after a service?<br>I am glad that you have such high expectations of a pastor of a local congregation.<br>But I would assume that someone such as you would make less of a passive effort to shame this man.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8902565" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8902565" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8902565">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8902565" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8902565" class="dsq-comment-message">I am actually a member of a church in shoreline (Shoreline Tabernacle) and I have introduced myself to Steve, and last year I tried to talk to him about the Tent City when it was there.  Infact I reported to him the two instances where two of the inhabitants of tent city had to be removed from drunk Olympic Manor playground/park by the police.<br><br>Many people go to churches some distance from where they live for a number of reasons (they may like the Pastor, may have been going to that church for years etc.) but I would never vote at my church in Shoreline for something that would affect where I do not reside.<br><br>Feel free to call the church there if you don\'t believe that I am a member.<br><br>All Steve had to do was send me a reply, either naming a time when we could meet, or even politely declining.  Ignoring me is rude.<br><br>Shane</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8904490" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8904490" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8904490">giz</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8904490" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8904490" class="dsq-comment-message">The common thread here is church leaders that decide to bring this to a community, but refuse to give the community a voice (and a vote) when the opionion is different than theirs.<br>It is the height of arrogance to shut down reasonable discussions voicing legitimate concerns.  Ignoring the neighbors simply heightens the issue and only further divides the church from the community.<br>It is not unreasonable to require SHARE to run sex offender checks in exchange for space when they have already been doing such checks for free through King County Sheriff\'s  (plus outstanding warrants) at their Tent City 4 locations on the Eastside.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8905621" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8905621" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8905621">scrWtape</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8905621" class="dsq-comment-message">.....it is easy to kvetch about being treated rudely.... and not being listened to and the height of arrogance and all that in leiu of  reasoned discussions.  Honestly..... I don\'t beleive that you all have tried reasoned discussion.   I think that you keep on changing your goals of what is important to ensure safety to the community.   You like to be outraged over the injustice of the world.   Poor babies.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8906136">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8906136" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8906136" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8906136">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8906136" class="dsq-comment-message">Firstly, there has been no discussion.  Any the goals have never changed from day one, it has always been that the vast majority of neighbors do not want registered sex offenders housed near them.  It has never been a mission against homeless people, but simply against sex offenders.<br><br>Please do not say that I am arrogant, unreasonable, or have changed my goals.  To be fair, the church has changed their goals (you did ask for sex offender checks but Share refused!) and have not had discussions at all with neighbors.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8907950" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8907950" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8907950">scrWtape</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8907950" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8907950" class="dsq-comment-message">Exactly - you have never approached anyone in that church community or at Share in the spirit of discussion.  It is very clear that you are scared.   You want a shelter organization to somehow enforce the requirements that individuals convicted of level 3 sex offences register their addresses.  You think that somehow if the shelter does this screening you will be safe.  Geez - if you had been out and discussing and church going and talking and working to keep the neighborhood safe we wouldn\'t be here.  Now that homelessness has risen to the point where you have noticed we are all supposed to jump and respond to your fears.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8908197" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8908197" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8908197">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8908197" class="dsq-comment-message">I am not even going to try and respond because your comments make no sense.  Share do screen at several shelters for sex offenders.  If a registered offender rented a room and moved next door to me I couldn\'t stop it, but he would have to register and I would know he is there.  Many of us are simply asking that the same rules follow people staying at the shelter that would be the same rules if they were to rent accomodation.  We are not asking for anything else.<br><br>Why does Steve Grumm say so many times he has spoken to the neighbors when he hasn\'t?  It makes no sense.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8908534">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8908534" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8908534" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8908534">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8908534" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8908534" class="dsq-comment-message">I have just called the church and spoken to a very nice lady about speaking to Steve Grumm about the shelter.  She has promised she will get him to call me in order to arrange to chat.<br><br>Hopefully he will call back so I can voice my concerns to him and leave it at that.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-8908935">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8908935" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8908935" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8908935">scrEwtape</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8908935" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8908935" class="dsq-comment-message">poor Shane -  many things in this world are beyond sense.  If you rented a room you would be required to register - it is the responsibility of the individual and law enforcement.   It is not the responsibility of landlords or shelter organizations to do the work of law enforcement or probation officers.  Even if some landlords do criminal background checks - most do financial background checks.<br>And how does any of this make you safer or keep responsibility on individuals who have offended.<br>What makes no sense is that you spend your time here harping on a pastor and congregation and an organization that has been around for a long time.  <br>What value are you bringing to the conversation?  Did you just wake up and realize that work needs to be done?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8910518" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8910518" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8910518">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8910518" class="dsq-comment-message">Ok.<br><br>I just had a long conversation with Steve Grumm and he was VERY helpful. <br><br>He basically had said what has been going on, and stated that he had talked exclusively with Share, and is going to issue a statement soon about everything after the \'vote\'.  He did say that many of his congregation have reservations about the shelter so there is a chance it may not happen.<br><br>He is very concerned about the neighborhood, and is very serious about the possibility of sex offenders causing chaos in the community.  