Re: Rallying cry for public-healthcare plan - Bellevue Reporter

pmasu21 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:22:10 -0000

Liberal Rhetoric...Bellevue reporter..you should know your audience, this is Bellevue not Seattle!!!

Wow 50 people at the rally!!! sounds like a real ground swell of support-:) You are right this is Evil Socialism vs Good Capitalism There were over 5 million Washington residence fighting against Evil SOCIALISM and WORKING for GOOD CAPITALISM who didnt show up for the rally! Who don't support Socialism. We will take the fight to the streets on our time. Not during our employers time. And we can rally against nationalized health care in a cost effective way. Patty Murray and her 50 friends show up for a rally-:) Now thats big news!

The 37th worst QUALITY of Healthcare in the developed world? what a destorted view you have. Baby Mortality rates doesnt show the quality of care in America and it certainly doesnt tell the whole story. Yes our GDP towards healthcare is higher and there are reasons for it. Almost without exception, countries with more income spend more on health care. In fact. health economists have discovered that 90 percent of the variation in, health care spending among developed countries is based on income alone This should give pause to anyone who believes the United States will significantly lower health care spending by adopting the system or institutions of some other country. Other reasons. US Admin cost for the cost of collecting private insurance premiums is counted as part of U.S. health care costs. while Nation health care admin costs are absorbed in the Government budgets. Research and development is high in America compared to other developed countries and that is included in our costs, yet other countries benefit from our R&D. Americans Drug problems, Babies born to mothers on drugs, Aids, babies with Aids, violent crimes are much higher than other developed countries like Canada Germany France etc. Plus our Military injuries and post war injuries cost are included. Teen pregnancy and abortions are the highest in America compared to other developed countries. B.C Canada and other Provinces contract with hospitals accros the borders to take patients. They can make a profit and avoid the outcry of long wait times for surgeries etc If you look at Canada over the last 20 years compared to the US, while their cost per capita are cheaper their health care growth rate has been the same.

Look its time to split this country and for sure this State in half. We will point South for this excercise. Those that want socialism and those that don't. Everybody who wants free enterprise and small government to the right (West), everyone who wants socialism and more government to the left (East). Obama is doing a terrific job??? Of what? creating historical debt that only 10% of Americans will be on the hook for, as well as bankrupt this country, socialism and unemployment! You want to " tax the greedy corporations" The same corporations that employ americans, create GDP and you invest in? WHAT?.. You want to TAX the corporations more So we can give it to the Government that is inefficiate, can't manage the most important program social security and only spends? Wake up people!. Who do you think pays for the Government jobs. Obama wants to tax carbon emissions on corporations, even though his own advisors have said it will do nothing in the next 100 yrs to lower the "politically hollywood" lets lower the earths climate temperature rallying cry. We are going to Tax Corporations Trillions on carbon emissions over the next 20 years for something that will have almost no effect on lowering carbon emissions and the climate, most experts say it will have less than a 1% effect in the nest 100 yrs!!! We could spend those trillions of dollars on infrastructure..creating jobs..But NO lets tax the corporations and lower employment on something that will have almost no effect except political motivation. This is a pure political move. I'm trying to be nice here and not call you a Liberal Moron..but its hard when you sound like one. Try and actually read books and understand the issues. Try and understand economics. You throw out words like "PENDEMIC and EPEDEMIC" for a theatrical response. Thats all show no substance. Show me one prosperous socialist country??? Our country will never be productive with socialism. Go to Canada and ask a canadia if they would prefer to be treated there or in the States. Try and get a simple MRI in Canada, it takes months. PLEASE TELL ME ONE SOCIALIST PROGRAM IN AMERICA THAT WORKS EFFICIENTLY???? IM WAITING....STILL HERE..WAITING....DID YOU GO SILENT ON ME?..NO SERIOUSLY I'M STILL WAITING.. Can you give me one Government program that works??? Nope!!!! because there is no incentive to do a great job! Tell me one Government program where you dont wait in lines??? great customer service????! Obama wants to tax corporations that dont offer Healthcare..What??? Thats not socialism? We live in a country where competition thrives. If you are a company that wants to compete and hire the best employees then you must have good benefits. If you are a small company trying to survive and be lean to grow, the government is going to tax you..oops not a tax but a FEE for not having health insurance for your employees..HELLO WAKE UP, THATS SOCIALISM!!! He wants to tax the so called rich AGAIN on this health care plan!. Whats is rich?? Tax Hollywood 70% and every multi billionare that feels guilty for being rich that supports this ridiculous "we have no way of paying for it health plan". Seriously if Liberal democrats wants this so bad, have them pay for it. The rest of the hard working 80 hour a week americans who WORK for a better life..I SAID WORK for a better life NOT HOPE for a better life..Well.. Please just leave us alone. We will be happy to split the country with you. Lets see a Family making 300k (Obamas magical Rich number) with the new administration by 2011 will pay over 50% in taxes..Taxes..not to charity anymore..not for goods and services but TAXES! yep that same family who finally paid their college loans off, who both had to work to have enough money to pay the loans off, that took the risk of owning a business, absorbing the debt and hiring employees. That worked so many hours that they needed a gardener, a house cleaner, leased a new car every three years, bought two new suits at Nordstroms every year for his job that demanded it, gave his kids 50 dollars a week for spending money. Now because of TAXES they decide they cant afford the gardener (who is now unemployed on unemployment), no house cleaner once a week (who is now unemployed on unemplyment), no new car ( salesmen now unemployed..on unemployment), kids take sack lunches instead of subway, no movies, which produces no summer jobs for kids etc. The same family who doesnt qualify for any stimulus money, loses tax breaks, can't have their kids qualify for student loans. Now we pay more TAXES to our ineffecient government. The same democratic Governor of Washington who said we had a surplus in the checking account. The same Governor YOU voted for because you thought having $100 in the bank was a rainy day fund even though you owed 10,000 dollars. Btw that would be 9,900 in debt..Gregoire didnt understand that math. YES you voted for her because you dont read and understand the issues. You voted for a President that was a senator who has no experience running anything, hell of a gamble, who is so far over his head its frightening. Yes I realize you love the new all-time most spending President in the history of our world Obama and all of his socialist bills. And now we want another socialist program!!!! Wow!
Now you want me to be more patient with Obama. Heck what more can he do an another 6 months. He sure stood up to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez and negotiated hard for us against Vladimir Putin. More importantly the reason you voted him in was how he has was going to change how Muslims and the Global world viewed us-:) Hows that working for you so far? But hey lets be more patient maybe he can spend even more money. It's not that I don't love my neighbors anymore but it's time for you to go.
Our nation has a long and proud history. Our country is about Freedom not FREEdumb. Our forefathers fought and died to preserve this right. Its fading fast. We are a country that doesnt agree on the same things or values anymore and its time for us to seperate and go our seperate ways.
The email below is funny but its also very accurate!

TO ALL- liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists
and Obama supporters, etc.

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course.
Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can divide up the country by landmass, each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure
our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can
effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, most of the cops, the NRA and the military.
You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel big enough to move all three of them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens.
We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC, and Hollywood ..
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal, and conservative patriots! If you do not agree, just hit delete.

Sincerely,
an American

Re: Rallying cry for public-healthcare plan - Bellevue Reporter

pmasu21 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:37:49 -0000

Yes this is Evil socialism vs Good capitalism. nationaized health care will be a train wreck. Our Government is not capable of running an effecient lowcost top care social program. Please educate yourself below and sign the petitions. There is a ground swell of support AGAINST Nationalized health care and the costs it brings. More important educate yourself.

Friends -

Thanks for being a part of the team. In one month, over 330,000 people have signed saying no, to government health care! We are now receiving between 15,000 - 20,000 signatures every day. We ask each of you to reach out to at least three friends this weekend, as time is of the essence. With your help we will have 1 million-plus signers to deliver the petition to the Congressional leaders and the White House. http://www.freeourhealthcar...

Per your request, for our 437 Tea Party Patriot chapter partners, we have prepared a health care power-point presentation with teacher's notes for your health care day, on Friday, July 17th. Every one of you can be an expert on free-market health care! http://actionpack.ncpa.org/ Don't forget to ask everyone to sign the petition, and have their voices heard. http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/he... Remember to return the completed petitions to us!

We are in the battle of our lives. President Obama and Congress want to force employers to pay for health insurance reform. Although the details aren't completely settled yet, the idea is to create a new federal mandate that would force employers to provide health insurance for their employees - or pay a penalty tax to the government. Of course, they don't actually use the dirty words "tax" or "mandate", rather the legislation uses words like "shared responsibility" and "contributions" to the government. Of special note, members of Congress, are going to vote for you and me to have a government-run plan, but not going to join us - they are going to keep their current taxpayer-funded plan.

If that doesn't get your attention, this will! The government is about to force employers to pay for employees' health insurance with an average cost of $12,000 per employee per year or $6.00 per hour. This new health care mandate will effectively increase the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $13.25 per hour. There will be massive layoffs and entire industries who employ hourly employees are at risk. This is a direct hit to small businesses, the job creating sector of our economy!

This is truly a partnership! If you have not signed, please do so! If you have signed, forward the petition to three friends who have not signed and let's move those numbers. www.freeourhealthcarenow.com You can keep track of our progress on our website www.ncpa.org - just click on the ticker link under the Eagle. 500,000 - 1 million, here we come! We are fighting for our freedom!

Jeanette Nordstrom
National Center for Policy Analysis

Learning / Teaching Health Care Reform

“Facts about Nationalized Health Care”
“Understanding Health Care Reform” PowerPoint Presentation (pdf)
“Understanding Health Care Reform” PowerPoint Presentation with teachers notes (pdf)
Ten Steps to a Patient-Friendly Health Care System
Congressional Testimony by Dr. John C. Goodman, NCPA President & CEO and Kellye Wright Fellow

Re: Rallying cry for public-healthcare plan - Bellevue Reporter

pmasu21 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:46:23 -0000

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