He said he has looked at the 20 that would be housed, and when I asked if ANY of them were sex offenders he said \'No\'.<br><br>He put my mind at rest.<br><br>I told him he needs to talk to the community as he talked to me, and he agreed.<br><br>I just received this letter from Dawn Lawsen from WA Assoc. of Police and Sheriff\'s about the law in these situations and this is what she said :-<br><br>"There are some specifically identified registered sex offenders that have residence restrictions, but it is not a general rule.  The practice does, however, put the church at risk for liability suits.  In addition, the parents will need to be made aware of the situation through notification flyers, especially for Levels II and III.    I am sure that would result in the loss of business to the child care center. <br><br>However, the risk is reduced if the shelter is only open when the child care center is closed.  <br><br>It sounds like meetings and discussions should be held with stakeholders.  The community sexual assault program might also be helpful in providing information about keeping children safe."<br><br>Steve said the inhabitants of the proposed shelter are not allowed anywhere near (whatever that means) the shelter outside of the hours it is run (7pm to 7am).<br><br>Actually Steve is an alright guy when you talk to him.<br><br>I urge people to please call him on the number listed for Our Redeemers as I did.<br><br>Kind Regards<br><br>Shane</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8912487" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8912487" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8912487">Tired Dog</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8912487" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8912487" class="dsq-comment-message">I still find this response from Pastor Steve totally unacceptable for two reasons.<br><br>1. The 20 men staying at the shelter could change every night. Unless they are screening for sex offenders they will not know when one is there.<br><br>2. What does "he has looked at the 20" mean? Did he check their identifications against the state\'s record of sex offenders? This sounds like SHARE\'s policy of "looking them in the eye" to figure out if they are sex offenders. Far too often a person who looks fine is actually very dangerous.<br><br>The stakeholders of the church need to be fully apprised of the risks they are subjecting their church and the community to by not doing this most basic check.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8912732" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8912732" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8912732">Shane Dillon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8912732" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8912732" class="dsq-comment-message">Give Steve Grumm a call and ask him.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8912958" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8912958" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8912958">vlad the validifier</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8912958" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8912958" class="dsq-comment-message">R u validated now?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8914271" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8914271" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8914271">chopper_74</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8914271" class="dsq-comment-message">scrEwtape<br>We have been out discussing, watching, listening, pointing out the lies, working to keep this neighborhood safe.<br>And we are still here where we are now...<br>where have you been?<br>Show up now, and attack the people with \'skin\' in this game...bad form. You have no stake here.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8897423" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8897423" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8897423">Neighbor</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8897423" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8897423" class="dsq-comment-message">Talk to your pastor! His communication on this whole issue has been terrible and now he\'s being like SHARE, going totally secret and refusing to listen to anyone.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8906572" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8906572" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8906572">Shane Dillon</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8906572" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8906572" class="dsq-comment-message">This letter was posted by someone (not me) on BallardNewsTribunes website.<br><br><a href="http://www.ballardnewstribune.com/2009/04/29/letters-editor/shelter-vote-shows-disdain-neighbors" rel="nofollow">http://www.ballardnewstribune.com/2009/04/29/le...</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8911442" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8911442" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8911442">Bum Crisis 2009</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8911442" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8911442" class="dsq-comment-message">How would this arrangement pass the zoning for that block? It sounds like a motel business in a residential neighborhood. Some of the homeless are totally nuts and hard to deal with.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8912769" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8912769" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8912769">darnative</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8912769" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8912769" class="dsq-comment-message">I believe I read somewhere in all the endless blogs about this shelter that SHARE made a statement they were willing to do a trial-period of I think a few weeks, saying they would leave within 24 hours if there are any problems.<br>If they manage to get in without the background checks, perhaps the neighbors in the immediate area can get an agreement signed by SHARE and Our Redeemers based on this? At least there would be something that could legally get them out should any problems occur. Just a thought...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8913099" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8913099" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8913099">chopper_74</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8913099" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8913099" class="dsq-comment-message">ok, these are the same folks that had to be forcibly removed from Nicklesville?<br>I believe it took a bit longer than twenty four hours.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8913448" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8913448">giz</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8913448" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8913448" class="dsq-comment-message">Beware of such an offer.  Once they are in, they won\'t leave and their word in meaningless.  Remember, these are the same people that told you they were unable to do sex offender checks because of the cost involved, when the knew King County was doing them for free at their Tent City 4 location for the past 5 yrs. <br> When issues have come up in other communities, they skirt around it by saying that they can\'t control what their residents do outside the shelter.  <br>So basically if the crimes of their residents take place anywhere outside of Calgary, they are not responsible.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8914134">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8914134" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8914134" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8914134">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8914134" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8914134" class="dsq-comment-message">So, crazy question. Will their presence from 7am to 7pm be more of the drinking on metro stops crowd? Bergen Park? I know that I\'d read that they couldn\'t be within a couple blocks of the shelter during those hours.<br>I know, they said, most will be at work...for what that\'s worth...</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8916509">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8916509" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8916509" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8916509">Squint Eastwood</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8916509" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8916509" class="dsq-comment-message">I was in 7-11 today when one of the homeless started ranting at the lady behind the counter. He called her a bunch of names and said that he owned the store and she was fired. They chased him out so he torment the neighborhood. He\'s a raving nutcase.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8922026">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8922026" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8922026" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8922026">chopper_74</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8922026" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8922026" class="dsq-comment-message">some description of the individual would be most helpful...</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8930137">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8930137" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8930137" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8930137">Tired Dog</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8930137" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8930137" class="dsq-comment-message">If any kind of assault does occur, SHARE\'s promise to leave within 24 hours will be completely worthless to the church and the neighborhood. The church will face a massive lawsuit and could lose a huge amount in legal expenses. SHARE has very little in assets so it has almost nothing to lose in a lawsuit. They will conveniently walk away from the church and the neigborhood.<br><br>SHARE seems particularly adept at finding good-hearted people, then feeding them bogus assurances and promises. When things go badly, the good-hearted people are left with the mess. If you want a preview of how SHARE will respond if things go badly, take a look at the letter SHARE wrote to the Ballard News Tribune. In it they write that if they cannot move into Ballard Calvary Lutheran, they will find a church that "who walks their talk". Obviously, they are implying that Our Redeemer\'s is a church that does not walk their talk.<br><br>The shelter has not even opened and yet SHARE is already publicly questioning Our Redeemer\'s integrity. Is that really the type of organization you would want to tie your legal fortunes to?</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8930539">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8930539" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8930539" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8930539">Tired Dog</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8930539" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8930539" class="dsq-comment-message">How about a review of the lies from Pastor Steve and SHARE:<br><br>Lie #1 - In the original letter to the neighborhood, we were assured that background checks and sexual offender checks would be done on all participants of the shelter. Then, Pastor Steve backtracked and said he misunderstood SHARE about the checks. <br><br>Lie #2 - SHARE says it doesn\'t do background or sexual offender checks at any of its shelters. Then, we discover that they have agreed to checks at shelters on the eastside.<br><br>Lie #3 - SHARE says they couldn\'t possibly do sexual offender checks because it would be too expensive and time-consuming. Then, neighbors volunteer to do the checks for free. SHARE has no reasonable response so they start complaining that these checks are an insult.<br><br>Lie #4 - Pastor Steve says he will not open the shelter without an agreement from SHARE to do sexual offender checks. Then, Pastor Steve changes his mind and decides he and SHARE can tell who is a sex offender by looking at them.<br><br>Lie #5 - SHARE tells Pastor Steve that sexual offender checks are unnecessary because parole officers will inform SHARE if a sex offender is staying at their shelter. Unfortunately for SHARE, King County Sexual Offender Unit delivers the truth and tells a neighbor that the system does not work that way at all.<br><br>I am sure there are more lies, but these the ones that come to mind and make it very hard to believe the shelter is going to be run in an honest way.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8932209">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8932209" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8932209" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8932209">giz</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8932209" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8932209" class="dsq-comment-message">Adding to #3 it is discovered that SHARE has had  sex offender/outstanding warrant checks done for FREE through the King County Sheriff\'s office for their Tent City 4 shelter on the Eastside.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8932211">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8932211" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8932211" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8932211">Vagrant</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8932211" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8932211" class="dsq-comment-message">In the case of SHARE, lies for sure, in the case of the Pastor, we can blame naive foolishness.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8933954">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8933954" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8933954" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8933954">Tired Dog</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8933954" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8933954" class="dsq-comment-message">The neighborhood is saying something very simple: a self-managed shelter in a vacant building in a residential neighborhood is not a good place to house sex offenders. The only way SHARE or the church will know if a resident has committed a sexual offense is if they check the resident\'s identification against the record of known sex offenders. Interviewing the resident is a meaningless check.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8938714">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8938714" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8938714" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8938714">Shane Dillon</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8938714" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8938714" class="dsq-comment-message">Basically, Share have to do a Sex Offender check if the shelter is out doors (ie. Tent Cities).<br><br>If the shelter is inside then, as long as they have the rule that nobody can be anywhere near the shelter outside its hours of operation.<br><br>My only question would be who would police it and who is ultimately responsible if something does go wrong.  I don\'t really like the quote \'the guys police themselves\' excuse.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-8940819">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-8940819" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-8940819" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-8940819">Neighbor</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-8940819" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-8940819" class="dsq-comment-message">"nobody can be anywhere near the shelter outside its hours of operation."<br><br>yes, they can wander in and out of the neighborhood.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 </ul>\
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	Dsq.Popup.showCookieMsgs();

	
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//       set when we are loaded again as the fbc_receiver.
//       In this case, we don't need the hidden container.

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	var fbName = document.getElementById('dsq-fbc-name');
	var fbPic = document.getElementById('dsq-fbc-profilepic');
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	var makeRpcServerName = function(opt_postId) {
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			return;
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	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

})();




